Re: [MBZ] home made 124 pickiup

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:37 PM,  wrote:

>  Without
> some heavy strengthening underneath, the thing can't carry a load without
> breaking in two. After all, it's a unit body.
>
> So were the old Rabbit pickups, and the double-cab Type IIs that were sold
everywhere but the USA.  Wonder what VW did to reinforce those?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] home made 124 pickiup

[RELNGSON]

> .Thinking about it I wonder what they did to stiffen the body, 
> remember
> when MB cut the roof off a C124 to create the A124, they spend a lot of
> time and money to stiffen the body
> 
I wondered how long it would take before somebody brought this up. Without 
some heavy strengthening underneath, the thing can't carry a load without 
breaking in two. After all, it's a unit body.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Rich Thomas]

Well, yeah, that is correct, but if TSHTF how long would it take the 
gummint to nationalize "our" oil.  Or put all kinds of controls on 
exports, imports, etc etc, you know, "for the common good"?


The Nobel Prize winner (not the Peace Prize, the chemistry or physics) 
Chu says the gummint's plan is to force us all to drive electric cars 
powered by the sun anyway.  For a smart guy, he should probably not let 
out those "secrets."


--R

On 2/29/12 9:25 PM, OK Don wrote:

There's that fallacy again - it's not "our" oil. It's the oil company's,
and they'll do with it what they like, sell it where they like, and buy
crude where they like. Unless we nationalize oil (Saudi Arabia and
Venezuela), it's not ours to claim. The oil companies have no national
interests - they're multi-national.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Rich Thomas<
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>  wrote:


Right now the US is exporting a lot of refined fuel to Yurp and elsewhere,
more than we are consuming?

One might also think it is better to use up other countries' crude before
using so much of ours, considering the costs of doing so of course.  Recent
discoveries suggest the US has enough to serve our needs for some time.

--R





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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Gerry Archer]

This seems to be a fairly accurate description of the pipeline and it's effects:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-01/keystone-oil-pipeline-seen-raising-gas-prices-in-midwest-energy.html
 

The Economist wrote:
"The final section of the pipeline would have taken oil from Cushing, Oklahoma, 
to the Gulf coast, helping to alleviate a persistent price differential between 
Brent crude, the global benchmark oil, and West Texas Intermediate. Cushing, 
where most American oil is delivered is landlocked. There is not nearly enough 
pipeline capacity to the Gulf where global markets set prices. Unfortunately 
for American drivers, petrol (gasoline) is globally traded. The upshot is that 
local refiners can buy cheap Cushing crude and sell petrol at dearer global 
prices."
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/01/keystone-xl 

That part of the pipeline has been approved.
Gerry

From: "Curt Raymond" 
> As of today there is no approved route through Nebraska. How could Obama 
> approve a pipeline where the route is unknown? Are we supposed to take the 
> oil companies word for it?
> -Curt
> 
> From: Rich Thomas 
> They are going to mine it anyway, and sell it to the Chinese, so whether 
> it is dirty or whatever is not relevant to the argument.  The Canadians 
> are not so tied up in the fringe issue at this time.
> 
> I don't know if the pipeline will be above ground or below ground 
> through Nebraska (have not seen the design).  If it is below ground it 
> is basically "out of sight, out of mind."  There are thousands of miles 
> of pipelines (hundreds of thousands in the US I think) and most of them 
> are underground, and basically unnoticeable.  I observed a large 
> pipeline being laid in Texas (probably 24" or maybe bigger, hard to tell 
> from the road) and once they finished a section and back-filled it, 
> there was no evidence it was even there, save the occasional pump 
> station every mile or few.  And there are even pipelines in 
> Massachusetts and the sky has not fallen there yet (well, that is 
> debatable, but you know what I mean...).
> 
> The arguments against the pipeline (not the oil) are basically 
> political, depending on where you fall on the spectrum, and are mostly 
> unfounded based on anecdotal reality or any objective assessments.  
> Keystone is going to build the pipeline (at least parts of it) anyway, 
> the issue is the connection across the border, which for some reason the 
> Dept of State has weighed in on, and maybe the Nebraska route aspects 
> (which was approved, environmentally, already).  The oil seems to be 
> fairly nasty stuff, but given it is going to be produced anyway, might 
> as well get the benefit for the US economy.
> 
> The whole thing is a political treat tossed to Obama's enviro base (at 
> the expense of the union base that would build the pipeline), and after 
> the election, either way it goes, the pipeline will be approved, actual 
> private-sector and privately-funded jobs will obtain, and life will go 
> on.  Nothing more complicated than that.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 2/29/12 1:02 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip mine 
>> it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly great 
>> stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...
>>
>> Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the pipeline 
>> people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain) if they 
>> didn't want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of Nebraska 
>> Keystone XL just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our president 
>> is NOT in the wrong in rejecting the proposal.
>>
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?

[Hendrik and Fay]

I think what we have to remember here is that the A124 is going to be 
the most collectible of the 124 chassis.
Unless there is a major problem with this car it looks like a good buy 
and what can be termed a rolling restoration.
Also these cars where designed to be more weekend cruisers in sunny 
climates, as opposed to daily drivers in snow.


Hendrik
who is fiddling with a denso starter

On 27/02/12 09:01, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


Craig wrote:


On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:42:25 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:

  
http://swmi.craigslist.org/**cto/2839200568.html
Seems a tad expensive.


Most sellers still want $12k for a nice one. (which might be a better deal
than
$5k for a shabby one)



I've never seen a 124 cabriolet advertised for less than five digits.  That
red one looks like the kind of thing the guys on the British TV show
"Wheeler Dealers" would snap up, do a little work on, and flip for twice
what they paid.

If I had the cash I'd be asking Mitch to do a PPI for me and probably be
right out there on the next plane.

OTOH I've always found the idea of owning a convertible more exciting than
the reality.  Keeping the top clean is no fun, and without constantly
putting the top up and down every time you stop somewhere, you can't really
use one as a daily driver.  My needs for open-air motoring are in practice
more than satisfied by sunroofs and motorcycles.

Alex





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[MBZ] 240D Update

[Kevin Kraly]

I found some things that were better than expected, and a couple things that 
were a bit worse.  The sway bar link isn’t broken.  The dragging sound was the 
exhaust pipe rubbing on the axle.  As a temporary repair, I replaced the 
missing donut with a couple zip ties until I get the parts.  The bad part was 
when I jacked up the left front to switch out the badly worn tire with the much 
better spare.  This was when I found a bit of rot under the jack point, same 
situation on the other side.  The rocker panels and floorboards seem ok, but as 
you go under the car, there’s rot in the whole corner on both sides just behind 
the wheelwells.  This isn’t turning out to be such a good car after all.  I’ll 
probably end up getting my money back out of it and move on.

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel the rusty Diesel 
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[OK Don]

There's that fallacy again - it's not "our" oil. It's the oil company's,
and they'll do with it what they like, sell it where they like, and buy
crude where they like. Unless we nationalize oil (Saudi Arabia and
Venezuela), it's not ours to claim. The oil companies have no national
interests - they're multi-national.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Right now the US is exporting a lot of refined fuel to Yurp and elsewhere,
> more than we are consuming?
>
> One might also think it is better to use up other countries' crude before
> using so much of ours, considering the costs of doing so of course.  Recent
> discoveries suggest the US has enough to serve our needs for some time.
>
> --R
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
> OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Mountain Man]

Scott wrote:
> Question:  What do you call a place that exports raw materials and imports
> finished goods?
> Answer: A colony.

Nice.
So, who's colony are we? - catch that --R?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[Hendrik and Fay]

Thinking about it I wonder what they did to stiffen the body, remember 
when MB cut the roof off a C124 to create the A124, they spend a lot of 
time and money to stiffen the body.


Hendrik
whose body sometimes get stiff

On 01/03/12 10:00, Michael Canfield wrote:

Add 4matic and it could be upscale competition for the Subaru Brat
whadyacallit/Outback thing.  I like it.  Looks pretty sharp.

Mike




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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Scott Ritchey]

Question:  What do you call a place that exports raw materials and imports
finished goods?
Answer: A colony.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:39 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

Worldwide lack of refineries is the problem right now entirely, theres
actually a surplus of oil (although that doesn't make much sense with
prices, blame that on speculators) and a shortage of refined product.

I'm surprised the Chinese haven't set up a mega-refinery yet. Buy our raw
material and sell us finished product

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:58:47 -0800
From: clay monroe 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas
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But why are we shipping not our oil as well as our oil from far north all
the way to the Gulf?  We should build refineries up north, turn the stuff to
useful fuel.  Home use would lower our price at the pump, then whatzizname
would get a free ride back to the whitehouse.

Making the Canadians build a pipeline to the Pacific on their own land to
supply china makes more sense, than letting the chinese suckle at our gulf
ports.  All the tar sand juice is not doing us any good, so kill the
pipelines unless half the goo goes to our own fuel needs and not to feed the
nations who will one day overtake us.


clay 

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers

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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Rich Thomas]

I think that stuff was going to refineries and chem plants in Texas, in 
Freeport and Baytown, to turn into chemicals (and maybe some fuels) that 
could then be shipped out to wherever as a "value-added" product.  There 
is a HUGE (I think the world's largest) chem plant down there, it is 
pretty amazing.  There is some aspect having to do with the chemistry of 
the crude and how easy it is to make various things, I read about it a 
while ago in the WSJ but it has been purged from my stack.


Right now the US is exporting a lot of refined fuel to Yurp and 
elsewhere, more than we are consuming?


One might also think it is better to use up other countries' crude 
before using so much of ours, considering the costs of doing so of 
course.  Recent discoveries suggest the US has enough to serve our needs 
for some time.


--R

On 2/29/12 2:58 PM, clay monroe wrote:

But why are we shipping not our oil as well as our oil from far north all the 
way to the Gulf?  We should build refineries up north, turn the stuff to useful 
fuel.  Home use would lower our price at the pump, then whatzizname would get a 
free ride back to the whitehouse.

Making the Canadians build a pipeline to the Pacific on their own land to 
supply china makes more sense, than letting the chinese suckle at our gulf 
ports.  All the tar sand juice is not doing us any good, so kill the pipelines 
unless half the goo goes to our own fuel needs and not to feed the nations who 
will one day overtake us.


clay

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers






On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip mine 
it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly great 
stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...

Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the pipeline 
people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain) if they didn't 
want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of Nebraska Keystone XL 
just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our president is NOT in the 
wrong in rejecting the proposal.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:33:39 -0500
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Mountain Man  writes:


Stray question regarding oil refining.
I think I have heard stories lately about the pipeline for the tar
sand oil from Canada.  Are they saying this oil is really dirty to
refine?

I think in the past it was too expensive to refine, maybe in part
because it's "dirty" compared to more traditional crude oil.  With
prices where they are now, that has changed and suddenly extraction and
refining of oil from shale and tar sands is profitable.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[Michael Canfield]

Add 4matic and it could be upscale competition for the Subaru Brat
whadyacallit/Outback thing.  I like it.  Looks pretty sharp.

Mike
On Feb 29, 2012 5:53 PM, "Hendrik and Fay"  wrote:

> I seem to recall they made some in South Africa.
> Regarding the chopped up S124, looks like a good job and even has the rear
> window wiper but what is the point? A proper S124 can carry a fair bit of
> stuff if the seats are down plus can carry up to 7 people when required.
> The only advantage I can see is the ability to carry a BBQ without
> dismantling.
>
> Hendrik
> with a proper S124 and an Izuzu/Holden dual cab ute
>
> On 01/03/12 01:59, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Rich 
>> Thomas>
>>  writes:
>>
>>  I think I saw this thing a few months back
>>> http://charleston.craigslist.**org/cto/2875924296.html
>>>
>>> Kinda interesting, just the thing for mama to go to the garden shop
>>> in.
>>>
>> I saw a similar conversion of a W110 a while ago.  Not sure if it was an
>> aftermarket or "official" (e.g. maybe by Binz?) conversion.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:


Anyway, for some bizarre reason, the CFR has been the standard used by nearly 
every refinery in the world to measure and test the octane of the fuels they 
produce. You would think by now that there would be some sort of means of doing 
this in a lab or something


And that would be the difference between the research octane number and the 
motor octane number. In europe, I believe they just pay attention to the RON, 
over hear we do the MON and RON and take the average of the two.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[G Mann]

Whow, what a thing of beauty that must have been back in 1906.

Follows my point exactly. The refinery business is in the dark ages, has
been kept in the dark ages, and EPA and others will not embrace anything
"new and approved" because getting anything "approved" means running a
gauntlet through government agencies and government regulations and lawyers.

All at your expense, of course. Multiply that single item to test octane
rating by 1000 for each step in the refinery process, add constant
certification charges, fines, fees, documentation, union labor problems,
and it's enough to make you want to go buy a congressman.

Grant...
AZ...

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Here's an interesting story relative to refineries and the technology they
> use:
>
> In 1998 I was RIFF'ed out of a position.  I was searching for something
> new and got a call from a fellow I knew at Waukesha Engine, in where else,
> but Waukesha, WI.
>
> Seems that Waukesha has a obscure little division of the company that has
> been a cash cow for decades. This division builds the "gold" standard of
> octane test devices called the "CFR".
>
> The CFR is a single cylinder engine that has variable compression by means
> of a cylinder arrangement that literally "screws" up or down to change the
> compression ratio.  When refineries crack a batch of oil and want to test
> the octane of the fuel coming out of the towers, they pull a sample and put
> it into the CFR, which is run while increasing the compression until the
> engine knocks.  There are mechanical (now digital) knock sensors in the
> cylinder head that trigger the instrumentation and give a corresponding
> reference to the octane of the test sample.
>
> If you saw one of these things you would think you had arrived at an old
> agricultural engine expo.  Here is a picture of a current production unit -
> looks like modern technology, doesn't it?
>
>
> http://www.dresserwaukesha.com/images/CFR_Downloads/f1f2_octane_unit_hires.tif
>
> Anyway, for some bizarre reason, the CFR has been the standard used by
> nearly every refinery in the world to measure and test the octane of the
> fuels they produce. You would think by now that there would be some sort of
> means of doing this in a lab or something
>
> At the time they said a basic unit (still built by hand in Waukesha's
> factory) was in the range of $250,000.  Every one of them had to have an
> annual support contract, which kept three technicians busy throughout the
> world year 'round.
>
> I was intrigued, but had recently come off of eight years of heavy travel
> and had no interest in sitting in a plane for a living, so I passed.
>
> Looks like GE has purchased Waukesha, or at least this division, as a
> quick Google search ends up on a GE sponsored page with the CFR.
>
> Dan
>
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:16 PM, G Mann wrote:
>
> > I agree with you, new refineries need to be built up north. Problem is,
> no
> > new refinery has been built in past 25 years because the EPA and the Eco
> > terrorist greenies simply have not allowed it.
> >
> > Now refineries are getting old, are using old tech systems, and are not
> > capable of taking on new supplies with major rework, which is ALSO denied
> > by EPA, CARB, Air Quality, and every other 3 letter government agency
> known
> > to man.
> >
> > If you want cheap gas at the pumps, fire all these folks and arrest the
> > Eco-terrorist, then build new refineries like Ford built model T cars.
> >
> > Until then, we all "suck it up" and pay,,, dearly.
> >
> > Grant...
> > AZ
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[Hendrik and Fay]

I seem to recall they made some in South Africa.
Regarding the chopped up S124, looks like a good job and even has the 
rear window wiper but what is the point? A proper S124 can carry a fair 
bit of stuff if the seats are down plus can carry up to 7 people when 
required.
The only advantage I can see is the ability to carry a BBQ without 
dismantling.


Hendrik
with a proper S124 and an Izuzu/Holden dual cab ute

On 01/03/12 01:59, Allan Streib wrote:

Rich Thomas  writes:


I think I saw this thing a few months back
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2875924296.html

Kinda interesting, just the thing for mama to go to the garden shop
in.

I saw a similar conversion of a W110 a while ago.  Not sure if it was an
aftermarket or "official" (e.g. maybe by Binz?) conversion.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] OT "very little rust on the body" -- CL Idiot

[Randy Bennell]

On 29/02/2012 4:33 PM, Tim C wrote:

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

On 29/02/2012 1:53 PM, Tim C wrote:

On Feb 29, 2012 2:30 PM, "Randy Bennell"wrote:


If it truly will take "very little" then I suggest they should do that so

they can advertise it as "running".
In fairness you never know exactly what the very little is, unless you
really dig into it, in which case you are investing a lot of time in a
project for which you have no interest.  The lack of interest is the
primary killer of my cars, if I'm being honest.

Best,
Tim
Fewer cars than Snook, does that mean I have a longer attention span?
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Yeah BUT - then don't say it won't take much. If you have no bloody idea
then just leave it alone. If you are sure it is "very little" then just
bloody do it.

There are only a "few small things" on the 300D, too, that I want to
do, eventually.  Will they get done?  Most likely, some of them will.
:)

However your point is well taken, and when I try to sell my trash on
CL I do tell folks that it's trash and why, or that I don't know, or I
get it straight beforehand.  I'm just saying I can see why some people
might do things differently given different requirements on their time
and/or wallet.

Best,
-Tim


Oh yeah. I understand why people don't do it. My poor old 300D has been 
waiting (patiently I hope) for me to do some work on it.



Randy

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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Dan Penoff]

Here's an interesting story relative to refineries and the technology they use:

In 1998 I was RIFF'ed out of a position.  I was searching for something new and 
got a call from a fellow I knew at Waukesha Engine, in where else, but 
Waukesha, WI.

Seems that Waukesha has a obscure little division of the company that has been 
a cash cow for decades. This division builds the "gold" standard of octane test 
devices called the "CFR".

The CFR is a single cylinder engine that has variable compression by means of a 
cylinder arrangement that literally "screws" up or down to change the 
compression ratio.  When refineries crack a batch of oil and want to test the 
octane of the fuel coming out of the towers, they pull a sample and put it into 
the CFR, which is run while increasing the compression until the engine knocks. 
 There are mechanical (now digital) knock sensors in the cylinder head that 
trigger the instrumentation and give a corresponding reference to the octane of 
the test sample.

If you saw one of these things you would think you had arrived at an old 
agricultural engine expo.  Here is a picture of a current production unit - 
looks like modern technology, doesn't it?

http://www.dresserwaukesha.com/images/CFR_Downloads/f1f2_octane_unit_hires.tif

Anyway, for some bizarre reason, the CFR has been the standard used by nearly 
every refinery in the world to measure and test the octane of the fuels they 
produce. You would think by now that there would be some sort of means of doing 
this in a lab or something

At the time they said a basic unit (still built by hand in Waukesha's factory) 
was in the range of $250,000.  Every one of them had to have an annual support 
contract, which kept three technicians busy throughout the world year 'round.

I was intrigued, but had recently come off of eight years of heavy travel and 
had no interest in sitting in a plane for a living, so I passed.

Looks like GE has purchased Waukesha, or at least this division, as a quick 
Google search ends up on a GE sponsored page with the CFR.

Dan

On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:16 PM, G Mann wrote:

> I agree with you, new refineries need to be built up north. Problem is, no
> new refinery has been built in past 25 years because the EPA and the Eco
> terrorist greenies simply have not allowed it.
> 
> Now refineries are getting old, are using old tech systems, and are not
> capable of taking on new supplies with major rework, which is ALSO denied
> by EPA, CARB, Air Quality, and every other 3 letter government agency known
> to man.
> 
> If you want cheap gas at the pumps, fire all these folks and arrest the
> Eco-terrorist, then build new refineries like Ford built model T cars.
> 
> Until then, we all "suck it up" and pay,,, dearly.
> 
> Grant...
> AZ
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT "very little rust on the body" -- CL Idiot

[Tim C]

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> On 29/02/2012 1:53 PM, Tim C wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 29, 2012 2:30 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>>
>>> If it truly will take "very little" then I suggest they should do that so
>>
>> they can advertise it as "running".
>> In fairness you never know exactly what the very little is, unless you
>> really dig into it, in which case you are investing a lot of time in a
>> project for which you have no interest.  The lack of interest is the
>> primary killer of my cars, if I'm being honest.
>>
>> Best,
>> Tim
>> Fewer cars than Snook, does that mean I have a longer attention span?
>> ___
>>
> Yeah BUT - then don't say it won't take much. If you have no bloody idea
> then just leave it alone. If you are sure it is "very little" then just
> bloody do it.

There are only a "few small things" on the 300D, too, that I want to
do, eventually.  Will they get done?  Most likely, some of them will.
:)

However your point is well taken, and when I try to sell my trash on
CL I do tell folks that it's trash and why, or that I don't know, or I
get it straight beforehand.  I'm just saying I can see why some people
might do things differently given different requirements on their time
and/or wallet.

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[G Mann]

I agree with you, new refineries need to be built up north. Problem is, no
new refinery has been built in past 25 years because the EPA and the Eco
terrorist greenies simply have not allowed it.

Now refineries are getting old, are using old tech systems, and are not
capable of taking on new supplies with major rework, which is ALSO denied
by EPA, CARB, Air Quality, and every other 3 letter government agency known
to man.

If you want cheap gas at the pumps, fire all these folks and arrest the
Eco-terrorist, then build new refineries like Ford built model T cars.

Until then, we all "suck it up" and pay,,, dearly.

Grant...
AZ


On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> But why are we shipping not our oil as well as our oil from far north all
> the way to the Gulf?  We should build refineries up north, turn the stuff
> to useful fuel.  Home use would lower our price at the pump, then
> whatzizname would get a free ride back to the whitehouse.
>
> Making the Canadians build a pipeline to the Pacific on their own land to
> supply china makes more sense, than letting the chinese suckle at our gulf
> ports.  All the tar sand juice is not doing us any good, so kill the
> pipelines unless half the goo goes to our own fuel needs and not to feed
> the nations who will one day overtake us.
>
>
> clay
>
> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> > Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip
> mine it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly
> great stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...
> >
> > Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the
> pipeline people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain)
> if they didn't want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of
> Nebraska Keystone XL just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our
> president is NOT in the wrong in rejecting the proposal.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:33:39 -0500
> > From: Allan Streib 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Mountain Man  writes:
> >
> >> Stray question regarding oil refining.
> >> I think I have heard stories lately about the pipeline for the tar
> >> sand oil from Canada.  Are they saying this oil is really dirty to
> >> refine?
> >
> > I think in the past it was too expensive to refine, maybe in part
> > because it's "dirty" compared to more traditional crude oil.  With
> > prices where they are now, that has changed and suddenly extraction and
> > refining of oil from shale and tar sands is profitable.
> >
> > Allan
> > --
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> > 1979 300SD
> >
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Dan Penoff]

They have already done the preliminary surveys for the proposed routes.

Ted Turner's ranch was close to one of the proposed routes, do he got involved 
and was raising Cain about it for some time.

Dan


On Feb 29, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> As of today there is no approved route through Nebraska. How could Obama 
> approve a pipeline where the route is unknown? Are we supposed to take the 
> oil companies word for it?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:40:11 -0500
> From: Rich Thomas 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas
> Message-ID: <4f4e710b.5060...@constructivity.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> They are going to mine it anyway, and sell it to the Chinese, so whether 
> it is dirty or whatever is not relevant to the argument.  The Canadians 
> are not so tied up in the fringe issue at this time.
> 
> I don't know if the pipeline will be above ground or below ground 
> through Nebraska (have not seen the design).  If it is below ground it 
> is basically "out of sight, out of mind."  There are thousands of miles 
> of pipelines (hundreds of thousands in the US I think) and most of them 
> are underground, and basically unnoticeable.  I observed a large 
> pipeline being laid in Texas (probably 24" or maybe bigger, hard to tell 
> from the road) and once they finished a section and back-filled it, 
> there was no evidence it was even there, save the occasional pump 
> station every mile or few.  And there are even pipelines in 
> Massachusetts and the sky has not fallen there yet (well, that is 
> debatable, but you know what I mean...).
> 
> The arguments against the pipeline (not the oil) are basically 
> political, depending on where you fall on the spectrum, and are mostly 
> unfounded based on anecdotal reality or any objective assessments.  
> Keystone is going to build the pipeline (at least parts of it) anyway, 
> the issue is the connection across the border, which for some reason the 
> Dept of State has weighed in on, and maybe the Nebraska route aspects 
> (which was approved, environmentally, already).  The oil seems to be 
> fairly nasty stuff, but given it is going to be produced anyway, might 
> as well get the benefit for the US economy.
> 
> The whole thing is a political treat tossed to Obama's enviro base (at 
> the expense of the union base that would build the pipeline), and after 
> the election, either way it goes, the pipeline will be approved, actual 
> private-sector and privately-funded jobs will obtain, and life will go 
> on.  Nothing more complicated than that.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 2/29/12 1:02 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip mine 
>> it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly great 
>> stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...
>> 
>> Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the pipeline 
>> people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain) if they 
>> didn't want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of Nebraska 
>> Keystone XL just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our president 
>> is NOT in the wrong in rejecting the proposal.
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[Hendrik and Fay]

I came across that bulletin whilst searching for the problem and it 
makes no difference cleaning it or using a bit of paper.

The trackpad will work fine for 10-20 seconds and then go wonky.

In regards to your rednecks, they say the smaller the mind the bigger 
the attitude.
The way I see it there is a small minority of nutjobs in every religion 
that gets the press.


I did a job for a Muslim school up north a while back and come 2 o clock 
I had to be quiet for their daily prayer.


Hendrik
who is not a nutjob, well I think so anyway

On 29/02/12 23:09, Dan Penoff wrote:

Look at this:

Http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1449

That's what I have found so far. I will continue to look in GSX for you tonight.

Sorry I didn't look sooner, but I had a School Board meeting last night and 
didn't get home until late. Damned rednecks tied up the public comment part 
with their diatribes against Muslims, who, in their small minds, are all 
terrorists...

Background: a local Muslim group was invited to speak to some AP World Religion 
classes, and some of the tiny minded locals convinced themselves that we were 
promoting everything from terrorism to Sharia law.

Oy.

I was very impressed with the representatives of the local Muslim community who 
came out to defend themselves. They did a great job in doing so, and with 
little or no emotion, just facts.

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] OT "very little rust on the body" -- CL Idiot

[Dan Penoff]

I am always leery of these sorts of descriptions for just that reason. If it 
just needs a "little TLC", then what's so difficult about doing it yourself so 
you can net more out of the sale?

I lump this in with real estate descriptions, like "handyman's special", for 
example.

Dan

On Feb 29, 2012, at 3:46 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Zackly.
> 
> Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[WILTON]

Reconfirms:  Innovation is limited only by man's imagination.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast



On 29/02/2012 2:59 PM, WILTON wrote:
My trailer is not flashy, but it looks good and gets many comments such 
as, "That's the only Mercedes trailer I've ever seen; where'd you get 
that?" Well, its made from the cargo bed of a '37, '38 or so Ford pickup. 
I installed new springs, axle, wheels and the MB wheel covers 'bout 15 
years ago.  I usually paint it to match color of its tow car, but I was 
reluctant to paint it arctic white like the current tow car, '87 300D, so 
I painted it burgundy to match the car interior and the thin striping 
down each side.


Wilton




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Hey Wilton

You need some new fenders for your trailer - like this.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Curt Raymond]

Worldwide lack of refineries is the problem right now entirely, theres actually 
a surplus of oil (although that doesn't make much sense with prices, blame that 
on speculators) and a shortage of refined product.

I'm surprised the Chinese haven't set up a mega-refinery yet. Buy our raw 
material and sell us finished product

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:58:47 -0800
From: clay monroe 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas
Message-ID: <4b055d70-6920-4ed6-8fb7-228685722...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

But why are we shipping not our oil as well as our oil from far north all the 
way to the Gulf?  We should build refineries up north, turn the stuff to useful 
fuel.  Home use would lower our price at the pump, then whatzizname would get a 
free ride back to the whitehouse.

Making the Canadians build a pipeline to the Pacific on their own land to 
supply china makes more sense, than letting the chinese suckle at our gulf 
ports.  All the tar sand juice is not doing us any good, so kill the pipelines 
unless half the goo goes to our own fuel needs and not to feed the nations who 
will one day overtake us.


clay 

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Curt Raymond]

As of today there is no approved route through Nebraska. How could Obama 
approve a pipeline where the route is unknown? Are we supposed to take the oil 
companies word for it?

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:40:11 -0500
From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas
Message-ID: <4f4e710b.5060...@constructivity.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

They are going to mine it anyway, and sell it to the Chinese, so whether 
it is dirty or whatever is not relevant to the argument.  The Canadians 
are not so tied up in the fringe issue at this time.

I don't know if the pipeline will be above ground or below ground 
through Nebraska (have not seen the design).  If it is below ground it 
is basically "out of sight, out of mind."  There are thousands of miles 
of pipelines (hundreds of thousands in the US I think) and most of them 
are underground, and basically unnoticeable.  I observed a large 
pipeline being laid in Texas (probably 24" or maybe bigger, hard to tell 
from the road) and once they finished a section and back-filled it, 
there was no evidence it was even there, save the occasional pump 
station every mile or few.  And there are even pipelines in 
Massachusetts and the sky has not fallen there yet (well, that is 
debatable, but you know what I mean...).

The arguments against the pipeline (not the oil) are basically 
political, depending on where you fall on the spectrum, and are mostly 
unfounded based on anecdotal reality or any objective assessments.  
Keystone is going to build the pipeline (at least parts of it) anyway, 
the issue is the connection across the border, which for some reason the 
Dept of State has weighed in on, and maybe the Nebraska route aspects 
(which was approved, environmentally, already).  The oil seems to be 
fairly nasty stuff, but given it is going to be produced anyway, might 
as well get the benefit for the US economy.

The whole thing is a political treat tossed to Obama's enviro base (at 
the expense of the union base that would build the pipeline), and after 
the election, either way it goes, the pipeline will be approved, actual 
private-sector and privately-funded jobs will obtain, and life will go 
on.  Nothing more complicated than that.

--R

On 2/29/12 1:02 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip mine 
> it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly great 
> stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...
>
> Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the pipeline 
> people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain) if they 
> didn't want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of Nebraska 
> Keystone XL just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our president is 
> NOT in the wrong in rejecting the proposal.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] viking range

[Curt Raymond]

16ga seems very thick for such a thing. Seems like 20 or 24 would be just fine 
if available.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:40:05 -0500
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] viking range
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After a busy couple of weeks, got some time to get the range installed.



I also want to find a piece of stainless steel for a backsplash.  Needs to be 
48" x 24" roughly.  I inquired at the local sheet-metal shop and they would 
want over $100 for 16ga, grade "B" finish.  Need to get creative here.



Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[Randy Bennell]

On 29/02/2012 2:59 PM, WILTON wrote:
My trailer is not flashy, but it looks good and gets many comments 
such as, "That's the only Mercedes trailer I've ever seen; where'd you 
get that?" Well, its made from the cargo bed of a '37, '38 or so Ford 
pickup.  I installed new springs, axle, wheels and the MB wheel covers 
'bout 15 years ago.  I usually paint it to match color of its tow car, 
but I was reluctant to paint it arctic white like the current tow car, 
'87 300D, so I painted it burgundy to match the car interior and the 
thin striping down each side.


Wilton




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Hey Wilton

You need some new fenders for your trailer - like this.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT "very little rust on the body" -- CL Idiot

[Randy Bennell]

On 29/02/2012 1:53 PM, Tim C wrote:

On Feb 29, 2012 2:30 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

If it truly will take "very little" then I suggest they should do that so

they can advertise it as "running".
In fairness you never know exactly what the very little is, unless you
really dig into it, in which case you are investing a lot of time in a
project for which you have no interest.  The lack of interest is the
primary killer of my cars, if I'm being honest.

Best,
Tim
Fewer cars than Snook, does that mean I have a longer attention span?
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Yeah BUT - then don't say it won't take much. If you have no bloody idea 
then just leave it alone. If you are sure it is "very little" then just 
bloody do it.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[WILTON]

My trailer is not flashy, but it looks good and gets many comments such as, 
"That's the only Mercedes trailer I've ever seen; where'd you get that?" 
Well, its made from the cargo bed of a '37, '38 or so Ford pickup.  I 
installed new springs, axle, wheels and the MB wheel covers 'bout 15 years 
ago.  I usually paint it to match color of its tow car, but I was reluctant 
to paint it arctic white like the current tow car, '87 300D, so I painted it 
burgundy to match the car interior and the thin striping down each side.


Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast



Rich Thomas wrote:



I think I saw this thing a few months back
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2875924296.html

Kinda interesting, just the thing for mama to go to the garden
shop in.


From the one, distant photo it looks pretty good.  I think I see
hinges above the rear glass, so maybe the glass is actually a
hatch.

I still think for my lifestyle a truck bed needs to be on a
truck.  For light-duty, open bed hauling a trailer makes a lot
more sense - though a lot less flashy.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT "very little rust on the body" -- CL Idiot

[WILTON]

Zackly.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "very little rust on the body" -- CL Idiot



On 29/02/2012 7:13 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

Randy Bennell  writes:


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2859638670.html

This one is sort of interesting. I always wonder when people say "it
should run" or "it needs very little to repair" etc, why they don't
just fix it before they advertise it if that is the case.

In this case, it's likely because they've lost interest or have no
interest in a restoration project.  Also a car restoration project
(which this one is) is almost certainly a money-loser on pure financial
terms.  If you want a restored classic, buy one that's already done and
you're money ahead.

In the general case, repair or (especially) catching up on deferred
maintenance will cost more than it will add to the value of the car.  So
many sellers would rather sell as-is than spend money they won't be able
to recoup.

Allan

I think you missed my point. I was not suggesting that they should 
restore before selling it. The ad says something like " the motor is not 
seized and it should take very little to get it running".
If it truly will take "very little" then I suggest they should do that 
so they can advertise it as "running".


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] A clean saw chain

[Tim C]

On Feb 28, 2012 11:03 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> worked and I was keeping it to do such things, but then gave it to
someone whose dw died.

"Oh, I have an extra dishwasher in the garage.  I've been using it to wash
oil off engine parts and clean the varmints I poison, but it would really
be great in your kitchen."

Which reminds me, I noticed I still have RAM on my desk, from which I
sumrise I never sent it to you.  Will try to dig up one of those envelope
things tonight or tomorrow.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[Fmiser]

> Rich Thomas wrote:

> I think I saw this thing a few months back   
> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2875924296.html
> 
> Kinda interesting, just the thing for mama to go to the garden
> shop in.

>From the one, distant photo it looks pretty good.  I think I see
hinges above the rear glass, so maybe the glass is actually a
hatch. 

I still think for my lifestyle a truck bed needs to be on a
truck.  For light-duty, open bed hauling a trailer makes a lot
more sense - though a lot less flashy.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Dan Penoff]

The original plan was to run this pipeline to the Pacific coast of Canada, but 
the environmentalists in Canada are powerful enough that they were able to 
quash it.

This is why they turned to the south and looked for the closest port

There is an existing portion of the pipeline in Canada, and it's been managed 
poorly, which is probably the reason why Canadians pulled the plug on trying to 
run it to the Pacific.

I worked at a couple of the early oil sands sites in eastern Alberta, and that 
stuff was flat-out nasty

Dan

On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:58 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> But why are we shipping not our oil as well as our oil from far north all the 
> way to the Gulf?  We should build refineries up north, turn the stuff to 
> useful fuel.  Home use would lower our price at the pump, then whatzizname 
> would get a free ride back to the whitehouse.
> 
> Making the Canadians build a pipeline to the Pacific on their own land to 
> supply china makes more sense, than letting the chinese suckle at our gulf 
> ports.  All the tar sand juice is not doing us any good, so kill the 
> pipelines unless half the goo goes to our own fuel needs and not to feed the 
> nations who will one day overtake us.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
>> Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip mine 
>> it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly great 
>> stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...
>> 
>> Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the pipeline 
>> people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain) if they 
>> didn't want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of Nebraska 
>> Keystone XL just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our president 
>> is NOT in the wrong in rejecting the proposal.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:33:39 -0500
>> From: Allan Streib 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Mountain Man  writes:
>> 
>>> Stray question regarding oil refining.
>>> I think I have heard stories lately about the pipeline for the tar
>>> sand oil from Canada.  Are they saying this oil is really dirty to
>>> refine?
>> 
>> I think in the past it was too expensive to refine, maybe in part
>> because it's "dirty" compared to more traditional crude oil.  With
>> prices where they are now, that has changed and suddenly extraction and
>> refining of oil from shale and tar sands is profitable.
>> 
>> Allan
>> -- 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[clay monroe]

But why are we shipping not our oil as well as our oil from far north all the 
way to the Gulf?  We should build refineries up north, turn the stuff to useful 
fuel.  Home use would lower our price at the pump, then whatzizname would get a 
free ride back to the whitehouse.

Making the Canadians build a pipeline to the Pacific on their own land to 
supply china makes more sense, than letting the chinese suckle at our gulf 
ports.  All the tar sand juice is not doing us any good, so kill the pipelines 
unless half the goo goes to our own fuel needs and not to feed the nations who 
will one day overtake us.


clay 

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers






On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip mine 
> it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly great 
> stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...
> 
> Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the pipeline 
> people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain) if they 
> didn't want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of Nebraska 
> Keystone XL just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our president is 
> NOT in the wrong in rejecting the proposal.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:33:39 -0500
> From: Allan Streib 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Mountain Man  writes:
> 
>> Stray question regarding oil refining.
>> I think I have heard stories lately about the pipeline for the tar
>> sand oil from Canada.  Are they saying this oil is really dirty to
>> refine?
> 
> I think in the past it was too expensive to refine, maybe in part
> because it's "dirty" compared to more traditional crude oil.  With
> prices where they are now, that has changed and suddenly extraction and
> refining of oil from shale and tar sands is profitable.
> 
> Allan
> -- 
> 1983 300D
> 1979 300SD
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT "very little rust on the body" -- CL Idiot

[Tim C]

On Feb 29, 2012 2:30 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>
> If it truly will take "very little" then I suggest they should do that so
they can advertise it as "running".
>

In fairness you never know exactly what the very little is, unless you
really dig into it, in which case you are investing a lot of time in a
project for which you have no interest.  The lack of interest is the
primary killer of my cars, if I'm being honest.

Best,
Tim
Fewer cars than Snook, does that mean I have a longer attention span?
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Re: [MBZ] Portland Biodiesel

[Allan Streib]

A nice lesson on why price controls don't work or cause shortages,
something I'm sure that came as a surprise to some in the "green fuels"
movement.

Tim C  writes:

> My father-in-law used to work with a midsized biod coop, they used to price
> based on cost.  When road diesel passed biod a few years ago the demand was
> too high, so they reset their prices to floor at cost, or road diesel plus
> some percentage.
>
> Unfortunately we don't have enough biod being produced fast enough to meet
> demand at the true price, and it doesn't make sense for the true believers
> not to be able to pay extra.  I believe that is even true here, where we
> have a much larger coop; they seem to have a similar pricing scheme though
> I'm not a member so I don't know for sure.

-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Portland Biodiesel

[Tim C]

On Feb 29, 2012 8:33 AM, "Alex Chamberlain"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>
> > I am planning to check out the prices at some of these local suppliers
when
> > the weather warms a bit
> >
>
> Prices on dino-diesel just surpassed biodiesel in Portland for the first
> time that I can remember.  At stations that sell Sequential Biofuels fuel
> (good stuff--much of the feedstock comes from the Kettle Chips factory in
> Eugene so your exhaust smells like potato chips!), the price is around
> $3.99/gal where dino-diesel is $4.15-$4.19 or so.  I'll be filling up the
> 300D with bio exclusively once the weather gets a little bit warmer.
>

My father-in-law used to work with a midsized biod coop, they used to price
based on cost.  When road diesel passed biod a few years ago the demand was
too high, so they reset their prices to floor at cost, or road diesel plus
some percentage.

Unfortunately we don't have enough biod being produced fast enough to meet
demand at the true price, and it doesn't make sense for the true believers
not to be able to pay extra.  I believe that is even true here, where we
have a much larger coop; they seem to have a similar pricing scheme though
I'm not a member so I don't know for sure.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] viking range

[Rich Thomas]

If it is behind the stove, and the stove can be moved, you can leave it 
with the wires capped and a plate over it.  You just can't permanently 
hide it by something that is not removable.  The stove might have an 
outlet behind it to power the electrical ignitors, lights, etc., and 
that is just as (in)accessible as the one you want to abandon.  Or just 
leave it as an outlet?


If it is an issue, you should be able to find the other end of the wire 
(in some other box) and pull it from there (with a bit of wrestling and 
maybe some slight cutting into the wall if you need to undo a clamp).  
Or make another outlet in the cabinet base next to it.


--R

On 2/29/12 2:17 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

By the way... since I'm now 18" wider than the original range, I need to
delete an electrical outlet that's now partially blocked by the stove.
I was thinking just connect the wires with wire nuts, but IIRC standard
code does not want a junction box that's totally inaccessible
e.g. inside a wall, anyone know if that's right?

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] OT "very little rust on the body" -- CL Idiot

[Randy Bennell]

On 29/02/2012 7:13 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

Randy Bennell  writes:


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2859638670.html

This one is sort of interesting. I always wonder when people say "it
should run" or "it needs very little to repair" etc, why they don't
just fix it before they advertise it if that is the case.

In this case, it's likely because they've lost interest or have no
interest in a restoration project.  Also a car restoration project
(which this one is) is almost certainly a money-loser on pure financial
terms.  If you want a restored classic, buy one that's already done and
you're money ahead.

In the general case, repair or (especially) catching up on deferred
maintenance will cost more than it will add to the value of the car.  So
many sellers would rather sell as-is than spend money they won't be able
to recoup.

Allan

I think you missed my point. I was not suggesting that they should 
restore before selling it. The ad says something like " the motor is not 
seized and it should take very little to get it running".
If it truly will take "very little" then I suggest they should do that 
so they can advertise it as "running".


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] A clean saw chain

[Fmiser]

> Allan Streib wrote:

> I'd be tempted to give the chain a good WD-40 treatment to get
> rid of any remaining water and then lube with the proper chain
> lube.

I just sprayed it with LPS2.  Displace the water _and_ provide a
light lube.  By the time the chain has gone around the bar a
couple times the saw should have applied enough of the real
stuff.

> Save the rest of the lye, you can use it to make electrolyte
> for rust removal should you ever need it.

Good point.

And I'll use it for next time I need to clean the chain. :)

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] viking range

[Dan Penoff]

Correct. That is a no-no.

You can effectively abandon the box by capping off the wires and installing a 
blank cover plate, but you cannot conceal or covet over an existing box with 
live conductors in it.

Dan

On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Rich Thomas  writes:
> 
>> All Viking appliances (at least the cooktops, I am guessing ranges
>> too) require a back plate to be installed, and I think they won't sell
>> you the unit without also buying the back.  Those burners can put out
>> a LOT of heat (>=12k BTU on the newer ones), and it is there for
>> mostly protection to whatever is behind the unit.  SS is the specified
>> material, tile won't do.  They also specify a hood to go with them.
> 
> Unit came with what I think you are calling the backplate, it's
> basically an enclosure for the heat exhaust from the ovens, extends up
> about 12" above the top and has an angled deflector to direct the heat
> away from the wall.  The stainless "backsplash" I'm interested in is
> just to cover the wall above that, up to the hood, for appearances.
> 
> The range also came with the hood, which has 4(!) blower motors.  I just
> have not installed it yet.
> 
> By the way... since I'm now 18" wider than the original range, I need to
> delete an electrical outlet that's now partially blocked by the stove.
> I was thinking just connect the wires with wire nuts, but IIRC standard
> code does not want a junction box that's totally inaccessible
> e.g. inside a wall, anyone know if that's right?
> 
> Allan
> 
> -- 
> 1983 300D
> 1979 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] viking range

[Allan Streib]

Rich Thomas  writes:

> All Viking appliances (at least the cooktops, I am guessing ranges
> too) require a back plate to be installed, and I think they won't sell
> you the unit without also buying the back.  Those burners can put out
> a LOT of heat (>=12k BTU on the newer ones), and it is there for
> mostly protection to whatever is behind the unit.  SS is the specified
> material, tile won't do.  They also specify a hood to go with them.

Unit came with what I think you are calling the backplate, it's
basically an enclosure for the heat exhaust from the ovens, extends up
about 12" above the top and has an angled deflector to direct the heat
away from the wall.  The stainless "backsplash" I'm interested in is
just to cover the wall above that, up to the hood, for appearances.

The range also came with the hood, which has 4(!) blower motors.  I just
have not installed it yet.

By the way... since I'm now 18" wider than the original range, I need to
delete an electrical outlet that's now partially blocked by the stove.
I was thinking just connect the wires with wire nuts, but IIRC standard
code does not want a junction box that's totally inaccessible
e.g. inside a wall, anyone know if that's right?

Allan

-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] viking range

[Rich Thomas]

All Viking appliances (at least the cooktops, I am guessing ranges too) 
require a back plate to be installed, and I think they won't sell you 
the unit without also buying the back.  Those burners can put out a LOT 
of heat (>=12k BTU on the newer ones), and it is there for mostly 
protection to whatever is behind the unit.  SS is the specified 
material, tile won't do.  They also specify a hood to go with them.


--R (who is looking at cooktops for the new kitchen, and would love a 
Viking but they cost more than most of my cars now, yow!)


On 2/29/12 1:10 PM, Tim C wrote:

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:

stainless steel for a backsplash.  Needs to be 48" x 24" roughly.  I

If you'll settle for cheap steel, you could get an old car hood.  If
you leave the star on it will even look pretty classy.

You might want to rethink the thick stainless anyway - that's going to
add a lot of weight to the area.  You're just blocking splatters, not
explosions, right? :)

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Rich Thomas]

They are going to mine it anyway, and sell it to the Chinese, so whether 
it is dirty or whatever is not relevant to the argument.  The Canadians 
are not so tied up in the fringe issue at this time.


I don't know if the pipeline will be above ground or below ground 
through Nebraska (have not seen the design).  If it is below ground it 
is basically "out of sight, out of mind."  There are thousands of miles 
of pipelines (hundreds of thousands in the US I think) and most of them 
are underground, and basically unnoticeable.  I observed a large 
pipeline being laid in Texas (probably 24" or maybe bigger, hard to tell 
from the road) and once they finished a section and back-filled it, 
there was no evidence it was even there, save the occasional pump 
station every mile or few.  And there are even pipelines in 
Massachusetts and the sky has not fallen there yet (well, that is 
debatable, but you know what I mean...).


The arguments against the pipeline (not the oil) are basically 
political, depending on where you fall on the spectrum, and are mostly 
unfounded based on anecdotal reality or any objective assessments.  
Keystone is going to build the pipeline (at least parts of it) anyway, 
the issue is the connection across the border, which for some reason the 
Dept of State has weighed in on, and maybe the Nebraska route aspects 
(which was approved, environmentally, already).  The oil seems to be 
fairly nasty stuff, but given it is going to be produced anyway, might 
as well get the benefit for the US economy.


The whole thing is a political treat tossed to Obama's enviro base (at 
the expense of the union base that would build the pipeline), and after 
the election, either way it goes, the pipeline will be approved, actual 
private-sector and privately-funded jobs will obtain, and life will go 
on.  Nothing more complicated than that.


--R

On 2/29/12 1:02 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip mine 
it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly great 
stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...

Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the pipeline 
people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain) if they didn't 
want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of Nebraska Keystone XL 
just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our president is NOT in the 
wrong in rejecting the proposal.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner

[Dan Penoff]

I could easily justify such a vehicle, as I drive roughly 36 miles round trip 
daily, about 50-50 surface street and highway.

Once the car comes home it's pretty well parked for the night.

If they can ever get the technology to a reasonable price and reliable I would 
do it.

For now it just doesn't make a lot of economic sense.

Dan

On Feb 29, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> It depends. Up here we've got lots of couples that really bought into the 
> "Bigger is better" and have a pair of BIIIG SUVs, like Suburbans or 
> Excursions with the BG V8 and 10mpg fuel economy. Some of those people 
> commute 100+ miles a day like I do.
> 
> 
> For them changing to a small car like a Ford Fiesta at 40mpg and lowered tax 
> and insurance makes good sense, especially if they were in for a new car 
> anyway.
> 
> 
> BTW I had a Ford Fiesta as a rental a couple weeks ago. Its actually a fairly 
> nice car, not super cheap/rattley like the Fiesta of old. Plenty of power to 
> hold it own in LA traffic. The transmission on the one I had had a wicked 
> flair at each shift but I bet thats just a rental with 15,000 miles on it...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:26:25 -0500
> From: Allan Streib 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Curt Raymond  writes:
> 
>> Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story
>> lately? Its always the "New 30mpg super-whatever" now rather than the
>> "3000hp super-whatever" that it was 2 years ago.
>> 
>> I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher
>> efficiency in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps
>> that too.
> 
> It's just the latest marketing spin.  Even at $3.50 a gallon, most
> people are better off with a cheaper used car or (especially) continuing
> to drive a paid-off old car than they are getting a new car, even one with a
> high MPG rating.  And the cars with really good fuel economy come with
> severe compromises on size and utility.
> 
> Unless you drive a lot of miles, the fuel costs savings of a new
> "economical" car are not going to make up for the additional expenses.
> 
> Allan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] viking range

[Tim C]

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> stainless steel for a backsplash.  Needs to be 48" x 24" roughly.  I

If you'll settle for cheap steel, you could get an old car hood.  If
you leave the star on it will even look pretty classy.

You might want to rethink the thick stainless anyway - that's going to
add a lot of weight to the area.  You're just blocking splatters, not
explosions, right? :)

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Curt Raymond]

Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip mine 
it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly great 
stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...

Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the pipeline 
people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain) if they didn't 
want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of Nebraska Keystone XL 
just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our president is NOT in the 
wrong in rejecting the proposal.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:33:39 -0500
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas
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Mountain Man  writes:

> Stray question regarding oil refining.
> I think I have heard stories lately about the pipeline for the tar
> sand oil from Canada.  Are they saying this oil is really dirty to
> refine?

I think in the past it was too expensive to refine, maybe in part
because it's "dirty" compared to more traditional crude oil.  With
prices where they are now, that has changed and suddenly extraction and
refining of oil from shale and tar sands is profitable.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner

[Curt Raymond]

It depends. Up here we've got lots of couples that really bought into the 
"Bigger is better" and have a pair of BIIIG SUVs, like Suburbans or Excursions 
with the BG V8 and 10mpg fuel economy. Some of those people commute 100+ 
miles a day like I do.


For them changing to a small car like a Ford Fiesta at 40mpg and lowered tax 
and insurance makes good sense, especially if they were in for a new car anyway.


BTW I had a Ford Fiesta as a rental a couple weeks ago. Its actually a fairly 
nice car, not super cheap/rattley like the Fiesta of old. Plenty of power to 
hold it own in LA traffic. The transmission on the one I had had a wicked flair 
at each shift but I bet thats just a rental with 15,000 miles on it...

-Curt



Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:26:25 -0500
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Curt Raymond  writes:

> Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story
> lately? Its always the "New 30mpg super-whatever" now rather than the
> "3000hp super-whatever" that it was 2 years ago.
>
> I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher
> efficiency in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps
> that too.

It's just the latest marketing spin.  Even at $3.50 a gallon, most
people are better off with a cheaper used car or (especially) continuing
to drive a paid-off old car than they are getting a new car, even one with a
high MPG rating.  And the cars with really good fuel economy come with
severe compromises on size and utility.

Unless you drive a lot of miles, the fuel costs savings of a new
"economical" car are not going to make up for the additional expenses.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] viking range

[Rich Thomas]

You definitely need a BIG vent hood, with some serious draft.  New, they 
are quite pricey but I occasionally see them on CL.


--R

On 2/29/12 11:40 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

I have not yet installed the vent hood, and it seems that it might be
necessary.


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Re: [MBZ] viking range

[Allan Streib]

After a busy couple of weeks, got some time to get the range installed.

After contacting several parts houses and finding the valves for this
model NLA, I decided to look at fixing the valve.  Upon inspection, the
part that was broken was not involved in the actual gas control at all,
it was only the safety lock mechanism that requires the valve to be be
pushed in to turn it out of the "Off" position, and also provides
detents at the "ignite" and "medium" settings.

I fixed the problem by brazing the loose collar back in place.  Note to
self, next time brazing small parts get a small torch and thin brazing
rods.  Nearly melted the collar trying to get the rod to melt.  Luckily
it's still serviceable.  Probably should have gone for the JB Weld in
retrospect.  But, the control now working properly and the stem no
longer wobbles.

To install the range, I had to do was remove a 18" cabinet next to where
the old range had been, and it slid in.  Still need to cut down the
countertop that was over that cabinet.  I also want to find a piece of
stainless steel for a backsplash.  Needs to be 48" x 24" roughly.  I
inquired at the local sheet-metal shop and they would want over $100 for
16ga, grade "B" finish.  Need to get creative here.

With a $5 flare fitting adapter from the local hardware store, the gas
line was connected.  All the burners, ovens, and broiler work.  The
ignitor switches for the burners seem a bit wonky: requires a bit of
fine-tuning the knob position to get the ignitors to spark, by which
time enough gas has been released to make the burner ignite with a
"whump."  Thinking of adding a separate ignitor activation button, or
just manually lighting using a long-nose lighter.  The oven ignitors are
the glow/resistance style, not spark, and they work fine.

I have not yet installed the vent hood, and it seems that it might be
necessary.  The oven burners burn a bit unevenly, but when I open the
oven doors they settle down.  I'm thinking they might need a slight
draft which would normally be provided by the vent hood.

All in all I'm pretty pleased.  Cooking is wonderful, I love the very
even heat and fine degree of heat control on the rangetop burners.  The
valves adjust though nearly 270 degrees of rotation, compared to the
roughly 90 degrees on the old range.  This morning I made perfect
over-easy eggs which was always tricky on the old range, seemed either
too hot or not hot enough.

Allan

Allan Streib  writes:

> Well I ended up winning the auction for the surplus Viking range the
> university was selling.
>
> Got it home today.  It's HEAVY!  Only problem I can spot with it so far
> is one of the burner valves has a wobbly stem.  There's a brass collar
> that centers the stem in the valve body, looks like it was swaged in and
> the knob was probably bumped hard at some point and the collar pulled
> loose.  I can fit it back in place but it pops right out again.  I'll
> try cleaning it up and JB-Welding it in place.  Or, it looks like the
> front plate of the valve is attached with screws, I might be able to
> remove it and then braze the collar on.  Worst case a new valve looks
> like it will run about $30.
>
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Portland Biodiesel (and everywhere else)

[ernest breakfield]

nice article, but it's a different world today than it was when that was 
written almost 2 years ago.


looking for BioD? here's the best resource i've found so far:
http://nearbio.com/


cheers!
e

On 28/Feb/12 17:01, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

I am planning to check out the prices at some of these local suppliers when
the weather warms a bit and see how Greta the Jetta does on B99 or B100.
Here is an article found online:

Portland biodiesel prices drop below diesel By | June 15, 2010 Posted July
12, 2010

Effective immediately, SeQuential-Pacific Biodiesel in association with
Leathers Fuels, Star Oilco and Powell Distributing are reducing the retail
price for B99 biodiesel to $2.99 per gallon through Aug. 15 for a customer
appreciation event, and to raise awareness for local, sustainable biodiesel.
With petroleum diesel rising to over $3.25 at retail pumps, this marks the
first time biodiesel is lower than petroleum diesel since hurricanes Katrina
and Rita in 2005.

"Our customers have been so committed to cleaner burning local fuel, we felt
this is the best way we can give back and show our appreciation," said Gavin
Carpenter, regional sales manager with SeQuential-Pacific Biodiesel. "The
best part is not only can they fuel with a clean conscience knowing the bio
is made 50 miles down I-5, they're saving money, and if diesel keeps rising,
they could save a lot of money."

SeQuential-Pacific operates Oregon's largest and most sustainable biodiesel
facility, generating more than 5 million gallons a year. The primary
feedstock for production is recycled cooking oil. Having already served its
purpose in the food industry, recycled oil is one of the most sustainable
feedstocks for biodiesel. Kettle Foods and Burgerville supply their used
cooking oil to SeQuential along with thousands of other restaurants
throughout the Northwest.

Biodiesel is non-toxic and biodegradable and helps combat global warming
while improving air quality. The city of Portland's diesel fleet currently
runs an average blend of 20 percent biodiesel in its vehicles, and all
diesel sold in Oregon is a 2 percent blend as part of the state's renewable
fuel standard.

The following locations will offer $2.99 Oregon-produced biodiesel through
Aug. 15:

Star Oilco: (503) 283-256. Locations: Linnton Shell, 11330 NW St. Helens
Rd., Portland, Ore. 97231; Middlefield Rd., 232 NE Middlefield Rd.,
Portland, Ore. 97211; Cardlock, SW Hunziker Rd., 8185 SW Hunziker Rd.,
Tigard, Ore., 97223.

Powell Distributing: (503) 289-5558. Locations: JL Mini-Mart, 6021 NE
Portland Hwy, Portland, Ore. 97218; Jay's Garage, 734 SE 7th Ave, Portland,
Ore. 97214; Vancouver Shell, 4409 NE 78th St, Vancouver, WA 98685.

Leathers Enterprises: (503) 661-1244. Locations: Leathers Shell, 18145 SE
Division, Gresham, Ore., 97236; Leathers Shell Aurora, 12334 Ehlen Road NE,
Aurora, Ore. 97002.

SOURCE: SEQUENTIAL-PACIFIC BIODIESEL
  




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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[WILTON]

'Must be the chrome exhaust tips that make it worth $17+ k.   ;<)
'Gonna hafta let it go and try to continue to "get by" with the trailer with 
MB 123 wheel covers and three-pointed star on the tailgate.


Wilton

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From: "Rich Thomas" 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast


I think I saw this thing a few months back 
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2875924296.html


Kinda interesting, just the thing for mama to go to the garden shop in.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[Allan Streib]

Rich Thomas  writes:

> I think I saw this thing a few months back
> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2875924296.html
>
> Kinda interesting, just the thing for mama to go to the garden shop
> in.

I saw a similar conversion of a W110 a while ago.  Not sure if it was an
aftermarket or "official" (e.g. maybe by Binz?) conversion.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[G Mann]

Just what I need to drive to the next local mud bog truck pull Cajun BBQ.

It is a true testimony to what can be done with disposable income. Thanks
for sharing.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> I think I saw this thing a few months back   http://charleston.craigslist.
> **org/cto/2875924296.html
>
> Kinda interesting, just the thing for mama to go to the garden shop in.
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[Walt Zarnoch]

Wow.

That is actually a quite tasteful conversion, that looks to be done properly!

Makes me wonder if it's the end times...

Walt, who still can't believe it, even with pics...

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
> I think I saw this thing a few months back
> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2875924296.html
>
> Kinda interesting, just the thing for mama to go to the garden shop in.
>
> --R
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[MBZ] Just the thing for the discerning enthusiast

[Rich Thomas]

I think I saw this thing a few months back   
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2875924296.html


Kinda interesting, just the thing for mama to go to the garden shop in.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[Allan Streib]

Peter Frederick  writes:

> The ignorance of Americans flat out terrifies me sometimes -- how on
> earth are we going to be competitive if we still believe in magic,
> evil spirits, and whatever Fox news makes up for profit?

Of course we never see such ignorance in other parts of the world, and
I'm sure a guest speaker from a Jewish group would be welcome in the AP
religion class in a Syrian or Iranian high school, eh?

Intolerance is everywhere, always has been, always will be.  It's a flaw
in human nature.  Nothing uniquely American about it.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[Dan Penoff]

What was comforting about the whole thing was the number of people in the 
community that came out and spoke in favor of the Muslims.

Sadly, the pea-brained rednecks idiots are committed to coming back to every 
School Board meeting and complaining until they get their way. The more 
intelligent ones in the group have figured out that they would be happy with 
some sort of policy that screens classroom speakers.

What I find funny and refreshing is that the chairwoman of the Board, who is 
about as WASP-y as you can get, has stood up to these idiots and run logical 
rings around them every time they show up.

Dan

On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:11 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

> We usually attend the Islamic Festival here, started after 9/11 when some 
> bozo rammed his truck into the mosque downtown and the adjacent synagogue and 
> Catholic church organized a fundraiser for them.  They decided to undertake a 
> "church dinner" sort of affair, which has been wildly popular.
> 
> Since most of the Muslims here are professionals (doctors, scientists, 
> bankers, etc) and from all over the world, it's quite an interesting day.  
> Lovely people, not a terrorist in the bunch.
> 
> The ignorance of Americans flat out terrifies me sometimes -- how on earth 
> are we going to be competitive if we still believe in magic, evil spirits, 
> and whatever Fox news makes up for profit?
> 
> Best bet for the MacBook is to find a top cover on eBay for one that has 
> water damage or was otherwise trashed with no damage to the trackpad.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
>> Look at this:
>> 
>> Http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1449
>> 
>> That's what I have found so far. I will continue to look in GSX for you 
>> tonight.
>> 
>> Sorry I didn't look sooner, but I had a School Board meeting last night and 
>> didn't get home until late. Damned rednecks tied up the public comment part 
>> with their diatribes against Muslims, who, in their small minds, are all 
>> terrorists...
>> 
>> Background: a local Muslim group was invited to speak to some AP World 
>> Religion classes, and some of the tiny minded locals convinced themselves 
>> that we were promoting everything from terrorism to Sharia law.
>> 
>> Oy.
>> 
>> I was very impressed with the representatives of the local Muslim community 
>> who came out to defend themselves. They did a great job in doing so, and 
>> with little or no emotion, just facts.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's a A1278 MacBookPro 13", couple of years old.
>>> Searching online reveals that it is a issue but of course Apple is taking 
>>> the high moral ground and telling people nothing except that their products 
>>> are that fantastic that they should pay through the nose for them, however 
>>> Fay loves it but she falls in that category of people who have limited 
>>> computer knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Hendrik
>>> who is getting used to Ubuntus Oneiric Ocelot
>>> 
>>> On 28/02/12 13:25, Dan Penoff wrote:
 Can offer any details about the Mac, as in model or order number?
 
 I can look it up in GSX (Apple's service system) and see if there are any 
 issues with these parts.
 
 Dan
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

[Allan Streib]

Mountain Man  writes:

> Stray question regarding oil refining.
> I think I have heard stories lately about the pipeline for the tar
> sand oil from Canada.  Are they saying this oil is really dirty to
> refine?

I think in the past it was too expensive to refine, maybe in part
because it's "dirty" compared to more traditional crude oil.  With
prices where they are now, that has changed and suddenly extraction and
refining of oil from shale and tar sands is profitable.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Portland Biodiesel

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> I am planning to check out the prices at some of these local suppliers when
> the weather warms a bit
>

Prices on dino-diesel just surpassed biodiesel in Portland for the first
time that I can remember.  At stations that sell Sequential Biofuels fuel
(good stuff--much of the feedstock comes from the Kettle Chips factory in
Eugene so your exhaust smells like potato chips!), the price is around
$3.99/gal where dino-diesel is $4.15-$4.19 or so.  I'll be filling up the
300D with bio exclusively once the weather gets a little bit warmer.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner

[Allan Streib]

Curt Raymond  writes:

> Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story
> lately? Its always the "New 30mpg super-whatever" now rather than the
> "3000hp super-whatever" that it was 2 years ago.
>
> I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher
> efficiency in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps
> that too.

It's just the latest marketing spin.  Even at $3.50 a gallon, most
people are better off with a cheaper used car or (especially) continuing
to drive a paid-off old car than they are getting a new car, even one with a
high MPG rating.  And the cars with really good fuel economy come with
severe compromises on size and utility.

Unless you drive a lot of miles, the fuel costs savings of a new
"economical" car are not going to make up for the additional expenses.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] A clean saw chain

[Allan Streib]

I'd be tempted to give the chain a good WD-40 treatment to get rid of
any remaining water and then lube with the proper chain lube.

Save the rest of the lye, you can use it to make electrolyte for rust
removal should you ever need it.

Fmiser  writes:

> Figured I would share the results of my chainsaw chain cleaning.
>
> I chose to try lye (sodium hydroxide, caustic soda) first.  And
> I'm thrilled at the results.  
>
> I have an old tupperware-like container (discarded from the
> kitchen, now working in the garage) that I put the saw chain in,
> coiled up in the bottom.  It takes about one cup (0.25 L) of
> water to cover the chain.  I add about one teaspoon (10 cc) or
> so of the lye I got from the hardware store.
>
> About half an hour later, I drain and rinse the chain.  At this
> point, all that's left of the tar, sap, etc is a soft paste-like
> stuff.  Much of the gunk is already gone.  I fill the container
> with warm water and add a bit of soap and use an old toothbrush
> and it takes me about five minutes to get the chain totally
> clean.
>

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1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT "very little rust on the body" -- CL Idiot

[Allan Streib]

Randy Bennell  writes:

> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2859638670.html
>
> This one is sort of interesting. I always wonder when people say "it
> should run" or "it needs very little to repair" etc, why they don't
> just fix it before they advertise it if that is the case.

In this case, it's likely because they've lost interest or have no
interest in a restoration project.  Also a car restoration project
(which this one is) is almost certainly a money-loser on pure financial
terms.  If you want a restored classic, buy one that's already done and
you're money ahead.

In the general case, repair or (especially) catching up on deferred
maintenance will cost more than it will add to the value of the car.  So
many sellers would rather sell as-is than spend money they won't be able
to recoup.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[Peter Frederick]

We usually attend the Islamic Festival here, started after 9/11 when  
some bozo rammed his truck into the mosque downtown and the adjacent  
synagogue and Catholic church organized a fundraiser for them.  They  
decided to undertake a "church dinner" sort of affair, which has been  
wildly popular.


Since most of the Muslims here are professionals (doctors,  
scientists, bankers, etc) and from all over the world, it's quite an  
interesting day.  Lovely people, not a terrorist in the bunch.


The ignorance of Americans flat out terrifies me sometimes -- how on  
earth are we going to be competitive if we still believe in magic,  
evil spirits, and whatever Fox news makes up for profit?


Best bet for the MacBook is to find a top cover on eBay for one that  
has water damage or was otherwise trashed with no damage to the  
trackpad.


Peter


On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:


Look at this:

Http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1449

That's what I have found so far. I will continue to look in GSX for  
you tonight.


Sorry I didn't look sooner, but I had a School Board meeting last  
night and didn't get home until late. Damned rednecks tied up the  
public comment part with their diatribes against Muslims, who, in  
their small minds, are all terrorists...


Background: a local Muslim group was invited to speak to some AP  
World Religion classes, and some of the tiny minded locals  
convinced themselves that we were promoting everything from  
terrorism to Sharia law.


Oy.

I was very impressed with the representatives of the local Muslim  
community who came out to defend themselves. They did a great job  
in doing so, and with little or no emotion, just facts.


Dan

On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Hendrik and Fay  
 wrote:



It's a A1278 MacBookPro 13", couple of years old.
Searching online reveals that it is a issue but of course Apple is  
taking the high moral ground and telling people nothing except  
that their products are that fantastic that they should pay  
through the nose for them, however Fay loves it but she falls in  
that category of people who have limited computer knowledge.


Hendrik
who is getting used to Ubuntus Oneiric Ocelot

On 28/02/12 13:25, Dan Penoff wrote:

Can offer any details about the Mac, as in model or order number?

I can look it up in GSX (Apple's service system) and see if there  
are any issues with these parts.


Dan






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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[Dan Penoff]

Look at this:

Http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1449

That's what I have found so far. I will continue to look in GSX for you tonight.

Sorry I didn't look sooner, but I had a School Board meeting last night and 
didn't get home until late. Damned rednecks tied up the public comment part 
with their diatribes against Muslims, who, in their small minds, are all 
terrorists...

Background: a local Muslim group was invited to speak to some AP World Religion 
classes, and some of the tiny minded locals convinced themselves that we were 
promoting everything from terrorism to Sharia law.

Oy.

I was very impressed with the representatives of the local Muslim community who 
came out to defend themselves. They did a great job in doing so, and with 
little or no emotion, just facts.

Dan

On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

> It's a A1278 MacBookPro 13", couple of years old.
> Searching online reveals that it is a issue but of course Apple is taking the 
> high moral ground and telling people nothing except that their products are 
> that fantastic that they should pay through the nose for them, however Fay 
> loves it but she falls in that category of people who have limited computer 
> knowledge.
> 
> Hendrik
> who is getting used to Ubuntus Oneiric Ocelot
> 
> On 28/02/12 13:25, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Can offer any details about the Mac, as in model or order number?
>> 
>> I can look it up in GSX (Apple's service system) and see if there are any 
>> issues with these parts.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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