[MBZ] Elderly hoon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WmZcn8Y-SM Hendrik who has matured enough to not do burnouts ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning the driveway - was: Use of synthetic oil in older diesels
And then it runs into the storm sewer and then it runs into the river. Or it just settles into the groundwater. --R On 3/22/12 7:32 PM, Dieselhead wrote: B100 over the top of the oil. then Dawn and brush with stiff brush/broom. When you are sufficiently worn out and the B100 has been there an hour or more, wash it off with a pressure washer. May not bleach out all the black in one pass, but will do a decent job. It has already soaked... into the concrete. :-( Rick Sent from my iPhone. On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Driveway cleaning question to follow. :-) Why not just let it soak into the gravel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning the driveway - was: Use of synthetic oil in older diesels
Speedy dry will do it. You have to use a piece of 2x4 or the like and grind it into the concrete. It will take a lot of work but you can get all of the stain out. It's how garages used to get the floor clean before epoxy paint to seal the concrete came about. Mike On Mar 22, 2012 6:08 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: ... in the driveway changing oil cooler lines, because his kid lost an oil cooler line and four quarts of oil pretty much in the driveway. Driveway cleaning question to follow. :-) Why not just let it soak into the gravel? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: Happy Friday, Germans Shooting Fish In The Barrel
Second attempt... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: A little humor to start your day off right. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Y5XjlO4vkfeature=youtube_gdata_player ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Eight hole wheel coating
I have a '95 E300D with the 8-hole type alloy wheels. One of the rear brakes seized last year and the inside pad wore down to the baking plate. Filings/dust from the worn backing plate reacted with surfaces on the wheel causing a rusty-black rock hard deposit. I had to scour that wheel clean using a what I can best describe as a stainless-steel brillo pad. With lots of work, I got that wheel looking OK again. But I am concerned that I may have removed some type of protective finish from it. Does anyone know if this 8-hole generation of wheels is supposed to have a surface treatment or clear coat of some type? Is this wheel going to corrode away or stain badly if I don't do something to it? Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ethanol Vs. Methanol
All flex-fuel vehicles are designed to run any alcohol blend, including ethanol or methanol or butanol at high percentages. The fuel system is made with alcohol compatible materials and many systems include oxygenation sensors to better meter the fuel by its oxygen content to set injectors and timing properly. Todd Smith -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 13:24 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Ethanol Vs. Methanol Could a flex fuel vehicle use an 85% methanol blend as well as the currently available 85% ethanol blend? M85 vs E85? It seems a no brainer, given all the natural gas the US has, since methanol is mainly produced from that. Mercedes content; the C Class has been available as a flex fuel vehicle for almost a decade. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
1983 380SL Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning the driveway - was: Use of synthetic oil in older diesels
be sure you have a soda rinse or it will keep eating the concrete clay On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Muriatic acid wash. Walt On Mar 22, 2012 8:14 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: Driveway cleaning question to follow. :-) Fmiser wrote: Why not just let it soak into the gravel? Rick Knoble then wrote: It has already soaked... into the concrete. :-( I was mostly just teasing... Out here where I am it's a bit of a luxury to have a concrete floor in the garage. But the _driveway_ too? Ooooh! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Converted to dual chain? If not, run. John Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:49 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: 1983 380SL Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Maybe next week. I have three other SL I am checking out this weekend in that price range. I am finding that price range is full of compromised examples. I have seen others that are closer to 10k that are also needs help. On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: Come on down to Vancouver and look this one over. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2908057854.html Not mine, no interest, ETC. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel the Diesel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
On Mar 23, 2012 9:53 AM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Converted to dual chain? If not, run. I will sell Clay the engine from my POS Euro 500SEL for $500. That would make a nice swap into a 380. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Ah, no conversion clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:56 AM, John Freer wrote: Converted to dual chain? If not, run. John Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:49 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: 1983 380SL Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Aluminum washer
This is good information. I'm going to order one of the new type from Rusty but will hold it in reserve and try to anneal what I have. I *think* my IR thermometer goes to 799F so it seems like I should be able to get in the right range using it and my plumbers torch if I'm careful. I've annealed copper washers a couple times now with good results. -Curt Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:06:50 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Aluminum washer Message-ID: 20120322000650.73899f42.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII G Mann wrote: 2. Placed the washer /safety wire [with a handle of wire about 8 inches long] over a gas stove burner and heated the washer while turning it to heat both sides of the flats until the .032 stainless wire just started to show some redness from heat. That's a bit hot. Iron begins glowing at about 550C (1022F), and aluminum melts about 660C (1220F). 400C (750F) is a good target for Aluminum. I did some web searching for a good way to indicate a surface temp of 340C (650F) to 400C (750F). A Sharpie marker is supposed to burn off about that temperature, but one site said only if it wasn't a fresh mark. Another suggestion was apply soap and watch for it turns black. The most accurate would be a temperature indicating stick. http://www.tempil.com/products/tempilstik-original/ Probably overkill for annealing a washer! 3. Quenched the washer under the kitchen faucet [cold tap]. You should get a nice PSssh} Annealing of copper, brass, and aluminum is not generally affected by the speed of the cooling. So quench if you want, or air cool, or whatever suits your fancy. Ferrous metals (iron and steel) _must_ be cooled slowly to anneal. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
All fresh hoses and rubber under the hood. PO was not mechanically inclined and just had dealer do all the work. ACC works, because the guy wanted the car fully functional and paid through the nose for that job. clay On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:01 PM, OK Don wrote: Green coolant means a new radiator, and possibly a water pump. Oil on the hoo dpad might be from the breather having broken or come loose in the past - which also indicates that despite the low miles, the rings are frozen and leaking. Remember that unless they've been recently replaced, ALL the rubber under the hood is rock hard and leaking. There is a LOT of ruber in the intake system - I replaced all of it in the 450SLC. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:31 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Been scouring the local R107 barrel. Finally found a true keeper. Of course it is at the stealer, is nigh perfect all around, and under $11k. Not mine yet. Has 120k miles, great paint, with three rock chips, glass has one rock chip. Second owner, with folder of records and all paperwork. NO RUST AT ALL ANYWHERE. I mean this babe is dang near showroom. Except the shop did not bother to detail the engine or under carriage. Garage kept, but the dirt was as turn off. And there is oily dirt build up on the hood pad where the intake is. Were this Gump, I would say the oil bath was sloshing out. I wonder what is leaking oil. Left head or valve cover? Coolant is green. The owner took the car to the other local dealer for service. Why green water though? Opinions? Sales boy was scamming me with there is an offer on the car, but no cash on the table, yet SWMBA is putting the brakes on this. Test drive in the a.m. Card has a high limit, and she would get air miles. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
I really want a 280 engine. No need for V8 guzzling and lack of power because it got detuned anyway. Dual banks of things to go wrong with V8, and twice the expense. clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mar 23, 2012 9:53 AM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Converted to dual chain? If not, run. I will sell Clay the engine from my POS Euro 500SEL for $500. That would make a nice swap into a 380. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy and power. IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, not to mention they are far from efficient (if that term could be used to describe a V-8!) Dan On Mar 23, 2012, at 12:49 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: 1983 380SL Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
On Mar 23, 2012 10:18 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: All fresh hoses and rubber under the hood. PO was not mechanically inclined and just had dealer do all the work. ACC works, because the guy wanted the car fully functional and paid through the nose for that job. Yeah but... when all's said and done you still have a 380. You want collectible, go for an early or late car-- a minimal-smog 450 or a 560 in a good color. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy and power. IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world wherein minivans have 250+ hp). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
I took the advice below to heart when I bought my '83 380SL. Not looking for controversy nor plan to defend Stu's reputation but I wouldn't underestimate the single row chain issue. Dave Stu Ritter wrote: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:49:46 Some thoughts about the single row chain in the 81-83 380 models. I have always maintained that chains were cheap and we have changed these chains every 30,000 miles (I am very conservative with other peoples cars). Then the following.. a 1981 380SEC that I have maintained since new. REplaced chain at 30K, chain and updated cam sprockets at 60K and then at 82,000 with no warning, no noise, no nuttin', the chain snapped. The post mortem revealed that the sprockets inside the timing chest were so worn out they had damaged the chain. The idler sprocket, the distributor drive sprocket and the crankshaft sprocket were EXTREMELY worn out. I have now changed my point of view and we have been converting every car in my fleet. I called all of my customers within the affected range and told them to convert or sell. We have converted five now and the condition of the sprockets that we have taken out makes me think of a bomb, sitting there just ticking away. I now believe the conversion really needs to be done.. Stu Ritter On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:21 AM, clay monroe wrote: I really want a 280 engine. No need for V8 guzzling and lack of power because it got detuned anyway. Dual banks of things to go wrong with V8, and twice the expense. clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mar 23, 2012 9:53 AM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Converted to dual chain? If not, run. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Very true that. I was looking at the swapping out of trans and diff to get the needed power. The later set makes up for how detuned the 560 was, but does not bolt on well to the older engine. Guess I take the 380 and de californicate it. Should be some bhp gain in losing the cat and other hobbling gear clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy and power. IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, not to mention they are far from efficient (if that term could be used to describe a V-8!) Dan On Mar 23, 2012, at 12:49 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: 1983 380SL Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
On Mar 23, 2012 10:51 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Guess I take the 380 and de californicate it. My Euro 500 has no smoggery on it at all... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
I am jonesing for the early 450sl, since it is simple and sort of easy to work with. All the smog and ABS or computer mess is not for me. Seeing all the $ that replacing that stuff entails when it fails, just does not spark my plugs. A simple euro 280sl grey market with hand crank windows and no AC. That is the dream. This one on the stealership floor, though, is like a 30 year old dame. She has great skin still, motor runs sweet, and she will take you where you want to go. Does not drink or smoke, no fad diet, so she has a bit of a girlish figure still. clay had to stop, because it was veering toward banned On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mar 23, 2012 10:18 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: All fresh hoses and rubber under the hood. PO was not mechanically inclined and just had dealer do all the work. ACC works, because the guy wanted the car fully functional and paid through the nose for that job. Yeah but... when all's said and done you still have a 380. You want collectible, go for an early or late car-- a minimal-smog 450 or a 560 in a good color. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
I am not interested in power. I want a calm and agreeable ride. Remember, I am from the Gump school of car love. clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy and power. IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world wherein minivans have 250+ hp). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
My thinking exactly. If I wanted a race car, I would buy a Porsche. That's one of the reasons why the 380SEL appeals to me. A beautiful chassis with an engine that is relatively simple to service and economical to drive. Dan On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:58 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am not interested in power. I want a calm and agreeable ride. Remember, I am from the Gump school of car love. clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy and power. IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world wherein minivans have 250+ hp). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
No, I haven't, and I probably should have clarified my response to cover the 450SL only, which is the model I know the most about in the 107 line. I researched and inspected literally 30+ of these back in 2003-4 when I was seriously considering purchasing a 450SL. I saw so many negative things on that model while doing so that it completely jaded me in regards to it. These things are a dime a dozen in Florida, for some reason, and they all have the same issues in various levels. And they are typically overpriced for the condition as well. I have no doubt that by the time the 560SL came out much of this was ironed out. That and the fact that there is a considerable increase in horsepower between the models only makes sense that the 560SL would be far better. However, at the time the 560s were out of my price range, so they were never under consideration. Dan On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy and power. IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world wherein minivans have 250+ hp). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
FWIW, here's a list of the upgrades to the 560SL from the previous R1076's. According to MB, the following are among the items that were changed for the 560SL (only version 107.048): Different spring rate Harder shocks with shorter travel Larger torsion bar (up 1mm to 26mm) Front axle carrier (backwards compatible to previous 107/114/115) Front lower ctrl arm (extended to change geometry; 124 balljoint) Front upper ctrl arm (change of materials; replaceable balljoint) Steering knuckle/arm (from 124) Front hub (from 124/201) Brake discs (from 124/201) Steering (less travel, different pump) Prop shaft carrier (124; changed shape of tunnel to accommodate) Rear diff carrier (to get rid of the SL rear diff whine; better isolation, different mounts, and subframe mts left/right are different) Axle shafts (from SEC, but no vibration dampers) Fuel tank mount (because of the changed diff suspension) A-pillars (they don't say what changed) B-pillars (126 locks and strikers required redesign) Doors (126 door handles) Main floor (changed stiffening) Rear floor (?) Hood (cutout for larger brake booster) Firewall (presumably for the booster) Seats (more side bolstering) And of course, the front skirt was changed and they added the little spoiler. John On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: No, I haven't, and I probably should have clarified my response to cover the 450SL only, which is the model I know the most about in the 107 line. I researched and inspected literally 30+ of these back in 2003-4 when I was seriously considering purchasing a 450SL. I saw so many negative things on that model while doing so that it completely jaded me in regards to it. These things are a dime a dozen in Florida, for some reason, and they all have the same issues in various levels. And they are typically overpriced for the condition as well. I have no doubt that by the time the 560SL came out much of this was ironed out. That and the fact that there is a considerable increase in horsepower between the models only makes sense that the 560SL would be far better. However, at the time the 560s were out of my price range, so they were never under consideration. Dan On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy and power. IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world wherein minivans have 250+ hp). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
In the case described below, I'm reasonably certain that the new chain on worn out sprockets was no better than, and probably worse than, leaving the old chain that was worn to match the sprockets installed. Now I'm left wondering what the crank and IP sprockets look like when we roll a new chain into a 617, but I'd bet money that all the sprockets on the 380 were in sad shape and the mechanic who replaced the cam sprockets should have known that the other sprockets were in similar condition. Chains should be replaced before they wear much, or the new chain should go in with new sprockets. Mitch. Dave in SoCal wrote: I took the advice below to heart when I bought my '83 380SL. Not looking for controversy nor plan to defend Stu's reputation but I wouldn't underestimate the single row chain issue. Dave Stu Ritter wrote: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:49:46 Some thoughts about the single row chain in the 81-83 380 models. I have always maintained that chains were cheap and we have changed these chains every 30,000 miles (I am very conservative with other peoples cars). Then the following.. a 1981 380SEC that I have maintained since new. REplaced chain at 30K, chain and updated cam sprockets at 60K and then at 82,000 with no warning, no noise, no nuttin', the chain snapped. The post mortem revealed that the sprockets inside the timing chest were so worn out they had damaged the chain. The idler sprocket, the distributor drive sprocket and the crankshaft sprocket were EXTREMELY worn out. I have now changed my point of view and we have been converting every car in my fleet. I called all of my customers within the affected range and told them to convert or sell. We have converted five now and the condition of the sprockets that we have taken out makes me think of a bomb, sitting there just ticking away. I now believe the convers io n really needs to be done.. Stu Ritter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] More Oil Line Silliness
Okay. Another dumb question. Would it make any sense to apply anti-seize or Teflon tape to the oil cooler threads upon re-assembly? I am leaning toward anti-seize. As it turns out, I have had bronchitis for the last week, and didn't get to work on it much, save for hosing the threads with PB Blaster every other day. Hopefully, I don't have to do them on this car again, but if I do, I doubt that I will have the luxury of waiting a week for a penetrant to do it's thing. Not that being ill is a luxury. In fact, it sucked. Darn near got pneumonia. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Aluminum washer
Curt Raymond wrote: This is good information. I'm going to order one of the new type from Rusty but will hold it in reserve and try to anneal what I have. I *think* my IR thermometer goes to 799F so it seems like I should be able to get in the right range using it and my plumbers torch if I'm careful. Getting an accurate reading from a shiny, non-black surface with an IR thermometer can be iffy. I've annealed copper washers a couple times now with good results. Copper is easy 'cause it doesn't melt before it glows. *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
