[MBZ] CL idiot of the week- PNW Edition
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/2974323812.html Yeah, I want your incipient rust storm for $2k. This will take weeks of hard work to neutralize. And it will never be right. Insurance already paid him off, and this is criminal clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
I drove 25 minutes to work this morning in cool "February in April" weather and couldn't get the old smell. Maybe the Lysol did the trick (I should be so lucky). 87 yesterday. today was warmer. Hardly Feb weather! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Headlights from the Black Lagoon
While waiting for the proper spark wires to come from Rusty, I got excited when UPS guy dropped a box on the porch. Not the needed wires, will have to call Rusty in the morning to see if they are back order. Big box of scary. Well, actually eBay batch of euro lights for the SL. Been looking all over, and nobody seemed to have the sets anymore. Ebay sellers were wanting near thousand for each, but this guy had a killer deal. Nasty looking things, a pair, and going cheap. Last day of bidding they were getting too much interest, so I put in big bid at top of what I thought they were worth. Won a pair of euro lights for $325 and shipping. These are not going on right away. I knew that bidding. From the listing, at least one had a dead reflector. Either muck or rust. Turns out it was rust. And not just the one. The other looked shiny, but on closer inspection it had lost all adhesion and was like sunburn skin on the shell. These were somebody's flood damage headlamps from the Black Lagoon. The first one was a mess. Rusted up all over and full of oxidation to the pot metal as well as desiccated remains of mold/slime/muck on the glass and side marker. Spring metal looked like it would fail if I passed gas near it. Got the glass off and into a tub of vinegar water. Used dental pick to coax the rubber seals off and attack the tartar all over. Putty knife and fine steel wool got most of the big crud off, picks and hand motivated wire brush took the tight spaces. Got it almost ready for paint prep to seal up the damage from further assault. I will need to source the small rubber bits and vac actuated level controls that hold it all in the frame. Second headlight decided to come apart without need of hack saw on the aiming screws (unlike the first). IT was not going to let go of the glass. Guess that is ok. Not leaking and if it wants to be air tight, I agree. No massive oxidation or corrosion, so I can do hand touch up to the frame and get it ready for the reflector bucket. These buckets are almost toast. Might be able to find a chrome shop to strip and rebuild the few holes and then triple plate. That would be totally sweet. If I am able to source a vendor of just the buckets, then I will have a much easier go of it. Nice thing about the reflector is that it is all the same left or right but for the rivet bits. I can remove the attachments and pop them onto the new. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or floating gas?
> Philip wrote: > I do it every time I drive one of my cars with a manual > transmission. > > -- Philip, who floats more shifts than he clutchs. Mountain Man wrote: I have 3 pedals in my 240D. Teach me? Are there youtube videos showing this... I wonder? Sounds like a nice challenge... if I can keep from wrecking things. YouTube - huh? Well, I suppose I could make one. Right now I have no spare time though... The text version. Start with the 3-4 shift. It's the easiest. Do everything just like you would using the clutch - just don't press the clutch pedal. The "trick" is to not actually pull the shifter into 4th until the transmission lets you. With very slight pressure against the synchros, it's possible to feel when the speed matches. At that point, a quick "snink" and it's in gear. Hey, you could drive down here to southern MO and help with my car work and I'll teach you how to float the shifts! -- Philip, with a never shrinking list of car work to do ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
...I think you need a feminine nose for the final test Hah! My wife's always asking me to smell this or that out of the refrigerator in order to see if it's still good. Noses vary. It's not sex-linked. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or floating gas?
At 07:59 PM 4/25/2012, mao wrote: -- Philip wrote: > I do it every time I drive one of my cars with a manual > transmission. > > -- Philip, who floats more shifts than he clutchs. I have 3 pedals in my 240D. Teach me? Are there youtube videos showing this... I wonder? Sounds like a nice challenge... if I can keep from wrecking things. mao You don't need but two pedals - brake and accelerator. Begin with the engine off. Shift into low (you will find you can do this without using the clutch). Use the starter motor to get rolling and start the engine at the same time. Speed up the engine, then let up on the accelerator until there is no load on the engine. You will find the gear lever now can be moved to neutral. Lower the engine speed to be what is right for the vehicle speed in second gear. Gently slide the gear lever into second. Proceed through the other gears in the same manner. Of course in downshifting you will be temporarily speeding the engine in neutral to match the gear speeds. Just remember to shift into neutral before you stop. Then, to get going again turn off the engine, shift into low and use the starter motor. I did this for some years with a heavy farm truck. Didn't seem to hurt it. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The introduction of a new weapon is the high point of its effectiveness and the low point of its efficiency. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data
That would be a GREAT system! Wish someone had paid you "happy money" for it, and put it place! On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:46 PM, G Mann wrote: > Way back in 2005 I designed and copyrighted a medical file system that had > a patient card which remained with the patient and held the entire patients > medical history from birth [potentially]. The attending Dr. would have > access to the patients medical record and be able to see any previous > treatment or prescribed meds and would make entry on that patients > electronic card for the treatment he provided. Concurrently, for his own > patient file [and insurance [CYA] ] he could copy what treatment HE/SHE > provided to the patient but could "read only" any other Drs. treatment. > > The card would come to the Dr. with the patient and leave with the > patient.. It would be the sole ownership of the patient and thus the sole > responsibility of the patient. If the person were in an accident and > rushed to ER, and had the med card on them, the emergency treating staff > would have the entire patients history available to them for immediate > reference [perhaps saving lives and certainly saving time in that "golden > hour" window of trauma treatment]. By design, only certified medical > personnel would be able to access the information on the card. > > Some parts of the system I devised are now in use, however, as a total > system it has never been implemented.. Major point is, the patient record > stays with the patient and anything that is done with or to the patient > remains his/ her sole and privileged legal property. > > I thought the program design had merit when I devised it, still do. There > are other features in the design which speeds up payment to Drs. from > insurance companies, for example, and does the medical coding now required > as an international standard. > > Just a few million short of taking it all to market. So it goes on the > shelf along with my stuffed DoDo bird. > > FWIW... > > Grant... AZ > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:52 PM, OK Don wrote: > > > Yes, the privacy issues are real, and I don't think are being taken > > seriously enough. On the other hand, when my father was being treated for > > trigeminal neuralgia (sp?), I took him to six different doctors, due to > > referals. I had to fill out the demographic data, medical history, > current > > issues and treament to date six times, and three of the doctors worked in > > the same hospital system. A bit of electronic medical records, shared > > between the doctors with our permission, would certainly have made it a > > better experience, and might have reduced the false-starts in the > process. > > > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Mountain Man > > wrote: > > > > > Grant wrote: > > > > It will come.. just not in my remaining lifetime... likely.. > > > > > > Plus, we don't need to go see these information gatherers. Abe > > > Lincoln didn't have an exposure problem - stay away from the systems > > > and try to accomplish anonymity as much as possible - forget the > > > regulators and their schemes. Yes, that means voluntarily limiting > > > participation in the 'wonders' of technology today. Tech ain't all it > > > means to be - it seems more a nemesis than benefit. Similarly health > > > care seems more a nemesis than benefit. Keep away from their systems > > > and live like the billions of persons that have lived, then died on > > > the plane to date and we might be better off than "...in the year > > > 2525, if man is still alive" > > > mao > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > OK Don > > 2001 ML320 > > 1992 300D 2.5T > > 1990 300D 2.5T > > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Couple parts questions
I didn't mean to send that to the list ;) He says $85. We'll see how hard it is to install -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:17:59 -0400 From: Larry T To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Couple parts questions Message-ID: <4f983fd7.9040...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey Curt - Can you let me know what Rusty says? I need the same piece... Thx -- LarryT 78 240D 91 300D On 4/23/2012 10:16 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Rusty, > > For an '78 240D, can you get the black plastic trim that goes over the > aluminum trim that hangs on the rain gutter? I don't know what its called. > > Also an '84 190D, I need the rear muffler. > > Thanks! > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
I used to drive my 1951 VW manual, no synchro at all, with no clutch - match the engine speed when down shifting just as if you'd double clutched, but with more accuracy, or "crunch". Granted, the power used ws considerably less (25hp when new). On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Fmiser wrote: > > > Peter Hertzing wrote: > > > > > > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic > > > transmissions because they couldn't find drivers who could > > > drive manual tranny's. I remmeber when the same thing > > > happened to the bus line I was driving for. Sad day and > > > definitly less quality drivers. > > > Craig wrote: > > > > I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I > > took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, > > non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift > > and did a very good job of it. > > Double-clutch on every shift? That's a lot of extra effort. > A fair driver should be able to single clutch on all up-shifts and save > the effort of double-clutching for down-shifts. > > A good driver will float all the up-shifts. > > -- Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids
Nope - tyvek or something - I just missed that the first time around. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: > Alles. > There was some mention of teflon patches over some vents that blew off as > designed after liftoff. (?) > Maybe I'm mis-remembering or mis-conscrewing? > > > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > > > > > > From: OK Don > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:53 PM > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids > > > >I wondered if that was foam coming off the external hydrogen tank, or > tiles > >--- > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or floating gas?
-- Philip wrote: > I do it every time I drive one of my cars with a manual > transmission. > > -- Philip, who floats more shifts than he clutchs. I have 3 pedals in my 240D. Teach me? Are there youtube videos showing this... I wonder? Sounds like a nice challenge... if I can keep from wrecking things. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data
Allan wrote: > Was just reading that contact with our health care system is the fifth > leading cause of death in this country. Eh... Life ain't all its cracked up to be... Easy to say as I am still breathing and ticker is still doin' its thing... mao - purely expendable ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data
What we need is the ability to share simple data such as diagnosis and current medications so that doctors can communicate regarding care. Does no favors to our system when a doc orders a ct that the patient had last month cause it's easier then getting the result from another doctor. Same with demographic info. Insane that a swooped credit card cant be used to load that into the system for billing purposes. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:52 PM, OK Don wrote: > Yes, the privacy issues are real, and I don't think are being taken > seriously enough. On the other hand, when my father was being treated for > trigeminal neuralgia (sp?), I took him to six different doctors, due to > referals. I had to fill out the demographic data, medical history, current > issues and treament to date six times, and three of the doctors worked in > the same hospital system. A bit of electronic medical records, shared > between the doctors with our permission, would certainly have made it a > better experience, and might have reduced the false-starts in the process. > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > >> Grant wrote: >>> It will come.. just not in my remaining lifetime... likely.. >> >> Plus, we don't need to go see these information gatherers. Abe >> Lincoln didn't have an exposure problem - stay away from the systems >> and try to accomplish anonymity as much as possible - forget the >> regulators and their schemes. Yes, that means voluntarily limiting >> participation in the 'wonders' of technology today. Tech ain't all it >> means to be - it seems more a nemesis than benefit. Similarly health >> care seems more a nemesis than benefit. Keep away from their systems >> and live like the billions of persons that have lived, then died on >> the plane to date and we might be better off than "...in the year >> 2525, if man is still alive" >> mao >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 1992 300D 2.5T > 1990 300D 2.5T > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 03:12 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > Plus, we don't need to go see these information gatherers. Abe > Lincoln didn't have an exposure problem - stay away from the systems > and try to accomplish anonymity as much as possible - forget the > regulators and their schemes. Yes, that means voluntarily limiting > participation in the 'wonders' of technology today. Tech ain't all it > means to be - it seems more a nemesis than benefit. Similarly health > care seems more a nemesis than benefit. Keep away from their systems > and live like the billions of persons that have lived, then died on > the plane to date and we might be better off than "...in the year > 2525, if man is still alive" Was just reading that contact with our health care system is the fifth leading cause of death in this country. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or floating gas?
Max wrote: Hendrik & Fay wrote: Floating a gear means shifting without using a clutch, a good driver will be able to shift all gears, up and down, without using the clutch. Thanks, that's what I thought. Have done that "in extremis" but never well enough to feel comfortable that I wasn't harming the gear box. Unless you're VERY good, it's got to shorten the life of the syncros. I was that good about 25 years ago, could float my Saab with ease, but used the clutch most of the time to be safe. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or floating gas?
Hendrik & Fay wrote: >Floating a gear means shifting without using a clutch, a good driver >will be able to shift all gears, up and down, without using the clutch. > > Thanks, that's what I thought. Have done that "in extremis" but never well enough to feel comfortable that I wasn't harming the gear box. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
andrew strasfogel wrote: >I drove 25 minutes to work this morning in cool "February in April" >weather and couldn't get the old smell. Might be good news, but I think you need a feminine nose for the final test -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or floating gas?
> > > Philip wrote: > > > > > > A good driver will float all the up-shifts. > >On 25/04/12 17:40, Max wrote: > > > > What does it mean to "float an up-shift"? > Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Floating a gear means shifting without using a clutch, a good > driver will be able to shift all gears, up and down, without > using the clutch. Floating a down shift on a hill under load is quite tricky - and if you miss, it is _really_ tricky to get back in gear before it's necessary to use the brakes to keep the truck from rolling back downhill. Down-shifting in other situations is much easier. > Only possible in a non syncro box, well possible in a syncro > box but you will have to be within a few engine revs. Yes, the revolutions have to match, but the transmission help with that process. Floating the shift with a non-synchro transmission is a faster shift than is possible with a clutch or with a synchromesh transmission, but there is no "safety net" with the non-synchro so the driver is responsible for matching the revolutions. With a synchromesh transmission, the synchros prevent engagement until the revolutions match, so it's actually much easier - but because the engagement can't be anticipated, it's takes longer. I do it every time I drive one of my cars with a manual transmission. -- Philip, who floats more shifts than he clutchs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Couple parts questions
Hey Curt - Can you let me know what Rusty says? I need the same piece... Thx -- LarryT 78 240D 91 300D On 4/23/2012 10:16 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Rusty, For an '78 240D, can you get the black plastic trim that goes over the aluminum trim that hangs on the rain gutter? I don't know what its called. Also an '84 190D, I need the rear muffler. Thanks! -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Some years ago I seem to recall my driver showing me an inline 6 that was fuel injected in his "car". I believe he said something about it being able to burn a wide range of fuels. Dan On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > A buddy of mine worked with UPS many years ago to help design an engine for > the kind of driving the "cars" (the guy who started UPS insisted on this > terminology, and I think it was a firing offense to refer to them otherwise) > did, back after the initial fuel "shortage" in Jimmy Cahtah days. Diesel was > the chosen mode, and they had these proprietary engines designed and built to > use in their vehicles. I think that is why they were later crushed, to keep > the technology from being copied, and also to keep confusion down if someone > else had them running around. Don't know these days if they have standard > commercial engines or not, the technology probably caught up to provide good > economy and performance. > > Far as I know they are all still crushed after lifetime is exceeded. > > --R > > On 4/25/12 10:35 AM, Allan Streib wrote: >> UPS trucks do a lot of slow, stop and go, city driving. Diesel might not be >> the best choice. Also the difference in the per-gallon price between diesel >> and gasoline is getting pretty large, and diesel engines are more expensive >> initially. >> >> UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They >> sell them off after a couple of years. >> >> Allan >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 07:39 PM, WILTON wrote: >>> #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck >>> sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the >>> usual Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks." >>> >>> BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. >>> >>> Wilton >>> '87 300D (126 kmi) >>> '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Allan Streib wrote: > > > I don't see how selling the "cars" could create liability, once a vehicle > > is sold the prior owner is no longer liable I would not think. > > Unless the prior owner designed said vehicle, then he'd be on the hook for > any > product liability concerns. I see them using Sprinters around here, certainly they did not design those. Are the traditional UPS "cars" of their own design? That seems crazy. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
I drove 25 minutes to work this morning in cool "February in April" weather and couldn't get the old smell. Maybe the Lysol did the trick (I should be so lucky). On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > In my experience, once the heater core is contaminated externally, you will > never get rid of the smell unless you remove it and wash it. At that point > you can pressure test it directly. > > I had a smelly heater core in a VW, I removed the core and pressure tested it > and it didn't leak. What I suspect is that a PO put stop-leak in the system > after the leak started, sealing it. But the smell remained until I cleaned > the core. Actually I just replaced it because I didn't want to deal with any > later problems. > > Allan > > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 05:16 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: >> Well, obviously, there are no guarantees, but, if it won't hold >> pressure, then it is leaking somewhere. If you cannot see evidence of >> leakage under the hood, then it may be sufficient evidence to cause you >> to look further into it. >> >> One other alternate idea might be to disconnect the heater core and >> flush it out with water to rid it of the anti-freeze and then run for a >> bit with the heater core out of the system and see if the smell >> disappears. I am not familiar with your particular car but if there is a >> heater hose in and one coming out, one should be able to connect the two >> hoses together under the hood and leave the heater core out of the loop. >> >> Randy > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Allan Streib wrote: I don't see how selling the "cars" could create liability, once a vehicle is sold the prior owner is no longer liable I would not think. Unless the prior owner designed said vehicle, then he'd be on the hook for any product liability concerns. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: > On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:35 AM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > > > UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They > > sell them off after a couple of years. > > > No. Some package cars are quite old. > Also, as Tarek (sp) stated earlier, the retired package cars are destroyed, > presumably for liability reasons. I stand corrected, I had assumed like most vehicle fleets they didn't keep anything past a fairly recent vintage. I don't see how selling the "cars" could create liability, once a vehicle is sold the prior owner is no longer liable I would not think. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
A buddy of mine worked with UPS many years ago to help design an engine for the kind of driving the "cars" (the guy who started UPS insisted on this terminology, and I think it was a firing offense to refer to them otherwise) did, back after the initial fuel "shortage" in Jimmy Cahtah days. Diesel was the chosen mode, and they had these proprietary engines designed and built to use in their vehicles. I think that is why they were later crushed, to keep the technology from being copied, and also to keep confusion down if someone else had them running around. Don't know these days if they have standard commercial engines or not, the technology probably caught up to provide good economy and performance. Far as I know they are all still crushed after lifetime is exceeded. --R On 4/25/12 10:35 AM, Allan Streib wrote: UPS trucks do a lot of slow, stop and go, city driving. Diesel might not be the best choice. Also the difference in the per-gallon price between diesel and gasoline is getting pretty large, and diesel engines are more expensive initially. UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They sell them off after a couple of years. Allan On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 07:39 PM, WILTON wrote: #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the usual Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks." BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. Wilton '87 300D (126 kmi) '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:35 AM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They > sell them off after a couple of years. No. Some package cars are quite old. Also, as Tarek (sp) stated earlier, the retired package cars are destroyed, presumably for liability reasons. Rick Who works for UPS Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:09 AM, TE wrote: > UPS destroys their package cars when they are retired from service. First, > the package car is stripped of its badging, decals, etc. Next it is painted > white, crushed to pieces and photographed. Really? I had no idea. Why is that? Doesn't seem to make sense, on the surface. Why not get the residual value on the used market? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 07:50 PM, Craig wrote: > I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and > from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission. > He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it. When I was a kid my school bus was a manual shift. The grandmotherly woman who drove it did a fine job too. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
UPS trucks do a lot of slow, stop and go, city driving. Diesel might not be the best choice. Also the difference in the per-gallon price between diesel and gasoline is getting pretty large, and diesel engines are more expensive initially. UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They sell them off after a couple of years. Allan On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 07:39 PM, WILTON wrote: > #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck > sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the usual > Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks." > > BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. > > Wilton > '87 300D (126 kmi) > '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
In my experience, once the heater core is contaminated externally, you will never get rid of the smell unless you remove it and wash it. At that point you can pressure test it directly. I had a smelly heater core in a VW, I removed the core and pressure tested it and it didn't leak. What I suspect is that a PO put stop-leak in the system after the leak started, sealing it. But the smell remained until I cleaned the core. Actually I just replaced it because I didn't want to deal with any later problems. Allan On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 05:16 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > Well, obviously, there are no guarantees, but, if it won't hold > pressure, then it is leaking somewhere. If you cannot see evidence of > leakage under the hood, then it may be sufficient evidence to cause you > to look further into it. > > One other alternate idea might be to disconnect the heater core and > flush it out with water to rid it of the anti-freeze and then run for a > bit with the heater core out of the system and see if the smell > disappears. I am not familiar with your particular car but if there is a > heater hose in and one coming out, one should be able to connect the two > hoses together under the hood and leave the heater core out of the loop. > > Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
Yes, the ACC does switch between "more" and "less" outside air but it's always drawing _some_ outside air. In max AC mode it would be mostly recirculating. I don't agree that a pressure test would identify a leaking core. The leak may be very small, but enough to produce a detectable smell. Also if the heater valve is not open when the pressure test is done, the core is isolated from the rest of the system. Allan On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 04:44 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: > One other hint: The smell is intermittent and seems to get activated > when the ACC "clicks" to another mode or function. Does the ACC > switch between outside and recirculating air and if so, when? > > And does everyone agree that a pressure test of the cooling system > would definitively either rule out or implicate a leak in the heater > core? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Grubbing around under Frosch
> clay monroe wrote: > Did not drain the TC, but it can not hold all that > much. Got it buttoned back up and poured four quarts of Mobil > 1 in. > the manual shows it takes seven liters, but that is just weird > it only took four. That means there's 3 liters of old fluid in the torque converter. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or floating gas?
Floating a gear means shifting without using a clutch, a good driver will be able to shift all gears, up and down, without using the clutch. Only possible in a non syncro box, well possible in a syncro box but you will have to be within a few engine revs. Hendrik who hasn't floated gears for a long time On 25/04/12 17:40, Max wrote: A good driver will float all the up-shifts. -- Philip What does it mean to "float an up-shift"? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Ridin da dawg! --R On 4/25/12 9:00 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: On a Harley 74 on the old three lane road between Washington and Richmond, tried to pass a Greyhound. Got even with it but couldn't do it because the oil temperature got too high. This was in 1948. There were two of us on the bike. Might have done it with only one. "Oh Lord, before I'm turned to dust, please let me pass a Greyhound bus." Gerry From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> "one of these day's I wanna run the wheels right off... a greyhound bus..." I think that is Red Sovine isn't it? The oldtime truckdriver's lament. Back when men were men, and the US dominated the world. NO whiny wusses like we have now. nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or 8v71 behind you. When you get it down its like butter. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing wrote: > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions > because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's. I > remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving > for. Sad day and definitly less quality drivers. I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4957 - Release Date: 04/24/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On a Harley 74 on the old three lane road between Washington and Richmond, tried to pass a Greyhound. Got even with it but couldn't do it because the oil temperature got too high. This was in 1948. There were two of us on the bike. Might have done it with only one. "Oh Lord, before I'm turned to dust, please let me pass a Greyhound bus." Gerry From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> "one of these day's I wanna run the wheels right off... a greyhound bus..." I think that is Red Sovine isn't it? The oldtime truckdriver's lament. Back when men were men, and the US dominated the world. NO whiny wusses like we have now. nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or 8v71 behind you. When you get it down its like butter. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing wrote: > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions > because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's. I > remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving > for. Sad day and definitly less quality drivers. I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4957 - Release Date: 04/24/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Nope, only LNG. To be honest, these things are so few and far in between at UPS, they are used more as a PR tool than a delivery tool. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas? TE wrote: >LNG has always been a part of the UPS fleet, though in limited >quantities and only in select areas (e.g. the Pleasantdale GA hub). Are any of these bi-fuel (LNG or #2 diesel)? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
TE wrote: >LNG has always been a part of the UPS fleet, though in limited >quantities >and only in select areas (e.g. the Pleasantdale GA hub). Are any of these bi-fuel (LNG or #2 diesel)? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Brian Toscano wrote: >http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diesel-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/ > > That is good news, I think we'll see more and more LNG and CNG vehicles, which will pressure OPEC / Saudis to lower the price of oil. Then I can drive flat out for less money, critters and slow drivers be da##ed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
> >A good driver will float all the up-shifts. > >-- Philip > What does it mean to "float an up-shift"? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
> > Peter Hertzing wrote: > > > > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic > > transmissions because they couldn't find drivers who could > > drive manual tranny's. I remmeber when the same thing > > happened to the bus line I was driving for. Sad day and > > definitly less quality drivers. > Craig wrote: > > I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I > took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, > non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift > and did a very good job of it. Double-clutch on every shift? That's a lot of extra effort. A fair driver should be able to single clutch on all up-shifts and save the effort of double-clutching for down-shifts. A good driver will float all the up-shifts. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
