Re: [MBZ] Low mileage '86 300SDL, but nearly $14K?

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:

On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:05:35 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:


Craig wrote:


Guess which one drew the most attention!

http://bringatrailer.com/2013/01/31/bat-exclusive-1969-alfa-romeo-duetto-1750-spider/


Mine was 10 years earlier than that one. It was a 1959 Giulietta Spyder
Veloce. Quite the little sports car.


The Graduate drove a Duetto, didn't he?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] More guns

[Mitch Haley]

clay monroe wrote:

We are talking about the boys who were having a hooker party in a banana 
republic while scouting out the lay of the land for POTUS, right?



Which beats the heck out of framing innocent citizens on trumped up charges, eh?

http://www.examiner.com/article/court-grants-new-trial-to-new-mexico-gun-dealer-family

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Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks

[Curt Raymond]

Wha? Having not done any research at all I'd assumed you'd be looking for 
$5-10k...

I'd do $2k for sure!

-Curt

Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:43:15 -0600
From: OK Don 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Update --

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers
>> make money
>>
>
> Nothing to stop you from paying it off in a month or so.
>
> Or you can negotiate a financing deal then switch to cash after you have
> the price set.
>
> Mitch.
>
>

After harrassing/being harrassed at the Dodge, Chevy, GMC, and two Fords
dealers, we placed an order for an F150 this afternoon.  It's relatively
basic, with a few options due to advancing age, and the 5.0L V8. We expect
to drive the value out of this truck, and hope that it will be last car we
buy (unless I start "playing" with cars again someday). The "X Partner
Plan" from our EAA membership helped seal the deal with Ford - saved ~
$2000 based on that $50/year membership. Yes - Ford financing gets another
$1500 off the price, with a minimum financed of $10,000. You have to make
at least four payments, but the first one can be all but $1000 of the
balance. The next three will then be minimal, and carry very little
interest.

Haven't negotiated the trade-ins yet - the ML320 is still up for grabs. I
expect to get offered near the Edmunds trade-in value of $1760 for it. Any
offers higher than that?

-- 
OK Don
2001 ML320
2012 Passat TDI DSG
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
1957 C182A

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Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel

[Max Dillon]

Yes, someday I will cross that bridge.  Not looking forward to it.

Glad to hear he was successful with your car.

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

clay monroe  wrote:

>Watch out, Max, yours is next.  Indy has three 606 engines that have
>the same issue this week.  Two of mine were welded/carboned in.  He was
>going to have to remove the head to get them out, but given that it
>would triple the repair bill, he spent four hours slowly torquing on
>them to get them out.  The other two E300D were newer and not as lucky.
>They have heads at the machine shop getting rebuilt.  This is a know
>issue with that engine.  Just a matter of time.  I have already had the
>head of this car to gain access to stuck GP.  Twice in 10 years dealing
>with them is a pain.
>
>clay
>

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Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

[Max Dillon]

Don't remember, have that saved somewhere.  Let me know if you'd like me to dig 
it up.

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Jim Cathey  wrote:

>> a small diesel engine was the test subject.
>
>Direct or indirect injection?  I thought one of the
>main reasons that MB used IDI engines was to better
>tolerate poor fuel.
>
>-- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

[Curt Raymond]

A rotary compressor no less, that car surely came with a York piston jobbie.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 02:24:57 -0500
From: Rick Hawkins Java 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] nice article BUT
Message-ID: <8bc5f3ba-8fc6-468a-b894-0d65778f7...@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;format=flowed;delsp=yes

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html

the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with  
air conditioning

if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with  
no belt


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd:OT - nifty folding bicycle

[Benz Hogs]

Looks very cool!  W/o a chain, what happens when the battery dies?  I 
see they thought of that, "By directly transforming electricity via an 
alternator connected to the crank, power is generated directly from the 
user."  Do they not know how hard it is to balance a bike when you're 
pedaling and NOT going anywhere?  FAIL!


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi)

On 1/30/2013 3:44 PM, David & Kristin Gilmore wrote:


  Looks like this would fit in the back of your Mercedes.



http://gadgets.feedbox.info/worlds-first-chainless-folding-electric-bike?utm_medium=teaser&utm_source=mgid&utm_term=7837&utm_campaign=exchange&utm_content=1387611#1




  Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

  By assuming the penalties of abstinence we breathe and exercise
the soul.



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Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

[Rolf]

Fwiw I contacted the eBay seller and asked him to post up at STD. His 190sl 
will be 605 powered.

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Max Dillon  wrote:

>Don't remember, have that saved somewhere.  Let me know if you'd like me to 
>dig it up.
>
>-- 
>Max Dillon
>Charleston SC
>'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
>Jim Cathey  wrote:
>
>>> a small diesel engine was the test subject.
>>
>>Direct or indirect injection?  I thought one of the
>>main reasons that MB used IDI engines was to better
>>tolerate poor fuel.
>>
>>-- Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

[Benz Hogs]

Oh, right, sorry I forgot that simple fact.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi)

On 2/1/2013 11:42 PM, clay monroe wrote:

Sorry Luther, these cars are meant to run for at least a million miles, as 
stated endlessly in countless CL listings.  I would expect to be able to do 
that sort of engine life on any fuel I could find that would detonate on 
compression.  Why do you limit yourself to such low mileage?

clay

On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:


Out of an old Benz diesel?  If properly cared for, greater than 500kmi.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (160,xxx mi)

On 2/1/2013 8:11 PM, OK Don wrote:

Ah, but someone has to try it to get that long term data. How much long
term life do you need from a 20-40 year old car?

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:


There is no  scientific research that shows long-term WVO use not causing
life-ending damage to a diesel engine. This is a reason no car
manufacturers are exploring WVO/VO as a viable fuel source.



Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (160,xxx mi)



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Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Rolf wrote:

Fwiw I contacted the eBay seller and asked him to post up at STD. His 190sl 
will be 605 powered.


Now that's a rare engine around here.
Was the 605 ever sold in North America?

I've long thought about converting a 2.3-16v to a 2.5-20v.
Aside from the cylinder head it would be very similar to the 1987 2.5 turbo, and 
I've got a 2.5 turbo parts car. If I put a 605 head and manifolds on the 602, 
along with a big bore 602 injection pump, should I call it a 605 or a 602 engine?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Low mileage '86 300SDL, but nearly $14K?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Someone needs to change the Subject line as the discussion as strayed
way off course.

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Craig wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:05:35 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>>> Craig wrote:
>>>
 Guess which one drew the most attention!
>>>
>>>
>>> http://bringatrailer.com/2013/01/31/bat-exclusive-1969-alfa-romeo-duetto-1750-spider/
>>
>>
>> Mine was 10 years earlier than that one. It was a 1959 Giulietta Spyder
>> Veloce. Quite the little sports car.
>
>
> The Graduate drove a Duetto, didn't he?
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

[Dieselhead]

Rolf wrote:
Fwiw I contacted the eBay seller and asked him to post up at STD. 
His 190sl will be 605 powered.


Now that's a rare engine around here.
Was the 605 ever sold in North America?

I've long thought about converting a 2.3-16v to a 2.5-20v.
Aside from the cylinder head it would be very similar to the 1987 
2.5 turbo, and I've got a 2.5 turbo parts car. If I put a 605 head 
and manifolds on the 602, along with a big bore 602 injection pump, 
should I call it a 605 or a 602 engine?


Mitch.


OM603.5  or maybe OM602/605 since OM603.5 might be confusticated with OM603.

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[MBZ] Of course WAS: Low mileage '86 300SDL, but nearly $14K?

[Dieselhead]

andrew sez:


Someone needs to change the Subject line as the discussion as strayed
way off course.



Way off course?   Na   Not HERE!  that could never happen


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[MBZ] The Graduate was Re: Low mileage '86 300SDL, but nearly $14K?

[Rick Knoble]

On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:18 AM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> The Graduate drove a Duetto, didn't he?


Yes, that is the car Dustin Hoffman drove in The Graduate. You didn't click the 
link I put up? Here it is again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDlAMjM-77Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

[WILTON]

'Strange that a glow plug READY light would turn red.  A red light to me has 
always meant DANGER - STOP - TAKE CARE OF PROBLEM, etc.  A green light to 
indicate READY seems much more logical to me, but, of course, I could be 
trained to know that red means READY in this "special" case if that's really 
the case.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Hawkins Java" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:24 AM
Subject: [MBZ] nice article BUT



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html

the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with  air 
conditioning


if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with  no 
belt



thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

[Jim Cathey]

'Strange that a glow plug READY light would turn red.  A red light to 
me has always meant DANGER - STOP - TAKE CARE OF PROBLEM, etc.


Red also stands for heat, fire, etc.  "It's hot, let's go!"
Or perhaps "STOP glowing!"

I'm OK with red.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender mu1u6ery

[Rolf]

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

[WILTON]

As I said, I can be trained to accept that, too, if I know that's what it 
means in a "special" case.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


'Strange that a glow plug READY light would turn red.  A red light to me 
has always meant DANGER - STOP - TAKE CARE OF PROBLEM, etc.


Red also stands for heat, fire, etc.  "It's hot, let's go!"
Or perhaps "STOP glowing!"

I'm OK with red.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender mu1u6ery

[Rick Knoble]

It happens. Something in your email tripped the spam filter. A link, certain 
words perhaps...

Rick
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On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:09 AM, "Rolf"  wrote:

>> Mail
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>> each 24 hours)

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[MBZ] Grrr list keeps saying Im spam!

[Rolf]

GRRR!

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[MBZ] OT Slow internet/Amazon today

[Max Dillon]

I'm trying to make a purchase on Amazon today, REALLY slow.

Is it me, or Amazon?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

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Re: [MBZ] Grrr list keeps saying Im spam!

[dseretakis]

Almost one third of the list messages end up in my spam folder. My own 
included. Been doing that for years,

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Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

[G Mann]

Isn't Permafrost a serious issue in Alaska when you dig a basement?  The
ground never really thaws below say 10 ft or so and the amount of ground
heave on winter freeze up would likely be extreme with each year walking
the basement footing out of position.

Just a question, not a statement. I don't "do Alaska winters".

Grant...

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> I have never been to alaska.  All I get are realtor postings and the pix
> do not show fuel tanks.  Given the length of the season, and difficulty in
> delivery, I would expect to have a 500-700 gallon tank to be able to heat
> homes.  And there are basements in the older homes.  Newer ones seem to
> have been built in the 80's and are split level cookie cutter homes.  Even
> newer ones also are split level, but have been built about as wide as the
> two car garage and put the living space over that and behind.  All without
> basement.
>
> clay
>
> On Jan 29, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> > No basements in Alaska?
> >
> > In New England most oil tanks live in the basement, no problems with
> fuel gelling. The folks who have their tanks outside generally live in
> trailers...
> >
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:21:04 -0800
> > From: clay monroe 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues
> > Message-ID: <832b9524-ae4a-4ebc-87d0-85196c15f...@comcast.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > A proportion of the NE heats with Citgo and that is underwritten by our
> buddy Hugo Chavez.  When he dies, that subsidy goes away.
> >
> > There is no great use of heating oil in Alaska that I am aware of.  Too
> much freeze to allow it to flow and severe enviro-weenie regulations that
> do not allow it to be stored under ground anyway.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:51 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> >
> >> You forget oil. Much of the northeast heats with oil.
> >>
> >> In older houses here hydronic is pretty common, usually in the form of
> baseboard hot water though theres still a fair amount of steam around. Its
> much easier to add (like in my house) baseboard than to run ducts for hot
> air.
> >>
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT Slow internet/Amazon today

[Rick Knoble]

Probably Amazon. Saturday shoppers and all. (tax time, snowy and cold, want to 
spend money, but don't want to leave the house...)

Rick
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:44 AM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

> Is it me, or Amazon?

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Re: [MBZ] Grrr list keeps saying Im spam! mu1u6ery

[Rick Knoble]

On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Rolf"  wrote:

> GRRR!


Just copy and paste mu1u6ery in the subject of everything you send today. If it 
wasn't for the spam filters the list would probably be inundated with trash 
email. 

Rick
Who remembers Grrr! was the pitch word for John Delorean's GTO. 
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[MBZ] On the subject of Alaska

[Gerry Archer]

Be sure and read last entry: "How Alaskans change oil.

http://www.greatlandofalaska.com/humor/jokes.html

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[MBZ] For all you toolophiles...

[dseretakis]

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] For all you toolophiles...

[Mitch Haley]

somebody forwarded an html ad from Snap-On?

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Re: [MBZ] For all you toolophiles...

[Craig]

On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 13:30:48 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> somebody forwarded an html ad from Snap-On?

And when the list emailer strips off the HTML, there is nothing left of
the ad.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender mu1u6ery

[Fmiser]

> > "Rolf"  forwarded a spam bounce message.

> Rick Knoble wrote:
>
> It happens. Something in your email tripped the spam filter. A
> link, certain words perhaps...

If you are sending HTML rather than plain text, that often
raises a spam score.  And if the reply address and the send-from
address don't match.  Beyond that, maybe someone else on
winmutt.com is sending spam. :)

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

[Fmiser]

> Mitch Haley wrote:

> If I put a 605 head and manifolds on the 602, along with a big
> bore 602 injection pump, should I call it a 605 or a 602
> engine?

603.5

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Re: [MBZ] Low mileage '86 300SDL, but nearly $14K?

[Kevin Kraly]

I'd sure pay 14k for this before I'd pay that for a riceburner or a
piece of deetriot iron...


When put that way, it sounds more appealing.  That SDL would easily run at 
least another 300K with proper maintenance.


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Re: [MBZ] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender mu1u6ery

[Benz Hogs]

Have you done the whitelist process for winmutt.com?  Until I did that 
for my domain, it was tagged as spam by some filters.  All problems were 
fixed by the whitelist process.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi)

On 2/2/2013 2:19 PM, Fmiser wrote:

"Rolf"  forwarded a spam bounce message.



Rick Knoble wrote:

It happens. Something in your email tripped the spam filter. A
link, certain words perhaps...


If you are sending HTML rather than plain text, that often
raises a spam score.  And if the reply address and the send-from
address don't match.  Beyond that, maybe someone else on
winmutt.com is sending spam. :)

--Philip



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Re: [MBZ] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender mu1u6ery

[Craig]

On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:35:23 -0600 Benz Hogs 
wrote:

> Have you done the whitelist process for winmutt.com?  Until I did that 
> for my domain, it was tagged as spam by some filters.  All problems
> were fixed by the whitelist process.

Where does one learn what the whitelist process is?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd:OT - nifty folding bicycle

[OK Don]

Wouldn't the crank/alternator power the wheel instead of (or in addition
to) charging the battery?

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> Looks very cool!  W/o a chain, what happens when the battery dies?  I see
> they thought of that, "By directly transforming electricity via an
> alternator connected to the crank, power is generated directly from the
> user."  Do they not know how hard it is to balance a bike when you're
> pedaling and NOT going anywhere?  FAIL!
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi)
>
>
> On 1/30/2013 3:44 PM, David & Kristin Gilmore wrote:
>
>>
>>   Looks like this would fit in the back of your Mercedes.
>>
>>
>>  http://gadgets.feedbox.info/**worlds-first-chainless-**
>>> folding-electric-bike?utm_**medium=teaser&utm_source=mgid&**
>>> utm_term=7837&utm_campaign=**exchange&utm_content=1387611#1
>>>
>>>
>>
>>   Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
>>
>>   By assuming the penalties of abstinence we breathe and exercise
>> the soul.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender mu1u6ery

[Benz Hogs]

I did by googling "whitelist a domain."  They send you a series of 
emails to confirm that you own the domain, then the [SPAM] tag magically 
disappears.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (160,xxx mi)

On 2/2/2013 3:13 PM, Craig wrote:

On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:35:23 -0600 Benz Hogs 
wrote:


Have you done the whitelist process for winmutt.com?  Until I did that
for my domain, it was tagged as spam by some filters.  All problems
were fixed by the whitelist process.


Where does one learn what the whitelist process is?


Craig




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[MBZ] ML320 for sale, was - pickem-up trucks

[OK Don]

Yup - trade-in "value" sucks on the owners end, is great on the dealers
end. A local used car dealer is asking $5300 for a '99 now (no idea how
many miles on it).

So, the opening bid is $2000, do I hear $2500?

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Wha? Having not done any research at all I'd assumed you'd be looking for
> $5-10k...
>
> I'd do $2k for sure!
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:43:15 -0600
> From: OK Don 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Update --
>
> > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> >
> >> Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers
> >> make money
> >>
> >
> > Nothing to stop you from paying it off in a month or so.
> >
> > Or you can negotiate a financing deal then switch to cash after you have
> > the price set.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> >
>
> After harrassing/being harrassed at the Dodge, Chevy, GMC, and two Fords
> dealers, we placed an order for an F150 this afternoon.  It's relatively
> basic, with a few options due to advancing age, and the 5.0L V8. We expect
> to drive the value out of this truck, and hope that it will be last car we
> buy (unless I start "playing" with cars again someday). The "X Partner
> Plan" from our EAA membership helped seal the deal with Ford - saved ~
> $2000 based on that $50/year membership. Yes - Ford financing gets another
> $1500 off the price, with a minimum financed of $10,000. You have to make
> at least four payments, but the first one can be all but $1000 of the
> balance. The next three will then be minimal, and carry very little
> interest.
>
> Haven't negotiated the trade-ins yet - the ML320 is still up for grabs. I
> expect to get offered near the Edmunds trade-in value of $1760 for it. Any
> offers higher than that?
>
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[MBZ] New Car (MB content)

[Dan Penoff]

Tarek and I were able to work out a deal this week, so I flew up to Raleigh 
yesterday and drove the S500 home.  Tarek's father was gracious enough to pick 
me up at the airport and follow me to the NC DMV so I could get a temp plate 
before I started south.  Trip was uneventful and I was resting in bed by 10:30 
that evening.

It got the full Mercedes Martha Stewart treatment today, which will continue 
tomorrow after I am finished with a maintenance outage at work on Sunday 
morning when we have to take an EVA down to replace some controllers. New 
windshield and probably a set of tires coming this week.  A few minor things 
I'll address, but everything is working (at least as far as I can tell! - this 
is a far more complex car than any other MB I've owned!) and any repairs it 
might need are minor.

In anticipation I have been trolling some of the MB forums and looking over 140 
related subject matter.

Is there an online service manual like there is of the W124s?  I could sure use 
some service literature for my benefit, but I'm not finding much.  I need to 
replace some lamps in the ACC panels and troubleshoot a vacuum door close 
assist actuator in the driver's door, so it would be nice to  be able to see 
the procedures before tearing in to things.

Anybody want an analog phone?  This car has the factory cell phone, but it's 
pretty much dead weight these days.  I would like to have the storage space 
back for the controller, which is in the storage area above the center ACC 
vents. I'm also curious as to how the inside of the console is configured of 
you didn't have the phone - right now the handset takes up about a third of the 
space next to the cup holders.

I'm also struggling over the Becker 1492.  While the sound system is fine for 
me, I really want an aux input for my iPod.  Not sure I want to do a swap with 
Ed or go aftermarket.  I'm concerned about the aesthetics if I went 
aftermarket, and I am a purist who likes to keep things bone stock.  This is 
going to be a difficult decision.

If anyone has any guidance on W140 web sites or resources, I'm all ears.

It's good to be back.  Just don't tell my Focus - I will miss filling up once a 
week for under $40.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)

[WILTON]

Congratulations; 'glad you had a rewarding and safe trip; 'sorry I couldn't 
meet you there.  My IVIG treatment went well, but I was right not to try to 
get out yesterday afternoon.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)


Tarek and I were able to work out a deal this week, so I flew up to 
Raleigh yesterday and drove the S500 home.  Tarek's father was gracious 
enough to pick me up at the airport and follow me to the NC DMV so I could 
get a temp plate before I started south.  Trip was uneventful and I was 
resting in bed by 10:30 that evening.


It got the full Mercedes Martha Stewart treatment today, which will 
continue tomorrow after I am finished with a maintenance outage at work on 
Sunday morning when we have to take an EVA down to replace some 
controllers. New windshield and probably a set of tires coming this week. 
A few minor things I'll address, but everything is working (at least as 
far as I can tell! - this is a far more complex car than any other MB I've 
owned!) and any repairs it might need are minor.


In anticipation I have been trolling some of the MB forums and looking 
over 140 related subject matter.


Is there an online service manual like there is of the W124s?  I could 
sure use some service literature for my benefit, but I'm not finding much. 
I need to replace some lamps in the ACC panels and troubleshoot a vacuum 
door close assist actuator in the driver's door, so it would be nice to 
be able to see the procedures before tearing in to things.


Anybody want an analog phone?  This car has the factory cell phone, but 
it's pretty much dead weight these days.  I would like to have the storage 
space back for the controller, which is in the storage area above the 
center ACC vents. I'm also curious as to how the inside of the console is 
configured of you didn't have the phone - right now the handset takes up 
about a third of the space next to the cup holders.


I'm also struggling over the Becker 1492.  While the sound system is fine 
for me, I really want an aux input for my iPod.  Not sure I want to do a 
swap with Ed or go aftermarket.  I'm concerned about the aesthetics if I 
went aftermarket, and I am a purist who likes to keep things bone stock. 
This is going to be a difficult decision.


If anyone has any guidance on W140 web sites or resources, I'm all ears.

It's good to be back.  Just don't tell my Focus - I will miss filling up 
once a week for under $40.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender mu1u6ery

[Craig]

On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:52:45 -0600 Benz Hogs 
wrote:

> On 2/2/2013 3:13 PM, Craig wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:35:23 -0600 Benz Hogs 
> > wrote:
> >> Have you done the whitelist process for winmutt.com?  Until I did
> >> that for my domain, it was tagged as spam by some filters.  All
> >> problems were fixed by the whitelist process.
> >
> > Where does one learn what the whitelist process is?
>
> I did by googling "whitelist a domain."  They send you a series of 
> emails to confirm that you own the domain, then the [SPAM] tag
> magically disappears.

I did the googling. The vast majority of the things I found are how to add
a domain to one's email client for one's incoming email.

The only thing I found that would allow one to whitelist one's own domain
on the spamblocker's lists was an outdated Spamhaus program at
http://www.spamhauswhitelist.com/en/ that required an invitation from
someone already on their whitelist.

Any more hints?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)

[Dan Penoff]

Beautiful day up there, but boy, was it windy!  The guys flying the MD-80 I 
flew in on from ATL were complaining after we touched down about how bad it was.

Maybe next time...

Dan


On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:21 PM, WILTON wrote:

> Congratulations; 'glad you had a rewarding and safe trip; 'sorry I couldn't 
> meet you there.  My IVIG treatment went well, but I was right not to try to 
> get out yesterday afternoon.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
> To: "Mercedes List" 
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:13 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)
> 
> 
>> Tarek and I were able to work out a deal this week, so I flew up to Raleigh 
>> yesterday and drove the S500 home.  Tarek's father was gracious enough to 
>> pick me up at the airport and follow me to the NC DMV so I could get a temp 
>> plate before I started south.  Trip was uneventful and I was resting in bed 
>> by 10:30 that evening.
>> 
>> It got the full Mercedes Martha Stewart treatment today, which will continue 
>> tomorrow after I am finished with a maintenance outage at work on Sunday 
>> morning when we have to take an EVA down to replace some controllers. New 
>> windshield and probably a set of tires coming this week. A few minor things 
>> I'll address, but everything is working (at least as far as I can tell! - 
>> this is a far more complex car than any other MB I've owned!) and any 
>> repairs it might need are minor.
>> 
>> In anticipation I have been trolling some of the MB forums and looking over 
>> 140 related subject matter.
>> 
>> Is there an online service manual like there is of the W124s?  I could sure 
>> use some service literature for my benefit, but I'm not finding much. I need 
>> to replace some lamps in the ACC panels and troubleshoot a vacuum door close 
>> assist actuator in the driver's door, so it would be nice to be able to see 
>> the procedures before tearing in to things.
>> 
>> Anybody want an analog phone?  This car has the factory cell phone, but it's 
>> pretty much dead weight these days.  I would like to have the storage space 
>> back for the controller, which is in the storage area above the center ACC 
>> vents. I'm also curious as to how the inside of the console is configured of 
>> you didn't have the phone - right now the handset takes up about a third of 
>> the space next to the cup holders.
>> 
>> I'm also struggling over the Becker 1492.  While the sound system is fine 
>> for me, I really want an aux input for my iPod.  Not sure I want to do a 
>> swap with Ed or go aftermarket.  I'm concerned about the aesthetics if I 
>> went aftermarket, and I am a purist who likes to keep things bone stock. 
>> This is going to be a difficult decision.
>> 
>> If anyone has any guidance on W140 web sites or resources, I'm all ears.
>> 
>> It's good to be back.  Just don't tell my Focus - I will miss filling up 
>> once a week for under $40.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)

[Mitch Haley]

How about an FM transmitter for the iPod and no modification to the car?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Congrats. There may be a 140 DVD somewhere but really the 140 and later cars 
are covered by the WIS. you will also need the xentry system to do any sort of 
in depth work on the thing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Tarek and I were able to work out a deal this week, so I flew up to Raleigh 
> yesterday and drove the S500 home.  Tarek's father was gracious enough to 
> pick me up at the airport and follow me to the NC DMV so I could get a temp 
> plate before I started south.  Trip was uneventful and I was resting in bed 
> by 10:30 that evening.
> 
> It got the full Mercedes Martha Stewart treatment today, which will continue 
> tomorrow after I am finished with a maintenance outage at work on Sunday 
> morning when we have to take an EVA down to replace some controllers. New 
> windshield and probably a set of tires coming this week.  A few minor things 
> I'll address, but everything is working (at least as far as I can tell! - 
> this is a far more complex car than any other MB I've owned!) and any repairs 
> it might need are minor.
> 
> In anticipation I have been trolling some of the MB forums and looking over 
> 140 related subject matter.
> 
> Is there an online service manual like there is of the W124s?  I could sure 
> use some service literature for my benefit, but I'm not finding much.  I need 
> to replace some lamps in the ACC panels and troubleshoot a vacuum door close 
> assist actuator in the driver's door, so it would be nice to  be able to see 
> the procedures before tearing in to things.
> 
> Anybody want an analog phone?  This car has the factory cell phone, but it's 
> pretty much dead weight these days.  I would like to have the storage space 
> back for the controller, which is in the storage area above the center ACC 
> vents. I'm also curious as to how the inside of the console is configured of 
> you didn't have the phone - right now the handset takes up about a third of 
> the space next to the cup holders.
> 
> I'm also struggling over the Becker 1492.  While the sound system is fine for 
> me, I really want an aux input for my iPod.  Not sure I want to do a swap 
> with Ed or go aftermarket.  I'm concerned about the aesthetics if I went 
> aftermarket, and I am a purist who likes to keep things bone stock.  This is 
> going to be a difficult decision.
> 
> If anyone has any guidance on W140 web sites or resources, I'm all ears.
> 
> It's good to be back.  Just don't tell my Focus - I will miss filling up once 
> a week for under $40.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)

[Max Dillon]

Congratulations!

I think the only source of info is the WIS, accessible online for a fee, via 
startek.

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Re: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)

[Dieselhead]

Check with BeckerUSA  (Ed)  I am sure they can add the ipod (aux) 
input without damage.   I would guess this radio already has an input 
for AUX as a cord dangling off the back or a jack on the back.  A 
plug into that and run a cord to an inconspicuous spot to put a panel 
mount input jack, and you might be done.


Congrats on being back in the fold.  It is good to have you back, 
although you have never really been gone.



Tarek and I were able to work out a deal this week, so I flew up to 
Raleigh yesterday and drove the S500 home.  Tarek's father was 
gracious enough to pick me up at the airport and follow me to the NC 
DMV so I could get a temp plate before I started south.  Trip was 
uneventful and I was resting in bed by 10:30 that evening.


It got the full Mercedes Martha Stewart treatment today, which will 
continue tomorrow after I am finished with a maintenance outage at 
work on Sunday morning when we have to take an EVA down to replace 
some controllers. New windshield and probably a set of tires coming 
this week.  A few minor things I'll address, but everything is 
working (at least as far as I can tell! - this is a far more complex 
car than any other MB I've owned!) and any repairs it might need are 
minor.


In anticipation I have been trolling some of the MB forums and 
looking over 140 related subject matter.


Is there an online service manual like there is of the W124s?  I 
could sure use some service literature for my benefit, but I'm not 
finding much.  I need to replace some lamps in the ACC panels and 
troubleshoot a vacuum door close assist actuator in the driver's 
door, so it would be nice to  be able to see the procedures before 
tearing in to things.


Anybody want an analog phone?  This car has the factory cell phone, 
but it's pretty much dead weight these days.  I would like to have 
the storage space back for the controller, which is in the storage 
area above the center ACC vents. I'm also curious as to how the 
inside of the console is configured of you didn't have the phone - 
right now the handset takes up about a third of the space next to 
the cup holders.


I'm also struggling over the Becker 1492.  While the sound system is 
fine for me, I really want an aux input for my iPod.  Not sure I 
want to do a swap with Ed or go aftermarket.  I'm concerned about 
the aesthetics if I went aftermarket, and I am a purist who likes to 
keep things bone stock.  This is going to be a difficult decision.


If anyone has any guidance on W140 web sites or resources, I'm all ears.

It's good to be back.  Just don't tell my Focus - I will miss 
filling up once a week for under $40.


Dan


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Re: [MBZ] OT Parting out Farmall M - $1 (Revere)

[Dieselhead]

I bought the generator off this guy.  Hope it is good.  I have not 
unpacked it yet.  Thanks Fred.



Not mine, etc.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

 >


fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting.
Please see below for more information.
Visit the posting at 
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/grd/3569052835.html to contact the 
person who posted this.



Parting out Farmall M

Date: 2013-01-24,  4:40PM


1951 Farmall M.  Engine Block, Connecting Rods, Exhaust/Intake 
manifold, Clutch, Pressure Plate, Generator, Starter, Seat Post, 
Seat mounting bracket, hedlight bracket, draw bar and other misc 
items.  Call Mike 978-360-9747




* Location: Revere

	* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other 
commercial interests


Original URL: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/grd/3569052835.html

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Re: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)

[Gerry Archer]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gerry Archer" 

To: "Archer" 
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)



From: "Dan Penoff" 
Tarek and I were able to work out a deal this week, so I flew up to 
Raleigh yesterday and drove the S500 home.  Tarek's father was gracious 
enough to pick me up at the airport and follow me to the NC DMV so I 
could get a temp plate before I started south.  Trip was uneventful and I 
was resting in bed by 10:30 that evening.


It got the full Mercedes Martha Stewart treatment today, which will 
continue tomorrow after I am finished with a maintenance outage at work 
on Sunday morning when we have to take an EVA down to replace some 
controllers. New windshield and probably a set of tires coming this week. 
A few minor things I'll address, but everything is working (at least as 
far as I can tell! - this is a far more complex car than any other MB 
I've owned!) and any repairs it might need are minor.


In anticipation I have been trolling some of the MB forums and looking 
over 140 related subject matter.


Is there an online service manual like there is of the W124s?  I could 
sure use some service literature for my benefit, but I'm not finding 
much. I need to replace some lamps in the ACC panels and troubleshoot a 
vacuum door close assist actuator in the driver's door, so it would be 
nice to be able to see the procedures before tearing in to things.


Anybody want an analog phone?  This car has the factory cell phone, but 
it's pretty much dead weight these days.  I would like to have the 
storage space back for the controller, which is in the storage area above 
the center ACC vents. I'm also curious as to how the inside of the 
console is configured of you didn't have the phone - right now the 
handset takes up about a third of the space next to the cup holders.


I'm also struggling over the Becker 1492.  While the sound system is fine 
for me, I really want an aux input for my iPod.  Not sure I want to do a 
swap with Ed or go aftermarket.  I'm concerned about the aesthetics if I 
went aftermarket, and I am a purist who likes to keep things bone stock. 
This is going to be a difficult decision.


If anyone has any guidance on W140 web sites or resources, I'm all ears.

It's good to be back.  Just don't tell my Focus - I will miss filling up 
once a week for under $40.


Dan
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There are more than 7 pages under "Mercedes Manuals" at Abebooks.  Glanced 
through them and didn't see any about 140s, but there might be if you want 
to take the time to look at all of them.  www.abebooks.com lists books 
from book sellers all over the world who will ship to the U.S. at a stated 
price.








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[MBZ] Henifay

[Dieselhead]

I heard a rumour that Hendrik has been out hunting zombies.  Maybe he 
will send us a picture!


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Re: [MBZ] New Car (MB content)

[Gerry Archer]

From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Congrats. There may be a 140 DVD somewhere but really the 140 and later 
cars are covered by the WIS. you will also need the xentry system to do 
any sort of in depth work on the thing.


On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
Tarek and I were able to work out a deal this week, so I flew up to 
Raleigh yesterday and drove the S500 home.  Tarek's father was gracious 
enough to pick me up at the airport and follow me to the NC DMV so I 
could get a temp plate before I started south.  Trip was uneventful and I 
was resting in bed by 10:30 that evening.


It got the full Mercedes Martha Stewart treatment today, which will 
continue tomorrow after I am finished with a maintenance outage at work 
on Sunday morning when we have to take an EVA down to replace some 
controllers. New windshield and probably a set of tires coming this week. 
A few minor things I'll address, but everything is working (at least as 
far as I can tell! - this is a far more complex car than any other MB 
I've owned!) and any repairs it might need are minor.


In anticipation I have been trolling some of the MB forums and looking 
over 140 related subject matter.


Is there an online service manual like there is of the W124s?  I could 
sure use some service literature for my benefit, but I'm not finding 
much.  I need to replace some lamps in the ACC panels and troubleshoot a 
vacuum door close assist actuator in the driver's door, so it would be 
nice to  be able to see the procedures before tearing in to things.


Anybody want an analog phone?  This car has the factory cell phone, but 
it's pretty much dead weight these days.  I would like to have the 
storage space back for the controller, which is in the storage area above 
the center ACC vents. I'm also curious as to how the inside of the 
console is configured of you didn't have the phone - right now the 
handset takes up about a third of the space next to the cup holders.


I'm also struggling over the Becker 1492.  While the sound system is fine 
for me, I really want an aux input for my iPod.  Not sure I want to do a 
swap with Ed or go aftermarket.  I'm concerned about the aesthetics if I 
went aftermarket, and I am a purist who likes to keep things bone stock. 
This is going to be a difficult decision.


If anyone has any guidance on W140 web sites or resources, I'm all ears.

It's good to be back.  Just don't tell my Focus - I will miss filling up 
once a week for under $40.


Dan

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http://autoepc4you.com/catalog/view/Mercedes-WIS-net-%28EWA%29-2011

Gerry 



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