Re: [MBZ] Opine away

2013-06-05 Thread Chris James 

Some more interesting cars! I enjoyed browsing your local CL, you have
quite the selection to choose from! It would certainly be fun to spend a
day(s?) going & looking at all the cars in your locale! :)


This one has got to be at the top of the list!
Beautiful, nearly fully loaded black 1997 E300D (real heated leather,
not Tex! Every option except power rear shade)
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3838058682.html

2002 C320 (Nicely equipped!):
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3789041487.html

2000 ML55 (AMG, need I say more!):
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3785605888.html

2003 CLK320 Cab (last year, well optioned!):
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3837874261.html

1993 Limited Edition 190E 2.6 (Very nice!):
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3836344982.html

1987 300E (Nice, if your a fan of DB877 Petrol or Blue/Green!)
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3850009453.html

Out of state (IL), just came across this 40Kmi 1987 300E? Think I prefer
the DB261 seafoam over the DB877 blue/green. I would expect to drop a
few K's on it getting it mechanically up to snuff due to age/storage
though. Would be a shame to drive it though, a display car really

http://www.dealerrater.com/classifieds/1987-Mercedes-Benz-300E-ad-WDBEA30D9HA387966/


As to your list, that '94 S350D you found looks interesting too & the'98
S420, very well presented & probably the best of the lot! Wasn't really
impressed with the E320 Cabs you found though. Save up & get a nicer
example that would not need a lot invested in it...if your really
interested in one, I say


--
Chris J.

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Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-05 Thread Scott Ritchey 

On  Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:44 PM Dieselhead wrote:

>In the mojave desert, most peeps either buy white or paint their 
>black lincoln white pretty quick.  (even if it is with a brush) 
>Summa youse guys musta been at Edwards sometime

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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Alex Chamberlain 
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  I really wanted to keep saying "Hoya" from the back row repeatedly.  I
>> held my tongue, but it is discouraging to hear BSA espousing such BS.
>
>
Loren, where *do* you get this "hoya" stuff as a synonym for B.S.?

I've never heard this before and I imagine the Georgetown alumni among us
can't be pleased. ;)

Alex
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[MBZ] Opine away

2013-06-05 Thread clay 
At the moment I am doing battle with SWMBA over the replacement for the E300.  
I would prefer it just get fixed and life go on, but she has a bug up her ... 
bonnet, that a more reliable car be found.  These fit my taste.  What should I 
be aware of, and which should be avoided?


clay

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3844133766.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3785410731.html



http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3825744594.html


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3836775453.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3838172819.html


http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3840018790.html


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3784349504.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-05 Thread Darren Marshall 
Cool, I'll talk with the crew and conjure up some options.

Will call Tom mañana 

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com

On Jun 5, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> So when is a good time to get this crazy bunch together?
>> 
>> Darren Marshall
>> http://doejo.com
>> http://bowtruss.com
> 
> 5th sunday in Feb is good!
> 
> Secret message for Darren:
> 
> BTW, call Tom at 515 681 0672.  He is trying to get ahold of bowtruss.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead 

So when is a good time to get this crazy bunch together?

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com


5th sunday in Feb is good!

Secret message for Darren:

BTW, call Tom at 515 681 0672.  He is trying to get ahold of bowtruss.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Jim Cathey 

How does somebody born in 1930 sound?  ;<)


Ahruph!  Ack.  Horrrahh.  Grumble.  "Kids these days."

Sump'n like that?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead 

http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm

 "New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the cone
of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that need
heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called serotinous
cones . When the
heat causes the cones to open, seeds are released and fall to the ground
(see animation below).

In Michigan, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) lights fires in the
Jack Pine Ecosystems to help new jack pine trees grow. This is because the
Kirtland's Warbler will only build nests under the young jack pine trees."

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Max  wrote:


Oak trees thrive on natural fires.  keeps competitors away.  Also 
makes acorns grow.


Longleaf pine stays small and grows a huge taproot for several years 
to survive fire.  When the tap root is 8-10 feet deep, it shoots up 
over 6' in a season to reach high enough so as not to be dameged by 
most natural fires.


Controlled burns are good for prairies, oak savannahs and many other 
forest types.  They simulate natural fires.


Burning off grass or pastureland in the fall is a good thing too.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead 
Yes, forwarded to my Pop.  My grandfather ferried aircraft over to 
Africa during WWII, including P-38s.  According to my father, those 
were his favorite.


--
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20


One of our MBCA section members was a AAC ferry pilot during WWII. 
Her husband ran a foundry, and she was the corporate pilot.  Yes, she 
was a WAC. They were great people.



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Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead 
Having owned my first black car, I can now appreciate the value of 
having a light colored car. My S500 looks dirty within an hour of 
washing it, or so it seems. Lighter color cars I have owned could go 
days if not weeks without washing.


Dan


Ayup


mine would be dirty where I finished waxing while I was still waxing 
the next panel.  Cooks eggs in the summer, inside or out.   I can 
tolerate midnight blue or whatever MB calls burgundy, but I really 
love Smoke Silver 124 and 126


In the mojave desert, most peeps either buy white or paint their 
black lincoln white pretty quick.  (even if it is with a brush) 
Summa youse guys musta been at Edwards sometime


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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead 
I suspect a lot of that has to do with where "here" and "there" are. 
To get the ground to turn into glass here in New England would 
require tremendous heat as even when its very dry its still fairly 
wet. If you were already starting from fairly dry I suspect that 
you'd require less heat to dry things out before glassifying and 
your forests would burn much more readily and more easily create 
more heat. As you've got a lot less under brush I'd bet the winds 
whip up a lot better in a fire too.


Huge regional variation across this great land of ours yet it seems 
like our political idiots feel like one management schema always 
makes the most sense.


-Curt


Hoya, Hoya, Hoya

When I took Scout leadership training, one instructor was blathering 
on about how a Boy Scout troop out primitive camping had to carry 
along some portable fire pit because building a camp fire would turn 
the ground to glass and nothing would grow for 1000 years.  I really 
wanted to keep saying "Hoya" from the back row repeatedly.  I held my 
tongue, but it is discouraging to hear BSA espousing such BS.  If 
that were true, our country would be nearly covered with burnout 
marks from campfires.


I used to build huge bonfires with fenceposts in the fall for 
hayrides.  In the spring the area would be covered with weeds.  We 
burned there 10-20 times a year for decades.  When we quit, the area 
was soon covered with grass.


There may be sandy areas where you might be able to build a fire hot 
enough to melt sand into glass, but I've never seen it.  In most of 
the country, the ground is too moist to ever get very hot.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Gerry Archer 

Pretty close; actually Uuuuh ooo gh.  (They had a Southern drawl
in the Deep South).
Gerry

From: "Rich Thomas" 



Ah  gah

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On Jun 5, 2013, at 10:10 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

How does somebody born in 1930 sound?  ;<)

Wilton

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Gerry wrote:

Thought
I was a mere 83.

Is that the year you were born?
You certainly don't sound like you were born in 1930...
mao
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[MBZ] Longest words and Yodelling

2013-06-05 Thread Gerry Archer 

From: "Gerry Archer" 



Germany is currently looking for a word that is currently the longest in
the
German language.  Here are the English and German longest words and
illustrations of what tying words together endlessly can produce:

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis:

A lung disease and the longest English word.

Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz:

"A law on the transfer of monitoring duties for labelling beef."

This is the former longest German word.  Germany is looking for a new long
word.

Technically, there is no limit to word length in German because, like
Finnish and Hungarian, it allows words to be joined together to create
compound nouns at will. Supersonic jet is:

Überschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug.

If a football team makes it to the World Cup, it's a:

Fussballweltmeisterschaftsendrundenteilnehmer.

Admittedly, many words of such length are often used in jest.

Here's a brief example of the endless possibilities:
A ballpoint pen that belongs to a captain could be called a:

Kapitänskugelschreiber.

If the pen happens to belong to a captain of the Danube Steamship Company,
it's a:

Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitänskugelschreiber.

Let us now refer to the ink used in that pen. This is the:

Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitänskugelschreibertinte.

And, please bear with us, there could theoretically be a shop specializing
in such ink. In that case we have a:

Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitänskugelschreibertintenfachgeschäft.

 And that store would presumably have a manager, the:

Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitänskugelschreibertintenfachgeschäftsführer.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/germany-seeks-a-new-longest-word-a-903470.html

I was once talking to a German xray tech and a German doctor.  I ask them
what an xray tech would be called in the German language.

After talking to each other in German they came out with the longest word
of
any kind I had ever heard, and then they both laughed.
Gerry

Also, an interesting article about Bavarian yodelling:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/who-composed-holla-rae-di-ri-landmark-yodelling-trial-to-open-in-munich-a-637657.html





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Re: [MBZ] Gum(ball) Anyone?

2013-06-05 Thread Max 
Yes, thanks.  I'd like to know more about the technology he employed.  Next guy 
should use a couple of drones flying overhead route clearance.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Dan Penoff  wrote:

>Good read.
>
>http://www.wired.com/cars/coolwheels/magazine/15-11/ff_cannonballrun?currentPage=all&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Rich Thomas 
Ah  gah

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jun 5, 2013, at 10:10 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

How does somebody born in 1930 sound?  ;<)

Wilton

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> Gerry wrote:
>> Thought
>> I was a mere 83.
> Is that the year you were born?
> You certainly don't sound like you were born in 1930...
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Gerry Archer 


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Gerry wrote:

Thought
I was a mere 83.


Is that the year you were born?
You certainly don't sound like you were born in 1930...
mao

Born in 1929 just before the Wall Street crash.  It was an "interesting" 
childhood and teenhood.
Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread WILTON 

How does somebody born in 1930 sound?  ;<)

Wilton

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Gerry wrote:

Thought
I was a mere 83.


Is that the year you were born?
You certainly don't sound like you were born in 1930...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

2013-06-05 Thread WILTON 
My problem was not being able to talk to somebody AT the tool 
location/store.


Wilton

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i've found that if i go to the Craftsman site, i can look up the tool(s) 
i'm looking for and check to see where it's in stock on the website; so 
far they've never been wrong.



cheers!
e


On 05/Jun/13 16:15, WILTON wrote:
Trying to find a 3/8" drive 12 mm Allen socket this morning, I tried to 
call the tools desk/shop at Snears.  'Can't even find a number in the 
local directories for STORE main #!  There are several 800 and 888 #s 
listed for such as Home improvement items, siding, roofing, air 
conditioning, appliance installation and 2 or 3 other general categories, 
but no # related to tools.  Called auto service hoping somebody could 
tell me a store main #, but could not get anybody to answer.  Finally got 
a answer (in India it sounded like) on home improvement #; told 'im I was 
trying to reach tools dept at local store; 'gave me a # of somebody 
trying to take reservations for hotel suites.  'Said to SWMBO, "Can't 
find a local # for the Sears store."  Few minutes later, I heard her in 
another room on the phone.  She soon came in and handed me the phone 
while saying, "Here, talk to my husband."  Guess what?!  Same guy in 
India I had talked to 30 minutes earlier; gave me the same wrong #; told 
'im, "30 minutes ago, all I could get on that # is somebody selling hotel 
reservations."  Then he said, "Go on internet and find the tool in tools 
catalog."  I did, but still unable  to find anybody (clerk) to check 
shelf in local store for the item.  'Finally called friend who knows 
everybody in the county plus their phone numbers.  He didn't have the # 
readily available but said he'd call back; called few min later and said, 
"Try this #."  I recognized the # he gave me as the OLD (years ago) main 
store #; friend musta had it in his cell phone.  I dialed the # - shonuff 
operator at local main store answered!  'Asked for tools dept; finally 
got answer; asked again for tools -mechanic's hand tools; 'put me on hold 
listening to damned music that I DON'T like for 15 minutes; finally hung 
up and dialed again; told operator, again, "Trying to reach tools 
dept/desk."  On hold again 'bout 5 min; different guy came on asked him 
if they have "3/8 drive 12 mm Allen socket."  'Came back on in coupla 
minutes, "Biggest we have is 10mm."  NEARLY TOW HOURS TO GET AN ANSWER! 
Sears service has gone to hell.


Meanwhile, I found 1/2" drive 12 mm Allen socket at Autozone, but had to 
get package containing 2 larger Allen sockets also.  'Think I can punch 
the Allen wrench out of the 1/2 drive (or saw it off) and stick one end 
of it in a 3/8" drive 12 mm socket to "make" the 12 mm Allen socket I was 
trying to buy.


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] tracking down vacuum issues? FOLLOW-UP

2013-06-05 Thread Peter Frederick 
I forget which model this is --W123 look for cracks in the main vacuum  
line, it tends to get brittle where all the hoses connect and nothing  
will work properly.


A bad brake booster will also cause fits from low vacuum, but they  
seem to be fairly rare on a Benz (unlike my Dodge Aries).


Cracked plastic lines are an issue, so is the valve that runs the  
whole locking system on the driver's door.  Ditto for punctured  
diaphragms in the lock actuators (these used to be available, a bit  
fiddly to put in, but works like new then).


Get the ol MitiVac out and start testing connections and servos,  
vacuum reservoirs (three, I think, on the W123), and so forth.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

2013-06-05 Thread Max 
I've pretty much given up on them, for tools.  Bought a refrigerator from them 
a few years ago, and 14 years ago we bought our washer/dryer, which are still 
working fine.  Major appliances have been decent, and service calls (one for 
the dryer and one for the refrigerator) were pleasant.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

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[MBZ] Gum(ball) Anyone?

2013-06-05 Thread Dan Penoff 
Good read.

http://www.wired.com/cars/coolwheels/magazine/15-11/ff_cannonballrun?currentPage=all&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Dancing Monkeys

2013-06-05 Thread Jim Cathey 

Ford-Philco CC mean there is a doohickey in the middle of the mess.


The early VDO also has the inline doohickey.  That does mean
that you have to check _both_ cables, when you've got speedo+odo
problems.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-05 Thread Mountain Man 
Darren wrote:
> So when is a good time to get this crazy bunch together?

Yeah.
Tell us what is usually a good time for this crazy bunch to see your
shop in operation.  I would think you roast early in the day?  Tell us
what time of day is best to see roasting in operation and what day of
the week is best to see stuff happen?  And of course, we all gotta sit
at the bar and get buzzed on espresso bean juice.  I presume you pull
shots of your Hoist or Foundation as well as pour over? of Threadless
or Sidama or Yergacheffe?

Perhaps since you know your shop better you need to suggest a date and
we all commit or not.  I presume if Darryl is going to make it - he is
from Columbus, OH and reads banned and said he is interested - weekend
would be better, but... maybe roasting doesn't happen on weekends?

Go ahead, suggest a date.  Then Rick can speak up as to his schedule.
Me? - what commitments?  coffee is a great commitment.  Train to
downtown, saunter over to Michigan Ave, catch bus north, or have the
'78 240D Uber service pick us up at some intersection.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Mountain Man 
Gerry wrote:
> Thought
> I was a mere 83.

Is that the year you were born?
You certainly don't sound like you were born in 1930...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Mountain Man 
Curt wrote:
> ...coating on the seeds that only gets broken down when heated by fire...
>
> I agree that many of the forestry policies in practice now are dumb but I 
> don't think fire is always a bad thing.
>

When my son and I drove our '83 240D home from LA we took US20 all the
way home from its terminus at Newport, OR to Elgin, IL.  Through
forest portions of OR they had signs explaining different practices
about forest fires, i.e. letting fires burn.  Let the low growth
tinder burn and the forest keeps well and away from the top fires that
spread and annihilate the forest.  It was an interesting display.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

2013-06-05 Thread ernest breakfield 
i've found that if i go to the Craftsman site, i can look up the tool(s) 
i'm looking for and check to see where it's in stock on the website; so 
far they've never been wrong.



cheers!
e


On 05/Jun/13 16:15, WILTON wrote:

Trying to find a 3/8" drive 12 mm Allen socket this morning, I tried to call the tools desk/shop at 
Snears.  'Can't even find a number in the local directories for STORE main #!  There are several 800 and 888 
#s listed for such as Home improvement items, siding, roofing, air conditioning, appliance installation and 2 
or 3 other general categories, but no # related to tools.  Called auto service hoping somebody could tell me 
a store main #, but could not get anybody to answer.  Finally got a answer (in India it sounded like) on home 
improvement #; told 'im I was trying to reach tools dept at local store; 'gave me a # of somebody trying to 
take reservations for hotel suites.  'Said to SWMBO, "Can't find a local # for the Sears store."  
Few minutes later, I heard her in another room on the phone.  She soon came in and handed me the phone while 
saying, "Here, talk to my husband."  Guess what?!  Same guy in India I had talked to 30 minutes 
earlier; gave me the same wrong #; told 'im, "3
0 minutes ago, all I could get on that # is somebody selling hotel reservations."  Then he said, "Go on internet and find the tool in tools catalog."  I did, but still unable  to find anybody (clerk) to check shelf in local store for the item.  'Finally called friend who knows everybody in the county plus their phone numbers.  He didn't have the # readily available but said he'd call back; called few min later and said, "Try this #."  I recognized the # he gave me as the OLD (years ago) main store #; friend musta had it in his cell phone.  I dialed the # - shonuff operator at local main store answered!  'Asked for tools dept; finally got answer; asked again for tools -mechanic's hand tools; 'put me on hold listening to damned music that I DON'T like for 15 minutes; finally hung up and dialed again; told operator, again, "Trying to reach tools dept/desk."  On hold again 'bout 5 min; different guy came on asked him if they have "3/8 drive 12 mm Allen socket."  'Came back on in coupla 
minutes, "Biggest we have is 10mm."  NEARLY TOW HOURS TO GET AN ANSWER!  Sears service has gone to hell.


Meanwhile, I found 1/2" drive 12 mm Allen socket at Autozone, but had to get package 
containing 2 larger Allen sockets also.  'Think I can punch the Allen wrench out of the 1/2 drive 
(or saw it off) and stick one end of it in a 3/8" drive 12 mm socket to "make" the 
12 mm Allen socket I was trying to buy.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] tracking down vacuum issues? FOLLOW-UP

2013-06-05 Thread ernest breakfield 
as i investigate further, i'm suspecting that this issue isn't with any 
one line to any one door, as it's equally slow to lock or unlock, and 
there isn't a significant difference between doors. (right rear seems a 
little slower up and down, but i seem to recollect that it's always been 
a little stiffer.)


i'm having a hard time reading some of the smaller text in the 
scans of the factory service manual pages, and compounding the issue is 
the fact that some of what the manual says isn't what i'm finding on the 
car. hose line colors aren't the same, fittings don't seem to be hooked 
up exactly as depicted; it's all a bit fiddly.


since the shifting still seems to be sharper than what i think is 
ideal, i'm wondering if i don't have a significant leak at the 
Transmission or somewhere en route to the Trans; any typical places i 
should look?



cheers!
e

On 03/Jun/13 17:49, Scott Ritchey wrote:

Yes get them from Q2 and get spares.  Also, another common problem on the
123 models is the vacuum switch inside the driver's door.  That switch can
leak and it can also be out of adjustment to the point it "dumps" the vacuum
in one position or the other.  As you troubleshoot you may find a leaking
vacuum motor or circuit (e.g. the locking gas cap circuit leaks).  You can
use a golf tee to plug the line to that circuit or device to get the rest of
the system working or to allow you to troubleshoot the rest of the system.
This way you can identify all the failed parts vs. fixing one thing only to
find another problem.

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breakfield
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 11:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] tracking down vacuum issues? FOLLOW-UP

thanks again to all who pitched in with pointers on tracking down the
issues on this!

  finally got around to poking into this some more; had to deal with
the getting the wifelets econo-box to pass Calif smog first. (cleaned up
EGR stuff, replaced a cracked Ex Manifold, ran de-carbonizing gunk
through the system, etc., all to no avail; still blows high on NOx, and
now also blows high on HCs,... . but that's another story.)

  got under the hood of the 300D ('85 Calif) to start looking at
stuff at the beginning, since none of the doors seem to be
locking/unlocking significantly worse than any of the rest. starting at
the check valve, i found that the rubber 120* 3-way and 90* 4-way 'T's
were cracked at the ends to the point where it was remarkable that they
were staying in place at all!
  has anyone had any success in sourcing proper replacement parts for
these recently? is this the sort of thing Trent might be able to help
with (Trent?), or am i stuck with hoping the dealer will be useful, or,...?


cheers!
e




hi!

 symptoms of a vacuum leak are rapidly showing up in our '85 300D
(Calif); first the locks got slow to engage (with the Right Rear
being the first and worst), shifting has become 'abrupt', and it's
rapidly progressed to where the motor is intermittently slow to shut
down when keying off.

 is there a resource for how to trace down and repair leaks that
anyone can point me to? any hints or tips as to what tool(s) i'm
going to want?

 as always, thanks in advance for any help!


cheers!
e


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Re: [MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend

2013-06-05 Thread Dan Penoff 
Yes, the M189 in a car with air suspension is about as good as it gets for 
vintage MBs.  I loved driving mine hard when I could.

My water pump failed at the main seal in front, and it literally gushed coolant 
out if you put any in the system.

The coupling isn't all that bad to deal with, but the tricky part, or so I 
found, was driving the driven flange off the old pump shaft and on to the new 
one without damaging it.  I had access to a bench press, which was a BIG help, 
but it was still scary as the parts were pretty much unobtainium.

It's funny now, but it wasn't at the time:

We all know how if one is working on a super critical part or assembly that we 
get hypersensitive about everything we are doing - I was so wound up when 
reassembling my pump that I put the driven flange on BACKWARDS when I 
reassembled it.

Talk about freaking out!  I was convinced I was going to destroy my new $400 
took Rusty 30 days to get it from Germany pump.  Not to mention the driven 
flange, if I recall, is aluminum.

I spent a rather harrowing 20 minutes or so carefully pressing the flange off 
and back on again in the proper orientation.  I had to take a bit of a breather 
when that was done.

Dan


On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Yeah, I'm a bit frightened about the pump.  It seems the most delicate part
> is removing the flange that connects it to the drive coupler.  Looks like
> every part involved is at least $800, and a lot is NLA like you said.  I'm
> hoping if I can get it apart, I can get replacement seals and rebuilt it
> myself.  Otherwise, some guy in Maryland has been advertising rebuilds for
> under $400, which seems reasonable.
> 
> First I really need to figure out where the leak is.  There are so many
> hoses on this engine which are difficult to access and see, I can't be sure
> its the pump at all.
> 
> But boy the M189 is a nice engine.  The power at highway speeds is really
> quite remarkable, the car just wants to go faster and faster.
> 
> Jaime
> 


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Re: [MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend

2013-06-05 Thread Jaime Kopchinski 
Yeah, I'm a bit frightened about the pump.  It seems the most delicate part
is removing the flange that connects it to the drive coupler.  Looks like
every part involved is at least $800, and a lot is NLA like you said.  I'm
hoping if I can get it apart, I can get replacement seals and rebuilt it
myself.  Otherwise, some guy in Maryland has been advertising rebuilds for
under $400, which seems reasonable.

First I really need to figure out where the leak is.  There are so many
hoses on this engine which are difficult to access and see, I can't be sure
its the pump at all.

But boy the M189 is a nice engine.  The power at highway speeds is really
quite remarkable, the car just wants to go faster and faster.

Jaime



On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Good luck on the pump.  That's the part that did me in on my 62 300SE.
>  Scared the bejeezus out of me due to many of the related bits being NLA.
>  And that was in the early 2000s.
>
> Keep us posted.  I'm curious as to how it goes.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
> > I don't think too many of your are in the area, but the MBCA is holding
> > their anual June Jamboree at MBUSA in Montvale, NJ this weekend.  Lots of
> > folks bring lots of cars of all kinds, from gullwings to 240Ds.  Its
> worth
> > the trip if you're not too far away.
> >
> > I was going to drive my 67 300SEL, but a few things have set me back.
> > First, while the car is now drivable and runs very well, the water pump
> > has started leaking pretty badly.  I took the first significant drive
> with
> > the car last weekend, a 20 mile highway trip and it leaked about a quart.
> > A little too much to be comfortable.  Second, its still in terrible need
> > of an exhaust system.  A new stainless system from Timevalve arrived this
> > week, but the weather looks bad for Friday, so I won't be able to take
> the
> > day off to install it.
> >
> > I'm quite disappointed, as I really looked forward to bringing the car,
> > dirty and dusty as it is, still not cleaned up after its 20+ year
> storage.
> > I think it would have made quite the attraction, being such a rare and
> odd
> > car.
> >
> > Normally, I bring my 79 300SD to the show, but the back seat has been out
> > for over a month at the upholstery guy and hes not going to finish until
> > next week.
> >
> > So, I'll probably bring the 74 450SL i picked up earlier this year.  I'm
> > not really happy to be another 107 in the show, since there are so many,
> > and so many nice ones, but it'll be good to be there with something!
> >
> > Anyone up for attending?
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-05 Thread Darren Marshall 
So when is a good time to get this crazy bunch together?

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com

On Jun 4, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Kleb was. Regina was never on the Hitler list.
> 
> Marshall and I spoke of the Hitler list several times. He was uncomfortable 
> with the environment.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
>> Dan Penoff wrote:
>>> Banned originally came from a group of us who were tossed out of another 
>>> list for what most would consider minor infractions, or, in quainter sense, 
>>> pointing out that the king wasn't wearing any clothing, so to speak.
>> 
>> Were Regina and/or K'leb ever banned?
>> 
>> I assume Stu knew better than to ban A. M. Booth.
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend

2013-06-05 Thread dseretakis 
Hi Jaime,
I'm actually thinking about going. If I do, I'll let you know.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> I don't think too many of your are in the area, but the MBCA is holding
> their anual June Jamboree at MBUSA in Montvale, NJ this weekend.  Lots of
> folks bring lots of cars of all kinds, from gullwings to 240Ds.  Its worth
> the trip if you're not too far away.
> 
> I was going to drive my 67 300SEL, but a few things have set me back.
> First, while the car is now drivable and runs very well, the water pump
> has started leaking pretty badly.  I took the first significant drive with
> the car last weekend, a 20 mile highway trip and it leaked about a quart.
> A little too much to be comfortable.  Second, its still in terrible need
> of an exhaust system.  A new stainless system from Timevalve arrived this
> week, but the weather looks bad for Friday, so I won't be able to take the
> day off to install it.
> 
> I'm quite disappointed, as I really looked forward to bringing the car,
> dirty and dusty as it is, still not cleaned up after its 20+ year storage.
> I think it would have made quite the attraction, being such a rare and odd
> car.
> 
> Normally, I bring my 79 300SD to the show, but the back seat has been out
> for over a month at the upholstery guy and hes not going to finish until
> next week.
> 
> So, I'll probably bring the 74 450SL i picked up earlier this year.  I'm
> not really happy to be another 107 in the show, since there are so many,
> and so many nice ones, but it'll be good to be there with something!
> 
> Anyone up for attending?
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.jaimekop.com/
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Re: [MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend

2013-06-05 Thread Dan Penoff 
Good luck on the pump.  That's the part that did me in on my 62 300SE.  Scared 
the bejeezus out of me due to many of the related bits being NLA.  And that was 
in the early 2000s.

Keep us posted.  I'm curious as to how it goes.

Dan


On Jun 5, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> I don't think too many of your are in the area, but the MBCA is holding
> their anual June Jamboree at MBUSA in Montvale, NJ this weekend.  Lots of
> folks bring lots of cars of all kinds, from gullwings to 240Ds.  Its worth
> the trip if you're not too far away.
> 
> I was going to drive my 67 300SEL, but a few things have set me back.
> First, while the car is now drivable and runs very well, the water pump
> has started leaking pretty badly.  I took the first significant drive with
> the car last weekend, a 20 mile highway trip and it leaked about a quart.
> A little too much to be comfortable.  Second, its still in terrible need
> of an exhaust system.  A new stainless system from Timevalve arrived this
> week, but the weather looks bad for Friday, so I won't be able to take the
> day off to install it.
> 
> I'm quite disappointed, as I really looked forward to bringing the car,
> dirty and dusty as it is, still not cleaned up after its 20+ year storage.
> I think it would have made quite the attraction, being such a rare and odd
> car.
> 
> Normally, I bring my 79 300SD to the show, but the back seat has been out
> for over a month at the upholstery guy and hes not going to finish until
> next week.
> 
> So, I'll probably bring the 74 450SL i picked up earlier this year.  I'm
> not really happy to be another 107 in the show, since there are so many,
> and so many nice ones, but it'll be good to be there with something!
> 
> Anyone up for attending?
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jaime Kopchinski
> http://www.jaimekop.com/
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Re: [MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend

2013-06-05 Thread WILTON 

'Love to, but gonna hafta let it go.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 

To: "mercedes Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 7:53 PM
Subject: [MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend



I don't think too many of your are in the area, but the MBCA is holding
their anual June Jamboree at MBUSA in Montvale, NJ this weekend.  Lots of
folks bring lots of cars of all kinds, from gullwings to 240Ds.  Its worth
the trip if you're not too far away.

I was going to drive my 67 300SEL, but a few things have set me back.
First, while the car is now drivable and runs very well, the water pump
has started leaking pretty badly.  I took the first significant drive with
the car last weekend, a 20 mile highway trip and it leaked about a quart.
A little too much to be comfortable.  Second, its still in terrible need
of an exhaust system.  A new stainless system from Timevalve arrived this
week, but the weather looks bad for Friday, so I won't be able to take the
day off to install it.

I'm quite disappointed, as I really looked forward to bringing the car,
dirty and dusty as it is, still not cleaned up after its 20+ year storage.
I think it would have made quite the attraction, being such a rare and odd
car.

Normally, I bring my 79 300SD to the show, but the back seat has been out
for over a month at the upholstery guy and hes not going to finish until
next week.

So, I'll probably bring the 74 450SL i picked up earlier this year.  I'm
not really happy to be another 107 in the show, since there are so many,
and so many nice ones, but it'll be good to be there with something!

Anyone up for attending?

Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

2013-06-05 Thread WILTON 
Well, I have one (plus a 14 mm and a 17 mm) now @ $12.99.  I think I can 
make it work,


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sears service?



WILTON wrote:

'Think I can punch the Allen wrench out of the 1/2 drive (or saw it off) 
and stick one end of it in a 3/8" drive 12 mm socket to "make" the 12 mm 
Allen socket I was trying to buy.


Snap-On hex inserts are replaceable and held in with roll pins.
Maybe buy just the replacement bit that goes in the socket, wrap some 
electrical tape over the end, and jam it in a 3/8" drive socket? (Snappy 
sells a 12mm in 3/8 drive, I'm sure, but I bet it costs $25)


Wasn't too far off, the socket is $31. The replacement bit at $10 makes me 
want to cut the end off a $1 allen wrench though.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend

2013-06-05 Thread Jaime Kopchinski 
I don't think too many of your are in the area, but the MBCA is holding
their anual June Jamboree at MBUSA in Montvale, NJ this weekend.  Lots of
folks bring lots of cars of all kinds, from gullwings to 240Ds.  Its worth
the trip if you're not too far away.

I was going to drive my 67 300SEL, but a few things have set me back.
 First, while the car is now drivable and runs very well, the water pump
has started leaking pretty badly.  I took the first significant drive with
the car last weekend, a 20 mile highway trip and it leaked about a quart.
 A little too much to be comfortable.  Second, its still in terrible need
of an exhaust system.  A new stainless system from Timevalve arrived this
week, but the weather looks bad for Friday, so I won't be able to take the
day off to install it.

I'm quite disappointed, as I really looked forward to bringing the car,
dirty and dusty as it is, still not cleaned up after its 20+ year storage.
 I think it would have made quite the attraction, being such a rare and odd
car.

Normally, I bring my 79 300SD to the show, but the back seat has been out
for over a month at the upholstery guy and hes not going to finish until
next week.

So, I'll probably bring the 74 450SL i picked up earlier this year.  I'm
not really happy to be another 107 in the show, since there are so many,
and so many nice ones, but it'll be good to be there with something!

Anyone up for attending?

Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

2013-06-05 Thread Mitch Haley 

WILTON wrote:

Meanwhile, I found 1/2" drive 12 mm Allen socket at Autozone, but had to get package containing 2 larger Allen sockets also.  'Think I can punch the Allen wrench out of the 1/2 drive (or saw it off) and stick one end of it in a 3/8" drive 12 mm socket to "make" the 12 mm Allen socket I was trying to buy.  


I bought that set for $9.99, 11 years ago.
I forget if the 14 or 17 does the diff plugs on my W116, but I did find that set 
to be useful.


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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

2013-06-05 Thread Mitch Haley 

WILTON wrote:

'Think I can punch the Allen wrench out of the 1/2 drive (or saw it off) and stick one end of it in a 3/8" drive 12 mm socket to "make" the 12 mm Allen socket I was trying to buy.  


Snap-On hex inserts are replaceable and held in with roll pins.
Maybe buy just the replacement bit that goes in the socket, wrap some electrical 
tape over the end, and jam it in a 3/8" drive socket? (Snappy sells a 12mm in 
3/8 drive, I'm sure, but I bet it costs $25)


Wasn't too far off, the socket is $31. The replacement bit at $10 makes me want 
to cut the end off a $1 allen wrench though.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Gerry Archer 
That's the way it was when I was a kid.  Yoiks!  Am I 150 years old? 
Thought I was a mere 83.

Gerry

From: "Michael Canfield" 

Like it was 150 years or more ago.  When folks knew their value and their
place in society and worked hard to live?  When you didn't dare talk back
to Mom and you didn't insult someones' girl cuz you were gonna get your 
ass

kicked?  When the "F" word had never been spoken by anyones Mom that you
knew

Mike
On Jun 4, 2013 12:02 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Illinois has been told that they need to pass a conceal carry ordinance.

Yeah, right - in a state that is even more dysfunctional than DC.

How about something completely different.
Perhaps we need a national ordinance that requires all citizens to
carry, concealed would be better.  Then everybody walking anywhere has
a bulge under their coat or shirt.  Some people may choose to conceal
a plastic piece in the shape of a firearm, others would be loaded and
ready to draw.  Either way, everybody would be cognizant that everyone
else is as dangerous as themselves.  Okay, perhaps there needs to be
something like the FOID that permits special people to not be required
to carry.  Imagine all the regulatory personnel that could be tasked
away from ATF and FOID operations and on to critical transportation
and education infrastructure needs.  We might be a better country?

Don't think too much about this - not any of it is gonna happen.
mao




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[MBZ] Sears service?

2013-06-05 Thread WILTON 
Trying to find a 3/8" drive 12 mm Allen socket this morning, I tried to call 
the tools desk/shop at Snears.  'Can't even find a number in the local 
directories for STORE main #!  There are several 800 and 888 #s listed for such 
as Home improvement items, siding, roofing, air conditioning, appliance 
installation and 2 or 3 other general categories, but no # related to tools.  
Called auto service hoping somebody could tell me a store main #, but could not 
get anybody to answer.  Finally got a answer (in India it sounded like) on home 
improvement #; told 'im I was trying to reach tools dept at local store; 'gave 
me a # of somebody trying to take reservations for hotel suites.  'Said to 
SWMBO, "Can't find a local # for the Sears store."  Few minutes later, I heard 
her in another room on the phone.  She soon came in and handed me the phone 
while saying, "Here, talk to my husband."  Guess what?!  Same guy in India I 
had talked to 30 minutes earlier; gave me the same wrong #; told 'im, "30 
 minutes ago, all I could get on that # is somebody selling hotel 
reservations."  Then he said, "Go on internet and find the tool in tools 
catalog."  I did, but still unable  to find anybody (clerk) to check shelf in 
local store for the item.  'Finally called friend who knows everybody in the 
county plus their phone numbers.  He didn't have the # readily available but 
said he'd call back; called few min later and said, "Try this #."  I recognized 
the # he gave me as the OLD (years ago) main store #; friend musta had it in 
his cell phone.  I dialed the # - shonuff operator at local main store 
answered!  'Asked for tools dept; finally got answer; asked again for tools 
-mechanic's hand tools; 'put me on hold listening to damned music that I DON'T 
like for 15 minutes; finally hung up and dialed again; told operator, again, 
"Trying to reach tools dept/desk."  On hold again 'bout 5 min; different guy 
came on asked him if they have "3/8 drive 12 mm Allen socket."  'Came back on 
in coupla mi
 nutes, "Biggest we have is 10mm."  NEARLY TOW HOURS TO GET AN ANSWER!  Sears 
service has gone to hell.

Meanwhile, I found 1/2" drive 12 mm Allen socket at Autozone, but had to get 
package containing 2 larger Allen sockets also.  'Think I can punch the Allen 
wrench out of the 1/2 drive (or saw it off) and stick one end of it in a 3/8" 
drive 12 mm socket to "make" the 12 mm Allen socket I was trying to buy.  

Wilton
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[MBZ] Euro SE

2013-06-05 Thread clay 
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3850221781.html

Not mine, no interest

Low low price


clay 


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1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Dancing Monkeys

2013-06-05 Thread clay 
Ford-Philco CC mean there is a doohickey in the middle of the mess.  I have to 
figure out how to unhook the cable and maybe tape the transmission cable to it 
and fish it that way.  Then hook back up...

OR, anybody know if I can just bypass the regulator and use the one piece?

clay

On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> How big of a mess is fishing the new cable up to the cluster and hooking it 
>> to the transmission?
> 
> I did it on the 190D, it's a real PITA on double-firewall cars.
> Maybe not so bad on a 107.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread clay 
Senator from OR, Wyden, is in an uproar that forest service does not reduce the 
underbrush enough to keep fires from becoming catastrophic, but they will 
splurge on airframes to toss water on things.  And with the sequester, there 
are going to be fewer hired on as seasonal fire fighters.  Instead the solution 
will be to pay twice as much for contractor teams to deal with the mess.

clay

On Jun 5, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Theres another one I can't remember the name of that has some kind of coating 
> on the seeds that only gets broken down when heated by fire...
> 
> I agree that many of the forestry policies in practice now are dumb but I 
> don't think fire is always a bad thing.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:22:06 -0400
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm
> 
> "New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the cone
> of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that need
> heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called serotinous
> cones . When the
> heat causes the cones to open, seeds are released and fall to the ground
> (see animation below).
> 
> In Michigan, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) lights fires in the
> Jack Pine Ecosystems to help new jack pine trees grow. This is because the
> Kirtland's Warbler will only build nests under the young jack pine trees."
> 
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Max  wrote:
> 
>> Squirrels!
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston, SC
>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>>> Fire DOES release seeds.  Ever hear of jack pine?
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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Curt Raymond 
Theres another one I can't remember the name of that has some kind of coating 
on the seeds that only gets broken down when heated by fire...

I agree that many of the forestry policies in practice now are dumb but I don't 
think fire is always a bad thing.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:22:06 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm

"New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the cone
of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that need
heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called serotinous
cones . When the
heat causes the cones to open, seeds are released and fall to the ground
(see animation below).

In Michigan, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) lights fires in the
Jack Pine Ecosystems to help new jack pine trees grow. This is because the
Kirtland's Warbler will only build nests under the young jack pine trees."

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Max  wrote:

> Squirrels!
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
> Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>
> >Fire DOES release seeds.  Ever hear of jack pine?

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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
If they do they will burn their mouths..

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Max  wrote:

> Squirrels don't eat pine cones in Michigan?
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
> Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>
> >http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm
> >
> >"New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the
> >cone
> >of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that
> >need
> >heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called
> >serotinous
> >cones . When
> >the
> >heat causes the cones to open, seeds are released and fall to the
> >ground
> >(see animation below).
> >
> >In Michigan, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) lights fires in
> >the
> >Jack Pine Ecosystems to help new jack pine trees grow. This is because
> >the
> >Kirtland's Warbler will only build nests under the young jack pine
> >trees."
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Max  wrote:
> >
> >> Squirrels!
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston, SC
> >> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> >>
> >> Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> >>
> >> >Fire DOES release seeds.  Ever hear of jack pine?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
Or to be faithful to Canadian bilingualism, "a la merde des chats."

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> Jeez, this list has just gone to sh*t the last few days.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 05/06/2013 3:11 PM, MG wrote:
>
>> despite my leg pulling that poop should make some wonderful fertilizer.
>> We used goat turds for quite a while with great success. I remember the
>> steam coming off the big cow and horse manure piles on the farm in Germany
>> years ago. All that as well as the holding tank contents was tilled into
>> the fields every fall.
>>
>> Manfred
>>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:19:36 -0700
>> From: clay 
>>
>> Food.
>>
>> The alpacas are all organic and the heat of my wee composter tends to
>> inhibit bad things from taking place.  I have yet to get it to actually
>> ignite, but on occasion there is some really nice steam coming off the pile
>> in the morning.  Turn and wet, then let it be.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-05 Thread Randy Bennell 

Jeez, this list has just gone to sh*t the last few days.

Randy

On 05/06/2013 3:11 PM, MG wrote:
despite my leg pulling that poop should make some wonderful 
fertilizer. We used goat turds for quite a while with great success. I 
remember the steam coming off the big cow and horse manure piles on 
the farm in Germany years ago. All that as well as the holding tank 
contents was tilled into the fields every fall.


Manfred

Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:19:36 -0700
From: clay 

Food.

The alpacas are all organic and the heat of my wee composter tends to 
inhibit bad things from taking place.  I have yet to get it to 
actually ignite, but on occasion there is some really nice steam 
coming off the pile in the morning.  Turn and wet, then let it be.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-05 Thread MG 
despite my leg pulling that poop should make some wonderful 
fertilizer. We used goat turds for quite a while with great 
success. I remember the steam coming off the big cow and horse 
manure piles on the farm in Germany years ago. All that as well 
as the holding tank contents was tilled into the fields every fall.


Manfred

Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:19:36 -0700
From: clay 

Food.

The alpacas are all organic and the heat of my wee composter 
tends to inhibit bad things from taking place.  I have yet to get 
it to actually ignite, but on occasion there is some really nice 
steam coming off the pile in the morning.  Turn and wet, then let 
it be.


clay

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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Max 
Squirrels don't eat pine cones in Michigan?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

>http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm
>
>"New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the
>cone
>of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that
>need
>heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called
>serotinous
>cones . When
>the
>heat causes the cones to open, seeds are released and fall to the
>ground
>(see animation below).
>
>In Michigan, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) lights fires in
>the
>Jack Pine Ecosystems to help new jack pine trees grow. This is because
>the
>Kirtland's Warbler will only build nests under the young jack pine
>trees."
>
>On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Max  wrote:
>
>> Squirrels!
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston, SC
>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>>
>> Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>>
>> >Fire DOES release seeds.  Ever hear of jack pine?
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Mountain Man 
Andrew wrote:
> I agree except for the first part.

So, don't carry.
Carry a plastic shape that looks like carry, but you aren't actually
carrying.  Much in the kulture is in that semblance.  Nobody walks
around with a big A on their shirt, but... yeah, there is a bunch of
that out there.  If we all wore a big A on our shirt, we might be
closer to honest - or something like that.  When the enforcement
officer sees that your carry is not real, he makes you pay a fine -
big deal, you will be fined much less than the cost of a real carry.
etc, etc
Polite would be the objective.
Loss of advantage for the generally few bad guys that carry with
intent to hurt might decrease.  In that realm of thought, I do not
fear bad guy with gun in anyplace I go.  I go very few places and I am
happy to live without fear.  I am happy to live without gay rights
because none of the places I go has any gain in overt gay rights.
There seems to be two aspects to freedom, one of which we fail to
acknowledge - to be free does not mean everyone thinks the same.  I
bet I knew more gay or gun carrying people when I was in high school
45 years ago and I felt free.  I feel free today also and I don't care
about guns or gay rights.  Freedom is more than the demands the
talking heads want to indoctrinate - both repugnant talking heads as
well as progressive talking heads are idiots.  Why I listen... is
freedom I might easily abandon, but haven't yet...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
Does that include the freedom to compost cat litter along with vegetal
table scraps, leaves, shredded paper, grass clippings and other natural
resources?

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> That's the beauty of freedom, Andrew. You don't have to if you don't want
> to.
>
> Mitch.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> I agree except for the first part.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Michael Canfield > >wrote:
>>
>> That I agree that everyone should carry and do an honest days work at
>>> whatever they are good at for their earnings.  That would make a much
>>> more
>>> polite (respectful) society.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Rear control arm needed

2013-06-05 Thread MG 
Well a productive morning today. Got the rear frame out of the TD 
and all taken apart. Took the control arm off the SD frame, put 
in the bushings and installed it on the TD frame. I think I will 
take a closer look at the shocks and may reseal them. That darn 
'while I'm there' syndrome strikes again. At least I won't be 
cleaning and painting the frame or control arms. That's just too 
compulsive for me to think about. Or is that retentive? In any 
case not me.


Then it started raining so that's it for today.

Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Mitch Haley 

That's the beauty of freedom, Andrew. You don't have to if you don't want to.

Mitch.

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I agree except for the first part.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:


That I agree that everyone should carry and do an honest days work at
whatever they are good at for their earnings.  That would make a much more
polite (respectful) society.

Mike



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Michael Canfield 
That I agree that everyone should carry and do an honest days work at
whatever they are good at for their earnings.  That would make a much more
polite (respectful) society.

Mike
On Jun 5, 2013 11:23 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

> And what is your point exactly?
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Michael Canfield  >wrote:
>
> > Like it was 150 years or more ago.  When folks knew their value and their
> > place in society and worked hard to live?  When you didn't dare talk back
> > to Mom and you didn't insult someones' girl cuz you were gonna get your
> ass
> > kicked?  When the "F" word had never been spoken by anyones Mom that you
> > knew
> >
> > Mike
> > On Jun 4, 2013 12:02 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Illinois has been told that they need to pass a conceal carry
> ordinance.
> > >> Yeah, right - in a state that is even more dysfunctional than DC.
> > >>
> > >> How about something completely different.
> > >> Perhaps we need a national ordinance that requires all citizens to
> > >> carry, concealed would be better.  Then everybody walking anywhere has
> > >> a bulge under their coat or shirt.  Some people may choose to conceal
> > >> a plastic piece in the shape of a firearm, others would be loaded and
> > >> ready to draw.  Either way, everybody would be cognizant that everyone
> > >> else is as dangerous as themselves.  Okay, perhaps there needs to be
> > >> something like the FOID that permits special people to not be required
> > >> to carry.  Imagine all the regulatory personnel that could be tasked
> > >> away from ATF and FOID operations and on to critical transportation
> > >> and education infrastructure needs.  We might be a better country?
> > >>
> > >> Don't think too much about this - not any of it is gonna happen.
> > >> mao
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > It would be a much more polite society.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
I agree except for the first part.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> That I agree that everyone should carry and do an honest days work at
> whatever they are good at for their earnings.  That would make a much more
> polite (respectful) society.
>
> Mike
> On Jun 5, 2013 11:23 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
>
> > And what is your point exactly?
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Michael Canfield  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Like it was 150 years or more ago.  When folks knew their value and
> their
> > > place in society and worked hard to live?  When you didn't dare talk
> back
> > > to Mom and you didn't insult someones' girl cuz you were gonna get your
> > ass
> > > kicked?  When the "F" word had never been spoken by anyones Mom that
> you
> > > knew
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > On Jun 4, 2013 12:02 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Illinois has been told that they need to pass a conceal carry
> > ordinance.
> > > >> Yeah, right - in a state that is even more dysfunctional than DC.
> > > >>
> > > >> How about something completely different.
> > > >> Perhaps we need a national ordinance that requires all citizens to
> > > >> carry, concealed would be better.  Then everybody walking anywhere
> has
> > > >> a bulge under their coat or shirt.  Some people may choose to
> conceal
> > > >> a plastic piece in the shape of a firearm, others would be loaded
> and
> > > >> ready to draw.  Either way, everybody would be cognizant that
> everyone
> > > >> else is as dangerous as themselves.  Okay, perhaps there needs to be
> > > >> something like the FOID that permits special people to not be
> required
> > > >> to carry.  Imagine all the regulatory personnel that could be tasked
> > > >> away from ATF and FOID operations and on to critical transportation
> > > >> and education infrastructure needs.  We might be a better country?
> > > >>
> > > >> Don't think too much about this - not any of it is gonna happen.
> > > >> mao
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It would be a much more polite society.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
And what is your point exactly?

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Like it was 150 years or more ago.  When folks knew their value and their
> place in society and worked hard to live?  When you didn't dare talk back
> to Mom and you didn't insult someones' girl cuz you were gonna get your ass
> kicked?  When the "F" word had never been spoken by anyones Mom that you
> knew
>
> Mike
> On Jun 4, 2013 12:02 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Illinois has been told that they need to pass a conceal carry ordinance.
> >> Yeah, right - in a state that is even more dysfunctional than DC.
> >>
> >> How about something completely different.
> >> Perhaps we need a national ordinance that requires all citizens to
> >> carry, concealed would be better.  Then everybody walking anywhere has
> >> a bulge under their coat or shirt.  Some people may choose to conceal
> >> a plastic piece in the shape of a firearm, others would be loaded and
> >> ready to draw.  Either way, everybody would be cognizant that everyone
> >> else is as dangerous as themselves.  Okay, perhaps there needs to be
> >> something like the FOID that permits special people to not be required
> >> to carry.  Imagine all the regulatory personnel that could be tasked
> >> away from ATF and FOID operations and on to critical transportation
> >> and education infrastructure needs.  We might be a better country?
> >>
> >> Don't think too much about this - not any of it is gonna happen.
> >> mao
> >>
> >
> >
> > It would be a much more polite society.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm

 "New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the cone
of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that need
heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called serotinous
cones . When the
heat causes the cones to open, seeds are released and fall to the ground
(see animation below).

In Michigan, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) lights fires in the
Jack Pine Ecosystems to help new jack pine trees grow. This is because the
Kirtland's Warbler will only build nests under the young jack pine trees."

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Max  wrote:

> Squirrels!
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
> Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>
> >Fire DOES release seeds.  Ever hear of jack pine?
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-05 Thread Michael Canfield 
Like it was 150 years or more ago.  When folks knew their value and their
place in society and worked hard to live?  When you didn't dare talk back
to Mom and you didn't insult someones' girl cuz you were gonna get your ass
kicked?  When the "F" word had never been spoken by anyones Mom that you
knew

Mike
On Jun 4, 2013 12:02 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Illinois has been told that they need to pass a conceal carry ordinance.
>> Yeah, right - in a state that is even more dysfunctional than DC.
>>
>> How about something completely different.
>> Perhaps we need a national ordinance that requires all citizens to
>> carry, concealed would be better.  Then everybody walking anywhere has
>> a bulge under their coat or shirt.  Some people may choose to conceal
>> a plastic piece in the shape of a firearm, others would be loaded and
>> ready to draw.  Either way, everybody would be cognizant that everyone
>> else is as dangerous as themselves.  Okay, perhaps there needs to be
>> something like the FOID that permits special people to not be required
>> to carry.  Imagine all the regulatory personnel that could be tasked
>> away from ATF and FOID operations and on to critical transportation
>> and education infrastructure needs.  We might be a better country?
>>
>> Don't think too much about this - not any of it is gonna happen.
>> mao
>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-05 Thread Dwight Giles 
Yes-Ins co said book on my 82 was 13,600 and was  the reason they fixed it
after tree came down on it.Shocked me but I am not complaining. It is
gorgeious now.
Dwight


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