Re: [MBZ] New driver seat is in wow

[Hendrik and Fay]

I pull an engine apart and put it back together and get nothing, someone 
undoes 4 bolts and swaps a seat in and get standing applause.
Well that's just fine and dandy, perhaps next week I'll attempt to put 
fuel in the car and will be named shade tree mechanic of the year.


Hendrik
who is being in silly mode again

On 12/06/13 13:57, Craig wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:12:13 -0500 Darren Marshall
 wrote:


Well, it took a combination of frustrated finagling, about a quarter
can of lube, popping the tension spring, jimmy-rigging the ramp track
while whacking the rear of the track with a giant hammer... but the old
seat is out and the new one is in.

Congratulations!!!


Craig





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Curt Raymond]

I'm gonna call BS here. You're saying our forefathers who worked in factories 
were big risk takers? The guys who worked the same job for their whole lives 
and depended on the company's pension? Or go back a couple generations to the 
farm where they lived their whole lives and maybe never left the county?

Risk takers are always genetic freaks. Everybody said Columbus was nuts, 
nothing out there worth sailing to. Same for the first folks who ventured west. 
Benz and Daimler, who would want a vehicle you had to buy gas for?

Humans are not wired to take risks, our pain to pleasure threshold is way over 
on the pleasure side. Heres a simple experiment to prove it. Present somebody 
with a game, you'll flip a coin and if they win you'll pay them $10, if you win 
they pay you $1.
Everybody will play that game right? You'd be an idiot not to

Then change it to if they win you pay $5 if you win they pay $1. Now most 
everybody will still play but some people (the super risk averse) will drop.

Now change it to $2/$1 and most people will drop. This is nuts on 100 flips of 
the coin they should get around $100 while only paying $50, they almost can't 
lose but most people will not take the bet, only the freaks do...

-Curt
Who wishes he was one of the freaks but really isn't...

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:33:10 -0700
From: clay 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT
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Scott, your insight is great, but all the items you tick off really devolved to 
the same entity.  Risk.  The youth and Baby boomers are really risk averse as a 
whole.  There are many who are job creators, who have gambled and struggle 
every day to remain viable if not massively successful.

As a nation we have shied away from that, and instituted the assurance of 
vastly reduced risk in life.  Go to college, somehow it will be paid for.  Even 
if you screwed around horridly in secondary school, we will find a way for you 
to reap rewards you have not earned.  Take on the debt, of a house, a degree, a 
lifestyle beyond your means, there will be no Piper to pay, as we have removed 
the eventual pain.  Soon maybe even death will be vanquished.  We will allow 
you to destroy your financial future in an attempt to keep you alive by 
treating your cancer or lifestyle disease, so worry not about the bottle of 
booze, the cases of smokes, the triple bacon cheez burgers, the hours spent on 
you butt in front of the massive TV you could not really afford, while you 
consume cable tv you also can not afford.

The reduction of risk is counter evolutionary.  We are no longer weeding out 
the lesser qualified and encouraging the defective to increase in population.  
In nature there are boundaries, and you end up with a boom and then a crash.  
We think we are moderating that, but in reality, we are stoking the boom which 
will one day exceed our ability to feed that cancer and it will wipe out, much 
as our current wild fire policy, that which is was attempting to protect.

The housing bubble did not result in all that much pain. Nobody died.  Some 
lost homes, but the increase in homeless did not spike, the people moved into 
subsidized housing of some sort, be it parental homes, or socialized.  This 
lack of life and death results has robbed the people of the joys and passion of 
being alive.  If we must have Manna from heaven, at least we should be forced 
to wander the wilderness for two generations before we are allowed to find a 
home.  With four generations of socialism, we are going to have a massive 
crash, much as the soviets did when their experiment toppled.

clay

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away the day

[Hendrik and Fay]

Won't be doing much sprinting with a 2.7 deisel and a full load.
Did they offer any Rudolf type engines in the swamp build mum trucks?

Hendrik
who wouldn't mind an ML if someone else paid to get it fixed

On 12/06/13 10:31, Mitch Haley wrote:

Hendrik and Fay wrote:

Did you get the 2.7 compression ignition engine over there?


In the Sprinter.

Mitch.





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Re: [MBZ] New driver seat is in

[Craig]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:12:13 -0500 Darren Marshall
 wrote:

> Well, it took a combination of frustrated finagling, about a quarter
> can of lube, popping the tension spring, jimmy-rigging the ramp track
> while whacking the rear of the track with a giant hammer... but the old
> seat is out and the new one is in.

Congratulations!!!


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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[Dieselhead]

If it's so worthless then you won't miss it.  Please deposit all your
worthless currency into my Paypal account.


Hm.
Much as i dislike willard (Mit romnskey), seems to me that he donated 
more  to charitable causes than bummer, the veep, billybob, pillary, 
and whoever was billybobs' veep all put together.  Now what was that 
about liberals wanting to share. Oh yes they want to share YOUR 
money (they confiscate at gunpoint), but never part with theirs!


Andrew's point is spoken like a true liberal.  Gimme YOUR money!

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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[Dieselhead]

On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:19 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:


 The problem isn't expensive houses,
 it's worthless currency.



Yup.

Rick
Sent from my iPhone


Lets put the credit (for worthless currency)  where credit is due:
Frankie D Rooseveldt for making ownership of gold illegal, and 
melting down all the gold currency
Dickarde M Nixon for making the paper currency worthless by taking us 
off the gold standard.


As Mao sez:  we are screwed
Standard Mao signoff

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Re: [MBZ] For Wilton

[Dieselhead]

I would make long sections of modules that were sensitive to both 
moisture and heat, put them under the bushes, and connect them to a 
solid state switching module that activated the moisture sensitive 
systems in the heat of the day, and heat sensitive systems in the 
cool of the day.  When the system was activated by the dogs urine; 
wet in the heat of the day and heat in the cool of the day; it would 
trigger the solid state module which would turn on the lawn (and 
bush) sprinkler system.  For houses with no sprinkler system, a 
single sprinkler pipe would be installed around the bushes, flower 
beds, etc. with sprinkler heads installed at appropriate internvals 
for complete coverage.
Heat and moisture sensitive components are not expensive but many 
would be required.
When the dogs urine first hit the sensors he would get wet.  Would a 
dog keep peeing if water started falling on him on hitting him in a 
stream?
Cost would probably be moderate; not cheap not expensive. 
Interesting project for a DIYer.

Gerry
Once knew a pharmacy prof who had that problem.  Neighbors offending dog began
coming home with strange but harmless symptoms of all kinds of 
disorders and its owners would take it to the vet.  Vet was always 
puzzled but told the owners it must have been eating some sort of 
vegetation that was toxic.  As the vet bills continued to rise, the 
neighbors found it cheaper to build a fence; which they did.


Another great solution.  Personally, I still like the electric fencer 
solution.  Makes a lasting impression, at least on the dog.  Not sure 
the owner would ever figure it out if properly hidden from view. 
Some might argue that the owner should also be treated to the 
electric fencer


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[MBZ] New driver seat is in

[Darren Marshall]

Well, it took a combination of frustrated finagling, about a quarter can of 
lube, popping the tension spring, jimmy-rigging the ramp track while whacking 
the rear of the track with a giant hammer... but the old seat is out and the 
new one is in.

Woot!

Darren Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] For Wilton

[Benz Hogs]

Wilton, do you have a sprinkler installed?  Just have it motion sensed 
and set it to turn on when someone enters the yard near the bushes.  If 
you can remotely control it, that would be ideal, while driving to, or 
away from the house.  Nothing wrong with a bit of harmless water, eh?


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)

On 6/11/2013 7:32 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:


I would make long sections of modules that were sensitive to both
moisture and heat, put them under the bushes, and connect them to a
solid state switching module that activated the moisture sensitive
systems in the heat of the day, and heat sensitive systems in the cool
of the day.  When the system was activated by the dogs urine; wet in the
heat of the day and heat in the cool of the day; it would trigger the
solid state module which would turn on the lawn (and bush) sprinkler
system.  For houses with no sprinkler system, a single sprinkler pipe
would be installed around the bushes, flower beds, etc. with sprinkler
heads installed at appropriate internvals for complete coverage.
Heat and moisture sensitive components are not expensive but many would
be required.
When the dogs urine first hit the sensors he would get wet.  Would a dog
keep peeing if water started falling on him on hitting him in a stream?
Cost would probably be moderate; not cheap not expensive.  Interesting
project for a DIYer.
Gerry
Once knew a pharmacy prof who had that problem.  Neighbors offending dog
began
coming home with strange but harmless symptoms of all kinds of disorders
and its owners would take it to the vet.  Vet was always puzzled but
told the owners it must have been eating some sort of vegetation that
was toxic.  As the vet bills continued to rise, the neighbors found it
cheaper to build a fence; which they did.



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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[Andrew Strasfogel]

If it's so worthless then you won't miss it.  Please deposit all your
worthless currency into my Paypal account.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:19 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:
>
> > The problem isn't expensive houses,
> > it's worthless currency.
>
>
> Yup.
>
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[Mountain Man]

--R wrote:
> Do we know anyone who works for Worldpac?

Q1 makes more money working at Worldpac than he ever made at bimby.
...hmmm...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Mountain Man]

Scott wrote:
> MAO: I can't speak to your experience.  But there are several factors here.
>
> Expectations: ...

> Second, productivity: ...

> On college: ...

> Finally, on jobs: ...

Been there, done that - all of what you say.  Never bought new car,
still driving a junker 3-pedal Mercedes 240D.
I find myself in the despised class today.  No debt ever, hence no
savings.  Younglings are raised that way also.  But if social security
or medi-whatever is gonna put me in the entitlement queen status - I
can do without and become dirt rather than participate.  I can ask
what I can do for my country and my answer can be to not participate.
That is the disappointment, personally.  Having done what a person can
do, living with less, doing with less, etc - and now the richey-rich
want me to suck sand? - okay.  They can have their $$, cast me off as
a queen, I'll be gone.  But, I will buy used USA stuff or local USA
stuff and be without.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Gerry Archer]

ROFL!!!

I think we'll become one huge ghetto such as some south and central american 
countries.

Gerry


On Jun 11, 2013 12:20 PM, "clay"  wrote:

We will have self centered, gay
married, indebted, under educated,
narcissist, bi-racial, test tube babies
living in subsidized housing, eating
soy and kombucha, while texting in
their driverless cars




Kombucha, now there's some nasty stuff.  Definitely worth a revolution.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.

[Gerry Archer]

Good ideas.  Where did you get the pump?  I tried a cheap drill pump, but I 
don't think the plastic it is made of liked the brake fluid since it got 
very tight to turn.

Gerry

From: "G Mann" 



I've been bleeding brakes and clutches for last 15 yrs from the bottom up.
It works , one man, every time.

I use an old fashioned hand oiler. New, never had oil in it, now dedicated
to brake fluid only.
[search NAPA for one.. less than $10].

I open the master cylinder and suck the fluid out, clean it up. Then 
attach

a clear poly tube to the bleed screw and the hand oiler. Open the bleed
screw and start pumping brake fluid from the bottom to the master
cylinder.  Start with the longest line first.  When you see fluid in the
master cylinder suck it out [the old fluid that was in the line] and pump
some more till it's clean fluid. Close bleed screw and move to the next
shorter line.

You don't need to fill the master cylinder from the bottom, just put 
enough

fluid from the wheel cylinder up to cover the bottom of the master tank..
You add a bit more with each wheel as you push fluid from the bottom up..
Air wants to go up.. not down.. so natural physics make bleeding easy.

Lately.. I've started to cheat even more. I now use a small cheap fuel 
pump
with clear poly hose... I use it to first suck fluid OUT of the bleed 
screw

till the master cyl is empty.. then reverse the connections and pump clean
fluid UP to the master... [pickup hose into the new can of brake fluid.. 
of

course]

A small 12vdc battery left over from a security system is enough to power
the pump. Takes me less than 15 minutes to bleed all 4 wheels and I always
get good results.. first time.

I'm spoiled now.. it's so painless I can remove/replace brake fluid as a
normal maintenance item..

FWIW,

Grant...


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


Curt Raymond wrote:


I need to wait for Angie to get home, she always loves helping me bleed
brakes...

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care/1-gallon-tank-sprayer/p-**1921841-c-10116.htm


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Re: [MBZ] For Wilton

[Gerry Archer]

I would make long sections of modules that were sensitive to both moisture 
and heat, put them under the bushes, and connect them to a solid state 
switching module that activated the moisture sensitive systems in the heat 
of the day, and heat sensitive systems in the cool of the day.  When the 
system was activated by the dogs urine; wet in the heat of the day and heat 
in the cool of the day; it would trigger the solid state module which would 
turn on the lawn (and bush) sprinkler system.  For houses with no sprinkler 
system, a single sprinkler pipe would be installed around the bushes, flower 
beds, etc. with sprinkler heads installed at appropriate internvals for 
complete coverage.
Heat and moisture sensitive components are not expensive but many would be 
required.
When the dogs urine first hit the sensors he would get wet.  Would a dog 
keep peeing if water started falling on him on hitting him in a stream?
Cost would probably be moderate; not cheap not expensive.  Interesting 
project for a DIYer.

Gerry
Once knew a pharmacy prof who had that problem.  Neighbors offending dog 
began
coming home with strange but harmless symptoms of all kinds of disorders and 
its owners would take it to the vet.  Vet was always puzzled but told the 
owners it must have been eating some sort of vegetation that was toxic.  As 
the vet bills continued to rise, the neighbors found it cheaper to build a 
fence; which they did.



WILTON wrote:

Great!  How should I address the female owner/walker?


Four letters, starts with 'C'.
Or five letters, starts with 'B' but might be mistaken for the dog.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
> Its not always possible of course, my hiking boots were made in Italy, but my 
> socks were made in the USA, my Redwing workboots were also made in the USA. I 
> fell into the trap of buying the cheapest whatever for a long time, its going 
> to take time to turn myself around. Meanwhile I think there are too many 
> people that bemoan the loss of American jobs while buying made in China junk.
>

You be doin good - kudos to ya on buy USA.
We been doin that for over 20 years.  When a buddy told me the work
conditions of china 25 years ago, we watched the tags and stopped
buying china.  When I didn't see USA on stuff at Walmart, we stopped
darkening that doorway, some 20 years ago.  Same with Target.  Mail
order from up your way too - llbean used to be primarily USA/Canada/UK
but now most is central america/china/too-expensive.  So, I buy used
Goodwill USA stuff today, or not at all.  Like you, we buy Red Wing,
but be careful there - their WorX brand is china.
The cheap junk doesn't need to abide work/environment rules USA has,
so their stuff is cheap and is ruinous to water and land.  Another
problem, no solution.  I didn't like the concepts of "service economy"
pushed by Tim Wirth and others in early 1980 - about the time you were
a twinkle in your mom's eye - or whatever we say.
Good for ya buy USA.  Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do
without - is the other great NE saying I like.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.

[Curt Raymond]

I like this idea Grant, I'm going to go get a new oiler tomorrow.
We worked on bleeding the brakes tonight but I ran out of brake fluid (I let a 
lot drain while I was changing the calipers) so we quit. I'll get 'er done 
tomorrow.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:01:51 -0700
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.
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I've been bleeding brakes and clutches for last 15 yrs from the bottom up.
It works , one man, every time.

I use an old fashioned hand oiler. New, never had oil in it, now dedicated
to brake fluid only.
[search NAPA for one.. less than $10].

I open the master cylinder and suck the fluid out, clean it up. Then attach
a clear poly tube to the bleed screw and the hand oiler. Open the bleed
screw and start pumping brake fluid from the bottom to the master
cylinder.  Start with the longest line first.  When you see fluid in the
master cylinder suck it out [the old fluid that was in the line] and pump
some more till it's clean fluid. Close bleed screw and move to the next
shorter line.

You don't need to fill the master cylinder from the bottom, just put enough
fluid from the wheel cylinder up to cover the bottom of the master tank..
You add a bit more with each wheel as you push fluid from the bottom up..
Air wants to go up.. not down.. so natural physics make bleeding easy.

Lately.. I've started to cheat even more. I now use a small cheap fuel pump
with clear poly hose... I use it to first suck fluid OUT of the bleed screw
till the master cyl is empty.. then reverse the connections and pump clean
fluid UP to the master... [pickup hose into the new can of brake fluid.. of
course]

A small 12vdc battery left over from a security system is enough to power
the pump. Takes me less than 15 minutes to bleed all 4 wheels and I always
get good results.. first time.

I'm spoiled now.. it's so painless I can remove/replace brake fluid as a
normal maintenance item..

FWIW,

Grant...

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[clay]

So true, Dan.  Used to be that a man (should include dames now) had to make his 
way in the world.  You came of age and the front door was opened and you were 
invited to go out into the wilderness.  If you grew up on the farm, maybe you 
already had a job to do, so join the family business, as would a number of 
other boys who were swept up by nepotism.  You were not beholden to the fat cat 
with the pocket watch chomping on a big cigar.  You owed him nothing, and he 
nothing to you.

This may have kept out GDP fairly low, as those with the cash were able to be 
robber barons and spread the wealth by investing in follies and foibles.  Hire 
up an army of men to build a large home, purchase more cars than Jay Leno, keep 
a spare dame in every town in her own apartment.  Maybe take his hungers to 
town and hit restaurants, shows, shops and stores.  Empty his pockets at a 
casino or three, keep the booze flowing and the lights on all over town.

Sure, the common folk did not get to live the high life, for that they had 
Miller Time.  But they had an honest days work and could take the money and 
provide for their needs, not the consumerist wants that Madison Avenue has 
screwed them into believing they deserve.  The man of today is beholden to all, 
and up to his eyebrows in the seven deadly sins.  Greed, lust, sloth, gluttony, 
pride, wrath, and envy.  And all the time thinking there is never going to be a 
price to pay for that.

Let the rich do as they will.   I think they would be more useful spreading 
their wealth through business, than to try to hide it from the taxman.  The 
working man should engage in a business that others need and reap the rewards 
of their patronage.  If you are not going to provide a quality service, you do 
not deserve to remain in business.  Goes for car makers, parts sellers, 
goobermints, and schools

clay


On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> clay wrote:
>> A good extended decline in non productive population could resolve the 
>> imbalance.  IF the social programs were trimmed, maybe there would be a 
>> small amount of initial pain, but those who will work, at ANYTHING, will 
>> figure it out, and the others will be left to fend for themselves, which is 
>> what they all will be doing anyway.
>> 
> 
> Actually, the largest entitlement queens in the country are the guys
> who can take their $$ anywhere in the world and not pay the taxes that
> support the low-end entitlement queen that are despised.
> 
> I mean to sing in the same chorus you are leading, but I am singing
> 2nd tenor, if there is such a position in the chorus.  Instead of
> taking what the country could give in social security entitlement, I
> will rather wave good bye at the gen-X/boomer and pass on rather than
> join a class despised in the culture.  Do what JFK speaks, ask what I
> can do for my country, my country of gen-X/boomer/gen-Y haters of non
> productive entitlement queens.  Queens that need State of Illinois
> retirement benefits to the tune of $90B, etc.
> 
> Ask not what your country can do for you - HA!! - that's a dead concept.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[WILTON]

Ordered 31 May; billed to my credit card 1 Jun; no parts rcvd and no 
response to inquiries 11 Jun.  Asked USAA Credit Card Services this evening 
to hold payment pending action and/or response on parts side.  I really hope 
all is well and we're just being too "jumpy."


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?


Ok so you paid for parts that have not arrived also? So who all is getting 
screwed at the moment?


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:27 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

That's my thought, too.  'Just initiated a hold on payment of the $267.XX 
bill until I can see some action/results on parts underway.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?



OEM implies that it's coming from MB, I would assume.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:11 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:


Does the OEM hose I'm awaiting come from Worldpac?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?


A short time ago I received an email from Trent regarding my order 
asserting that it is an issue with Worldpac who are unable to fulfill 
his requested parts orders (mine and others) despite having proper MB 
part numbers.

Do we know anyone who works for Worldpac?
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Mitch Haley]

Hendrik and Fay wrote:

Did you get the 2.7 compression ignition engine over there?


In the Sprinter.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Hendrik and Fay]

Did you get the 2.7 compression ignition engine over there?
I am starting to see a few cheaper M class over here but I read this 
http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/mercedes-benz/m-class/ and move on.


Hendrik
who has a two wheel drive SUV

On 12/06/13 05:47, OK Don wrote:

I think I averaged 20 or 21 mpg. Highest was 23, don't remember the lowest.
It's a truck with a nice interior - don't compare it to a car.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 11/06/2013 10:58 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


On Jun 10, 2013 6:59 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:


ML320 - first version. It's great in the
snow, has lots of clearance, has
MB safety, the initial issues have been
fixed if it's still on the road
now,


Wow, first time I've heard a first-gen ML recommended.   They got such a
bad rap when they were new.  So you're saying that the initial problems
weren't inherent to the design but were due to poor quality control at the
(then-new) factory in Old Alabammy?

Alex
__**_


Do I recall correctly that they are not very good in terms of fuel economy?

Randy








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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Mountain Man]

clay wrote:
> A good extended decline in non productive population could resolve the 
> imbalance.  IF the social programs were trimmed, maybe there would be a small 
> amount of initial pain, but those who will work, at ANYTHING, will figure it 
> out, and the others will be left to fend for themselves, which is what they 
> all will be doing anyway.
>

Actually, the largest entitlement queens in the country are the guys
who can take their $$ anywhere in the world and not pay the taxes that
support the low-end entitlement queen that are despised.

I mean to sing in the same chorus you are leading, but I am singing
2nd tenor, if there is such a position in the chorus.  Instead of
taking what the country could give in social security entitlement, I
will rather wave good bye at the gen-X/boomer and pass on rather than
join a class despised in the culture.  Do what JFK speaks, ask what I
can do for my country, my country of gen-X/boomer/gen-Y haters of non
productive entitlement queens.  Queens that need State of Illinois
retirement benefits to the tune of $90B, etc.

Ask not what your country can do for you - HA!! - that's a dead concept.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Ok so you paid for parts that have not arrived also? So who all is getting 
screwed at the moment?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:27 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> That's my thought, too.  'Just initiated a hold on payment of the $267.XX 
> bill until I can see some action/results on parts underway.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?
> 
> 
>> OEM implies that it's coming from MB, I would assume.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:11 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does the OEM hose I'm awaiting come from Worldpac?
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:24 PM
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?
>>> 
>>> 
 A short time ago I received an email from Trent regarding my order 
 asserting that it is an issue with Worldpac who are unable to fulfill his 
 requested parts orders (mine and others) despite having proper MB part 
 numbers.
 Do we know anyone who works for Worldpac?
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Re: [MBZ] UROwn experience -- a datum point

[Hendrik and Fay]

Well at least we have a quick response when someone asks what URO stuff 
is like.


Hendrik
who likes to put quality parts in a quality car

On 12/06/13 01:59, Mitch Haley wrote:

Craig wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:52:02 +0930 Hendrik and Fay 
wrote:


Isn't their sales slogan "with URO your on UROwn"?

Hendrik
who should go into marketing


Another one for the quotes page.


2nd the motion.

Mitch.





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Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[Chris James]

Not always.

It may state "Original Equipment Manufacturer" & show a picture of the
MB part on a Worldpac parts site BUT.Bosch does not always = the
Bosch part spec'd for your MB.

For instance, I can get aftermarket Bosch wiper blades at the local auto
parts store...if I'm ordering online I want the original MB part. There
IS a difference between the two! The MB spec'd blade of course being of
better quality, has better fitment & look. Unless your parts suppler is
ordering direct from Mercedes, there is a chance you won't be getting
what your expecting at times.

I ended up having to order another blade & washer nozzle from MB to
finally get the right ones for the early W201 I had.

Of course many OEM parts in other situations are fine, belts, hoses,
filters ect.with some MB dealers now offering online parts ordering
with info sourced from the EPC, not sure I'd bother with Worldpac or
anyone else when I have another MB that I need parts for


On 6/11/2013 7:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

OEM implies that it's coming from MB, I would assume.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:11 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:


Does the OEM hose I'm awaiting come from Worldpac?

Wilton



--
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[Allan Streib]

WILTON  writes:

> Just checked with credit card co. - no charges on acct.  Also, 'just spoke 
> to Q2's Girl Friday 'bout my 31 May order, "Has the order been placed; has 
> an invoice been generated?"  Awaiting call back.  Car continues to just 
> sit - starts and idles nicely for 3 or 4 minutes once per day.

This is the SDL?  It's not such a good idea to start and idle a diesel
for 3-4 minutes.  Just let it sit, if you can't drive it to full
operational temp.

Allan

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[MBZ] Subject: Re: 44 years OT

[RDeafBoy]

Kombucha, now there's some nasty stuff.  Definitely worth a  revolution.

Alex
 
Don't knock itI've been making my own kombucha tea for 11 years now-  
It's cheap way of maintaining your gut flora- the good bacteria  
that we need. This stronger immunity system helps the stomach 

supply the brain with needed serotonin via the Vagas nerve.  It's the 
brains second source for serotonin.
  I haven't had the flu and I DO NOT get flu shots.
 
Bob [But I'm still Deaf] damn  !
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Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[Allan Streib]

No, OEM means it's coming from a manufacturer that makes the parts for
MB.  WorldPac may be distributor.  OEM parts will not have the Star on
the box, but it should be the same part inside.

Allan

Dan Penoff  writes:

> OEM implies that it's coming from MB, I would assume.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:11 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:
>
>> Does the OEM hose I'm awaiting come from Worldpac?
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 

-- 
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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Subject: Parts dealers

[RDeafBoy]

Uh oh. Might have to take my business elsewhere.  Does the Parts Bin  charge
for s&h?

I found that  PartsBin you have to figure shipping added to your  cost 
,whereas with AutoPartsWarehouse with shipping included, the total  figure is 
almost the same as PartsBin. They're both the same  basically-related?  I 
bought from APW & the  receipt was from _www.thepartsbin.com. _ 
(http://www.thepartsbin.com. )Their warehouse was in Mid-New Jersey & I got 
the part the 
next day  here near Philly.
 
Bob
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: For Wilton

[WILTON]

Yep, that's a goodun, too.  ;<) 


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:39 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Re: For Wilton



WILTON wrote:

Great!  How should I address the female  owner/walker?


Just say.."Hey beautiful !!  ..No, not you the  dog"  (:< )

Bob
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes flying car speculation

[WILTON]

I've flown many thousands of miles on autopilot and auto-navigation; for 
example, in general aviation, follow radio beam (radial) to a station and 
turn automatically to follow another radial away from the station, etc., all 
with close monitoring and my full position and situational awareness. 
Auto-navigation part of it in B-52's generally by very sophisticated bombing 
and navigation system.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Gerry Archer" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes flying car speculation



Toyota-Google has already demonstrated a car that can drive itself:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/9117119/Google-technology-allows-Toyota-car-to-drive-itself.html

 Flying requires a whole different set of skills but there are already 
many planes that can fly themselves.


Gerry

From: "Hendrik and Fay" 
OK I'll put it this way, if they can't make a car that can drive itself, 
they cannot make a car that the average nut holding onto the steering 
wheel could fly.

Or would you trust your fellow motorist to not fly into you.

Hendrik
who has flown but is not a pilot

On 11/06/13 12:30, Gerry Archer wrote:


It might be, but in the US congestion is a bigger problem that flying 
cars would at least help.

Gerry


I disagree the next advance will be self driving cars.
Once the tech to do that has been worked out, cars will be able to fly 
themselves.

Hendrik
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[MBZ] Subject: Re: For Wilton

[RDeafBoy]

WILTON wrote:
> Great!  How should I address the female  owner/walker?

Just say.."Hey beautiful !!  ..No, not you the  dog"  (:< )
 
Bob
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Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[WILTON]

That's my thought, too.  'Just initiated a hold on payment of the $267.XX 
bill until I can see some action/results on parts underway.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?



OEM implies that it's coming from MB, I would assume.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:11 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:


Does the OEM hose I'm awaiting come from Worldpac?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?


A short time ago I received an email from Trent regarding my order 
asserting that it is an issue with Worldpac who are unable to fulfill 
his requested parts orders (mine and others) despite having proper MB 
part numbers.

Do we know anyone who works for Worldpac?
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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Subject: Parts dealers

[RDeafBoy]

Looks like thats just a placeholder, comes up with a bunch of  links.

-Curt


Surprised me too ! It's not the same... Honestly I haven't  look at 
this site for awhile since I bought my heater core at a great price !  OEM 
also  Sorry guys
 
Bob
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Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[Dan Penoff]

OEM implies that it's coming from MB, I would assume.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:11 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Does the OEM hose I'm awaiting come from Worldpac?
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:24 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?
> 
> 
>> A short time ago I received an email from Trent regarding my order asserting 
>> that it is an issue with Worldpac who are unable to fulfill his requested 
>> parts orders (mine and others) despite having proper MB part numbers.
>> Do we know anyone who works for Worldpac?
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] you know you want this

[Gerry Archer]

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Mitchell Marmel" 

Affirmative action comes to Stuttgart.
-MMM-


No Christmas tree lights along the sides?  No wheel spinners?
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Parts dealers

[Gerry Archer]

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Parts dealers



>On Jun 11, 2013 5:14 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:


 Looks like thats just a placeholder, comes up with a bunch of links.



Try www.thepartsbin.com

Alex
__


Apparently aurtohous Az bit the dust too.  I keep getting a recording that 
they are closed, and hours are 8-5 Mountain time.


Partsbin comes up as Parts-train and they don't show the 190D on the year, 
make, model selector.


Apologies to the purists, but I would just make a tee and use high quality 
(probably German) straight hose.  If the bends were too sharp I would use 
metal bends or search for the right configurations in NAPA or a FLAPS that 
carried good quality hose.  Been doing that sort of thing successfully for 
years.
Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes flying car speculation

[Gerry Archer]

Toyota-Google has already demonstrated a car that can drive itself:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/9117119/Google-technology-allows-Toyota-car-to-drive-itself.html

 Flying requires a whole different set of skills but there are already many 
planes that can fly themselves.


Gerry

From: "Hendrik and Fay" 
OK I'll put it this way, if they can't make a car that can drive itself, 
they cannot make a car that the average nut holding onto the steering 
wheel could fly.

Or would you trust your fellow motorist to not fly into you.

Hendrik
who has flown but is not a pilot

On 11/06/13 12:30, Gerry Archer wrote:


It might be, but in the US congestion is a bigger problem that flying 
cars would at least help.

Gerry


I disagree the next advance will be self driving cars.
Once the tech to do that has been worked out, cars will be able to fly 
themselves.

Hendrik
who has to drive the car





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Re: [MBZ] 190D lower radiator hose - more

[clay]

It probably is available, but I was waiting for Trent to get me the pump on 
time and I had the other hoses ready to go.  I had tried to install the bosch 
pump, but it was not built properly and was a poor fit.  I planned to just use 
a bit of old hose cut down to do the short hose job at that point.  Called 
Trent from the middle of the job and it seemed to go well, but being a holiday 
weekend and then a massive tie up on the main interstate next business day, 
pump came later than I had hoped.  Figured Stealership would have to order the 
part and car would be out of commission another week or more before I got it 
fixed.  I wanted to hit Griot Caffeine and gasoline with the car.  Maybe next 
month.


clay 


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Chris James wrote:

> 
> You don't have a sig with your MB's listed, 450SL isn't it?  IIRC it's green!
> 
> I'd be surprised if your local MB dealer couldn't order it for you. I'm sure 
> the hose must still be available from MB?
> 
> 
> On 6/11/2013 4:57 PM, clay wrote:
>> I did my water pump and hoses two weeks ago. The short hose between
>> the block and the pump was NLA from Trent, so I had to hit NAPA to
>> source something.  The hose I got was 1.75" id and a bit large for
>> the application, but I figured the hose clamps would take care of it.
>> Probably should have tried to find 42mm hose.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Curt Raymond]

I wasn't making any judgement, just pointing out. ;)

Most people don't have any idea what mileage they're getting. If you ask 
they'll say "about". I had a friend who claimed his Dodge extended cab with a 
318 v8 would do "about 20mpg". We did a trip to Vermont one time where I 
clocked it at 18mpg. Its hilly in Vermont but he was holding the speed down 
really trying to get the mileage up. After that he started really checking and 
realized on average he did more like 15mpg. That'd be on 128oz gallons.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:53:51 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opine away
Message-ID: <51b78e5f.90...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Was not pointing fingers. Just wanted to know if I was right that people 
complained about fuel economy.
My truck has averaged about 16 mpg over the time I have owned it. Lowest 
about 10 and highest about 22 mpg.
Remember that I am converting to imperial from kilometers so not US gallons.

Randy


On 11/06/2013 3:31 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Guy asking the question drives a Ford F150 Super Crew, EPA rated (and I took 
> the small engine with a manual trans) 14-18mpg.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 190D lower radiator hose - more

[Chris James]

You don't have a sig with your MB's listed, 450SL isn't it?  IIRC it's 
green!


I'd be surprised if your local MB dealer couldn't order it for you. I'm 
sure the hose must still be available from MB?



On 6/11/2013 4:57 PM, clay wrote:

I did my water pump and hoses two weeks ago. The short hose between
the block and the pump was NLA from Trent, so I had to hit NAPA to
source something.  The hose I got was 1.75" id and a bit large for
the application, but I figured the hose clamps would take care of it.
Probably should have tried to find 42mm hose.



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Re: [MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.

[Curt Raymond]

True Value in our neighborhood.
But for the frequency with which I'd need such a thing theres no point in 
constructing it. I've replaced calipers 3 times now in the 6 years we've lived 
here...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:22:25 -0500
From: OK Don 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.
Message-ID:

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Perhaps when she gets home she'll drive you to Ace to buy the parts for the
sprayer tank pressure bleeder  :-)


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Replaced the rear brakes on my '84 190D today, took about 2 hours start to
> finish which isn't bad. I did the whole deal, rotors, calipers, pads.
> Easier than on a 123 I think although rears are always easier than fronts.
>
> The driver's side outer piston had seized and the rotor had rusted badly.
> That seems to have caused the inner pad to wear heavily and make a lot of
> noise. I'll feel better knowing everything is sorted back there. Or it
> would be if I had somebody to help me bleed them. I need to wait for Angie
> to get home, she always loves helping me bleed brakes...
>
> Yeah, not so much but I keep telling myself she does.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.

[Rick Knoble]

On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "G Mann"  wrote:

> I'm spoiled now.. it's so painless I can remove/replace brake fluid as a
> normal maintenance item..


That's good, because it is a normal maintenance item. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[Rick Knoble]

On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:19 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:

> The problem isn't expensive houses,
> it's worthless currency.


Yup. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[WILTON]

Does the OEM hose I'm awaiting come from Worldpac?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?


A short time ago I received an email from Trent regarding my order 
asserting that it is an issue with Worldpac who are unable to fulfill 
his requested parts orders (mine and others) despite having proper MB 
part numbers.


Do we know anyone who works for Worldpac?

--R


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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[Dieselhead]

The poor slacks living there now don't have a chance... and if they did own
a "condo" , do they really "own it' ? [IMHO ,,, not really]

Grant...


Condo owners only pay for the ability to assume the liability of a 
homeowner, thus allowing the landlord (bank) to dodge liabilities. 
The landlord really does not own it either.  See what happens when 
the taxes are not paid.


Ol Chin Ho (the real one) made lotsa  money figgering out how to sell 
liability to schmucks.


If you don't know, Chin Ho invented the condominium to sell space in 
the Ilikai hotel when tourism tanked.  basically a 52 week timeshare


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[clay]

We did at one time take pride in the ability to make almost everything we need. 
 Then we decided to go for the lowest cost or highest cost item as either a way 
to survive or to show how wonderful we were as a person.  So we drive Mercedes 
and BMW, while eschewing Chubby and Frod.

Sam Walton got himself rich selling American to Americans. Now his progeny are 
reaping in treasures by selling chinese to americans who can no longer buy the 
goods they need made by their fellow citizens.  Even the goobermint wants to 
outsource the items it needs on the battle field for cheapo crap.

We are repatriating many of our manufacturing jobs.  Than can only be a good 
thing. Maybe we can encourage more entrepreneurs to build American.

clay

On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> I won't debate anything else you said but the quote below is just not true. 
> US manufacturing output is second only to China and that change is relatively 
> recent: 
> http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/charts-of-the-day-world-manufacturing-output-2011/
> 
> We don't make the things we used to make years ago but we still make a lot. 
> In fact I've started to look for the "Made In the USA" label as a lifestyle 
> change. If you aren't you don't have a right to bitch.
> 
> Its not always possible of course, my hiking boots were made in Italy, but my 
> socks were made in the USA, my Redwing workboots were also made in the USA. I 
> fell into the trap of buying the cheapest whatever for a long time, its going 
> to take time to turn myself around. Meanwhile I think there are too many 
> people that bemoan the loss of American jobs while buying made in China junk.
> 
> -Curt
> Bought a "Made in the USA" radiator hose today but was unable to do the same 
> for the brake parts.
> 
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:10:07 -0400
> From: "Scott Ritchey" 
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT
> Message-ID: <6F15C78E4B4747A1852341BD419066B2@ScottHPPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> 
> little manufacturing remains
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I would love to meet him!
On Jun 11, 2013 4:58 PM, "clay"  wrote:

> This is the eventual composite citizen who comprises all these attributes
>
> clay
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> > Are you refering to a single individual who comprises all those
> > attributes?  Or one individual per attribute?
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Jun 11, 2013 12:20 PM, "clay"  wrote:
> >>> We will have self centered, gay
> >>> married, indebted, under educated,
> >>> narcissist, bi-racial, test tube babies
> >>> living in subsidized housing, eating
> >>> soy and kombucha, while texting in
> >>> their driverless cars
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Kombucha, now there's some nasty stuff.  Definitely worth a revolution.
> >>
> >> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.

[G Mann]

I've been bleeding brakes and clutches for last 15 yrs from the bottom up.
It works , one man, every time.

I use an old fashioned hand oiler. New, never had oil in it, now dedicated
to brake fluid only.
[search NAPA for one.. less than $10].

I open the master cylinder and suck the fluid out, clean it up. Then attach
a clear poly tube to the bleed screw and the hand oiler. Open the bleed
screw and start pumping brake fluid from the bottom to the master
cylinder.  Start with the longest line first.  When you see fluid in the
master cylinder suck it out [the old fluid that was in the line] and pump
some more till it's clean fluid. Close bleed screw and move to the next
shorter line.

You don't need to fill the master cylinder from the bottom, just put enough
fluid from the wheel cylinder up to cover the bottom of the master tank..
You add a bit more with each wheel as you push fluid from the bottom up..
Air wants to go up.. not down.. so natural physics make bleeding easy.

Lately.. I've started to cheat even more. I now use a small cheap fuel pump
with clear poly hose... I use it to first suck fluid OUT of the bleed screw
till the master cyl is empty.. then reverse the connections and pump clean
fluid UP to the master... [pickup hose into the new can of brake fluid.. of
course]

A small 12vdc battery left over from a security system is enough to power
the pump. Takes me less than 15 minutes to bleed all 4 wheels and I always
get good results.. first time.

I'm spoiled now.. it's so painless I can remove/replace brake fluid as a
normal maintenance item..

FWIW,

Grant...


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>> I need to wait for Angie to get home, she always loves helping me bleed
>> brakes...
>>
>>  http://www.menards.com/main/**outdoors/gardening/lawn-plant-**
> care/1-gallon-tank-sprayer/p-**1921841-c-10116.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[clay]

This is the eventual composite citizen who comprises all these attributes

clay

On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Are you refering to a single individual who comprises all those
> attributes?  Or one individual per attribute?
> 
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2013 12:20 PM, "clay"  wrote:
>>> We will have self centered, gay
>>> married, indebted, under educated,
>>> narcissist, bi-racial, test tube babies
>>> living in subsidized housing, eating
>>> soy and kombucha, while texting in
>>> their driverless cars
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Kombucha, now there's some nasty stuff.  Definitely worth a revolution.
>> 
>> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 190D lower radiator hose - more

[clay]

I did my water pump and hoses two weeks ago. The short hose between the block 
and the pump was NLA from Trent, so I had to hit NAPA to source something.  The 
hose I got was 1.75" id and a bit large for the application, but I figured the 
hose clamps would take care of it.  Probably should have tried to find 42mm 
hose.  

I have been trying to find the leak that has been making big puddles under the 
car for the last ten days.  There is not a real puddle, just the dark spot on 
the street under the car (r107) almost directly where the TC lives.  Front end 
of the trans area has schmutz, and the drips were pretty few and far between 
when i camped out under the car looking to see where the drips were.  I would 
catch it out of the corner of my eye and then stare at the place I thought it 
came from for minutes, mind wandered and, plop, another drip missed.

Put it on ramps and that did make the puddle grow, so maybe it was fuel from 
the return line.  I had put an ounce of ATF in the tank to maybe loosen up 
engine crud, and if the line is leaking, the petrol would evaporate, but the 
oily bits of ATF could be left behind, making the spots.  What that did was 
increase the dripping and I could see a clearer liquid drip from the TC bottom. 
 Sort of oily and pale, like weak tea.  Could be fuel, but did not have that 
smell.  So I got the car out of the street, into the driveway and back on ramps 
then removed the air filter and poked around the fuel lines.

Looking at that short hose, I noticed a really good dripping.  Damn hose is too 
big, and maybe the coolant is flowing back along the head around the intake 
manifold and picking up oils then sliding down the rear of the block and onto 
the street.  I recall really cranking the clamps down, due to the oversize 
nature, but I gave it more attention and got almost another revolution of the 
screw and that seems to have slowed it down.  There was no indication of 
serious drop in the overflow tank from the leak, so I will need to keep and eye 
on it.

While the housing was off the car, I decided to deal with some surface 
oxidation and sanded and put high temp paint on.  That will spiff it up.  Then 
it decided to rain.  So I am now waiting for the weather to stop and dry so I 
can button it all up.

clay

On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Finally ordered the lower radiator hose from Amazon, none of the inquiries 
> I'd made yesterday got back to me yet. I parked the car facing away from the 
> garage while I did the brakes this afternoon and got a good drip directly 
> under the hose in question where it turns to go into the radiator. Everything 
> else is dry so theres nowhere else the leak could be.
> 
> Only leaks for an hour or so after shutdown, I'd guess only when pressure is 
> present. I'll loosen the radiator cap and only drive around town until I get 
> that replacement hose. Fortunately I don't need to commute until Wednesday of 
> next week.
> 
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Randy Bennell]

Was not pointing fingers. Just wanted to know if I was right that people 
complained about fuel economy.
My truck has averaged about 16 mpg over the time I have owned it. Lowest 
about 10 and highest about 22 mpg.

Remember that I am converting to imperial from kilometers so not US gallons.

Randy


On 11/06/2013 3:31 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Guy asking the question drives a Ford F150 Super Crew, EPA rated (and I took 
the small engine with a manual trans) 14-18mpg.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:17:27 -0500
From: OK Don 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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I think I averaged 20 or 21 mpg. Highest was 23, don't remember the lowest.
It's a truck with a nice interior - don't compare it to a car.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 11/06/2013 10:58 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


On Jun 10, 2013 6:59 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:


ML320 - first version. It's great in the
snow, has lots of clearance, has
MB safety, the initial issues have been
fixed if it's still on the road
now,


Wow, first time I've heard a first-gen ML recommended.   They got such a
bad rap when they were new.  So you're saying that the initial problems
weren't inherent to the design but were due to poor quality control at the
(then-new) factory in Old Alabammy?

Alex
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Do I recall correctly that they are not very good in terms of fuel economy?

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] The real purpose of Wilton Wheels

[Randy Bennell]

On 11/06/2013 11:48 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/83350040.jpg



He had better have an extended diff breather tube like the offroaders, 
or he has likely got a milkshake in the diff.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[G Mann]

First house I bought was a 4 bed, 2 bath brick on two acres of land with
trees and fence... total cost $8,000. Decent school within walking
distance, nice neighborhood.

That property has now been Bulldozed, and there is a 12 unit condo on it..
no yard... no trees. school is closed. Neighbors are "bad" [ie. it ain't
safe after dark], and each unit sells for $280K. plus taxes, condo fees, et
al .. ad nausium... Progress?

When I bought the place I was making $100 a week, plus overtime. I paid it
off in full ahead of time... mostly from side jobs..

The poor slacks living there now don't have a chance... and if they did own
a "condo" , do they really "own it' ? [IMHO ,,, not really]

Grant...


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

>
> If that was pre 1970 when gold was $35 an ounce, the same down payment (134
> ounces of gold) today would be 188K. The problem isn't expensive houses,
> it's worthless currency.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Strasfogel
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:17 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters
>
> My first down payment was $4,700.
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM, WILTON  wrote:
>
> > Yep, 'sounds familiar.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/06/2013 5:39 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> clay wrote:
> >>>
>  There are more starving younglings out there needing to make a stake
> so
> 
> >>> they can produce more workers.
> >>> I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out
> there
> >>> that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a
> >>> living.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> __**_
> >>>
> >>> Maybe but my boys are both working hard. My elder son is in Ottawa
> >> working as an intern architect.
> >> My younger son is here working as a mechanic.
> >> I worry about them getting into homes.
> >> An average house here is worth about $300K now so one needs over $30K to
> >> get the keys.
> >> Becoming more difficult for the kids to get started.
> >> My wife and I bought in 1981 with abou $3K down.
> >>
> >> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[clay]

Scott, your insight is great, but all the items you tick off really devolved to 
the same entity.  Risk.  The youth and Baby boomers are really risk averse as a 
whole.  There are many who are job creators, who have gambled and struggle 
every day to remain viable if not massively successful.

As a nation we have shied away from that, and instituted the assurance of 
vastly reduced risk in life.  Go to college, somehow it will be paid for.  Even 
if you screwed around horridly in secondary school, we will find a way for you 
to reap rewards you have not earned.  Take on the debt, of a house, a degree, a 
lifestyle beyond your means, there will be no Piper to pay, as we have removed 
the eventual pain.  Soon maybe even death will be vanquished.  We will allow 
you to destroy your financial future in an attempt to keep you alive by 
treating your cancer or lifestyle disease, so worry not about the bottle of 
booze, the cases of smokes, the triple bacon cheez burgers, the hours spent on 
you butt in front of the massive TV you could not really afford, while you 
consume cable tv you also can not afford.

The reduction of risk is counter evolutionary.  We are no longer weeding out 
the lesser qualified and encouraging the defective to increase in population.  
In nature there are boundaries, and you end up with a boom and then a crash.  
We think we are moderating that, but in reality, we are stoking the boom which 
will one day exceed our ability to feed that cancer and it will wipe out, much 
as our current wild fire policy, that which is was attempting to protect.

The housing bubble did not result in all that much pain. Nobody died.  Some 
lost homes, but the increase in homeless did not spike, the people moved into 
subsidized housing of some sort, be it parental homes, or socialized.  This 
lack of life and death results has robbed the people of the joys and passion of 
being alive.  If we must have Manna from heaven, at least we should be forced 
to wander the wilderness for two generations before we are allowed to find a 
home.  With four generations of socialism, we are going to have a massive 
crash, much as the soviets did when their experiment toppled.

clay


On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> 
> MAO: I can't speak to your experience.  But there are several factors here.
> 
> Expectations:  I see too many kids today (including my step children) that
> expect to live as well as their parents and they want it all NOW.  They do
> not (or will not) understand that their parents lived for decades with one
> junker car, no air conditioning, no cable or color TV or internet or cell
> phone, almost never ate out, almost never made or got long distance calls,
> and lived in a rented two room apartment or a room in a boarding house.  And
> this was after serving years in the military, living in a barracks.  But
> kids today are convinced that they need all the conveniences that the older
> generations spent their whole lives building and saving for, they are
> convinced they are entitled to all this stuff, right now, and the businesses
> and credit agencies are all too eager to let them have it as they get in
> debt over their heads.  By the way, this includes college:  they wabt it,
> they think they need it, they aren't willing to work for it, but they are
> willing to go into debt for it.
> 
> Second, productivity:  The value of whatever you produce must exceed the
> value of whatever you consume.  Otherwise you are digging the debt hole
> deeper, one way or another.  With all the laws, regulations, environmental
> restrictions, unions, cronyism, etc. in the US, it's almost impossible for
> an American to be as productive as a Chinaman, an Indonesian, an Indian,
> etc.  Our steel mills are gone, little manufacturing remains, mineral
> exploitation is fraught with environmental barriers, etc.  US agriculture is
> doing OK but it employs very few people and the work is harder than most
> native=born Americans are willing to do.  Bottom line, we as a country are
> doing exactly the same thing the young kids are doing:  we are borrowing
> without limit to support a lifestyle we haven't earned.
> 
> On college:  college costs are out of sight.  Why?  Supply and demand.  With
> federal loans the demand is huge and the supply is limited.  The colleges
> know that (with federal $$) the students (and taxpayers) will pay whatever
> it costs.  There is no incentive to control cost. In fact, the opposite is
> true: a more costly school is viewed as more exclusive and therefore,
> better.
> 
> Finally, on jobs:  Jobs are created by job creators.  These are people that
> take great personal risk in hopes of an eventual reward.  Most of these
> folks fail, often repeatedly.  If that's not enough reason to abandon this
> effort, we have as a nation created a social, regulatory, and tax
> environment that punishes the successful job creator.  So when you ask:
> where are the jobs, just remember who kill

Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Curt Raymond]

Guy asking the question drives a Ford F150 Super Crew, EPA rated (and I took 
the small engine with a manual trans) 14-18mpg.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:17:27 -0500
From: OK Don 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opine away
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I think I averaged 20 or 21 mpg. Highest was 23, don't remember the lowest.
It's a truck with a nice interior - don't compare it to a car.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 11/06/2013 10:58 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
>> On Jun 10, 2013 6:59 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
>>
>>> ML320 - first version. It's great in the
>>> snow, has lots of clearance, has
>>> MB safety, the initial issues have been
>>> fixed if it's still on the road
>>> now,
>>>
>> Wow, first time I've heard a first-gen ML recommended.   They got such a
>> bad rap when they were new.  So you're saying that the initial problems
>> weren't inherent to the design but were due to poor quality control at the
>> (then-new) factory in Old Alabammy?
>>
>> Alex
>> __**_
>>
>
> Do I recall correctly that they are not very good in terms of fuel economy?
>
> Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Curt Raymond]

I won't debate anything else you said but the quote below is just not true. US 
manufacturing output is second only to China and that change is relatively 
recent: 
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/charts-of-the-day-world-manufacturing-output-2011/

We don't make the things we used to make years ago but we still make a lot. In 
fact I've started to look for the "Made In the USA" label as a lifestyle 
change. If you aren't you don't have a right to bitch.

Its not always possible of course, my hiking boots were made in Italy, but my 
socks were made in the USA, my Redwing workboots were also made in the USA. I 
fell into the trap of buying the cheapest whatever for a long time, its going 
to take time to turn myself around. Meanwhile I think there are too many people 
that bemoan the loss of American jobs while buying made in China junk.

-Curt
Bought a "Made in the USA" radiator hose today but was unable to do the same 
for the brake parts.

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:10:07 -0400
From: "Scott Ritchey" 
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT
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Re: [MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

I need to wait for Angie to get home, she always loves helping me bleed 
brakes...


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Re: [MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.

[OK Don]

Perhaps when she gets home she'll drive you to Ace to buy the parts for the
sprayer tank pressure bleeder  :-)


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Replaced the rear brakes on my '84 190D today, took about 2 hours start to
> finish which isn't bad. I did the whole deal, rotors, calipers, pads.
> Easier than on a 123 I think although rears are always easier than fronts.
>
> The driver's side outer piston had seized and the rotor had rusted badly.
> That seems to have caused the inner pad to wear heavily and make a lot of
> noise. I'll feel better knowing everything is sorted back there. Or it
> would be if I had somebody to help me bleed them. I need to wait for Angie
> to get home, she always loves helping me bleed brakes...
>
> Yeah, not so much but I keep telling myself she does.
>
> -Curt
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[MBZ] 190D lower radiator hose - more

[Curt Raymond]

Finally ordered the lower radiator hose from Amazon, none of the inquiries I'd 
made yesterday got back to me yet. I parked the car facing away from the garage 
while I did the brakes this afternoon and got a good drip directly under the 
hose in question where it turns to go into the radiator. Everything else is dry 
so theres nowhere else the leak could be.

Only leaks for an hour or so after shutdown, I'd guess only when pressure is 
present. I'll loosen the radiator cap and only drive around town until I get 
that replacement hose. Fortunately I don't need to commute until Wednesday of 
next week.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[OK Don]

Exactly.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Jun 10, 2013 6:59 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
> >
> > ML320 - first version. It's great in the
> > snow, has lots of clearance, has
> > MB safety, the initial issues have been
> > fixed if it's still on the road
> > now,
>
> Wow, first time I've heard a first-gen ML recommended.   They got such a
> bad rap when they were new.  So you're saying that the initial problems
> weren't inherent to the design but were due to poor quality control at the
> (then-new) factory in Old Alabammy?
>
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[MBZ] 201 rear brakes sorted, well mostly.

[Curt Raymond]

Replaced the rear brakes on my '84 190D today, took about 2 hours start to 
finish which isn't bad. I did the whole deal, rotors, calipers, pads. Easier 
than on a 123 I think although rears are always easier than fronts.

The driver's side outer piston had seized and the rotor had rusted badly. That 
seems to have caused the inner pad to wear heavily and make a lot of noise. 
I'll feel better knowing everything is sorted back there. Or it would be if I 
had somebody to help me bleed them. I need to wait for Angie to get home, she 
always loves helping me bleed brakes...

Yeah, not so much but I keep telling myself she does.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Are you refering to a single individual who comprises all those
attributes?  Or one individual per attribute?

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Jun 11, 2013 12:20 PM, "clay"  wrote:
> > We will have self centered, gay
> > married, indebted, under educated,
> > narcissist, bi-racial, test tube babies
> > living in subsidized housing, eating
> > soy and kombucha, while texting in
> > their driverless cars
> >
> >
>
> Kombucha, now there's some nasty stuff.  Definitely worth a revolution.
>
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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[Scott Ritchey]

If that was pre 1970 when gold was $35 an ounce, the same down payment (134
ounces of gold) today would be 188K. The problem isn't expensive houses,
it's worthless currency.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

My first down payment was $4,700.

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> Yep, 'sounds familiar.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters
>
>
>
> On 10/06/2013 5:39 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> clay wrote:
>>>
 There are more starving younglings out there needing to make a stake so

>>> they can produce more workers.
>>> I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out there
>>> that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a
>>> living.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __**_
>>>
>>> Maybe but my boys are both working hard. My elder son is in Ottawa
>> working as an intern architect.
>> My younger son is here working as a mechanic.
>> I worry about them getting into homes.
>> An average house here is worth about $300K now so one needs over $30K to
>> get the keys.
>> Becoming more difficult for the kids to get started.
>> My wife and I bought in 1981 with abou $3K down.
>>
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[OK Don]

I think I averaged 20 or 21 mpg. Highest was 23, don't remember the lowest.
It's a truck with a nice interior - don't compare it to a car.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 11/06/2013 10:58 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
>> On Jun 10, 2013 6:59 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
>>
>>> ML320 - first version. It's great in the
>>> snow, has lots of clearance, has
>>> MB safety, the initial issues have been
>>> fixed if it's still on the road
>>> now,
>>>
>> Wow, first time I've heard a first-gen ML recommended.   They got such a
>> bad rap when they were new.  So you're saying that the initial problems
>> weren't inherent to the design but were due to poor quality control at the
>> (then-new) factory in Old Alabammy?
>>
>> Alex
>> __**_
>>
>
> Do I recall correctly that they are not very good in terms of fuel economy?
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Scott Ritchey]

MAO: I can't speak to your experience.  But there are several factors here.

Expectations:  I see too many kids today (including my step children) that
expect to live as well as their parents and they want it all NOW.  They do
not (or will not) understand that their parents lived for decades with one
junker car, no air conditioning, no cable or color TV or internet or cell
phone, almost never ate out, almost never made or got long distance calls,
and lived in a rented two room apartment or a room in a boarding house.  And
this was after serving years in the military, living in a barracks.  But
kids today are convinced that they need all the conveniences that the older
generations spent their whole lives building and saving for, they are
convinced they are entitled to all this stuff, right now, and the businesses
and credit agencies are all too eager to let them have it as they get in
debt over their heads.  By the way, this includes college:  they wabt it,
they think they need it, they aren't willing to work for it, but they are
willing to go into debt for it.

Second, productivity:  The value of whatever you produce must exceed the
value of whatever you consume.  Otherwise you are digging the debt hole
deeper, one way or another.  With all the laws, regulations, environmental
restrictions, unions, cronyism, etc. in the US, it's almost impossible for
an American to be as productive as a Chinaman, an Indonesian, an Indian,
etc.  Our steel mills are gone, little manufacturing remains, mineral
exploitation is fraught with environmental barriers, etc.  US agriculture is
doing OK but it employs very few people and the work is harder than most
native=born Americans are willing to do.  Bottom line, we as a country are
doing exactly the same thing the young kids are doing:  we are borrowing
without limit to support a lifestyle we haven't earned.

On college:  college costs are out of sight.  Why?  Supply and demand.  With
federal loans the demand is huge and the supply is limited.  The colleges
know that (with federal $$) the students (and taxpayers) will pay whatever
it costs.  There is no incentive to control cost. In fact, the opposite is
true: a more costly school is viewed as more exclusive and therefore,
better.

Finally, on jobs:  Jobs are created by job creators.  These are people that
take great personal risk in hopes of an eventual reward.  Most of these
folks fail, often repeatedly.  If that's not enough reason to abandon this
effort, we have as a nation created a social, regulatory, and tax
environment that punishes the successful job creator.  So when you ask:
where are the jobs, just remember who killed them.  It's the same story as
he goose that laid the golden egg.


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Scott wrote:
>> I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out there
>> that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a
>>living.
>
Then Mountain Man wrote:
>I think that is a gross mis-characterization.
>I think the other gross mis-characterization is that many have school
>loans that are fundamentally discouraging.  And there are many who
>realize that nothing will ever get them to decent wage or position.  I
>always thought I could get to decent wage or position but didn't.
>Grunt in professional firm is all that math/physics got me.  I did
>enjoy making younglings and living.  So, ya 'spose I told my kids
>coledg is all important? - not by my experience.
>mao





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Scott Ritchey]

MAO: I can't speak to your experience.  But there are several factors here.

Expectations:  I see too many kids today (including my step children) that
expect to live as well as their parents and they want it all NOW.  They do
not (or will not) understand that their parents lived for decades with one
junker car, no air conditioning, no cable or color TV or internet or cell
phone, almost never ate out, almost never made or got long distance calls,
and lived in a rented two room apartment or a room in a boarding house.  And
this was after serving years in the military, living in a barracks.  But
kids today are convinced that they need all the conveniences that the older
generations spent their whole lives building and saving for, they are
convinced they are entitled to all this stuff, right now, and the businesses
and credit agencies are all too eager to let them have it as they get in
debt over their heads.  By the way, this includes college:  they wabt it,
they think they need it, they aren't willing to work for it, but they are
willing to go into debt for it.

Second, productivity:  The value of whatever you produce must exceed the
value of whatever you consume.  Otherwise you are digging the debt hole
deeper, one way or another.  With all the laws, regulations, environmental
restrictions, unions, cronyism, etc. in the US, it's almost impossible for
an American to be as productive as a Chinaman, an Indonesian, an Indian,
etc.  Our steel mills are gone, little manufacturing remains, mineral
exploitation is fraught with environmental barriers, etc.  US agriculture is
doing OK but it employs very few people and the work is harder than most
native=born Americans are willing to do.  Bottom line, we as a country are
doing exactly the same thing the young kids are doing:  we are borrowing
without limit to support a lifestyle we haven't earned.

On college:  college costs are out of sight.  Why?  Supply and demand.  With
federal loans the demand is huge and the supply is limited.  The colleges
know that (with federal $$) the students (and taxpayers) will pay whatever
it costs.  There is no incentive to control cost. In fact, the opposite is
true: a more costly school is viewed as more exclusive and therefore,
better.

Finally, on jobs:  Jobs are created by job creators.  These are people that
take great personal risk in hopes of an eventual reward.  Most of these
folks fail, often repeatedly.  If that's not enough reason to abandon this
effort, we have as a nation created a social, regulatory, and tax
environment that punishes the successful job creator.  So when you ask:
where are the jobs, just remember who killed them.  It's the same story as
he goose that laid the golden egg.


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Scott wrote:
>> I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out there
>> that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a
>>living.
>
Then Mountain Man wrote:
>I think that is a gross mis-characterization.
>I think the other gross mis-characterization is that many have school
>loans that are fundamentally discouraging.  And there are many who
>realize that nothing will ever get them to decent wage or position.  I
>always thought I could get to decent wage or position but didn't.
>Grunt in professional firm is all that math/physics got me.  I did
>enjoy making younglings and living.  So, ya 'spose I told my kids
>coledg is all important? - not by my experience.
>mao





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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jun 11, 2013 12:20 PM, "clay"  wrote:
> We will have self centered, gay
> married, indebted, under educated,
> narcissist, bi-racial, test tube babies
> living in subsidized housing, eating
> soy and kombucha, while texting in
> their driverless cars
>
>

Kombucha, now there's some nasty stuff.  Definitely worth a revolution.

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[clay]

I am aware of that, but what sort of mess will the world be in if something is 
not done?  

We will have self centered, gay married, indebted, under educated, narcissist, 
bi-racial, test tube babies living in subsidized housing, eating soy and 
kombucha, while texting in their driverless cars 

On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:55 PM, OK Don wrote:

> Every generation has said that about the one following them ---
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM, clay  wrote:
> 
>> There needs to be a rather large correction to society and industry such
>> that the people who feel deserving are shown that you deserve nothing more
>> than what you made your own self.  That life is not fair or reasonable and
>> you do not get a prize for showing up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay wrote:
 There are more starving younglings out there needing to make a stake so
>>> they can produce more workers.
 
>>> 
>>> I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out there
>>> that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a
>> living.
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[Andrew Strasfogel]

My first down payment was $4,700.

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> Yep, 'sounds familiar.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters
>
>
>
> On 10/06/2013 5:39 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> clay wrote:
>>>
 There are more starving younglings out there needing to make a stake so

>>> they can produce more workers.
>>> I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out there
>>> that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a
>>> living.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __**_
>>>
>>> Maybe but my boys are both working hard. My elder son is in Ottawa
>> working as an intern architect.
>> My younger son is here working as a mechanic.
>> I worry about them getting into homes.
>> An average house here is worth about $300K now so one needs over $30K to
>> get the keys.
>> Becoming more difficult for the kids to get started.
>> My wife and I bought in 1981 with abou $3K down.
>>
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Sounds like bs to me. Maybe he did not pay his bill

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Rich Thomas  
wrote:

> A short time ago I received an email from Trent regarding my order asserting 
> that it is an issue with Worldpac who are unable to fulfill his requested 
> parts orders (mine and others) despite having proper MB part numbers.
> 
> Do we know anyone who works for Worldpac?
> 
> --R
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[MBZ] Response from Trent -- Worldpac problems?

[Rich Thomas]

A short time ago I received an email from Trent regarding my order 
asserting that it is an issue with Worldpac who are unable to fulfill 
his requested parts orders (mine and others) despite having proper MB 
part numbers.


Do we know anyone who works for Worldpac?

--R


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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[Rich Thomas]

I am still waiting from Friday.

--R

On 6/11/13 11:19 AM, WILTON wrote:

I'll await call today from Trent or Girl Friday before proceeding.



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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Parts dealers

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Uh oh. Might have to take my business elsewhere.  Does the Parts Bin charge
for s&h?
On Jun 11, 2013 12:41 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> Which might explain why they haven't replied to my email.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:25:46 -0500
> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Parts dealers
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> >On Jun 11, 2013 5:14 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
> >>
> >>  Looks like thats just a placeholder, comes up with a bunch of links.
> >>
> >
> >Try www.thepartsbin.com
> >
> >Alex
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> that they are closed, and hours are 8-5 Mountain time.
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Re: [MBZ] For Wilton

[WILTON]

Several years ago, it was, "Please, pardon me, lady, do you REALLY think its 
OK to bring your dog to MY yard to do his business?"  She immediately began 
taking another walking route, and I haven't seen her again.  Bank finally 
foreclosed on her house year or so ago.  'Different "lady" and dog now; 
'don't know where she lives.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] For Wilton



Whole lotta anger there. LOL.
On Jun 11, 2013 1:03 PM, "Benz Hogs"  wrote:


Hey "B" quit letting your "B" piss on my plants!
Put it next to the "No Trespassing" sign

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)

On 6/11/2013 9:41 AM, WILTON wrote:


Great!  How should I address the female owner/walker?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: [MBZ] For Wilton


 Saw this online and immediately thought of you.

http://static.happyplace.com/**assets/images/2013/02/**510eb8f2be073.jpg

An easy passive/agressive answer to your problems.

*warning, naughty language*


-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] For Wilton

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Whole lotta anger there. LOL.
On Jun 11, 2013 1:03 PM, "Benz Hogs"  wrote:

> Hey "B" quit letting your "B" piss on my plants!
> Put it next to the "No Trespassing" sign
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)
>
> On 6/11/2013 9:41 AM, WILTON wrote:
>
>> Great!  How should I address the female owner/walker?
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" 
>> To: "Diesel List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:24 AM
>> Subject: [MBZ] For Wilton
>>
>>
>>  Saw this online and immediately thought of you.
>>> http://static.happyplace.com/**assets/images/2013/02/**510eb8f2be073.jpg
>>>
>>> An easy passive/agressive answer to your problems.
>>>
>>> *warning, naughty language*
>>>
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Benz Hogs]

2nd, 3rd, and 4th that.  I have to work VERY hard to get my ML to slide 
anywhere.  Parked at a friends house on their snow-packed street, and 
almost busted my ass when I first walked on the street.  Couldn't tell 
it was that slick when I was driving


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)

On 6/10/2013 8:59 PM, OK Don wrote:

ML320 - first version. It's great in the snow, has lots of clearance, has
MB safety, the initial issues have been fixed if it's still on the road
now, and did I mention that it's a Mercedes?


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:13 PM, clay  wrote:


I suspect she will not be in the hinterlands and it only needs to get her
to and from work and the grocery store.   I am told the streets are not
plowed during daytime driving hours while it snows.  Everybody goes home
and the plows come out.  Biggest issue would then be that snow fell, it
made a blanket upon the road while she was at work, and it is now as many
inches high as the clearance of the car.

A number of options have been floated for just what sort of vehicle she
wants.  Being petite, she likes the venza awd.  They are not yet off lease,
and she is too tight with cash to purchase new.  A truck would be
practical.  I am going to leave it to her to figure out, as I will not be
affected by the weather or snow at my hovel.

I do get a head scratcher about all the smaller cars that are for sale on
CL in AK.   Maybe they are summer cars, but not everybody there can afford
seasonal vehicle ownership.

clay







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Re: [MBZ] The real purpose of Wilton Wheels

[WILTON]

'Finally found a useful purpose for those ridiculous farm wagon wheels.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] The real purpose of Wilton Wheels



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Re: [MBZ] For Wilton

[Benz Hogs]

Hey "B" quit letting your "B" piss on my plants!
Put it next to the "No Trespassing" sign

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)

On 6/11/2013 9:41 AM, WILTON wrote:

Great!  How should I address the female owner/walker?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: [MBZ] For Wilton



Saw this online and immediately thought of you.
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/02/510eb8f2be073.jpg

An easy passive/agressive answer to your problems.

*warning, naughty language*


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Parts dealers

[Brian Toscano]

I got a fraudulent $800 charge on my credit card from Parts Geek.  Strange.



On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

>
> Thanks, Dave.  Might try Rockauto.
> Gerry
>
>  There are a handful of vendors who will not pay return shipping even if
>> they screw up and ship an incorrect part. Partsgeek is one of them. That
>> attitude alone keeps me away regardless of price.
>>
>> Dave
>> SoCal
>>
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:29 PM, "Gerry Archer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I've ordered several parts from PartsGeek which is in New Jersey.  Their
>>> prices seem to be fair and they have a wide selection of brands; at least
>>> on my 300D engine mounts; 6 brands including Lemfordner at $22.xx.
>>> http://www.partsgeek.com
>>>
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[MBZ] The real purpose of Wilton Wheels

[Mitch Haley]

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Parts dealers

[Curt Raymond]

Which might explain why they haven't replied to my email.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:25:46 -0500
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>On Jun 11, 2013 5:14 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
>>
>>  Looks like thats just a placeholder, comes up with a bunch of links.
>>
>
>Try www.thepartsbin.com
>
>Alex
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Apparently aurtohous Az bit the dust too.  I keep getting a recording 
that they are closed, and hours are 8-5 Mountain time.

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Randy Bennell]

On 11/06/2013 10:58 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Jun 10, 2013 6:59 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:

ML320 - first version. It's great in the
snow, has lots of clearance, has
MB safety, the initial issues have been
fixed if it's still on the road
now,

Wow, first time I've heard a first-gen ML recommended.   They got such a
bad rap when they were new.  So you're saying that the initial problems
weren't inherent to the design but were due to poor quality control at the
(then-new) factory in Old Alabammy?

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Randy

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Re: [MBZ] For Wilton

[WILTON]

'My thoughts, too.  ;<)

Wilton

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WILTON wrote:

Great!  How should I address the female owner/walker?


Four letters, starts with 'C'.
Or five letters, starts with 'B' but might be mistaken for the dog.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] For Wilton

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:

Great!  How should I address the female owner/walker?


Four letters, starts with 'C'.
Or five letters, starts with 'B' but might be mistaken for the dog.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] UROwn experience -- a datum point

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:52:02 +0930 Hendrik and Fay 
wrote:


Isn't their sales slogan "with URO your on UROwn"?

Hendrik
who should go into marketing


Another one for the quotes page.


2nd the motion.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] you know you want this

[WILTON]

Nope.  Not at all.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] you know you want this



On 11/06/2013 7:41 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/accessory/title-Illuminated_Star/id-OEMPartNo:AQ1110

--R

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I don't like the led eyebrows either.

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jun 10, 2013 6:59 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
>
> ML320 - first version. It's great in the
> snow, has lots of clearance, has
> MB safety, the initial issues have been
> fixed if it's still on the road
> now,

Wow, first time I've heard a first-gen ML recommended.   They got such a
bad rap when they were new.  So you're saying that the initial problems
weren't inherent to the design but were due to poor quality control at the
(then-new) factory in Old Alabammy?

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Re: [MBZ] you know you want this

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I don't like the led eyebrows either.

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I've seen some sort of Deetriot iron with those.  Way annoying/ungly IMHO.

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Re: [MBZ] you know you want this

[Randy Bennell]

On 11/06/2013 7:41 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/accessory/title-Illuminated_Star/id-OEMPartNo:AQ1110 



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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[WILTON]

BTW, $119 w/tax and coupla days for OEM hose from Lieth Mercedes, Raleigh, 
and I'm assuming a REAL hose - not an imaginary one.  I'll await call today 
from Trent or Girl Friday before proceeding.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point


Just checked with credit card co. - no charges on acct.  Also, 'just spoke 
to Q2's Girl Friday 'bout my 31 May order, "Has the order been placed; has 
an invoice been generated?"  Awaiting call back.  Car continues to just 
sit - starts and idles nicely for 3 or 4 minutes once per day.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point


No it is not a temper tantrum.  It is a matter of sharing FACTS related 
to someone many of us might find important in dealing with our cars, as 
was Rusty.  I think many of us were willing to support his efforts in 
this business, expecting a similar level of service, or at least hoping 
for such, based on initial comms in that regard.


I paid this guy for some basic parts.  His person Kerri took the order 
and took my money Friday a week ago.  She was pleasant and had my info 
there. Good enough.


I expected to receive the goods within a few days, she said she would try 
to get the order in that Friday afternoon, barring that, Monday.  Good 
enough.  No different from many other orders from Rusty over the years, 
this guy is the "new Rusty" basically doing the same thing.  No 
particular reason to expect a different experience.  He takes an order, 
ships what he has or passes it on to Worldpac, whatever works.


On Friday morning I sent TF an email asking where the stuff was, thinking 
a week was long enough to get stuff shipped out given my previous 
experiences.  He sent back a msg saying he would get back to me when he 
got to the office later on.  I heard nothing back on Friday.


I called 2X this morning asking what the story was.  2 different people 
answered and said they would pass the msg along for him to call me back. 
That was hours ago, no call.  He has gone dark. Nice.


Others have bought stuff from this guy and have not received their 
orders, and he is not responding to queries -- emails or phone calls.  He 
has gone dark on them owing them parts/money.  Nice.


I did some research to see if I could find out the guy's story.  I found 
that info about the DUI.  That suggests to me we might be dealing with 
someone who has responsibility issues, in addition to my and others' 
experiences with ordering parts, but you draw your own conclusions based 
on that info and my/others' experiences, more FACTS.  I found other info 
too that is a bit concerning.


Now I have to try to figure out how to either get my stuff, or get my 
$150 back, or some combination of the 2.  Its not like I am going 
destitute over the $150 but it just really pisses me off.


I am upset because I had expected to get this car sorted last week then 
drive to my daughter on the past weekend to give her this car, then take 
the car she has to my son who now needs a car.  This problem has given me 
a larger headache and caused some other issues due to lack of 
carry-through by this guy.  Not the least having my son and my wife on my 
ass to get the car deal sorted within a hard time constraint and other 
life issues.  So it is causing me more headache and likely more money to 
get a plane ticket sorted.  I have basically lost 10 days on this guy and 
his lack of responsiveness having taken my money.  That pisses me off 
too.


I am interested to know any other parts of the entire story if you, he, 
or anyone else can share it with me.  So far I have related FACTS as I 
know them, but perhaps he has suffered some malady that prevents his 
attention to business, or something.  I am open to education in that 
regard and will consider it, apologize, whatever.


I suggest that anyone else contemplating ordering stuff from this guy 
might want to evaluate other alternatives given what I know to be FACTUAL 
information about this guy, but, as always, YMMV and you are welcome to 
spend your money however you want.


--R



On 6/10/13 4:09 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
Wow.  Sounds just like a temper tantrum to me.  I do not suppose that he 
knows the entire story, now does he?


Jon


On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:


On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:41 PM, "Jon Agne"  wrote:

Just wondering why you would ever want to post something like 
that..


Because it is public information.

Because he is angry.

Because no one likes losing money.

Because if you have a business, you communicate and try to rectify 
problems as they arise. Granted, some people will never be satisfied, 
regardless of the level of service provided, but a brief explanation 
can go along way to smooth ruffled feathers with most folk

Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[WILTON]

Just checked with credit card co. - no charges on acct.  Also, 'just spoke 
to Q2's Girl Friday 'bout my 31 May order, "Has the order been placed; has 
an invoice been generated?"  Awaiting call back.  Car continues to just 
sit - starts and idles nicely for 3 or 4 minutes once per day.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point


No it is not a temper tantrum.  It is a matter of sharing FACTS related to 
someone many of us might find important in dealing with our cars, as was 
Rusty.  I think many of us were willing to support his efforts in this 
business, expecting a similar level of service, or at least hoping for 
such, based on initial comms in that regard.


I paid this guy for some basic parts.  His person Kerri took the order and 
took my money Friday a week ago.  She was pleasant and had my info there. 
Good enough.


I expected to receive the goods within a few days, she said she would try 
to get the order in that Friday afternoon, barring that, Monday.  Good 
enough.  No different from many other orders from Rusty over the years, 
this guy is the "new Rusty" basically doing the same thing.  No particular 
reason to expect a different experience.  He takes an order, ships what he 
has or passes it on to Worldpac, whatever works.


On Friday morning I sent TF an email asking where the stuff was, thinking 
a week was long enough to get stuff shipped out given my previous 
experiences.  He sent back a msg saying he would get back to me when he 
got to the office later on.  I heard nothing back on Friday.


I called 2X this morning asking what the story was.  2 different people 
answered and said they would pass the msg along for him to call me back. 
That was hours ago, no call.  He has gone dark. Nice.


Others have bought stuff from this guy and have not received their orders, 
and he is not responding to queries -- emails or phone calls.  He has gone 
dark on them owing them parts/money.  Nice.


I did some research to see if I could find out the guy's story.  I found 
that info about the DUI.  That suggests to me we might be dealing with 
someone who has responsibility issues, in addition to my and others' 
experiences with ordering parts, but you draw your own conclusions based 
on that info and my/others' experiences, more FACTS.  I found other info 
too that is a bit concerning.


Now I have to try to figure out how to either get my stuff, or get my $150 
back, or some combination of the 2.  Its not like I am going destitute 
over the $150 but it just really pisses me off.


I am upset because I had expected to get this car sorted last week then 
drive to my daughter on the past weekend to give her this car, then take 
the car she has to my son who now needs a car.  This problem has given me 
a larger headache and caused some other issues due to lack of 
carry-through by this guy.  Not the least having my son and my wife on my 
ass to get the car deal sorted within a hard time constraint and other 
life issues.  So it is causing me more headache and likely more money to 
get a plane ticket sorted.  I have basically lost 10 days on this guy and 
his lack of responsiveness having taken my money.  That pisses me off too.


I am interested to know any other parts of the entire story if you, he, or 
anyone else can share it with me.  So far I have related FACTS as I know 
them, but perhaps he has suffered some malady that prevents his attention 
to business, or something.  I am open to education in that regard and will 
consider it, apologize, whatever.


I suggest that anyone else contemplating ordering stuff from this guy 
might want to evaluate other alternatives given what I know to be FACTUAL 
information about this guy, but, as always, YMMV and you are welcome to 
spend your money however you want.


--R



On 6/10/13 4:09 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
Wow.  Sounds just like a temper tantrum to me.  I do not suppose that he 
knows the entire story, now does he?


Jon


On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:


On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:41 PM, "Jon Agne"  wrote:

Just wondering why you would ever want to post something like 
that..


Because it is public information.

Because he is angry.

Because no one likes losing money.

Because if you have a business, you communicate and try to rectify 
problems as they arise. Granted, some people will never be satisfied, 
regardless of the level of service provided, but a brief explanation can 
go along way to smooth ruffled feathers with most folks.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes flying car speculation

[WILTON]

And publish a NOTAM as to date and time and file an accurate flight plan, so 
the rest of us can clear the area.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes flying car speculation



I wouldn't trust the average fellow motorist to fly anything.


I'd trust them to fly only one mission!

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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[WILTON]

Yep, 'sounds familiar.

Wilton

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From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters



On 10/06/2013 5:39 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:


clay wrote:

There are more starving younglings out there needing to make a stake so

they can produce more workers.
I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out there
that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a 
living.




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Maybe but my boys are both working hard. My elder son is in Ottawa working 
as an intern architect.

My younger son is here working as a mechanic.
I worry about them getting into homes.
An average house here is worth about $300K now so one needs over $30K to 
get the keys.

Becoming more difficult for the kids to get started.
My wife and I bought in 1981 with abou $3K down.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] For Wilton

[WILTON]

Great!  How should I address the female owner/walker?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: [MBZ] For Wilton



Saw this online and immediately thought of you.
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/02/510eb8f2be073.jpg

An easy passive/agressive answer to your problems.

*warning, naughty language*


-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[Randy Bennell]

On 10/06/2013 5:39 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:


clay wrote:

There are more starving younglings out there needing to make a stake so

they can produce more workers.
I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out there
that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a living.



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Maybe but my boys are both working hard. My elder son is in Ottawa 
working as an intern architect.

My younger son is here working as a mechanic.
I worry about them getting into homes.
An average house here is worth about $300K now so one needs over $30K to 
get the keys.

Becoming more difficult for the kids to get started.
My wife and I bought in 1981 with abou $3K down.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Parts dealers

[Dieselhead]

On Jun 11, 2013 5:14 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:


 Looks like thats just a placeholder, comes up with a bunch of links.



Try www.thepartsbin.com

Alex
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Apparently aurtohous Az bit the dust too.  I keep getting a recording 
that they are closed, and hours are 8-5 Mountain time.


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[MBZ] For Wilton

[Curt Raymond]

Saw this online and immediately thought of you.
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/02/510eb8f2be073.jpg

An easy passive/agressive answer to your problems.

*warning, naughty language*


-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Parts dealers

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jun 11, 2013 5:14 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
>
> Looks like thats just a placeholder, comes up with a bunch of links.
>

Try www.thepartsbin.com

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes flying car speculation

[Jim Cathey]

I wouldn't trust the average fellow motorist to fly anything.


I'd trust them to fly only one mission!

-- Jim



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