Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>>
>> Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite!
>> I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle.
>> http://www.autotrader.com/**cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.**
>> xhtml?listingId=344895354
>>
>
> False alarm?
> The interior pics look more like Parchment to me.
>
>
I love any variation on green/tan too.  But 2WD 210s are as bad as
rodbender 603s, as far as I'm concerned.  Will we ever be able to assume
that all the extant ones with rusty spring perches have been recalled and
repaired?  Or will there always be some out there, like Wilton's 350SDL,
that just don't show the symptoms and will always be an unknown quantity?

Alex
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[MBZ] Nice S350D on eBay

[Chris James]

A 1994 Mercedes-Benz S350D I found on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/321146781394

"Im open to driving anywhere in the US if you cover expenses"

Nice color combo & additional options include front heated seats & ASD!
Shame about the phone mount, but that's fixable. Wish I had the cash


--
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Past MB Models:
'85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Craig]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:39:21 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Not in CS.  Definitely a meat and potatoes crowd for the most part.  No
> tofu that I ever saw.  Just a lot of the outdoorsy stuff, hence the
> Subarus.  And Jeeps.

We had a 1961 Willys Utility Wagon with a Ford 302. It went really well
and got better mileage than the '59 Wagon we had with the Hurrican inline
6 cylinder engine.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Craig]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Mountain Man 
wrote:

> There is nothing bad to say about CSpgs except that today it appears as
> if the idiocy of housing development that is the ruination of much of
> the beauty we knew 25 years ago is relentless.

It's amazing the changes that have occurred.


> We learned to enjoy the wonder of the beauty of the grasses in all
> seasons especially the Fall when they dried out and the colors were
> immense.  Plenty of natural diversity and beauty in all the open land
> that we knew.  Golden eagles 2-miles from home, antelope, 60-mph dirt
> road, raw milk - life was memorable.

We had deer, antelope, LARGE owls, badgers, skunks 

We also had a 523' deep well. Once we got rid of the iron-fixing
bacteria, the water was fine.


> Craig can chime in - he lived north of where we lived.

I was listening to Tom Minnery of Focus on the Family talking about the
Black Forest fire (where we lived before we moved out to the plains). He
said that it's much drier there now than it was 20 years ago. I thought
it was dry enough then.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:


Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite!
I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354 


False alarm?
The interior pics look more like Parchment to me.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite!
I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354

Those don't look like 'always garaged' headlight lenses to me.
Of course, if it was a daily driver, it could have spent all daylight hours in a 
parking lot five days a week.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=347059854

This might be a decent deal, but a bit more than Curt's looking to pay:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=349133627

Offer this guy $2500 and see what happens:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=348607486


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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Dan Penoff]

I was just joking with the inlaws about all the cars we bought for under $1000 
years ago.

I can recall buying some pretty decent cars for $500.

Dan pinin' for the days of cheap cars and even cheaper gas

On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Actually this is an exceptionally bad time to be buying a used car period. 
> Theres not much available for $1500 that runs and drives. Before looking at 
> the TDI I looked at a Saab. $1500 car with a little rust but many warning 
> signs, none of the radio etc. worked, the brake light never went out, the CEL 
> is on, parking brake inop...
> 
> In 2003 for $1500 I could buy a pretty nice car that wouldn't really need 
> anything for 10,000 miles.
> 
> -Curt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

Actually this is an exceptionally bad time to be buying a used car period. 
Theres not much available for $1500 that runs and drives. Before looking at the 
TDI I looked at a Saab. $1500 car with a little rust but many warning signs, 
none of the radio etc. worked, the brake light never went out, the CEL is on, 
parking brake inop...

In 2003 for $1500 I could buy a pretty nice car that wouldn't really need 
anything for 10,000 miles.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:31:03 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
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clay wrote:
> I have cousins who sells VW.  He advises strongly against purchasing used, as 
> they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep running.

The one Curt was talking about seemed to be a VW price, but well into W210 
territory by the time all the known and unknown faults are fixed.
Most TDIs, I agree with you, the sellers seem to think they are made of gold 
unless they've got 200k on the odo.

I think, in general, you're right about buying new as opposed to overpaying for 
old.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

I was all set to buy it until I found that video...

My plan right now is to wait and week and see if he's still got it, maybe even 
go down there with twenty-five Ben Franklins and see if that makes a 
difference. I'll detail the turbo problem for him and remind him of the CEL 
which sounds like its probably glow plugs (hard cold start and it doesn't come 
on until the engine has been running around 30 sec) but he doesn't need to know 
that part ;)

This car is pretty basic, manual crank windows, no sunroof. It'd be a good 
replacement for my 240D in that regard.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:34:39 -0700
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On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just
> like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U
>


Yeeesh, they definitely aren't supposed to sound like that.   My ex has a
2000 New Bug TDI that we bought new (same engine as the '98).  It wasn't a
Mercedes, but it was a fine car for the price and got great fuel mileage
(40 highway with the automatic, stick cars do about 5 mpg better).  The
normal turbo sound is very distinctive, sort of like a vacuum cleaner but
higher-pitched and tapering off as the car accelerates from a stop.

Things to watch out for:
  -  Frequent oil changes with the correct spec of synthetic oil, 505 point
something.  Dealers were notorious when the TDIs were new in the late '90s
for ignoring VW's service bulletins and putting dino oil in them, greatly
shortening turbo life and leading to...
  -  ...Soot buildup in the intake.  Much like with the 300D 2.5, the EGR
system seems expressly designed to clog the intake manifold with soot,
making the car run rough.  Solution is to take it off and soak it out, but
it's harder to do that in the tight space around a transverse engine than
in an M-B.  (Especially bad in the Beetle where a third of the engine is
tucked under the dashboard, sort of like a full-size van.)
  - Electrical gremlins.  VW has come a long way since the '80s when it
seemed like the circuitry in their cars was constructed from bent
paperclips and bits of chewing-gum wrapper with the shiny side out, but
they still seem to be more likely to have electrical difficulties than a
Japanese or American car of comparable age.  Power windows that don't work
are probably an easy fix--IIRC there was a recall for faulty regulators at
some point--but anything more complex or intermittent is a red flag.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Dan Penoff]

Not in CS.  Definitely a meat and potatoes crowd for the most part.  No tofu 
that I ever saw.  Just a lot of the outdoorsy stuff, hence the Subarus.  And 
Jeeps.

Dan


On Jun 22, 2013, at 8:28 PM, clay wrote:

> Subaru and granola are the staples of Seattle or PDX.  But you have to have 
> the PNW twist to anything else.  The folks here like to bugger up real food 
> by giving it a tweak.  Not ever a good thing.
> 
> clay
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

clay wrote:

I have cousins who sells VW.  He advises strongly against purchasing used, as 
they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep running.


The one Curt was talking about seemed to be a VW price, but well into W210 
territory by the time all the known and unknown faults are fixed.
Most TDIs, I agree with you, the sellers seem to think they are made of gold 
unless they've got 200k on the odo.


I think, in general, you're right about buying new as opposed to overpaying for 
old.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] R134 stockpile

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

It's called attwoods, local oklahoma chain

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On Jun 22, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Rich Thomas  
wrote:

> What farm store?  I gotta get me a tank, those little cans are like $10 now, 
> crazy.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 6/22/13 6:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> I have been stockpiling r134. The local farm store has 30lb tanks on sale 
>> for 89. Normal price 119. Last time I bought it this cheap was several years 
>> ago at sams and since then like 149 it seems. I got 150lbs on hand now. I 
>> may buy some more but that should hold me over for a long time. Most of my 
>> vehicles are 134, don't have a lot of r12 stuff but I do have about 30lbs of 
>> that also.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[clay]

Subaru and granola are the staples of Seattle or PDX.  But you have to have the 
PNW twist to anything else.  The folks here like to bugger up real food by 
giving it a tweak.  Not ever a good thing.

clay



On Jun 22, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Colorado Springs is semi-arid.  The soil is often just sand.  There is no
> major water source nearby.  The drinking water comes from far away places
> through a series of pipes and tunnels.  As far as the Subaru's and granola,
> Dan you should continue to live in your cesspools and sinkholes known as
> the Midwest and Florida since you seem to know very little about the area.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:05 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> 
>> Co. Springs looked mighty good to me, but I didn't get out into the
>> desert. 'Course, that was on visits from Greenland and after 2½ years in
>> Mojave Desert (George AFB, Victorville, CA.)   ;<)
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 e300
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> With the current drought, I guess the answer would be barely. However,
>>> in >Oregon where we came from and may move back to again, there is more
>>> than >enough water most of the time.
>>> 
 Kevin in the port, Colorado
 
>>> 
>>> I had an opportunity most people will snap up in a second.  It was to
>>> move to the CO Springs area for work.  I went out and looked around, and
>>> decided I could not live in a desert, even though the MBCA HQ was there.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[clay]

I have cousins who sells VW.  He advises strongly against purchasing used, as 
they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep running.

clay

On Jun 22, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Anybody here got any experience with a Jetta TDI?
> I went to look at a '98 today, 177,xxx miles. Its got a bunch of little 
> issues but seems fundamentally sound. The only thing I wondered about is a 
> bit of turbo whine when you really get into it. I didn't spend enough time 
> looking at the intake plumbing but the turbo seems to definitely whistle and 
> I'm a little nervous that means a bad turbo.
> 
> On the bad side the guy has a folder full of records that doesn't include a 
> timing belt so I'd definitely be doing that immediately. I watched a Youtube 
> video of the process and it looks pretty easy, certainly easier than a 
> headgasket on a 240D. It also needs the parking brake sorted, the front turn 
> signals don't work and the high beam switch doesn't stay on. Like I said, 
> nothing too major.
> 
> On the plus it has ICE COLD AC. ;)
> 
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Mountain Man]

Dieselhead wrote:
> I had an opportunity most people will snap up in a second.  It was to move
> to the CO Springs area for work.

We took up that opportunity that was offered to us in mid '80's and
knew nothing of what we were getting in to.  What happens if we needed
a hospital? etc.  My kids say our worst mistake as a family was to
move away from the abode we had in the moose pasture east of CSpgs.
We were on a 200-foot deep well in to the Black Squirrel aquifer -
absolutely without challenge the best water in the world which also
served as recharge to deeper wells people in Denver drew from.  Sod
field with irrigation rig to play under across the road.  Dumped my
used oil in the bar-ditch - my bad.  The city was 35 minutes west from
the abode we enjoyed and the city had everything we could ever want,
plus 5 major govt military installations - NORAD, AF Academy, Ft
Carson, Peterson AFB, Shriever AFB.  That total military mission may
have grown by now.  There is nothing bad to say about CSpgs except
that today it appears as if the idiocy of housing development that is
the ruination of much of the beauty we knew 25 years ago is
relentless.  We learned to enjoy the wonder of the beauty of the
grasses in all seasons especially the Fall when they dried out and the
colors were immense.  Plenty of natural diversity and beauty in all
the open land that we knew.  Golden eagles 2-miles from home,
antelope, 60-mph dirt road, raw milk - life was memorable.  All things
end - no sense trying to return to something that was - it all
changes.
Craig can chime in - he lived north of where we lived.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Dan Penoff]

Now settle down.  I was just joking.

I know the area well, as I have two friends who live there - one who works for 
HP and lives on the southwest side of town, and another who is a teacher at 
Doherty High School.  I have visited both of them numerous times over the 
years, so I have been there and had direct experience with the area and its 
residents.  I would add that both of them are borderline Subaru/granola folks, 
and they're just fine with that...

I would add that I have stayed in the immediate area for extended times in my 
former career while commissioning the ADMAX (Supermax) Federal Penitentiary in 
Florence.  It's not the 'Springs, but it's pretty much in the backyard.

As for cesspools, there aren't any in Florida that I know of, since anyone 
familiar with the geology of Florida would know that you can't dig holes here 
without them filling up with water.  Sinkholes are not unique to Florida.  
There are active sinkhole areas in Texas, Kentucky, Alabama, Missouri, 
Tennessee and Pennsylvania.



On Jun 22, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Colorado Springs is semi-arid.  The soil is often just sand.  There is no
> major water source nearby.  The drinking water comes from far away places
> through a series of pipes and tunnels.  As far as the Subaru's and granola,
> Dan you should continue to live in your cesspools and sinkholes known as
> the Midwest and Florida since you seem to know very little about the area.


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Re: [MBZ] MPG

[Mountain Man]

Mike wrote:
> Suzuki DR650it's the w123 of bikes with a touch of G-wagen blended in.
>

My son drives a w123 and just sold his DR650 to a guy that is going to
ride it to South America.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] R134 stockpile

[Rich Thomas]

What farm store?  I gotta get me a tank, those little cans are like $10 
now, crazy.


--R


On 6/22/13 6:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have been stockpiling r134. The local farm store has 30lb tanks on sale for 
89. Normal price 119. Last time I bought it this cheap was several years ago at 
sams and since then like 149 it seems. I got 150lbs on hand now. I may buy some 
more but that should hold me over for a long time. Most of my vehicles are 134, 
don't have a lot of r12 stuff but I do have about 30lbs of that also.

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Brian Toscano]

The 1998 is a lot more tinny than the 2000.  Water pump is aux belt driven
on the '98 but timing belt driven on the '00.  Rotary pump, electronically
controlled.  Rear drum brakes.  All in all I liked the 2000 better than the
1998.  Drove each for a few years.



On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> > Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just
> > like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U
> >
>
>
> Yeeesh, they definitely aren't supposed to sound like that.   My ex has a
> 2000 New Bug TDI that we bought new (same engine as the '98).  It wasn't a
> Mercedes, but it was a fine car for the price and got great fuel mileage
> (40 highway with the automatic, stick cars do about 5 mpg better).  The
> normal turbo sound is very distinctive, sort of like a vacuum cleaner but
> higher-pitched and tapering off as the car accelerates from a stop.
>
> Things to watch out for:
>   -  Frequent oil changes with the correct spec of synthetic oil, 505 point
> something.  Dealers were notorious when the TDIs were new in the late '90s
> for ignoring VW's service bulletins and putting dino oil in them, greatly
> shortening turbo life and leading to...
>   -  ...Soot buildup in the intake.  Much like with the 300D 2.5, the EGR
> system seems expressly designed to clog the intake manifold with soot,
> making the car run rough.  Solution is to take it off and soak it out, but
> it's harder to do that in the tight space around a transverse engine than
> in an M-B.  (Especially bad in the Beetle where a third of the engine is
> tucked under the dashboard, sort of like a full-size van.)
>   - Electrical gremlins.  VW has come a long way since the '80s when it
> seemed like the circuitry in their cars was constructed from bent
> paperclips and bits of chewing-gum wrapper with the shiny side out, but
> they still seem to be more likely to have electrical difficulties than a
> Japanese or American car of comparable age.  Power windows that don't work
> are probably an easy fix--IIRC there was a recall for faulty regulators at
> some point--but anything more complex or intermittent is a red flag.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Brian Toscano]

Colorado Springs is semi-arid.  The soil is often just sand.  There is no
major water source nearby.  The drinking water comes from far away places
through a series of pipes and tunnels.  As far as the Subaru's and granola,
Dan you should continue to live in your cesspools and sinkholes known as
the Midwest and Florida since you seem to know very little about the area.




On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:05 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> Co. Springs looked mighty good to me, but I didn't get out into the
> desert. 'Course, that was on visits from Greenland and after 2½ years in
> Mojave Desert (George AFB, Victorville, CA.)   ;<)
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 e300
>
>
>
>  >With the current drought, I guess the answer would be barely. However,
>> in >Oregon where we came from and may move back to again, there is more
>> than >enough water most of the time.
>>
>>> Kevin in the port, Colorado
>>>
>>
>> I had an opportunity most people will snap up in a second.  It was to
>> move to the CO Springs area for work.  I went out and looked around, and
>> decided I could not live in a desert, even though the MBCA HQ was there.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] R134 stockpile

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I have been stockpiling r134. The local farm store has 30lb tanks on sale
> for 89. Normal price 119. Last time I bought it this cheap was several
> years ago at sams and since then like 149 it seems. I got 150lbs on hand
> now. I may buy some more but that should hold me over for a long time. Most
> of my vehicles are 134, don't have a lot of r12 stuff but I do have about
> 30lbs of that also.
>
>
Good idea, since it may soon go the way of R12 in favor of the new
high-pressure extra-dangerous stuff, R1234.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just
> like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U
>


Yeeesh, they definitely aren't supposed to sound like that.   My ex has a
2000 New Bug TDI that we bought new (same engine as the '98).  It wasn't a
Mercedes, but it was a fine car for the price and got great fuel mileage
(40 highway with the automatic, stick cars do about 5 mpg better).  The
normal turbo sound is very distinctive, sort of like a vacuum cleaner but
higher-pitched and tapering off as the car accelerates from a stop.

Things to watch out for:
  -  Frequent oil changes with the correct spec of synthetic oil, 505 point
something.  Dealers were notorious when the TDIs were new in the late '90s
for ignoring VW's service bulletins and putting dino oil in them, greatly
shortening turbo life and leading to...
  -  ...Soot buildup in the intake.  Much like with the 300D 2.5, the EGR
system seems expressly designed to clog the intake manifold with soot,
making the car run rough.  Solution is to take it off and soak it out, but
it's harder to do that in the tight space around a transverse engine than
in an M-B.  (Especially bad in the Beetle where a third of the engine is
tucked under the dashboard, sort of like a full-size van.)
  - Electrical gremlins.  VW has come a long way since the '80s when it
seemed like the circuitry in their cars was constructed from bent
paperclips and bits of chewing-gum wrapper with the shiny side out, but
they still seem to be more likely to have electrical difficulties than a
Japanese or American car of comparable age.  Power windows that don't work
are probably an easy fix--IIRC there was a recall for faulty regulators at
some point--but anything more complex or intermittent is a red flag.

Alex
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[MBZ] R134 stockpile

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have been stockpiling r134. The local farm store has 30lb tanks on sale for 
89. Normal price 119. Last time I bought it this cheap was several years ago at 
sams and since then like 149 it seems. I got 150lbs on hand now. I may buy some 
more but that should hold me over for a long time. Most of my vehicles are 134, 
don't have a lot of r12 stuff but I do have about 30lbs of that also.

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Rich Thomas]

Some other poor sucker will buy it.  And no, I doubt if it will make a 
difference unless you can beat him down to maybe $2500.


--R


On 6/22/13 5:07 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I wonder if telling him the turbo whine is real bad will make a difference?



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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like 
this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U

Looks like a new replacement is $600+, used more like $300. 
The car was advertised at $3500, I got him down to $3000. I figure all the other issues its got, together, come to around $700 which includes the timing belt and a replacement radio. I wonder if telling him the turbo whine is real bad will make a difference?


Wonder how hard it would be to put my 2005 E300CDI turbo on it?
Probably very hard to turn the fuel up to 200hp to match.

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like 
this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U

Looks like a new replacement is $600+, used more like $300. 
The car was advertised at $3500, I got him down to $3000. I figure all the 
other issues its got, together, come to around $700 which includes the timing 
belt and a replacement radio. I wonder if telling him the turbo whine is real 
bad will make a difference?

-Curt

--- On Sat, 6/22/13, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> From: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Any TDI folks here?
> To: "Diesel List" 
> Date: Saturday, June 22, 2013, 2:10 PM
> Anybody here got any experience with
> a Jetta TDI?
> I went to look at a '98 today, 177,xxx miles. Its got a
> bunch of little issues but seems fundamentally sound. The
> only thing I wondered about is a bit of turbo whine when you
> really get into it. I didn't spend enough time looking at
> the intake plumbing but the turbo seems to definitely
> whistle and I'm a little nervous that means a bad turbo.
> 
> On the bad side the guy has a folder full of records that
> doesn't include a timing belt so I'd definitely be doing
> that immediately. I watched a Youtube video of the process
> and it looks pretty easy, certainly easier than a headgasket
> on a 240D. It also needs the parking brake sorted, the front
> turn signals don't work and the high beam switch doesn't
> stay on. Like I said, nothing too major.
> 
> On the plus it has ICE COLD AC. ;)
> 
> -Curt
> 

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Re: [MBZ] not mine 300td

[Mitch Haley]

Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

looks like a deal

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/pts/3821750941.html


A 1985 TD parts car, running, with an extra 1985 TD engine and transmission, for 
$850?

Andrew could have used that a while back.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

Anybody here got any experience with a Jetta TDI?
I went to look at a '98 today, 177,xxx miles. Its got a bunch of little issues 
but seems fundamentally sound. The only thing I wondered about is a bit of 
turbo whine when you really get into it. I didn't spend enough time looking at 
the intake plumbing but the turbo seems to definitely whistle and I'm a little 
nervous that means a bad turbo.

On the bad side the guy has a folder full of records that doesn't include a 
timing belt so I'd definitely be doing that immediately. I watched a Youtube 
video of the process and it looks pretty easy, certainly easier than a 
headgasket on a 240D. It also needs the parking brake sorted, the front turn 
signals don't work and the high beam switch doesn't stay on. Like I said, 
nothing too major.

On the plus it has ICE COLD AC. ;)

-Curt

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[MBZ] not mine 300td

[Rick Hawkins Java]

looks like a deal

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/pts/3821750941.html


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[WILTON]

Co. Springs looked mighty good to me, but I didn't get out into the desert. 
'Course, that was on visits from Greenland and after 2½ years in Mojave 
Desert (George AFB, Victorville, CA.)   ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 e300


>With the current drought, I guess the answer would be barely. However, in 
>Oregon where we came from and may move back to again, there is more than 
>enough water most of the time.

Kevin in the port, Colorado


I had an opportunity most people will snap up in a second.  It was to move 
to the CO Springs area for work.  I went out and looked around, and 
decided I could not live in a desert, even though the MBCA HQ was there.


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Re: [MBZ] The 190D rides again

[WILTON]

'Nother ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: [MBZ] The 190D rides again


I guess after two successful commuting days I can declare a little victory. 
My 190D is back in business.
Turns out I didn't need a radiator hose, a radiator (from my local Car 
Quest) did the job. Good thing too, the day after it was supposed to be 
delivered the Amazon seller finally admitted they didn't have the hose I'd 
ordered...


I also put new brakes on the rear and thanks to Fred's speedy bleeder they 
work a treat.


Tonight I figured I'd reward the old buggy with a new belly full of M1 
5w40. I don't remember exactly how many miles we've gone, more than 10,000 
but fewer than 20,000. I should have pulled a sample but I forgot.
While I was there I replaced the valve cover gasket which has been cracked 
and leaking for awhile. That makes me feel good.


Now I need to figure out the paint code and get a custom rattle can made 
up so I can fix a little topside rust and do a little welding under the 
jack points and it should be good for awhile.


-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] MPG

[Michael Canfield]

Suzuki DR650it's the w123 of bikes with a touch of G-wagen blended
in.

Mike
On Jun 21, 2013 9:09 PM, "ernest breakfield" <
erne...@backyardengineering.org> wrote:

> we've been looking at another car for when the wifes econobox finally
> disintegrates (pushing 300K on her Corolla now!) and i'm seriously
> considering trying to find a nice W126 with another 617 in it.
> as for what to do when my aging R1150GS Adv finally croaks, i have no
> idea; the only other thing that really interests me is a big KTM, and i'm
> probably not going to be able to get one of those before they go all
> hypertechy with the new liter-plus version.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
> On 19/Jun/13 12:39, Dieselhead wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, they knew what they were doing back then.  Even in the 50 and 60s
>> they did well with the technology of the day, and still were advanced for
>> the day.  Unfortunately the bowties took over about 1987 and the old guard
>> engineers retired or were forced into a box.  Other than safety, I don't
>> see any appeal of a newish MB over deetriot iron or riceburners.  In fact,
>> it is sad to say, but most camries are more aesthetically pleasant than ~
>> 2010+ MBs.
>>
>> I can say the same for BMW motorsickles too.  /2 and earlier, /5, /6 and
>> even /7 look nice.  the current crop look like a riceburner, except for the
>> ones with jugs hanging out look like riceburners with jugs.  Even the early
>> K series could be distinguished on the road as a BMW.
>>
>>
>> All reasons I like 123 240Ds and my /5.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Michael Canfield]

Argh.  There it is again.  A reminder that Dr. Booth was human after
all.

Compared to the price of a new car, there is no better bargain for the
money than an old Benz in decent shape.

Cheap is a relative term.  I have maybe $2000 in my 83 and have been
driving it daily, like a taxi really, for near 2 years now.  I say that is
real cheap.  My friend Jon has $450 in his 85td he bought as a parts
car...been driving that for 2 years now and constantly gets compliments
on it.

Anyway, nice find!  Hope your cheap Mercedes gives you many miles of
service!

Mike
On Jun 21, 2013 3:43 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> On 21/06/2013 12:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> A dealer customer of mine got in a 95 e300 SE on trade last week. They
>> had $500 in it. I gave them a couple hundred on top of that and it's mine.
>> It's silver/grey, 169k miles. Has the SE wheels and the burl wood but no
>> heated seats etc. does have the build in phone and cd changer in the trunk.
>>
>>
>>  Get the "For Sale" sign on it quick.
>
> Remember "There is no such thing as a cheap Mercedes"
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Dan Penoff]

Just as they issue sidearms when you move to Texas, you would have been 
required to buy a Subaru and eat copious amounts of granola had you moved 
there.  The MBCA HQ is hardly a draw.

Great place for a barbecue right now, too.

Dan


On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

>> With the current drought, I guess the answer would be barely. However, in 
>> Oregon where we came from and may move back to again, there is more than 
>> enough water most of the time.
>> Kevin in the port, Colorado
> 
> I had an opportunity most people will snap up in a second.  It was to move to 
> the CO Springs area for work.  I went out and looked around, and decided I 
> could not live in a desert, even though the MBCA HQ was there.
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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Dieselhead]

With the current drought, I guess the answer would be barely. 
However, in Oregon where we came from and may move back to again, 
there is more than enough water most of the time.

Kevin in the port, Colorado


I had an opportunity most people will snap up in a second.  It was to 
move to the CO Springs area for work.  I went out and looked around, 
and decided I could not live in a desert, even though the MBCA HQ was 
there.


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