Re: [MBZ] take 3

[Gary Hurst]

i've tried to work with people in training.  i've not found any good
partners or people on my ass.  the best i ever had was when i hung out at
the gym and was the lame mascot to the bodybuilder types who dug the fact
that i was the only fat cripple they'd ever seen who was willing to try to
walk the walk.  this was also a very unusually inclusive group who only
cared about sincerity.  we even had a bona fide homeless schizophrenic!
(although no gays.  somehow these guys went insane at the slightest hint of
gay)

if i had money, i could hire someone to ride my ass, but i don't.  i get
really lazy.  sometimes i'll train consistently for a month or two but then
i end up doing nothing for a month or two.  sometimes i'm eating really
well and other times getting the all you can eat pancakes at midnight at
steak & shake.  teh best way i can sum it up is to say i'm too into my own
relaxed comfort and am not serious about it.  i'm not willing to accept
this as ok but i haven't changed it

two guys you probably know who really serve to inspire me are bob rentfro
and john gregor.  i gotta get to doing it more like they do than just
admiring it from afar and saying "wow, that's great.  i ought to do that!"


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> No. Family make horrible accountability people.  Get someone neutral, they
> can be more firm while they build a trust relationship with you.
>
>
>
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>
> On 8/27/2013 12:06 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> n, i'm in a situation where i'm taking care of everyone else, who take
>> me for granted and don't get the concept that maybe someone ought to help
>> take care of me.  my mom is 81 and mostly just likes to watch the images
>> flicker across the TV screen and my kid is 16 and a mess for a lifetime of
>> her mother
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Louie Louie

[Gary Hurst]

a lot of people dig it but it's just pain to me.  there are many who think
it's the greatest thing ever written.

but it's easy to understand what i'm looking for.  i like a good compelling
story.  i like some nice songs. i like a few jokes.  i'm the kinda guy who
wants to always be seeing don giovanni.  or der rosenkavalier.  i love der
rosenkalier and tend to dig richard strauss.  but then something like
elektra will just turn me off for lack of jokes and pretty songs.  the
jokes are big for me. for example, take donizetti.  i love l'elisir d'amore
but take out the jokes and give me lucia di lammermoor and i'm unhappy

only verdi has the power to get over with me without the jokes!


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> Don't worry, I'll subject myself to it this season at the Lyric :)
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
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>
> On 8/26/2013 1:47 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> over six hours.  no real songs at all. i still have nightmares
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] take 3

[Benz Hogs]

No. Family make horrible accountability people.  Get someone neutral, 
they can be more firm while they build a trust relationship with you.



Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 8/27/2013 12:06 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

n, i'm in a situation where i'm taking care of everyone else, who take
me for granted and don't get the concept that maybe someone ought to help
take care of me.  my mom is 81 and mostly just likes to watch the images
flicker across the TV screen and my kid is 16 and a mess for a lifetime of
her mother




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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Benz Hogs]

GV does do texting.  I can text from my phone or computer (via email).

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 8/26/2013 2:12 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

And does GV even allow SMS mesages these days?


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Re: [MBZ] take 3

[Gary Hurst]

n, i'm in a situation where i'm taking care of everyone else, who take
me for granted and don't get the concept that maybe someone ought to help
take care of me.  my mom is 81 and mostly just likes to watch the images
flicker across the TV screen and my kid is 16 and a mess for a lifetime of
her mother


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> So do it.  Do you have someone there that is stubborn enough to hold you
> accountable?
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
>
> On 8/26/2013 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> that' really the point to explore, luther.  i am still eating way too much
>> and working way too little and i am not all that young anymore, so an
>> argument can be made to stop messing about and step up the program
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Benz Hogs 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  So you're going the right direction, AWESOME!  Now there's no reason you
>>> cannot go the right direction FASTER :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
>>> '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
>>>
>>> On 8/25/2013 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>>>
>>>  ah, luther, you wouldn't be impressed by me.  i'm a typical fat man.
  i'm
 lazy and like to eat and good at both those things

 the only real progress i've made since i was last around you fellas is
 that
 i am much small clothes wise.  i was an 8x or 9x back in the glory days
 but
 a 5x today.  i look to lose a size a year, which just isn't going to
 make
 it in sgt benzhog's beloved corps, but it's better than gaining a size a
 year for sure!


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Re: [MBZ] OT Louie Louie

[Benz Hogs]

Don't worry, I'll subject myself to it this season at the Lyric :)

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 8/26/2013 1:47 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

over six hours.  no real songs at all. i still have nightmares



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Re: [MBZ] take 3

[Benz Hogs]

So do it.  Do you have someone there that is stubborn enough to hold you 
accountable?


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 8/26/2013 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

that' really the point to explore, luther.  i am still eating way too much
and working way too little and i am not all that young anymore, so an
argument can be made to stop messing about and step up the program


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:


So you're going the right direction, AWESOME!  Now there's no reason you
cannot go the right direction FASTER :)


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 8/25/2013 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


ah, luther, you wouldn't be impressed by me.  i'm a typical fat man.  i'm
lazy and like to eat and good at both those things

the only real progress i've made since i was last around you fellas is
that
i am much small clothes wise.  i was an 8x or 9x back in the glory days
but
a 5x today.  i look to lose a size a year, which just isn't going to make
it in sgt benzhog's beloved corps, but it's better than gaining a size a
year for sure!



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Re: [MBZ] Any interest in a Euro W124 trailer hitch?

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Sorry Kaleb... already sold to a friend.


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I would be interested in the wagon with the hitch
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > modification.  Overall, its a very nice hitch.  Fixed european sized
> ball.
> > I always used a 2" coupler without a problem.  Its only a few years old,
> > but does show some surface rust.
> >
> > Anyone interested in it?  I'm in Northern NJ and would rather not ship
> it.
> > Make me a offer that makes it worth my time to remove.  Its a fairly
> > involved process, from what I remember I have to remove the carpeting off
> > the rear floor, and pull the wiring harness out the dashboard.  I paid
> > something like EUR300 new, then had it shipped to the US.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Any interest in a Euro W124 trailer hitch?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I would be interested in the wagon with the hitch

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

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> I'm selling my '95 E320 wagon this week and debating if I should remove the
> euro-spec trailer hitch I installed a few years ago.  Its a real european
> hitch I bought in Germany, with complete wiring harness.  I believe its a
> Westfalia brand and rated for either 1900 or 2100kg.  I also have the
> correct wiring harness which connects to the factory wiring without
> modification.  Overall, its a very nice hitch.  Fixed european sized ball.
> I always used a 2" coupler without a problem.  Its only a few years old,
> but does show some surface rust.
> 
> Anyone interested in it?  I'm in Northern NJ and would rather not ship it.
> Make me a offer that makes it worth my time to remove.  Its a fairly
> involved process, from what I remember I have to remove the carpeting off
> the rear floor, and pull the wiring harness out the dashboard.  I paid
> something like EUR300 new, then had it shipped to the US.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jaime
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Re: [MBZ] Any interest in a Euro W124 trailer hitch?

[Dieselhead]

If I had a wagon, I'd be all over that.  I was just thinking it'd be 
nice to have a euro hitch for a 123 sedan.




Hi all,
I'm selling my '95 E320 wagon this week and debating if I should remove the
euro-spec trailer hitch I installed a few years ago.  Its a real european
hitch I bought in Germany, with complete wiring harness.  I believe its a
Westfalia brand and rated for either 1900 or 2100kg.  I also have the
correct wiring harness which connects to the factory wiring without
modification.  Overall, its a very nice hitch.  Fixed european sized ball.
 I always used a 2" coupler without a problem.  Its only a few years old,
but does show some surface rust.

Anyone interested in it?  I'm in Northern NJ and would rather not ship it.
 Make me a offer that makes it worth my time to remove.  Its a fairly
involved process, from what I remember I have to remove the carpeting off
the rear floor, and pull the wiring harness out the dashboard.  I paid
something like EUR300 new, then had it shipped to the US.

Thanks,
Jaime


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[MBZ] Any interest in a Euro W124 trailer hitch?

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Hi all,
I'm selling my '95 E320 wagon this week and debating if I should remove the
euro-spec trailer hitch I installed a few years ago.  Its a real european
hitch I bought in Germany, with complete wiring harness.  I believe its a
Westfalia brand and rated for either 1900 or 2100kg.  I also have the
correct wiring harness which connects to the factory wiring without
modification.  Overall, its a very nice hitch.  Fixed european sized ball.
 I always used a 2" coupler without a problem.  Its only a few years old,
but does show some surface rust.

Anyone interested in it?  I'm in Northern NJ and would rather not ship it.
 Make me a offer that makes it worth my time to remove.  Its a fairly
involved process, from what I remember I have to remove the carpeting off
the rear floor, and pull the wiring harness out the dashboard.  I paid
something like EUR300 new, then had it shipped to the US.

Thanks,
Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Gary Hurst]

i see no reason at all for anyone to have a toll free number today.  the
only purpose it could serve is to let you make a free call from a pay
phone.  are there even pay phones anymore??


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> With so many apps for "free calling" it seems harder to manage.  Someone
> calling on Skype?  Google Voice?  Your business phone?  Cell phone?  Text,
> WhatsApp, etc.
>
> Not to mention some people are genuinely hard to hear on Skype or Google
> Voice.  They will sit away from their computer's microphone sounding far
> worse than a speakerphone.  And does GV even allow SMS mesages these days?
>
> I don't know, but it seems pretty straighforward to give someone a phone
> number.  With the advent of unlimted long distance calling, are 800 numbers
> even that helpful anymore?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > pic
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > did you see the pick of my bicycle?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Benz Hogs  > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ya, but Skype is just another thing I'd have to install/run.  Google
> > chat
> > >> has voice, video, and text just like Skype.  I already have Voice
> > running
> > >> on my cell giving me a 2nd and local phone number for business use.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> > >> '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 8/24/2013 7:46 AM, Larry T wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> ya'll ever try Skype?  It's free when calling skype to skype
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Brian Toscano]

With so many apps for "free calling" it seems harder to manage.  Someone
calling on Skype?  Google Voice?  Your business phone?  Cell phone?  Text,
WhatsApp, etc.

Not to mention some people are genuinely hard to hear on Skype or Google
Voice.  They will sit away from their computer's microphone sounding far
worse than a speakerphone.  And does GV even allow SMS mesages these days?

I don't know, but it seems pretty straighforward to give someone a phone
number.  With the advent of unlimted long distance calling, are 800 numbers
even that helpful anymore?



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> pic
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
>
> > did you see the pick of my bicycle?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Benz Hogs  >wrote:
> >
> >> Ya, but Skype is just another thing I'd have to install/run.  Google
> chat
> >> has voice, video, and text just like Skype.  I already have Voice
> running
> >> on my cell giving me a 2nd and local phone number for business use.
> >>
> >>
> >> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> >> '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/24/2013 7:46 AM, Larry T wrote:
> >>
> >>> ya'll ever try Skype?  It's free when calling skype to skype
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Louie Louie

[Gary Hurst]

over six hours.  no real songs at all. i still have nightmares


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Famous operatic joke.  If something is really tedious, you say "it's twice
> as long as Parsifal, but not half as funny"
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
>
> > it was one of the worst experiences in my life  :(
> >
> > have you looked at thomas ades yet?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Benz Hogs 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Enjoyed it, but not live, only live-radio.
> > >
> > >
> > > Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> > > '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
> > >
> > > On 8/25/2013 11:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> > >
> > >> have you endured parsifal?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Benz Hogs 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Without Wagner, we have no lite-motif and no inspiration for
> melodrama
> > >>> music or the great Lord of the Rings soundtrack. :)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> > >>> '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
> > >>>
> > >>> On 8/25/2013 10:53 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  regarding wagner,
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Louie Louie

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Famous operatic joke.  If something is really tedious, you say "it's twice
as long as Parsifal, but not half as funny"

On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> it was one of the worst experiences in my life  :(
>
> have you looked at thomas ades yet?
>
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> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Benz Hogs 
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> > Enjoyed it, but not live, only live-radio.
> >
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> > '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
> >
> > On 8/25/2013 11:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> >
> >> have you endured parsifal?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Benz Hogs 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Without Wagner, we have no lite-motif and no inspiration for melodrama
> >>> music or the great Lord of the Rings soundtrack. :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> >>> '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
> >>>
> >>> On 8/25/2013 10:53 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  regarding wagner,
> 
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Re: [MBZ] take 3

[Gary Hurst]

that' really the point to explore, luther.  i am still eating way too much
and working way too little and i am not all that young anymore, so an
argument can be made to stop messing about and step up the program


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> So you're going the right direction, AWESOME!  Now there's no reason you
> cannot go the right direction FASTER :)
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
>
> On 8/25/2013 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> ah, luther, you wouldn't be impressed by me.  i'm a typical fat man.  i'm
>> lazy and like to eat and good at both those things
>>
>> the only real progress i've made since i was last around you fellas is
>> that
>> i am much small clothes wise.  i was an 8x or 9x back in the glory days
>> but
>> a 5x today.  i look to lose a size a year, which just isn't going to make
>> it in sgt benzhog's beloved corps, but it's better than gaining a size a
>> year for sure!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

[Scott Ritchey]

I suspect Mike is just happy to be on the road again and doesn't want to
spend more money just to satisfy our curiosity.  The fact is that MBZ IP
failures (when run on DF2) are so rare that we really know little about that
situation (hence we are curious).  Also, some of us probably got a spare IP
back when they were cheap and plentiful and now wonder if long-term storage
rendered those old IPs useless.  I guess we all just want to learn but Mike
shouldn't have to foot the bill.

By the way, the URL is: http://www.conestogadiesel.com/

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:57 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping
at idle.

Ship the pump to www,Conestoga diesel.com and ask Mel to run it on his test
bench. You will know in a short while and for a minimum cost what the pump
is doing.

A properly calibrated test bench is the proper way to test the pump. Then
you have the "whole story".

Grant...


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Mike Esh  wrote:

> Thanks Mitch.  That is how I understood it. How far out of time
> can the injection pump be on one of these diesels and still start and idle
> well?  It also ran down the road although poorly and without power.  The
> mechanic had the vehicle running with each pump and diligently followed my
> suggestions of installing 180 degrees out and a couple of teeth either
way.
> From these positions he adjusted it many times and could not get the
> vehicle to run properly.   When he installed the new/rebuilt pump it
> started and ran correctl on the first try..
> I would gladly ship one of the non-fumctioning pumps to anyone who
> wants to test it out on one of their vehicles or other testing methods.  I
> would love to know without a doubt if the pump is functioning correctly.
>  Any takers?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike 
>
> Michael E. Esh
> me...@horizonenv.com
> michael...@mac.com
> 



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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Tim Crone]

Wilton, I've been out of it for a while, but if you are really going to let
it go for scrap please let me know how much it comes to; maybe I could
spring for it and use the winter to move my engine over.

Best,
-Tim



On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> I agree, it is, indeed, a shame.  There's really more to it than one sees
> at a glance or that one can express or read on an internet forum.  I've
> nursed this car for 17 years since the timing chain broke and I learned
> about its "rod-bender" rep.  'Lost confidence in it less than a year after
> I bought it (for BIG money) 18+ years ago and haven't felt really
> comfortable with it since the TC break, etc.  I've now spent most of this
> summer (since early May) fussing over this car (the additional crap from
> Trent certainly didn't help any, either).  Yes, the coolant leak problem
> may be fairly simple and relatively easy to overcome, but I think there's
> much more.  There are some other major things that I need to deal with,
> too, such as repairs to the house we live in plus some significant repairs
> and updating to a rental house we own (tenant who was in the house for 33
> years moved 'bout 3 weeks ago).
>
> BTW, SWMBO (surprisingly) has been thus far very "accommodating" about the
> dead/useless car sitting in the yard - 'hasn't bugged me about it at all.
>
> BTW, I'll "throw in" with ya on the lottery ticket, but I'm finished with
> the car after I get some stuff off it that still has value to me - can use
> the cruise control amp, for example, right now on the 124.
> Oh, just remembered - it has nearly $75 worth of fuel in it.  That, too,
> will work very nicely in the 124.  ;<)
>
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas"  constructivity.net >
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:39 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>
>
>  Well it seems a shame to crush or part-out a nice car with a fairly small
>> problem (realizing it could be more than that) that requires a bit of time
>> and effort to sort (neither of which either of us have in abundance, one or
>> the other or both) so that is my dilemma.  It could be a fun project.
>>
>> --R (who is going to buy a lottery ticket this evening)
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/13 12:32 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>
>>> I do appreciate the concern and the effort, but I wouldn't buy it back
>>> with that engine it; now, with a low miles 603.960 engine in it, it could
>>> be a different matter.
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" >> constructivity.net >
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>>>
>>>
>>>  no, need to source that new head and get it running again, then I will
 sell it back to you for a hefty profit.  Can't do that with parts missing.

 --R


 On 8/24/13 11:58 AM, WILTON wrote:

> Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas"  constructivity.net >
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>
>
>  I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>
>>> $1200; bring a trailer soon.
>>>
>>> 'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds
>>> grow up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off 
>>> it
>>> soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.
>>>
>>> Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise
>>> control, etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
>>> Good tires, etc., etc.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] take 3

[Benz Hogs]

So you're going the right direction, AWESOME!  Now there's no reason you 
cannot go the right direction FASTER :)


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 8/25/2013 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

ah, luther, you wouldn't be impressed by me.  i'm a typical fat man.  i'm
lazy and like to eat and good at both those things

the only real progress i've made since i was last around you fellas is that
i am much small clothes wise.  i was an 8x or 9x back in the glory days but
a 5x today.  i look to lose a size a year, which just isn't going to make
it in sgt benzhog's beloved corps, but it's better than gaining a size a
year for sure!


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Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

[G Mann]

Ship the pump to www,Conestoga diesel.com and ask Mel to run it on his test
bench. You will know in a short while and for a minimum cost what the pump
is doing.

A properly calibrated test bench is the proper way to test the pump. Then
you have the "whole story".

Grant...


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Mike Esh  wrote:

> Thanks Mitch.  That is how I understood it. How far out of time
> can the injection pump be on one of these diesels and still start and idle
> well?  It also ran down the road although poorly and without power.  The
> mechanic had the vehicle running with each pump and diligently followed my
> suggestions of installing 180 degrees out and a couple of teeth either way.
> From these positions he adjusted it many times and could not get the
> vehicle to run properly.   When he installed the new/rebuilt pump it
> started and ran correctl on the first try..
> I would gladly ship one of the non-fumctioning pumps to anyone who
> wants to test it out on one of their vehicles or other testing methods.  I
> would love to know without a doubt if the pump is functioning correctly.
>  Any takers?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike 
>
> Michael E. Esh
> me...@horizonenv.com
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> On Aug 24, 2013, at 09:44 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Richard Hattaway wrote:
>>>
 I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection pump timing check
 would be prohibitively expensive.

>>> I think Mike said a Bosch shop told him a bench test was too
>>> expensive just to prove a suspect pump needed a rebuild.
>>> Mitch.
>>>
>>
>> Before a bench test, a simple test of turning the engine over BY HAND
>> (not by starter as the mechanic did) with the valve cover off, and #1
>> injection line off. This would have allowed the mechanic and/or mike
>> to see if the pump was IN time or out of time. Sequence is intake
>> open and close, injection starts at the factory specified number of
>> degrees bTDC, exhaust, repeat to ensure repeatability, confirming the
>> injection timing.
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Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

[Richard Hattaway]

My point was that you can do all of the fancy expensive stuff in your driveway 
with minimal tools.  

Pump timing is a piece of tubing and a flashlight.

Pump pressure is a spare injector and rerouting one of the pieces of injection 
tubing in your car so you can watch the spray pattern in a jar.  Or you can use 
one of your injectors if you don't have a spare, but please cover the open 
cylinder with a heavy rag to keep soot out of your face.

You can also do a very good analysis of injectors with the the re-routed tube 
and a jar with cardboard in it.





 From: Michael Esh 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke   and 
loping  at idle.
 

Imagine this:

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Be the first to review
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Please give them a call.  They have the Bosch sign on their building.


On Aug 24, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Richard Hattaway wrote

> I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection pump timing check would be 
> prohibitively expensive.  It's actually a very educational test to do, and at 
> least some of us have 'homebrew' drip tubes laying around to do it with.  Not 
> hard at all to make.  
> 
> Professionals have the Snap On timing light that feels the tubing pulse, 
> watches the crank rotation, and flashes up data on what's going on.  As easy 
> to check as spark timing.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Scott Ritchey 
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and    
> loping    at idle.
> 
> 
> 
> No.  I mean slowly, manually turning the crank shaft (while watching valves
> to verify #1 approaching TDC of compression) to establish crank angle where
> fuel starts to well up on top of #1 delivery valve or fuel begins to drip
> from drip tube (or one of the other methods, like bubble).
> 
> Scott
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mike Esh
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:44 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping
> at idle.
> 
> If you mean taking them to an authorized Bosch shop, then no. I tried this
> at our local Bosch shop and he said the cost would prohibitive and that I
> should just have it rebuilt or buy a rebuilt. 
> 
> Michael E. Esh
> 231-286-2344
> 
> 
> On Aug 24, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Mike:  Delighted with the final result.  Two bad used IPs most unusual by
>> all accounts.  Question:  was there ever a real injection timing check on
>> either of the "bad" used replacement IPs?
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Esh
>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:54 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Amy Renouf; brandonren...@mac.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and
> loping
>> at idle.
>> 
>> Time to celebrate!  My 84 300D is back on the road.  For those who did not
>> follow the story, I had hard starting issues for the last 3 summers, yes,
>> only in the summers.  Help from this list determined that my injection
> pump
>> was wearing out.  The pump finally gave up completely and I picked up a
> used
>> pump from Mitch and had a local mechanic install it.  He could not get the
>> car to run properly with that pump or another used pump I picked up
> locally.
>>   I spent over a month becoming very frustrated, angry and doubting the
>> abilities of of my mechanic while working with him to try and get the the
>> car running correctly.  There were many helpful messages and suggestions
>> from the "list".  However, the car would start and idle correctly but It
>> would belch black smoke and had no power when going down the road.    
>>    After much deliberation the mechanic and I decided to purchase a
>> new/rebuilt pump.  The claim was that all internals were new, only the
> case
>> was used.  Basically a new pump.  The surprise was the cost to me would be
>> only  $425.00.  At that price(seems extremely cheap) I was very nervous
> and
>> worried about whether or not to continue down an already risky and getting
>> to be expensive path.  I had already paid him the $600.00 he quoted me for
>> removing and installing the used pumps.  At any rate we order it, install
>> it,  and wonder of wonders, the pump worked perfectly and now the car
> starts
>> and runs better than ever.  Cost to install new pump was $895.00 which
>> included the new pump, labor and miscellaneous gaskets and such.  So the
>> total cost of the project was $1595.00 which includes the cost of the used
>> pumps.  
>>    All in all, I am happy to be able to continue driving my Mercedes for
> many
>> more miles using diesel fuel and

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

[Mike Esh]

Thanks Mitch.  That is how I understood it. 
How far out of time can the injection pump be on one of these diesels and still start and idle well?  It also ran down the road although poorly and without power.  The mechanic had the vehicle running with each pump and diligently followed my suggestions of installing 180 degrees out and a couple of teeth either way. From these positions he adjusted it many times and could not get the vehicle to run properly.   When he installed the new/rebuilt pump it started and ran correctl on the first try..

I would gladly ship one of the non-fumctioning pumps to anyone who wants to 
test it out on one of their vehicles or other testing methods.  I would love to 
know without a doubt if the pump is functioning correctly.  Any takers?

Thanks,
Mike 

Michael E. Esh
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On Aug 24, 2013, at 09:44 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Richard Hattaway wrote:

I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection pump timing check
would be prohibitively expensive.

I think Mike said a Bosch shop told him a bench test was too
expensive just to prove a suspect pump needed a rebuild.
Mitch.


Before a bench test, a simple test of turning the engine over BY HAND
(not by starter as the mechanic did) with the valve cover off, and #1
injection line off. This would have allowed the mechanic and/or mike
to see if the pump was IN time or out of time. Sequence is intake
open and close, injection starts at the factory specified number of
degrees bTDC, exhaust, repeat to ensure repeatability, confirming the
injection timing.

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