[MBZ] Subject: Re: Subject: Lubing Sunroof

2013-10-18 Thread RDeafBoy
Is that the tube that the cable is in? My  300CD has sunroof  issues.
 
  YES
 
 
Bob  83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!

2013-10-18 Thread Rich Thomas

That must be the guy I sold my old Cherokee to.

--R


On 10/18/13 1:57 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote:

Here's the deal, kids:
This is a Jeep Cherokee.  This is not a luxury SUV, or a 
maintenance-free disposable import.  It has solid front axles, wind 
noise, and character.
It's a Jeep.  It rides like a Jeep.  It drives like a Jeep.  All of 
these are GOOD things.
It is not new, it is not pristine, it is used.  This will be apparent 
in the pictures.



If you do not own a toolbox, have never changed your own oil, and are 
scared of firearms: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you have been posting on facebook all about how excited you are for 
pumpkin latte season: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you get offended easy and often, whine to your co-workers, and 
bitch a lot: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you feel you are owed anything in the world  have a bullshit job 
where you fail to produce: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you own a bieber album, white oakleys, affliction t-shirts, or 
those candy-assed stitched-pocket jeans: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you consider the 2nd Amendment an anachronistic relic and have 
never owned a firearm: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.



If, however, you have BALLS OF STEEL and consider adverse weather an 
excuse to do stupid shit: THIS IS YOUR JEEP.

Do you laugh at danger, and tempt fate?
Have you ever uttered the words, Hold my beer and watch this ...?
While bored at work do you pick targets at random and think, I could 
hit that from here with the .22 ...?

Have any of your friends quit hanging out because you were too much fun?
Do you have the number of a friend with cash memorized for bail?
When you pass an abandoned flatbed farm truck along a fenceline do you 
consider taking on another project?
Is your ol' lady really sick of the random piles of parts, greasy 
footprints, and empty beer bottles in the garage?

-could you not care less?
Do you have Jalopnik saved on your laptop AND smartphone?
Do you own a service manual for every vehicle you ever owned?
Do you still miss your first ride?
Can you carry on a two hour conversation discussing tools, scars, and 
hi-lift jacks?
Remember when tool companies had the balls to put half-naked beauty 
queens on their calendars?
Do you consider the Prius an abominable affront to the Gods of 
displacement, torque, and All Mighty Internal Combustion?


If you answered in the affirmative to the preceding: THIS IS YOUR JEEP.

http://enid.craigslist.org/cto/4119280944.html%3C/div%3E
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Subject: Lubing Sunroof

2013-10-18 Thread Dwight Giles
Thanks. I am going to look into that.
On Oct 18, 2013 8:28 AM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote:

 Is that the tube that the cable is in? My  300CD has sunroof  issues.

   YES


 Bob  83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!

2013-10-18 Thread WILTON

Great ad, but I'm still gonna hafta let it go.

Wilt

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mercedes@okiebenz.com

Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 1:57 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!



Here's the deal, kids:
This is a Jeep Cherokee.  This is not a luxury SUV, or a maintenance-free 
disposable import.  It has solid front axles, wind noise, and character.
It's a Jeep.  It rides like a Jeep.  It drives like a Jeep.  All of these 
are GOOD things.
It is not new, it is not pristine, it is used.  This will be apparent in 
the pictures.



If you do not own a toolbox, have never changed your own oil, and are 
scared of firearms: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you have been posting on facebook all about how excited you are for 
pumpkin latte season: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you get offended easy and often, whine to your co-workers, and bitch a 
lot: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you feel you are owed anything in the world  have a bullshit job where 
you fail to produce: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you own a bieber album, white oakleys, affliction t-shirts, or those 
candy-assed stitched-pocket jeans: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you consider the 2nd Amendment an anachronistic relic and have never 
owned a firearm: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.



If, however, you have BALLS OF STEEL and consider adverse weather an 
excuse to do stupid shit: THIS IS YOUR JEEP.

Do you laugh at danger, and tempt fate?
Have you ever uttered the words, Hold my beer and watch this ...?
While bored at work do you pick targets at random and think, I could hit 
that from here with the .22 ...?

Have any of your friends quit hanging out because you were too much fun?
Do you have the number of a friend with cash memorized for bail?
When you pass an abandoned flatbed farm truck along a fenceline do you 
consider taking on another project?
Is your ol' lady really sick of the random piles of parts, greasy 
footprints, and empty beer bottles in the garage?

-could you not care less?
Do you have Jalopnik saved on your laptop AND smartphone?
Do you own a service manual for every vehicle you ever owned?
Do you still miss your first ride?
Can you carry on a two hour conversation discussing tools, scars, and 
hi-lift jacks?
Remember when tool companies had the balls to put half-naked beauty queens 
on their calendars?
Do you consider the Prius an abominable affront to the Gods of 
displacement, torque, and All Mighty Internal Combustion?


If you answered in the affirmative to the preceding: THIS IS YOUR JEEP.

http://enid.craigslist.org/cto/4119280944.html%3C/div%3E
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[MBZ] OT - Sondy Tale - Swimming Pool

2013-10-18 Thread WILTON

Yep, 'nother Sondy Tale already.

THE SWIMMING POOL
By Wilton Strickland

At Sondrestrom Air Base, we were proud to have the only swimming pool 
(indoors and heated, of course) in Greenland.  I don't remember the exact 
dimensions, but probably about 20 feet by 40 feet by 4 to 5 feet.  Not long 
after I arrived, the Danish maintenance contractor chief engineer came to me 
on day with bad news about the pool's plastic liner - it was leaking and had 
been patched so many times that it was beyond repair.  We called a 
manufacturer in the States and ordered one of the right dimensions and had 
it shipped to McGuire AFB, NJ, for delivery to us via Air Force C-141 cargo 
aircraft a few weeks later.


The Danish workmen immediately set about removing the old liner and 
installing the new one.  Installation of the new liner involved sucking air 
with a vacuum cleaner from between the outside of the liner and the pool's 
supporting walls as the liner was filled with water.  The support structure 
corners between the bottom and side walls and at the ends of the pool were 
square (sharp, 90° angles), and the old liner fitted into them nicely, but 
as the new liner filled with water, it became obvious that the corners of 
the new liner would rupture before going into the corners.  We had to stop 
the filling process, empty the liner of water and devise a way to get the 
liner into the corners or support the liner appropriately in these areas.  A 
call to the manufacturer confirmed that the liner could not have - could not 
assume - square corners.  We finally decided to fill in the square corners 
in the support structure with wet sand rounded into a contour (a cove) that 
the new liner could more easily assume.  The bottom was already sand; we 
just extended the sand in a rounded contour up the side for several inches 
and in the end corners to relieve the excessive tension on the liner in 
these areas.  Because water in the base system was at only 56°F, we also 
started heating it while filling the liner to help improve the liner's 
stretchability.  We also positioned several more suction hoses around the 
outside of the liner to reduce air pockets as the liner filled with water. 
The second filling went very well, and we had no more problems with the pool 
while I was there.  'Never did use it myself, though.


I noticed recently in the current Kangerlussuaq hotel and tourism ads, they 
enthusiastically promote the heated indoor pool.  'Glad they're still 
enjoying it.  The liner has probably been replaced once or twice or more 
since we did it in '78, and it's likely that nobody there has any idea about 
the hassle we had with seemingly such a simple task that could have been 
catastrophic had we just blindly let the liner fill without proper attention 
to those corners.


Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!

2013-10-18 Thread OK Don
It has an AUTOMATIC tranny, AND plastic fenders? WTF? What kind of kick-ass
car can it be with those???


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:39 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  Here's the deal, kids:
 This is a Jeep Cherokee.  This is not a luxury SUV, or a maintenance-free
 disposable import.  It has solid front axles, wind noise, and character.
 It's a Jeep.  It rides like a Jeep.  It drives like a Jeep.  All of these
 are GOOD things.
 It is not new, it is not pristine, it is used.  This will be apparent in
 the pictures.


 If you do not own a toolbox, have never changed your own oil, and are
 scared of firearms: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
 If you have been posting on facebook all about how excited you are for
 pumpkin latte season: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
 If you get offended easy and often, whine to your co-workers, and bitch a
 lot: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
 If you feel you are owed anything in the world  have a bullshit job
 where you fail to produce: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
 If you own a bieber album, white oakleys, affliction t-shirts, or those
 candy-assed stitched-pocket jeans: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
 If you consider the 2nd Amendment an anachronistic relic and have never
 owned a firearm: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.


 If, however, you have BALLS OF STEEL and consider adverse weather an
 excuse to do stupid shit: THIS IS YOUR JEEP.
 Do you laugh at danger, and tempt fate?
 Have you ever uttered the words, Hold my beer and watch this ...?
 While bored at work do you pick targets at random and think, I could hit
 that from here with the .22 ...?
 Have any of your friends quit hanging out because you were too much fun?
 Do you have the number of a friend with cash memorized for bail?
 When you pass an abandoned flatbed farm truck along a fenceline do you
 consider taking on another project?
 Is your ol' lady really sick of the random piles of parts, greasy
 footprints, and empty beer bottles in the garage?
 -could you not care less?
 Do you have Jalopnik saved on your laptop AND smartphone?
 Do you own a service manual for every vehicle you ever owned?
 Do you still miss your first ride?
 Can you carry on a two hour conversation discussing tools, scars, and
 hi-lift jacks?
 Remember when tool companies had the balls to put half-naked beauty
 queens on their calendars?
 Do you consider the Prius an abominable affront to the Gods of
 displacement, torque, and All Mighty Internal Combustion?

 If you answered in the affirmative to the preceding: THIS IS YOUR JEEP.





-- 
OK Don
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775
in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.
- Benjamin Franklin 1789
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!

2013-10-18 Thread WILTON
'Still gonna hafta let it go; 'don't know anybody I hafta impress one way 
the other.  ;)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!


It has an AUTOMATIC tranny, AND plastic fenders? WTF? What kind of 
kick-ass

car can it be with those???


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:39 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 Here's the deal, kids:
This is a Jeep Cherokee.  This is not a luxury SUV, or a 
maintenance-free

disposable import.  It has solid front axles, wind noise, and character.
It's a Jeep.  It rides like a Jeep.  It drives like a Jeep.  All of 
these

are GOOD things.
It is not new, it is not pristine, it is used.  This will be apparent in
the pictures.


If you do not own a toolbox, have never changed your own oil, and are
scared of firearms: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you have been posting on facebook all about how excited you are for
pumpkin latte season: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you get offended easy and often, whine to your co-workers, and bitch 
a

lot: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you feel you are owed anything in the world  have a bullshit job
where you fail to produce: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you own a bieber album, white oakleys, affliction t-shirts, or those
candy-assed stitched-pocket jeans: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you consider the 2nd Amendment an anachronistic relic and have never
owned a firearm: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.


If, however, you have BALLS OF STEEL and consider adverse weather an
excuse to do stupid shit: THIS IS YOUR JEEP.
Do you laugh at danger, and tempt fate?
Have you ever uttered the words, Hold my beer and watch this ...?
While bored at work do you pick targets at random and think, I could 
hit

that from here with the .22 ...?
Have any of your friends quit hanging out because you were too much fun?
Do you have the number of a friend with cash memorized for bail?
When you pass an abandoned flatbed farm truck along a fenceline do you
consider taking on another project?
Is your ol' lady really sick of the random piles of parts, greasy
footprints, and empty beer bottles in the garage?
-could you not care less?
Do you have Jalopnik saved on your laptop AND smartphone?
Do you own a service manual for every vehicle you ever owned?
Do you still miss your first ride?
Can you carry on a two hour conversation discussing tools, scars, and
hi-lift jacks?
Remember when tool companies had the balls to put half-naked beauty
queens on their calendars?
Do you consider the Prius an abominable affront to the Gods of
displacement, torque, and All Mighty Internal Combustion?

If you answered in the affirmative to the preceding: THIS IS YOUR JEEP.






--
OK Don
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775
in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.
- Benjamin Franklin 1789
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy Tale - Swimming Pool

2013-10-18 Thread Randy Bennell

A good question might be why they did not send you the right liner??

I have some experience with that sort of thing as I worked building 
swimming pools for 3 summers while I was in university. By then we had 
pretty much moved away from using sand and instead used what we called 
pool pad. It was a mixture of vermiculite and cement. Initially we used 
a lot of cement so it looked like concrete but that ultimately moved to 
a drier mixture. We would pack it in in the right shape and then drop 
the liner in quickly and fill with water to hold things in place. Quite 
a process as these pools had deep ends and some were kidney shaped and 
at least 40 feet long. If the liner dislodged material when we were 
shifting it into place, someone would have to go in under it and do a 
quick patch. Sometimes we would have underground water that would not 
stop seeping and would have to get the liner in very quickly to prevent 
a lot of water under the liner.


Randy

On 18/10/2013 11:03 AM, WILTON wrote:

Yep, 'nother Sondy Tale already.

THE SWIMMING POOL
By Wilton Strickland

At Sondrestrom Air Base, we were proud to have the only swimming pool 
(indoors and heated, of course) in Greenland.  I don't remember the 
exact dimensions, but probably about 20 feet by 40 feet by 4 to 5 
feet.  Not long after I arrived, the Danish maintenance contractor 
chief engineer came to me on day with bad news about the pool's 
plastic liner - it was leaking and had been patched so many times that 
it was beyond repair.  We called a manufacturer in the States and 
ordered one of the right dimensions and had it shipped to McGuire AFB, 
NJ, for delivery to us via Air Force C-141 cargo aircraft a few weeks 
later.


The Danish workmen immediately set about removing the old liner and 
installing the new one.  Installation of the new liner involved 
sucking air with a vacuum cleaner from between the outside of the 
liner and the pool's supporting walls as the liner was filled with 
water.  The support structure corners between the bottom and side 
walls and at the ends of the pool were square (sharp, 90° angles), and 
the old liner fitted into them nicely, but as the new liner filled 
with water, it became obvious that the corners of the new liner would 
rupture before going into the corners.  We had to stop the filling 
process, empty the liner of water and devise a way to get the liner 
into the corners or support the liner appropriately in these areas.  A 
call to the manufacturer confirmed that the liner could not have - 
could not assume - square corners.  We finally decided to fill in the 
square corners in the support structure with wet sand rounded into a 
contour (a cove) that the new liner could more easily assume.  The 
bottom was already sand; we just extended the sand in a rounded 
contour up the side for several inches and in the end corners to 
relieve the excessive tension on the liner in these areas. Because 
water in the base system was at only 56°F, we also started heating it 
while filling the liner to help improve the liner's stretchability.  
We also positioned several more suction hoses around the outside of 
the liner to reduce air pockets as the liner filled with water. The 
second filling went very well, and we had no more problems with the 
pool while I was there.  'Never did use it myself, though.


I noticed recently in the current Kangerlussuaq hotel and tourism ads, 
they enthusiastically promote the heated indoor pool.  'Glad they're 
still enjoying it.  The liner has probably been replaced once or twice 
or more since we did it in '78, and it's likely that nobody there has 
any idea about the hassle we had with seemingly such a simple task 
that could have been catastrophic had we just blindly let the liner 
fill without proper attention to those corners.


Wilton







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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!

2013-10-18 Thread Randy Bennell
Those were good little vehicles but there was no room in the back seat 
for a normal adult.


Randy

On 18/10/2013 11:24 AM, WILTON wrote:
'Still gonna hafta let it go; 'don't know anybody I hafta impress one 
way the other.  ;)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!


It has an AUTOMATIC tranny, AND plastic fenders? WTF? What kind of 
kick-ass

car can it be with those???


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:39 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 Here's the deal, kids:
This is a Jeep Cherokee.  This is not a luxury SUV, or a 
maintenance-free
disposable import.  It has solid front axles, wind noise, and 
character.
It's a Jeep.  It rides like a Jeep.  It drives like a Jeep. All of 
these

are GOOD things.
It is not new, it is not pristine, it is used.  This will be 
apparent in

the pictures.


If you do not own a toolbox, have never changed your own oil, and are
scared of firearms: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you have been posting on facebook all about how excited you are for
pumpkin latte season: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you get offended easy and often, whine to your co-workers, and 
bitch a

lot: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you feel you are owed anything in the world  have a bullshit job
where you fail to produce: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you own a bieber album, white oakleys, affliction t-shirts, or 
those

candy-assed stitched-pocket jeans: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.
If you consider the 2nd Amendment an anachronistic relic and have 
never

owned a firearm: THIS VEHICLE IS NOT FOR YOU.


If, however, you have BALLS OF STEEL and consider adverse weather an
excuse to do stupid shit: THIS IS YOUR JEEP.
Do you laugh at danger, and tempt fate?
Have you ever uttered the words, Hold my beer and watch this ...?
While bored at work do you pick targets at random and think, I 
could hit

that from here with the .22 ...?
Have any of your friends quit hanging out because you were too much 
fun?

Do you have the number of a friend with cash memorized for bail?
When you pass an abandoned flatbed farm truck along a fenceline do you
consider taking on another project?
Is your ol' lady really sick of the random piles of parts, greasy
footprints, and empty beer bottles in the garage?
-could you not care less?
Do you have Jalopnik saved on your laptop AND smartphone?
Do you own a service manual for every vehicle you ever owned?
Do you still miss your first ride?
Can you carry on a two hour conversation discussing tools, scars, and
hi-lift jacks?
Remember when tool companies had the balls to put half-naked beauty
queens on their calendars?
Do you consider the Prius an abominable affront to the Gods of
displacement, torque, and All Mighty Internal Combustion?

If you answered in the affirmative to the preceding: THIS IS YOUR 
JEEP.







--
OK Don
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775
in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and 
taxes.

- Benjamin Franklin 1789
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy Tale - Swimming Pool

2013-10-18 Thread WILTON
Yep, we discussed that, and they danced around it - we finally agreed that 
we'd cove the corners.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy Tale - Swimming Pool


A good question might be why they did not send you the right liner??

I have some experience with that sort of thing as I worked building
swimming pools for 3 summers while I was in university. By then we had
pretty much moved away from using sand and instead used what we called
pool pad. It was a mixture of vermiculite and cement. Initially we used
a lot of cement so it looked like concrete but that ultimately moved to
a drier mixture. We would pack it in in the right shape and then drop
the liner in quickly and fill with water to hold things in place. Quite
a process as these pools had deep ends and some were kidney shaped and
at least 40 feet long. If the liner dislodged material when we were
shifting it into place, someone would have to go in under it and do a
quick patch. Sometimes we would have underground water that would not
stop seeping and would have to get the liner in very quickly to prevent
a lot of water under the liner.

Randy

On 18/10/2013 11:03 AM, WILTON wrote:

Yep, 'nother Sondy Tale already.

THE SWIMMING POOL
By Wilton Strickland

At Sondrestrom Air Base, we were proud to have the only swimming pool 
(indoors and heated, of course) in Greenland.  I don't remember the exact 
dimensions, but probably about 20 feet by 40 feet by 4 to 5 feet.  Not 
long after I arrived, the Danish maintenance contractor chief engineer 
came to me on day with bad news about the pool's plastic liner - it was 
leaking and had been patched so many times that it was beyond repair.  We 
called a manufacturer in the States and ordered one of the right 
dimensions and had it shipped to McGuire AFB, NJ, for delivery to us via 
Air Force C-141 cargo aircraft a few weeks later.


The Danish workmen immediately set about removing the old liner and 
installing the new one.  Installation of the new liner involved sucking 
air with a vacuum cleaner from between the outside of the liner and the 
pool's supporting walls as the liner was filled with water.  The support 
structure corners between the bottom and side walls and at the ends of the 
pool were square (sharp, 90° angles), and the old liner fitted into them 
nicely, but as the new liner filled with water, it became obvious that the 
corners of the new liner would rupture before going into the corners.  We 
had to stop the filling process, empty the liner of water and devise a way 
to get the liner into the corners or support the liner appropriately in 
these areas.  A call to the manufacturer confirmed that the liner could 
not have - could not assume - square corners.  We finally decided to fill 
in the square corners in the support structure with wet sand rounded into 
a contour (a cove) that the new liner could more easily assume.  The 
bottom was already sand; we just extended the sand in a rounded contour up 
the side for several inches and in the end corners to relieve the 
excessive tension on the liner in these areas. Because water in the base 
system was at only 56°F, we also started heating it while filling the 
liner to help improve the liner's stretchability.  We also positioned 
several more suction hoses around the outside of the liner to reduce air 
pockets as the liner filled with water. The second filling went very well, 
and we had no more problems with the pool while I was there.  'Never did 
use it myself, though.


I noticed recently in the current Kangerlussuaq hotel and tourism ads, 
they enthusiastically promote the heated indoor pool.  'Glad they're still 
enjoying it.  The liner has probably been replaced once or twice or more 
since we did it in '78, and it's likely that nobody there has any idea 
about the hassle we had with seemingly such a simple task that could have 
been catastrophic had we just blindly let the liner fill without proper 
attention to those corners.


Wilton







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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!

2013-10-18 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Oct 17, 2013 10:57 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's the deal, kids:
 This is a Jeep Cherokee.  This is not a
 luxury SUV,

This whole ad is kind of odd to me.  I remember contemporary reviews that
bemoaned the fact that the XJ, despite having solid axles front and rear,
was a unit-body design and therefore not a real Jeep.  I've always
thought it paved the way for the Explorer and the whole soccer-mom SUV
culture of the '90s.

Of course there are also those who say that there haven't been any real
Jeeps since the CJ-5, and the big, plush Grand Wagoneer was the beginning
of the end.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!

2013-10-18 Thread Curt Raymond
Actually in the offroad community an automatic trans is not always considered a 
bad thing...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:14:56 -0500
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!
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It has an AUTOMATIC tranny, AND plastic fenders? WTF? What kind of kick-ass
car can it be with those???
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[MBZ] ADDED: 1990 MB 300E Transmission Problem etc.

2013-10-18 Thread Robert Koziak

I still haven't been able find the issue but the car still drives so I am 
trying to solve it on the fly.  Here is another issue that developed that may 
lead someone out there to show me the fix:


When I first start the car cold it idles fine.  After it gets hot and I attempt 
to start it up again the idle pulsates very high to very low rpms (1200 to 400) 
before it settles within a minute to the normal 600 rpms.  Hopefully someone 
recognizes that symptom!!!


Thanks


Bob



-Original Message-
From: Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com
To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E Transmission Problem etc.


Feedback seems to lean toward a transmission vacuum module or vacuum leak being 
a possible cause.  Can you guys point me toward a part number, price and 
instructions to change.  It might make sense to start there if it's not too 
expensive or difficult.


Bob 



-Original Message-
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:22 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E Transmission Problem etc.


if the high reving is between gears, it's very likely vacuum related.
transmission shops will generally just try to sell you a transmission and
probably ought to be avoided.

did you make captain yet?


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi all,


 I recently started using my 1990 Mercedes Benz 300E w/89K.  I
 purchased it 7 years ago because it was in mint shape and was a good deal.
  The car had basically been in storage for the last 7 years.  I used it for
 an average 100 miles per year bring it in and out of the garage a only few
 times a year.  I changed the oil yearly anyway.  It was in mint shape when
 I bought it.the previous owner was very meticulous.


 The car ran great for about 2 thousand miles but last week I noticed
 the transmission is occasionally revving before shifting in the upper
 gears.  I changed the transmission filter and fluid but the issue still
 exists.  Any suggestions, I was going to take it to my local transmission
 shop for an evaluation so I wanted any thoughts on the problem.  Are there
 any simple adjustments on this transmission?


The car did have the head gasket changed by Mercedes along with a
 conversion to R134 air conditioning.  Other than that it had regular
 maintenance.


 Any other thoughts on what to look out for this model and year would
 be greatly appreciated.


  If it turns out that the automatic transmission needs replacing, what
 is the price range I should be looking to pay, I live in the suburbs of New
 York City where the cost of living is pretty high.


 Bob







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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Jeep!

2013-10-18 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Oct 18, 2013 3:50 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Actually in the offroad community an
 automatic trans is not always
 considered a bad thing...


Sure, rock crawling is a lot easier if you don't have to slip the clutch
the whole way.

Alex
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