date:20150316

So, how high does your airspace extend? When I'm flying over your house on
my way somewhere else, when am I entering your airspace? I don't have armor
under my seat . . .
The FAA says I have to stay 500 feet above persons and property, and I do
that.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrot

Yup.  And if they trespass in my airspace, I also have the right
> to knock 'em down with my shotgun.  Seems only fair.
>
> If they are behaving in a hazardous manner, such as interfering
> with traffic, airport approach corridors, etc., the operators
> can/should be charged appropriately, whether they're using a
> drone or not.
>
> Drones ain't got nuttin' to do with it.
>
> -- Jim
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS- HOG KILLING

Answer:

In the old days, before OSHA and EPA, men did things knowing that if they
violated the laws of nature or physics, they would be injured or die.
Consequently, they took responsibility for their own actions and the
actions of others and helped each other.

Amazingly, it worked well. the economy survived, people provided for their
families and the government ran on a balanced budget. Stunning, isn't it.

Ohh.. and they used broom handles to push the carcass under the scalding
water and tied ropes to the legs to keep their hands out of the hot water.

Scalding and scraping hogs on butchering day was one way it was done..

In my family, and neighborhood, the hogs were all skinned using a special V
trough on legs that was made of 2 x 12 lumber to hold the carcass at a good
working height. The skin was then sold for additional profit, while the
meat was processed for curing in a smoke house using a special family
secret mixture of herbs and spices and salt as a rub, then wrapping the
sections of meat, or ham, in clean cloth to hold in the spices while it was
slow smoked for days, which preserved it for later use.

I can remember adult discussions with neighbors who did the scald and
scrape vs those of us who did the skin and smoke method.. Basic thought
seemed to be it was cleaner to skin, and much faster. Also, without the
skin the meat took up the smoke and spices for curing more completely.. By
the time I left the farm to join the military, most in the county were
using the skinning method..

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I read this, I could not help but wonder how a group of men managed
>> to put a whole hog into a vat of boiling water and then fish it back out
>> without getting splashed and burned.
>>
>> I was afraid to ask however, as I assume one of you jokers will answer
>> with one word - "carefully"
>>
>
> Well, Duh!  :-)
>
> My serious answer, based upon zero factual experience, would
> be hay hooks.  Or baling wire wrapped around the ankles.
> And lift in and out, no dropping!
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:15:07 -0800 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Leaks that I have found on this system:
> 
> And, for those that have it, a leaky windshield washer
> thermostat system.

I'll bet that's a joy to track down!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble


So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including 
spying on

you or anyone else?


Yup.  And if they trespass in my airspace, I also have the right
to knock 'em down with my shotgun.  Seems only fair.

If they are behaving in a hazardous manner, such as interfering
with traffic, airport approach corridors, etc., the operators
can/should be charged appropriately, whether they're using a
drone or not.

Drones ain't got nuttin' to do with it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD


Leaks that I have found on this system:


And, for those that have it, a leaky windshield washer
thermostat system.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS- HOG KILLING

When I read this, I could not help but wonder how a group of men 
managed to put a whole hog into a vat of boiling water and then fish 
it back out without getting splashed and burned.


I was afraid to ask however, as I assume one of you jokers will answer 
with one word - "carefully"


Well, Duh!  :-)

My serious answer, based upon zero factual experience, would
be hay hooks.  Or baling wire wrapped around the ankles.
And lift in and out, no dropping!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] interesting concept

I like that line of thought. Lets get started...

It is my considered opinion that such acts by persons who hold offices of
trust and take an oath to uphold the Constitution, are in direct violation
of the Rights preserved by Constitution, thus, violation of those Rights in
such a willful and long standing manner constitutes an enforceable act of
Treason which has harmed the Citizens of USA and the State.

Treason is a Federal Crime, still punishable by hanging, which should be
done forthwith after conviction by a jury of 12.

Said hanging should be done in public as an example to all others who might
forget the trust given to them in execution of their duties in office.
The law should be strictly followed in finding these parties guilty. I do
not suggest or imply lynch mob tactics, but the simple application of the
law to the full intent.

But then... I've had enough of this kind of abuse of power by elected or
appointed officials.. my position may not be shared by all others.. I
respect that.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/blog/2015/03/u-s-
congressman-introduces-legislation-to-make-policing-for-profit-a-crime/

I like the term "po licing for Profit" It maybe should be "po licing for
profit and ego"

The problem as with discrimination laws...how can the true intent be
determined or proven?

Good intent, but hard to enforce.

The municipal judges in Ferguson will just have to learn to quit bragging
about fleecing citizens. They could just keep doing business as usual, but
quietly from now on.

I've come to expect policing for profit and prosecuting for profit, but
when a judge brags about deliberately fleecing those brought before him, it
should be considered a capital crime. (and I mean that literally, the judge
needs to dance in the electric chair)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] interesting concept

It is my considered opinion that such acts by persons who hold offices of
trust and take an oath to uphold the Constitution, are in direct violation
of the Rights preserved by Constitution, thus, violation of those Rights in
such a willful and long standing manner constitutes an enforceable act of
Treason which has harmed the Citizens of USA and the State.

Treason is a Federal Crime, still punishable by hanging, which should be
done forthwith after conviction by a jury of 12.

Said hanging should be done in public as an example to all others who might
forget the trust given to them in execution of their duties in office.
The law should be strictly followed in finding these parties guilty. I do
not suggest or imply lynch mob tactics, but the simple application of the
law to the full intent.

But then... I've had enough of this kind of abuse of power by elected or
appointed officials.. my position may not be shared by all others.. I
respect that.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> http://photographyisnotacrime.com/blog/2015/03/u-s-
>> congressman-introduces-legislation-to-make-policing-for-profit-a-crime/
>>
>>
>> I like the term "po licing for Profit"  It maybe should be "po licing for
>> profit and ego"
>>
>> The problem as with discrimination laws...how can the true intent be
>> determined or proven?
>>
>> Good intent, but hard to enforce.
>>
>
> The municipal judges in Ferguson will just have to learn to quit bragging
> about fleecing citizens. They could just keep doing business as usual, but
> quietly from now on.
>
> I've come to expect policing for profit and prosecuting for profit, but
> when a judge brags about deliberately fleecing those brought before him, it
> should be considered a capital crime. (and I mean that literally, the judge
> needs to dance in the electric chair)
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] interesting concept

Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/blog/2015/03/u-s-congressman-introduces-legislation-to-make-policing-for-profit-a-crime/

I like the term "po licing for Profit" It maybe should be "po
licing for profit and ego"

The problem as with discrimination laws...how can the true intent
be determined or proven?

Good intent, but hard to enforce.

The municipal judges in Ferguson will just have to learn to quit
bragging about fleecing citizens. They could just keep doing
business as usual, but quietly from now on.

I've come to expect policing for profit and prosecuting for profit,
but when a judge brags about deliberately fleecing those brought
before him, it should be considered a capital crime. (and I mean
that literally, the judge needs to dance in the electric chair)

Mitch.

All traffic cameras are installed for profit. This has been proven.
All traffic fines are for profit. If not, then the fine should no
more than cover LEGITIMATE court costs.

Speed traps are the favorite fundraiser for every jurisdiction in the USA.

The local state highway pe trol always denied they had quotas for
tickets. They always denied it. then they got caught. So they
claimed it was not a quota, but they called it something else. so
after they were caught, they changed the quotas and the name and kept
on doing it.

It was something like one point for rendering assistance to 5 or 10
points for speeding tickets. The system made it quite clear they
wanted the income form the speeding tickets. Nothing to do with
safety, just bring in the MONEY!

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Re: [MBZ] 123 Wuz: New Car for Shirley?

I keep seeing fixer-upper 126s all over the place for pretty cheap 
money.  If I had more time on my hands and a decent place to work on 
one I would seriously consider going that route.


Dan


Dissel or Benzin?  a Dissel would be worth messing with.  My rusty 
heap has proven to be a reliable car for 'round town.  I had to put 
new glow plugs in it, and after that it just purrs.  I think it had 4 
burned out glow plugs.


If I spent money on the front end, I'd not be afraid to drive it 1600 
miles to see you and back.


Benzin models have too many fiddly things that go bad.  air leaks, 
injection, that abc valve Jim just replaced that i never heard of 
ignitionsparkplugs.


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Re: [MBZ] interesting concept

2015-03-16 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/blog/2015/03/u-s-congressman-introduces-legislation-to-make-policing-for-profit-a-crime/ 




I like the term "po licing for Profit"  It maybe should be "po licing 
for profit and ego"


The problem as with discrimination laws...how can the true intent be 
determined or proven?


Good intent, but hard to enforce.


The municipal judges in Ferguson will just have to learn to quit bragging about 
fleecing citizens. They could just keep doing business as usual, but quietly 
from now on.


I've come to expect policing for profit and prosecuting for profit, but when a 
judge brags about deliberately fleecing those brought before him, it should be 
considered a capital crime. (and I mean that literally, the judge needs to dance 
in the electric chair)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

It will be very hard to steer since the box is setup for power steering 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2015, at 8:32 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like to resolve for next to 
> no cash would be the leak in the power steering system.  I can live without 
> the assist, and like the feel of man handling the car.  I liked that aspect 
> in Gump.  Losing the added weight would be a bonus.
> 
> Question is, can I delete the PS?  What more would be involved?
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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[MBZ] interesting concept


http://photographyisnotacrime.com/blog/2015/03/u-s-congressman-introduces-legislation-to-make-policing-for-profit-a-crime/


I like the term "po licing for Profit"  It maybe should be "po licing 
for profit and ego"


The problem as with discrimination laws...how can the true intent be 
determined or proven?


Good intent, but hard to enforce.

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

probably cheaper to fix the leak.  You will need a manual steering 
gearbox.  that is all.



The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like to resolve for 
next to no cash would be the leak in the power steering system.  I 
can live without the assist, and like the feel of man handling the 
car.  I liked that aspect in Gump.  Losing the added weight would be 
a bonus.


Question is, can I delete the PS?  What more would be involved?


clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS- HOG KILLING

2015-03-16 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Excellent!   Tis naught but horseradish and ketchup, no?   When I was knee high 
to a grasshopper,  Dad made cocktail sauce once when faced with a similar 
dilemma. We children were very skeptical.  Mom was not home that night, so we 
couldn't ask her if this was true, but we tried it anyway and found it 
acceptable. After that we preferred to make our own instead of using the 
store-bought stuff. 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 16, 2015 9:17:42 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:

>"But we have plenty of ketchup.  Hand me the ketchup, and I'll
>"stretch" the 
>cocktail sauce with it."  'Put some ketchup in the cocktail sauce
>bottle, 
>shook it well and proceeded to enjoy the shrimp with plenty of "sauce" 
>without any noticeable difference in taste.
>
>Wilton


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[MBZ] Power steering

2015-03-16 Thread clay via Mercedes

The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like to resolve for next to no 
cash would be the leak in the power steering system.  I can live without the 
assist, and like the feel of man handling the car.  I liked that aspect in 
Gump.  Losing the added weight would be a bonus.

Question is, can I delete the PS?  What more would be involved?


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD

I like the bundts and the 8-spoke wheels, at least to look at. Cleaning
and repainting a set of bundts wasn't fun, but not all that bad either.
Steel wheels with matching hub caps are OK, but not as nice as bundts. I
thought I had really moved up in the world when I replaced the 220D (4 on
the column) with steel wheels with the 300D (W115) with bundts, electric
windows, and an auto tranny!

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My first classic Mercedes Benz with alloy wheels was a very early (9/69)
> W111 280SE 3.5 coupe  The alloys were listed on the build sheet (data card)
> so they were original to the car.
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS- HOG KILLING


'Nother ATTABOY for innovation.

'Little incident at dinner/supper this evening proved that my innovative 
spirit is still well:  As I approached the table, SWMBO said, "How about 
some shrimp tonight.?"  As I replied, "That's great!" she stepped to the 
'fridge, opened the door and exclaimed, "Uh-oh, there's only this little bit 
of cocktail sauce!"  I took the small bottle from her and observed slightly 
less than an inch of sauce in the bottom of it and realized that most of 
that would be lost just trying to get it  out of the bottle.  Then I said, 
"But we have plenty of ketchup.  Hand me the ketchup, and I'll "stretch" the 
cocktail sauce with it."  'Put some ketchup in the cocktail sauce bottle, 
shook it well and proceeded to enjoy the shrimp with plenty of "sauce" 
without any noticeable difference in taste.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS- HOG KILLING



Today's hog butchering trivia:

Kohler started out making hog scalding troughs as well as other cast iron 
farm implements. Word got back to the factory that people were also using 
them to bathe in as well.


So they took a couple off the production line and enameled them - later to 
become the first real "bathtubs" of modern days.


Dan


On Mar 16, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:


When I read this, I could not help but wonder how a group of men managed 
to put a whole hog into a vat of boiling water and then fish it back out 
without getting splashed and burned.


I was afraid to ask however, as I assume one of you jokers will answer 
with one word - "carefully"


RB





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Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD

My first classic Mercedes Benz with alloy wheels was a very early (9/69)
W111 280SE 3.5 coupe  The alloys were listed on the build sheet (data card)
so they were original to the car.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:10 PM, Dwight Giles 
wrote:

> Yes  Andrew, well my love of Benzes started with 60's wheels. Also my two
> 240D's had matching painted caps. Disclosure- my 82 300CD has repainted
> bundts &  they don't look THAT bad. I also kind of like the stock alloy
> wheels on my '90 300D.
> On Mar 16, 2015 9:03 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow, I never knew there was such hatred of alloy wheels.  I remember when
>> they first came out - they were the proverbial cat's pajamas.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Steel wheels and painted hubcaps are much nicer than bundts.
>> >
>> > Bundts are a pain to keep clean, and a bigger pain to paint.
>> >
>> > the pancake wheels are a pain, but better than bundts.
>> >
>> >
>> >  I love painted caps & despise bundts. No accounting for taste. Looks
>> like
>> >> good deal. CD's on hemmings 10-15k.
>> >> On Mar 16, 2015 3:30 PM, "astrasfogel--- via Mercedes" <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>  I don't like anthracite grey and besides - what's with the hub caps?
>> >>>
>> >>  > --
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Installing New Bearings

I always do, but don't have a good reason other than not knowing the
properties of that preservative stuff.

> On Mar 16, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
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> > Should I wash the preservative lube off them before lubing them with the
> > appropriate grease? (I've chosen Amsoil GPTR2 because of its superlative
> > ratings.)
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD

2015-03-16 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Yes  Andrew, well my love of Benzes started with 60's wheels. Also my two
240D's had matching painted caps. Disclosure- my 82 300CD has repainted
bundts &  they don't look THAT bad. I also kind of like the stock alloy
wheels on my '90 300D.
On Mar 16, 2015 9:03 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
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> Wow, I never knew there was such hatred of alloy wheels.  I remember when
> they first came out - they were the proverbial cat's pajamas.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> > Steel wheels and painted hubcaps are much nicer than bundts.
> >
> > Bundts are a pain to keep clean, and a bigger pain to paint.
> >
> > the pancake wheels are a pain, but better than bundts.
> >
> >
> >  I love painted caps & despise bundts. No accounting for taste. Looks
> like
> >> good deal. CD's on hemmings 10-15k.
> >> On Mar 16, 2015 3:30 PM, "astrasfogel--- via Mercedes" <
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> >>
> >>>  I don't like anthracite grey and besides - what's with the hub caps?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

So I checked the level when I got home -  normal.  Maybe the new cap did
the trick.  There were no leaks at either the aux. watr pump or any of the
radiator hose lines.  Fingers crossed but I will check daily to monitor.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:36 PM,  wrote:

>
> Patty is super helpful advice, Peter - many thanks.  Do you make house
> calls?
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
>
> Leaks that I have found on this system:
> Porous heater or radiator hoses that only weep under pressure.
> Failed radiator cap.
> Cracked plastic coolant tank, either around the filler neck or down
> the seam.
> Bad water pump only leaking when hot and under pressure -- this one
> can be hard to find.
> Failed auxillary pump that only leaks when running -- look for coolant
> traces below the pump or coolant in the rubber holder.
> Failed head gasket leaking out the side.  Failed head gasket leaking
> into the coolant passages, blowing coolant out the overlfow (check for
> pressurized hoses when cold).
> Cracked head, same symptoms as the head gasket.
> Pressure test the system, that should at least eliminate some of the
> common possibilities.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Wuz: New Car for Shirley?


I would not consider a 201 a good car

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most were not taken care of.  But the 201 Diesel was a good car if 
they were taken care of.  not as durable as the 124 or 126.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

2015-03-16 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?

That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA for flying 
his drone for "commercial purposes."

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube

As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I 
believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a government 
employee yourself.


Seems to be working out OK for him:
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/blog/2015/03/faa-backpedals-after-sending-letter-ordering-man-to-remove-drone-footage-from-youtube/

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD

Wow, I never knew there was such hatred of alloy wheels.  I remember when
they first came out - they were the proverbial cat's pajamas.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> Steel wheels and painted hubcaps are much nicer than bundts.
>
> Bundts are a pain to keep clean, and a bigger pain to paint.
>
> the pancake wheels are a pain, but better than bundts.
>
>
>  I love painted caps & despise bundts. No accounting for taste. Looks like
>> good deal. CD's on hemmings 10-15k.
>> On Mar 16, 2015 3:30 PM, "astrasfogel--- via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>  I don't like anthracite grey and besides - what's with the hub caps?
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Wuz: New Car for Shirley?

I would not consider a 201 a good car 

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On Mar 16, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> The w210 felt smaller than the w124 to me.  And much smaller than a w123.   
>> Also had the lower quality feel of MB tex and worn carpet, which a benz of 
>> this era should not have.
>> 
>> clay
> 
> Saw a nice 123 going into mercado de wal tonight.  Sighted a 201 last night.  
> both good cars as are the 124 and 126.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Wuz: New Car for Shirley?

I keep seeing fixer-upper 126s all over the place for pretty cheap money.  If I 
had more time on my hands and a decent place to work on one I would seriously 
consider going that route.

Dan


> On Mar 16, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
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>> The w210 felt smaller than the w124 to me.  And much smaller than a w123.   
>> Also had the lower quality feel of MB tex and worn carpet, which a benz of 
>> this era should not have.
>> 
>> clay
> 
> Saw a nice 123 going into mercado de wal tonight.  Sighted a 201 last night.  
> both good cars as are the 124 and 126.
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[MBZ] 123 Wuz: New Car for Shirley?

The w210 felt smaller than the w124 to me.  And much smaller than a 
w123.   Also had the lower quality feel of MB tex and worn carpet, 
which a benz of this era should not have.


clay


Saw a nice 123 going into mercado de wal tonight.  Sighted a 201 last 
night.  both good cars as are the 124 and 126.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Installing New Bearings

No just grease them up and put them in

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> On Mar 16, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I have some new bearings for our utility trailer which I am going to
> install.
> 
> Should I wash the preservative lube off them before lubing them with the
> appropriate grease? (I've chosen Amsoil GPTR2 because of its superlative
> ratings.)
> 
> I know enough to not spin them with air ...
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Car for Shirley?

I'm going to have to look up the measurements now I am curious. No doubt the 
210 is not as high quality as a 124 but they do have a lot more modern features 
and are overall good.

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> On Mar 16, 2015, at 6:46 PM, clay  wrote:
> 
> The w210 felt smaller than the w124 to me.  And much smaller than a w123.   
> Also had the lower quality feel of MB tex and worn carpet, which a benz of 
> this era should not have.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> That's the 210. To me they seem just slightly bigger than a 124 but it may 
>> just be me or how they are laid out. They are certainly right about the same 
>> size as a 123/124.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 16:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/4931211083.html
>>> 
>>> Shirley said it's pretty.
>>> 
>>> What chassis would it be?
>>> 
>>> How would it compare in size and other aspects to W123s and W124s?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

Too bad you are not close. I could use the motor

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> On Mar 16, 2015, at 5:09 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> May I not be forced to live in a cardboard box, but I am now half owner of a 
> 1975 300D.  SWMBA is out of state, so will not find out of this new toy for a 
> few months
> 
> I think this is another of the K'leb tauntings that I ended up getting.  Like 
> Gump, somebody on list made mention that I should look at this thing.  I put 
> that thought on ignore until last month.  IIRC, the car listed for around 
> $1k.  Over time the value decreased and when I looked three weeks ago, CL had 
> it at $650.  PO listed it as no start but had been driven all summer until no 
> start condition arose.  I went to see what I found, and had arranged with #1 
> boy that if it were decent, we would go in on it together.  Something to get 
> him out of the basement and learning how to shade tree his own rides later on.
> 
> I went to see it on a cloudy/misty day and learned the PO had a penchant for 
> older cars.  He is driving a '92 w190, but had an old SD at one point, and 
> got this car (300D) on a lark, thinking he would restore it somehow.  Owner 
> before him has sort of boogered the car up by installing seats out of an SE 
> (w126) and they did not want to stay bolted down.  Windows had stopped 
> working and were half down, so in our climate mold had set up shop.  The 
> driver side doors had also developed a latching issue and would not remain 
> shut.  There was obvious external rust on the rear quarter panel, but the 
> fronts seemed solid.  Somebody had tried to renovate the car a number of 
> years ago with generic carpet and padding on the floor, put bundts all 
> around, installed the wrong battery, had aftermarket speakers front and back, 
> messed up alligator texture original silver paint.
> 
> The no start was due to "shakes went starts" that had worn the cable to the 
> starter until it snapped.  No electrons to the starter.  I saw that and while 
> hooked to my W220 battery (jump attempt) had him glow the thing and try a 
> start while I held the cable to the place on the starter it wanted to be.  I 
> used heavy rubber gloves, but would not have complained if I was taken out by 
> my own stupidity.  The thing did attempt to turn over.  So, that indicated 
> that the engine was not seized and that the starter wanted to work.  Seemed 
> like it might work for a messing around car.  
> 
> I returned home and shared my data with #1 boy.  He was noncommittal, which 
> is fine.  I made interested noises to the seller, but told him I had a few 
> other things to consider, so he should feel free to offer it to somebody with 
> cash.  His price was not in line with the value, and I was not going to waste 
> cash or time getting the car in much better shape.  From what I had seen, 
> this would be a great 24 Hours of LeMons car.  Strip it down and salvage what 
> I could to fund the project.
> 
> Seller contacted me last week and said all the other tire kickers were far 
> from interested.  If I wanted, he would sell for $400 or just take the $300 
> for scrap value, since he really needed it gone.  This time #1 boy was a bit 
> more interested, and we made plans to drag the thing home.  I had hoped to 
> put some fresh fuel in, and connect the starter cable, or build myself one.  
> As back up, I made up a 0 gauge cable and faked up a bumper guard for the 
> pusher in case I could get it bump started.  And off he went in the pouring 
> rain.
> 
> We arrived in good time and rousted the seller.  Poked around the car trying 
> to get wires secured and the doors strapped shut.  Hooked the jumper cables 
> to the battery and let some juice flow so that I could give it a start.  A 
> quarter hour later, there were no electrons being saved in the battery and 
> there was not enough juice to get the starter to engage, but there was enough 
> for glow.  I should mention that the ignition was hacked, and you needed to 
> push on a mystery button under the steering column, sort of like the gorilla 
> knob on Gump to get the plugs glowing.  That is as good as any car alarm for 
> me.  We closed the deal and I had #1 boy give the car a push for an attempt 
> at bump start.  At least we got out of the sellers neighborhood before I 
> figured out there was not enough electron flow for the ignition to kick in 
> and light off the engine.  We made it to a commercial center and I called AAA 
> for a ride home.
> 
> I sat in the lot waiting for the truck for about an hour and a half.  Rain 
> pouring down, windows open, driver seat unbolted and reclined back on the 
> rear bench seat, and the mobile phone battery crapping out.  The section of 
> town is not a prosperous one.  A very "multicultural" area where the cop cars 
> are of the SUV/armored looking sort, not the dainty Crown Vic.  Many sirens 
> and pairs of patrol cars responding to all manner of nefarious activities.  I 
> am waiting

[MBZ] OT: Installing New Bearings

I have some new bearings for our utility trailer which I am going to
install.

Should I wash the preservative lube off them before lubing them with the
appropriate grease? (I've chosen Amsoil GPTR2 because of its superlative
ratings.)

I know enough to not spin them with air ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] New Car for Shirley?

2015-03-16 Thread clay via Mercedes

The w210 felt smaller than the w124 to me.  And much smaller than a w123.   
Also had the lower quality feel of MB tex and worn carpet, which a benz of this 
era should not have.

clay



On Mar 15, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> That's the 210. To me they seem just slightly bigger than a 124 but it may 
> just be me or how they are laid out. They are certainly right about the same 
> size as a 123/124.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 16:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/4931211083.html
>> 
>> Shirley said it's pretty.
>> 
>> What chassis would it be?
>> 
>> How would it compare in size and other aspects to W123s and W124s?
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS- HOG KILLING

Today's hog butchering trivia:

Kohler started out making hog scalding troughs as well as other cast iron farm 
implements. Word got back to the factory that people were also using them to 
bathe in as well.

So they took a couple off the production line and enameled them - later to 
become the first real "bathtubs" of modern days.

Dan

> On Mar 16, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I read this, I could not help but wonder how a group of men managed to 
> put a whole hog into a vat of boiling water and then fish it back out without 
> getting splashed and burned.
> 
> I was afraid to ask however, as I assume one of you jokers will answer with 
> one word - "carefully"
> 
> RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

Props for saving an MB from the crusher!

It does sound like a great Lemons car...

Dan


> On Mar 16, 2015, at 6:09 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> May I not be forced to live in a cardboard box, but I am now half owner of a 
> 1975 300D.  SWMBA is out of state, so will not find out of this new toy for a 
> few months
> 
> I think this is another of the K'leb tauntings that I ended up getting.  Like 
> Gump, somebody on list made mention that I should look at this thing.  I put 
> that thought on ignore until last month.  IIRC, the car listed for around 
> $1k.  Over time the value decreased and when I looked three weeks ago, CL had 
> it at $650.  PO listed it as no start but had been driven all summer until no 
> start condition arose.  I went to see what I found, and had arranged with #1 
> boy that if it were decent, we would go in on it together.  Something to get 
> him out of the basement and learning how to shade tree his own rides later on.
> 
> I went to see it on a cloudy/misty day and learned the PO had a penchant for 
> older cars.  He is driving a '92 w190, but had an old SD at one point, and 
> got this car (300D) on a lark, thinking he would restore it somehow.  Owner 
> before him has sort of boogered the car up by installing seats out of an SE 
> (w126) and they did not want to stay bolted down.  Windows had stopped 
> working and were half down, so in our climate mold had set up shop.  The 
> driver side doors had also developed a latching issue and would not remain 
> shut.  There was obvious external rust on the rear quarter panel, but the 
> fronts seemed solid.  Somebody had tried to renovate the car a number of 
> years ago with generic carpet and padding on the floor, put bundts all 
> around, installed the wrong battery, had aftermarket speakers front and back, 
> messed up alligator texture original silver paint.
> 
> The no start was due to "shakes went starts" that had worn the cable to the 
> starter until it snapped.  No electrons to the starter.  I saw that and while 
> hooked to my W220 battery (jump attempt) had him glow the thing and try a 
> start while I held the cable to the place on the starter it wanted to be.  I 
> used heavy rubber gloves, but would not have complained if I was taken out by 
> my own stupidity.  The thing did attempt to turn over.  So, that indicated 
> that the engine was not seized and that the starter wanted to work.  Seemed 
> like it might work for a messing around car.  
> 
> I returned home and shared my data with #1 boy.  He was noncommittal, which 
> is fine.  I made interested noises to the seller, but told him I had a few 
> other things to consider, so he should feel free to offer it to somebody with 
> cash.  His price was not in line with the value, and I was not going to waste 
> cash or time getting the car in much better shape.  From what I had seen, 
> this would be a great 24 Hours of LeMons car.  Strip it down and salvage what 
> I could to fund the project.
> 
> Seller contacted me last week and said all the other tire kickers were far 
> from interested.  If I wanted, he would sell for $400 or just take the $300 
> for scrap value, since he really needed it gone.  This time #1 boy was a bit 
> more interested, and we made plans to drag the thing home.  I had hoped to 
> put some fresh fuel in, and connect the starter cable, or build myself one.  
> As back up, I made up a 0 gauge cable and faked up a bumper guard for the 
> pusher in case I could get it bump started.  And off he went in the pouring 
> rain.
> 
> We arrived in good time and rousted the seller.  Poked around the car trying 
> to get wires secured and the doors strapped shut.  Hooked the jumper cables 
> to the battery and let some juice flow so that I could give it a start.  A 
> quarter hour later, there were no electrons being saved in the battery and 
> there was not enough juice to get the starter to engage, but there was enough 
> for glow.  I should mention that the ignition was hacked, and you needed to 
> push on a mystery button under the steering column, sort of like the gorilla 
> knob on Gump to get the plugs glowing.  That is as good as any car alarm for 
> me.  We closed the deal and I had #1 boy give the car a push for an attempt 
> at bump start.  At least we got out of the sellers neighborhood before I 
> figured out there was not enough electron flow for the ignition to kick in 
> and light off the engine.  We made it to a commercial center and I called AAA 
> for a ride home.
> 
> I sat in the lot waiting for the truck for about an hour and a half.  Rain 
> pouring down, windows open, driver seat unbolted and reclined back on the 
> rear bench seat, and the mobile phone battery crapping out.  The section of 
> town is not a prosperous one.  A very "multicultural" area where the cop cars 
> are of the SUV/armored looking sort, not the dainty Crown Vic.  Many sirens 
> and pairs of patrol cars responding to all manner of nefarious activities

Re: [MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

Bravo! Sounds like a fine father and son project.
-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 6:09 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

May I not be forced to live in a cardboard box, but I am now half owner of a 
1975 300D.  SWMBA is out of state, so will not find out of this new toy for a 
few months

I think this is another of the K'leb tauntings that I ended up getting.  Like 
Gump, somebody on list made mention that I should look at this thing.  I put 
that thought on ignore until last month.  IIRC, the car listed for around $1k.  
Over time the value decreased and when I looked three weeks ago, CL had it at 
$650.  PO listed it as no start but had been driven all summer until no start 
condition arose.  I went to see what I found, and had arranged with #1 boy that 
if it were decent, we would go in on it together.  Something to get him out of 
the basement and learning how to shade tree his own rides later on.

I went to see it on a cloudy/misty day and learned the PO had a penchant for 
older cars.  He is driving a '92 w190, but had an old SD at one point, and got 
this car (300D) on a lark, thinking he would restore it somehow.  Owner before 
him has sort of boogered the car up by installing seats out of an SE (w126) and 
they did not want to stay bolted down.  Windows had stopped working and were 
half down, so in our climate mold had set up shop.  The driver side doors had 
also developed a latching issue and would not remain shut.  There was obvious 
external rust on the rear quarter panel, but the fronts seemed solid.  Somebody 
had tried to renovate the car a number of years ago with generic carpet and 
padding on the floor, put bundts all around, installed the wrong battery, had 
aftermarket speakers front and back, messed up alligator texture original 
silver paint.

The no start was due to "shakes went starts" that had worn the cable to the 
starter until it snapped.  No electrons to the starter.  I saw that and while 
hooked to my W220 battery (jump attempt) had him glow the thing and try a start 
while I held the cable to the place on the starter it wanted to be.  I used 
heavy rubber gloves, but would not have complained if I was taken out by my own 
stupidity.  The thing did attempt to turn over.  So, that indicated that the 
engine was not seized and that the starter wanted to work.  Seemed like it 
might work for a messing around car.  

I returned home and shared my data with #1 boy.  He was noncommittal, which is 
fine.  I made interested noises to the seller, but told him I had a few other 
things to consider, so he should feel free to offer it to somebody with cash.  
His price was not in line with the value, and I was not going to waste cash or 
time getting the car in much better shape.  From what I had seen, this would be 
a great 24 Hours of LeMons car.  Strip it down and salvage what I could to fund 
the project.

Seller contacted me last week and said all the other tire kickers were far from 
interested.  If I wanted, he would sell for $400 or just take the $300 for 
scrap value, since he really needed it gone.  This time #1 boy was a bit more 
interested, and we made plans to drag the thing home.  I had hoped to put some 
fresh fuel in, and connect the starter cable, or build myself one.  As back up, 
I made up a 0 gauge cable and faked up a bumper guard for the pusher in case I 
could get it bump started.  And off he went in the pouring rain.

We arrived in good time and rousted the seller.  Poked around the car trying to 
get wires secured and the doors strapped shut.  Hooked the jumper cables to the 
battery and let some juice flow so that I could give it a start.  A quarter 
hour later, there were no electrons being saved in the battery and there was 
not enough juice to get the starter to engage, but there was enough for glow.  
I should mention that the ignition was hacked, and you needed to push on a 
mystery button under the steering column, sort of like the gorilla knob on Gump 
to get the plugs glowing.  That is as good as any car alarm for me.  We closed 
the deal and I had #1 boy give the car a push for an attempt at bump start.  At 
least we got out of the sellers neighborhood before I figured out there was not 
enough electron flow for the ignition to kick in and light off the engine.  We 
made it to a commercial center and I called AAA for a ride home.

I sat in the lot waiting for the truck for about an hour and a half.  Rain 
pouring down, windows open, driver seat unbolted and reclined back on the rear 
bench seat, and the mobile phone battery crapping out.  The section of town is 
not a prosperous one.  A very "multicultural" area where the cop cars are of 
the SUV/armored looking sort, not the dainty Crown Vic.  Many sirens and pairs 
of patrol cars responding to all manner of nefarious activities.  I am waiting 
for a "brother" or "vato" to walk up and knife me while I soak.

It did give me

[MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

2015-03-16 Thread clay via Mercedes

May I not be forced to live in a cardboard box, but I am now half owner of a 
1975 300D.  SWMBA is out of state, so will not find out of this new toy for a 
few months

I think this is another of the K'leb tauntings that I ended up getting.  Like 
Gump, somebody on list made mention that I should look at this thing.  I put 
that thought on ignore until last month.  IIRC, the car listed for around $1k.  
Over time the value decreased and when I looked three weeks ago, CL had it at 
$650.  PO listed it as no start but had been driven all summer until no start 
condition arose.  I went to see what I found, and had arranged with #1 boy that 
if it were decent, we would go in on it together.  Something to get him out of 
the basement and learning how to shade tree his own rides later on.

I went to see it on a cloudy/misty day and learned the PO had a penchant for 
older cars.  He is driving a '92 w190, but had an old SD at one point, and got 
this car (300D) on a lark, thinking he would restore it somehow.  Owner before 
him has sort of boogered the car up by installing seats out of an SE (w126) and 
they did not want to stay bolted down.  Windows had stopped working and were 
half down, so in our climate mold had set up shop.  The driver side doors had 
also developed a latching issue and would not remain shut.  There was obvious 
external rust on the rear quarter panel, but the fronts seemed solid.  Somebody 
had tried to renovate the car a number of years ago with generic carpet and 
padding on the floor, put bundts all around, installed the wrong battery, had 
aftermarket speakers front and back, messed up alligator texture original 
silver paint.

The no start was due to "shakes went starts" that had worn the cable to the 
starter until it snapped.  No electrons to the starter.  I saw that and while 
hooked to my W220 battery (jump attempt) had him glow the thing and try a start 
while I held the cable to the place on the starter it wanted to be.  I used 
heavy rubber gloves, but would not have complained if I was taken out by my own 
stupidity.  The thing did attempt to turn over.  So, that indicated that the 
engine was not seized and that the starter wanted to work.  Seemed like it 
might work for a messing around car.  

I returned home and shared my data with #1 boy.  He was noncommittal, which is 
fine.  I made interested noises to the seller, but told him I had a few other 
things to consider, so he should feel free to offer it to somebody with cash.  
His price was not in line with the value, and I was not going to waste cash or 
time getting the car in much better shape.  From what I had seen, this would be 
a great 24 Hours of LeMons car.  Strip it down and salvage what I could to fund 
the project.

Seller contacted me last week and said all the other tire kickers were far from 
interested.  If I wanted, he would sell for $400 or just take the $300 for 
scrap value, since he really needed it gone.  This time #1 boy was a bit more 
interested, and we made plans to drag the thing home.  I had hoped to put some 
fresh fuel in, and connect the starter cable, or build myself one.  As back up, 
I made up a 0 gauge cable and faked up a bumper guard for the pusher in case I 
could get it bump started.  And off he went in the pouring rain.

We arrived in good time and rousted the seller.  Poked around the car trying to 
get wires secured and the doors strapped shut.  Hooked the jumper cables to the 
battery and let some juice flow so that I could give it a start.  A quarter 
hour later, there were no electrons being saved in the battery and there was 
not enough juice to get the starter to engage, but there was enough for glow.  
I should mention that the ignition was hacked, and you needed to push on a 
mystery button under the steering column, sort of like the gorilla knob on Gump 
to get the plugs glowing.  That is as good as any car alarm for me.  We closed 
the deal and I had #1 boy give the car a push for an attempt at bump start.  At 
least we got out of the sellers neighborhood before I figured out there was not 
enough electron flow for the ignition to kick in and light off the engine.  We 
made it to a commercial center and I called AAA for a ride home.

I sat in the lot waiting for the truck for about an hour and a half.  Rain 
pouring down, windows open, driver seat unbolted and reclined back on the rear 
bench seat, and the mobile phone battery crapping out.  The section of town is 
not a prosperous one.  A very "multicultural" area where the cop cars are of 
the SUV/armored looking sort, not the dainty Crown Vic.  Many sirens and pairs 
of patrol cars responding to all manner of nefarious activities.  I am waiting 
for a "brother" or "vato" to walk up and knife me while I soak.

It did give me a chance to look over the interior a bit more.  Some salvageable 
parts I could offer on Fleabay.  I needed the old fashion AC control for 
Froggy. Some other parts would come in handy for selling.

Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS- HOG KILLING

2015-03-16 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

When I read this, I could not help but wonder how a group of men managed 
to put a whole hog into a vat of boiling water and then fish it back out 
without getting splashed and burned.


I was afraid to ask however, as I assume one of you jokers will answer 
with one word - "carefully"


RB


On 16/03/2015 1:44 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Yep, another one already:

HOG  KILLING
By Wilton Strickland

   On a very cold day in late autumn, Mama and Daddy would kill hogs 
and prepare the meat for storage.  On the day before, Daddy would 
ready a scalding vat, a metal tank with sides low enough for several 
men to lift a heavy hog over into it and big enough to submerge the 
hog in scalding water. The vat was situated on the ground over a 
shallow, trench-like hole where a wood fire would heat the water to 
boiling.  A vertical, metal stovepipe about 5 to 6 feet long protruded 
from one end of the fire trench to vent the fire.
   Very early on the appointed day, Daddy would start a fire under the 
vat and have the water boiling by the time several neighbor couples 
arrived to help with the day's tasks.  Daddy and my older brothers or 
a couple of neighbor men would go into the hog pen and slaughter the 
selected hogs, usually two to six.  This was often done by hitting the 
hog on the head with the back of an ax or appropriate hammer or by 
shooting him in the head with a .22 caliber rifle.  Immediately, one 
of the men would slit the hog's throat with a very sharp knife.  After 
the hogs had bled sufficiently, they were carried across the yard and 
rolled one-by-one into the vat of boiling water.
   The boiling water loosened the hog's hair so that it could be 
scraped off easily.  After the hog had been submerged in the water, 
the men rolled it out of the vat onto boards or a low platform beside 
the vat.  There, the men removed all the hair by scraping it with 
hand-held scrapers, often using the sharp edges of galvanized steel 
Mason jar lids.  After the men removed the hair, they hung the hog by 
its rear legs on a "gallows" or "scaffolding" - a strong pole or beam 
mounted horizontally between temporary uprights.
   One of the men then would cut a vertical slit down the entire 
centerline of the hog's underside and carefully remove all of its 
internal organs. During this process, the "butcher" was careful not to 
puncture an intestine. He also put the intestines in a container 
separate from the other organs to prevent contamination with feces.  
After all of the internal organs were removed and the entire carcass 
thoroughly washed, the men laid it on a clean table, where it was cut 
into appropriate parts - hams, shoulders, ribs, loin (pork chops), 
sides (country bacon), fatback, etc.
   The women would take the intestines to a newly-dug hole at the rear 
of the yard and wash their contents into the hole.  After the 
intestines had been thoroughly washed several times, including turning 
them inside out, the women took them inside to a table where they 
scraped their inside surfaces, leaving paper-thin casings for sausage.
   Meanwhile, the men trimmed excess fat from the parts to be salted 
and covered in appropriate herbs and spices and hung in the 
smokehouse.  Most meaty parts not going into the smokehouse were 
ground into sausage. Certain fatty parts were combined and heated 
(rendered) in the cast iron wash pot in the back yard to make lard, 
which was stored in metal lard cans and kept available for cooking 
during the following year.  A byproduct of the rendering process was 
"cracklins," small pieces of fat and skin left after the lard was 
squeezed from them.  A delicacy was "cracklin" bread, cornbread 
containing cracklins.
   As a child, I often turned the handle of the grinder to prepare the 
meat for making sausage.  After the meat was ground, the women mixed 
certain herbs and spices into it to make sausage.  We then put the 
sausage through a hand-cranked sausage press, which forced it into 
casings made from the hog's intestines.
The sausages, hams, shoulders and certain sidepieces were hung in the 
smokehouse to dry and to "cure."  For the next several days, Daddy 
would put a smoldering bucket of hardwood coals in the smokehouse to 
help cure (preserve) the meat and give it a smoked flavor.  The main 
preserver, though, was the generous amount of salt, herbs and spices 
encasing the meat.
   For several days after hog killing day, we would enjoy nearly a 
feast of fresh meats, including tender loin and sausage.  Another 
"special" delicacy for many was "chitlins," (chitterlings) hog 
intestines appropriately cooked and seasoned.  A delicacy that we 
children liked best, though, was a special sausage we called 
"Dandoodie." (I suspect the name may have evolved from the Cajun 
"Boudin" sausage.)  In addition to the ingredients of regular sausage, 
it also contained liver and other internal organs, making it very dark 
in color and giving it a somewhat sweet taste.  For several m

Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD


Steel wheels and painted hubcaps are much nicer than bundts.

Bundts are a pain to keep clean, and a bigger pain to paint.

the pancake wheels are a pain, but better than bundts.



I love painted caps & despise bundts. No accounting for taste. Looks like
good deal. CD's on hemmings 10-15k.
On Mar 16, 2015 3:30 PM, "astrasfogel--- via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



 I don't like anthracite grey and besides - what's with the hub caps?

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Re: [MBZ] Craig/Shirley's New Ride

Yeah, that’s a real shame.  I just don’t understand the rationale behind the 
“slammed” suspension.  At least not on a station wagon…

Dan

> On Mar 16, 2015, at 2:52 PM, WILTON  wrote:
> 
> A pity, but maybe it can be saved, anyway.  The good wheels from the wrecked 
> one could help.  Even has its own built-in picnic table.
> 
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Craig/Shirley's New Ride

Yep; 'noticed that, too.  Why do so many damned fools hafta screw up a good 
thing with their "improvements?"


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craig/Shirley's New Ride



On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:52:25 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:


A pity,


Indeed.



but maybe it can be saved, anyway.


By someone other than me!

Pictures 3 and 6 show just how miserably the suspension angles have been
affected by the modifications.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD

The hupcaps/wheel covers look normal; it's the whitewall tires that look 
strange on a Mercedes.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dwight Giles via Mercedes" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Andrew Strasfogel" 


Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD



I love painted caps & despise bundts. No accounting for taste. Looks like
good deal. CD's on hemmings 10-15k.
On Mar 16, 2015 3:30 PM, "astrasfogel--- via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



I don't like anthracite grey and besides - what's with the hub caps?
--
Sent from myMail app for Android
Monday, 16 March 2015, 02:42PM -0400 from Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
I can see the price he’s asking - it’s a really nice example and appears
to be in excellent shape:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2297929-fs-1985-300cd-turbodiesel-115k-miles.html#post11511537
<
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2297929-fs-1985-300cd-turbodiesel-115k-miles.html#post11511537
>
Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD

Absolutely.  I love the color-keyed wheel covers.  Bundts are an abomination.


Dan

> On Mar 16, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I love painted caps & despise bundts. No accounting for taste. Looks like
> good deal. CD's on hemmings 10-15k.
> On Mar 16, 2015 3:30 PM, "astrasfogel--- via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I don't like anthracite grey and besides - what's with the hub caps?
>> -


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Re: [MBZ] Craig/Shirley's New Ride

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:52:25 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

> A pity,

Indeed.


> but maybe it can be saved, anyway.

By someone other than me!

Pictures 3 and 6 show just how miserably the suspension angles have been
affected by the modifications.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:59:11 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> A prop strike is an expensive inspection, even if there's no repair
> required. Much more expensive is a repair or replacement is required.
> A new prop for my C182 is now $7500 plus taxes . . .

Wow!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Craig/Shirley's New Ride

Crack

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> On Mar 16, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Low and slow….
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2298209-1995-e320-estate-w124.html#post11513937
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD

2015-03-16 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

I love painted caps & despise bundts. No accounting for taste. Looks like
good deal. CD's on hemmings 10-15k.
On Mar 16, 2015 3:30 PM, "astrasfogel--- via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I don't like anthracite grey and besides - what's with the hub caps?
> --
> Sent from myMail app for Android
> Monday, 16 March 2015, 02:42PM -0400 from Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> I can see the price he’s asking - it’s a really nice example and appears
> to be in excellent shape:
>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2297929-fs-1985-300cd-turbodiesel-115k-miles.html#post11511537
> <
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Re: [MBZ] Craig/Shirley's New Ride

I'd take it if the dude gave it to me.  Probably 
good for parts only after such a butcher job.   I 
wouldn't give $500 for it.




Low and slow.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2298209-1995-e320-estate-w124.html#post11513937 



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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD



Patty is super helpful advice, Peter - many thanks.  Do you make house calls?
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Monday, 16 March 2015, 01:47PM -0400 from Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
:
Leaks that I have found on this system:
Porous heater or radiator hoses that only weep under pressure.
Failed radiator cap.
Cracked plastic coolant tank, either around the filler neck or down
the seam.
Bad water pump only leaking when hot and under pressure -- this one
can be hard to find.
Failed auxillary pump that only leaks when running -- look for coolant
traces below the pump or coolant in the rubber holder.
Failed head gasket leaking out the side.  Failed head gasket leaking
into the coolant passages, blowing coolant out the overlfow (check for
pressurized hoses when cold).
Cracked head, same symptoms as the head gasket.
Pressure test the system, that should at least eliminate some of the
common possibilities.
Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble



I don't know but from what I've read he's a jerk in real life
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Monday, 16 March 2015, 01:35PM -0400 from Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>:
>Steve Segall and Bruce Willis.
>
>On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>
>>  I want Wilton and Jon on my team. Andrew,  pick two for your team. ..
>>  --
>>  Max Dillon
>>  Charleston SC
>>  '87 300TD
>  > '95 E300
>  >
2 real military pilots vs 2 would be actors...  My money is on Max's team!
Isn't that supposed to be seagull?  Is he related to Jonathan Livingston?
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble



I never tailgate and don't own drone so our paths will never cross.
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Monday, 16 March 2015, 01:36PM -0400 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
:
You of course have the right to operated the drone but if it begins to infringe 
on my rights I have an equal right to react. Since I'm a nice person I'd start 
by asking you to stop, if you failed to stop you'd stop having a drone.
Same thing as when you tailgate me. You have the right to tailgate but I have 
the right to drive really slow...
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
 To: G Mann < g2ma...@gmail.com >
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
My right to own and operate a drone vs. your right to privacy?
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, G Mann < g2ma...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Again, I invite you to read and understand the 10th Amendment of Bill of
> Rights.
>
> A Right can not be taken, it can only be surrendered.
>
> You may have surrendered yours.. I have not.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>
>> Under what law?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>> > Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly
>> > your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down...
>> > -Curt
>> >
>> >
>> >      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
>> >  To: G Mann < g2ma...@gmail.com >
>> > Cc: Mercedes Discussion List < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
>> >  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM
>> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
>>
>> >
>> > So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7
>> > aerial surveillance of your property?  Or buzzing around outside your
>> b/r
>> > window?  And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you
>> knock
>> > this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann < g2ma...@gmail.com > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yes.
>> > >
>> > > Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on
>> you, it
>> > > is only equally fair we citizens would do the same.
>> > >
>> > > Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government
>> > > agency with unlimited power and an armed drone?
>> > >
>> > > A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > >  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
>> > >> citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including
>> spying
>> > on
>> > >> you or anyone else?
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> > >>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Dan Penoff wrote:
>> > >> > > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
>> > >> > > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble
>> with
>> > >> the
>> > >> > FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>>  
>>http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand,
>> > >> which, I
>> > >> > believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
>> > >> > government employee yourself.
>> > >> > > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
>> > >> > > Dan
>> > >> > ..
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle
>> might
>> > >> just
>> > >> > be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real
>> reasons
>> > >> which
>> > >> > could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry
>> > >> enough
>> > >> > explosives to do serious damage according to one article.
>> > >> > Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with
>> > >> > several states enacting laws regulating them.
>> > >> > The government is running tests around the White House and DC
>> trying
>> > to
>> > >> > find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the
>> > >> following:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>>  http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws
>> > ≻=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1
>> > >> >
>> > >> > or search: "drone laws florida"
>> > >> >
>> > >> > If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his
>> drone
>> > >> up
>> > >> > north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large
>> nudist
>> > >> camp,
>> > >> > or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and
>> other
>> > >> rich
>> > >> > folks a

Re: [MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD


I don't like anthracite grey and besides - what's with the hub caps?
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Monday, 16 March 2015, 02:42PM -0400 from Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
:
I can see the price he’s asking - it’s a really nice example and appears to be 
in excellent shape:
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2297929-fs-1985-300cd-turbodiesel-115k-miles.html#post11511537
 < 
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2297929-fs-1985-300cd-turbodiesel-115k-miles.html#post11511537
 >
Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Craig/Shirley's New Ride

A pity, but maybe it can be saved, anyway.  The good wheels from the wrecked 
one could help.  Even has its own built-in picnic table.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 2:46 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Craig/Shirley's New Ride



Low and slow….

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2298209-1995-e320-estate-w124.html#post11513937 



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[MBZ] Craig/Shirley's New Ride

Low and slow….

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2298209-1995-e320-estate-w124.html#post11513937
 


Dan
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[MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS- HOG KILLING


Yep, another one already:

HOG  KILLING
By Wilton Strickland

   On a very cold day in late autumn, Mama and Daddy would kill hogs and 
prepare the meat for storage.  On the day before, Daddy would ready a 
scalding vat, a metal tank with sides low enough for several men to lift a 
heavy hog over into it and big enough to submerge the hog in scalding water. 
The vat was situated on the ground over a shallow, trench-like hole where a 
wood fire would heat the water to boiling.  A vertical, metal stovepipe 
about 5 to 6 feet long protruded from one end of the fire trench to vent the 
fire.
   Very early on the appointed day, Daddy would start a fire under the vat 
and have the water boiling by the time several neighbor couples arrived to 
help with the day's tasks.  Daddy and my older brothers or a couple of 
neighbor men would go into the hog pen and slaughter the selected hogs, 
usually two to six.  This was often done by hitting the hog on the head with 
the back of an ax or appropriate hammer or by shooting him in the head with 
a .22 caliber rifle.  Immediately, one of the men would slit the hog's 
throat with a very sharp knife.  After the hogs had bled sufficiently, they 
were carried across the yard and rolled one-by-one into the vat of boiling 
water.
   The boiling water loosened the hog's hair so that it could be scraped 
off easily.  After the hog had been submerged in the water, the men rolled 
it out of the vat onto boards or a low platform beside the vat.  There, the 
men removed all the hair by scraping it with hand-held scrapers, often using 
the sharp edges of galvanized steel Mason jar lids.  After the men removed 
the hair, they hung the hog by its rear legs on a "gallows" or 
"scaffolding" - a strong pole or beam mounted horizontally between temporary 
uprights.
   One of the men then would cut a vertical slit down the entire centerline 
of the hog's underside and carefully remove all of its internal organs. 
During this process, the "butcher" was careful not to puncture an intestine. 
He also put the intestines in a container separate from the other organs to 
prevent contamination with feces.  After all of the internal organs were 
removed and the entire carcass thoroughly washed, the men laid it on a clean 
table, where it was cut into appropriate parts - hams, shoulders, ribs, loin 
(pork chops), sides (country bacon), fatback, etc.
   The women would take the intestines to a newly-dug hole at the rear of 
the yard and wash their contents into the hole.  After the intestines had 
been thoroughly washed several times, including turning them inside out, the 
women took them inside to a table where they scraped their inside surfaces, 
leaving paper-thin casings for sausage.
   Meanwhile, the men trimmed excess fat from the parts to be salted and 
covered in appropriate herbs and spices and hung in the smokehouse.  Most 
meaty parts not going into the smokehouse were ground into sausage. 
Certain fatty parts were combined and heated (rendered) in the cast iron 
wash pot in the back yard to make lard, which was stored in metal lard cans 
and kept available for cooking during the following year.  A byproduct of 
the rendering process was "cracklins," small pieces of fat and skin left 
after the lard was squeezed from them.  A delicacy was "cracklin" bread, 
cornbread containing cracklins.
   As a child, I often turned the handle of the grinder to prepare the meat 
for making sausage.  After the meat was ground, the women mixed certain 
herbs and spices into it to make sausage.  We then put the sausage through a 
hand-cranked sausage press, which forced it into casings made from the hog's 
intestines.
The sausages, hams, shoulders and certain sidepieces were hung in the 
smokehouse to dry and to "cure."  For the next several days, Daddy would put 
a smoldering bucket of hardwood coals in the smokehouse to help cure 
(preserve) the meat and give it a smoked flavor.  The main preserver, 
though, was the generous amount of salt, herbs and spices encasing the meat.
   For several days after hog killing day, we would enjoy nearly a feast of 
fresh meats, including tender loin and sausage.  Another "special" delicacy 
for many was "chitlins," (chitterlings) hog intestines appropriately cooked 
and seasoned.  A delicacy that we children liked best, though, was a special 
sausage we called "Dandoodie." (I suspect the name may have evolved from the 
Cajun "Boudin" sausage.)  In addition to the ingredients of regular sausage, 
it also contained liver and other internal organs, making it very dark in 
color and giving it a somewhat sweet taste.  For several mornings at 
breakfast we also enjoyed hog brains and eggs scrambled together.  For 
nearly the following year, we would continue to enjoy the country ham, 
sausage and bacon stored in the smokehouse, all especially good when served 
with Mama's usual fresh, hot buttermilk biscuits.
Another very special product produced from the hogs was soap

[MBZ] Nice 1984 300CD

I can see the price he’s asking - it’s a really nice example and appears to be 
in excellent shape:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2297929-fs-1985-300cd-turbodiesel-115k-miles.html#post11511537
 


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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

2015-03-16 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes

Take it out and get it up to normal operating temp,  Mine is steady at 90C.  
Check out everything after it’s hot and pressurized.  When my aux pump failed 
(cheap Chinese crap), it wasn’t readily apparent.  It was spewing into the 
alternator which was somehow vaporizing it.


> On Mar 16, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Leaks that I have found on this system:
> 
> Porous heater or radiator hoses that only weep under pressure.
> 
> Failed radiator cap.
> 
> Cracked plastic coolant tank, either around the filler neck or down the seam.
> 
> Bad water pump only leaking when hot and under pressure -- this one can be 
> hard to find.
> 
> Failed auxillary pump that only leaks when running -- look for coolant traces 
> below the pump or coolant in the rubber holder.
> 
> Failed head gasket leaking out the side.  Failed head gasket leaking into the 
> coolant passages, blowing coolant out the overlfow (check for pressurized 
> hoses when cold).
> 
> Cracked head, same symptoms as the head gasket.
> 
> Pressure test the system, that should at least eliminate some of the common 
> possibilities.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

I just want drones under air traffic control, and kept out of my way. A
prop strike is an expensive inspection, even if there's no repair required.
Much more expensive is a repair or replacement is required. A new prop for
my C182 is now $7500 plus taxes . . .


-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

2015-03-16 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes


Leaks that I have found on this system:

Porous heater or radiator hoses that only weep under pressure.

Failed radiator cap.

Cracked plastic coolant tank, either around the filler neck or down  
the seam.


Bad water pump only leaking when hot and under pressure -- this one  
can be hard to find.


Failed auxillary pump that only leaks when running -- look for coolant  
traces below the pump or coolant in the rubber holder.


Failed head gasket leaking out the side.  Failed head gasket leaking  
into the coolant passages, blowing coolant out the overlfow (check for  
pressurized hoses when cold).


Cracked head, same symptoms as the head gasket.

Pressure test the system, that should at least eliminate some of the  
common possibilities.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] SEL 'stank'

2015-03-16 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

For KE-Jet that suddenly won't start hot, check the coolant temp  
sensor (two wire one) and verify that the solder is not cracked in the  
plug.


This disabled the TE intemittently for some time until I figured it  
out.  Acts like it's flooded, as it is since with the infinite  
resistance due to an open circuit it is adding fuel for a -100F start!


Just pulling the plug and putting it back on can help as it will  
restore the connection.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

Steve Segall and Bruce Willis.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 I want Wilton and Jon on my team. Andrew,  pick two for your team. ..
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD

 > '95 E300
 >

2 real military pilots vs 2 would be actors...  My money is on Max's team!

Isn't that supposed to be seagull?  Is he related to Jonathan Livingston?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

You of course have the right to operated the drone but if it begins to infringe 
on my rights I have an equal right to react. Since I'm a nice person I'd start 
by asking you to stop, if you failed to stop you'd stop having a drone.
Same thing as when you tailgate me. You have the right to tailgate but I have 
the right to drive really slow...
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: G Mann  
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
   
My right to own and operate a drone vs. your right to privacy?



On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> Again, I invite you to read and understand the 10th Amendment of Bill of
> Rights.
>
> A Right can not be taken, it can only be surrendered.
>
> You may have surrendered yours.. I have not.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Under what law?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly
>> > your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down...
>> > -Curt
>> >
>> >
>> >      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> >  To: G Mann 
>> > Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> >  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM
>> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
>>
>> >
>> > So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7
>> > aerial surveillance of your property?  Or buzzing around outside your
>> b/r
>> > window?  And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you
>> knock
>> > this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yes.
>> > >
>> > > Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on
>> you, it
>> > > is only equally fair we citizens would do the same.
>> > >
>> > > Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government
>> > > agency with unlimited power and an armed drone?
>> > >
>> > > A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
>> > >> citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including
>> spying
>> > on
>> > >> you or anyone else?
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Dan Penoff wrote:
>> > >> > > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
>> > >> > > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble
>> with
>> > >> the
>> > >> > FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand,
>> > >> which, I
>> > >> > believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
>> > >> > government employee yourself.
>> > >> > > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
>> > >> > > Dan
>> > >> > ..
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle
>> might
>> > >> just
>> > >> > be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real
>> reasons
>> > >> which
>> > >> > could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry
>> > >> enough
>> > >> > explosives to do serious damage according to one article.
>> > >> > Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with
>> > >> > several states enacting laws regulating them.
>> > >> > The government is running tests around the White House and DC
>> trying
>> > to
>> > >> > find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the
>> > >> following:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws
>> > ≻=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1
>> > >> >
>> > >> > or search: "drone laws florida"
>> > >> >
>> > >> > If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his
>> drone
>> > >> up
>> > >> > north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large
>> nudist
>> > >> camp,
>> > >> > or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and
>> other
>> > >> rich
>> > >> > folks around their enclaves.
>> > >> > Gerry
>> > >> > P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in
>> Tallahassee
>> > was
>> > >> > much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he
>> > sends
>> > >> you
>> > >> > his thanks.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

Steve Segall and Bruce Willis.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> I want Wilton and Jon on my team. Andrew,  pick two for your team. ..
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>
> On March 16, 2015 12:55:32 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Instead of "Robot Wars" > "Drone Wars"!
> >
> >I'll watch.
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> War games - from video to reality!
> >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

2015-03-16 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

I want Wilton and Jon on my team. Andrew,  pick two for your team. ..
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On March 16, 2015 12:55:32 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Instead of "Robot Wars" > "Drone Wars"!
>
>I'll watch.
>
>Dan
>
>
>> On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> War games - from video to reality!
>> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

Instead of "Robot Wars" > "Drone Wars"!

I'll watch.

Dan


> On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> War games - from video to reality!
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

War games - from video to reality!

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Especially if the drone is fitted with a firearm or a flame thrower...
>
> Read an article about someone putting a flame thrower (hairspray can with
> an igniter) on a drone, THAT would be fun. Use it to bring down those
> drones trying to spy on me. ..
>
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> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
>
> On March 16, 2015 12:05:20 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
> >citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying
> >on
> >you or anyone else?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

2015-03-16 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

Your head is cracked. Send it to me and I'll fix it after Curt's! Hahahaha
I'm such a good friend!

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> On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am thinking there is a hairline crack in the filler tank neck but not
> clear if that would allow so much coolant to escape
> 
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:13:18 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Oil is normal level.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Probably a good time to check the oil...
>> 
>> Having it checked for the presence of coolant or exhaust would be an easy
>> way to get some piece of mind.
>> 
>> Before our '82 240D was converted to a 240D/3.0, it had problems with
>> coolant level dropping. It turned out to be a pinhole in the side of the
>> radiator that leaked slowly when it was hot. Leaking only when hot, so
>> the leakage evaporated, and being on the side, where one could not see
>> it, both contributed to the difficulty of finding the problem. It finally
>> went away when I changed the radiator to a 300D radiator.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

2015-03-16 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Especially if the drone is fitted with a firearm or a flame thrower...

Read an article about someone putting a flame thrower (hairspray can with an 
igniter) on a drone, THAT would be fun. Use it to bring down those drones 
trying to spy on me. ..

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On March 16, 2015 12:05:20 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
>citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying
>on
>you or anyone else?
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

My right to own and operate a drone vs. your right to privacy?

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> Again, I invite you to read and understand the 10th Amendment of Bill of
> Rights.
>
> A Right can not be taken, it can only be surrendered.
>
> You may have surrendered yours.. I have not.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Under what law?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly
>> > your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down...
>> > -Curt
>> >
>> >
>> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> >  To: G Mann 
>> > Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> >  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM
>> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
>>
>> >
>> > So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7
>> > aerial surveillance of your property?  Or buzzing around outside your
>> b/r
>> > window?  And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you
>> knock
>> > this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yes.
>> > >
>> > > Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on
>> you, it
>> > > is only equally fair we citizens would do the same.
>> > >
>> > > Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government
>> > > agency with unlimited power and an armed drone?
>> > >
>> > > A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
>> > >> citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including
>> spying
>> > on
>> > >> you or anyone else?
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Dan Penoff wrote:
>> > >> > > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
>> > >> > > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble
>> with
>> > >> the
>> > >> > FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand,
>> > >> which, I
>> > >> > believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
>> > >> > government employee yourself.
>> > >> > > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
>> > >> > > Dan
>> > >> > ..
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle
>> might
>> > >> just
>> > >> > be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real
>> reasons
>> > >> which
>> > >> > could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry
>> > >> enough
>> > >> > explosives to do serious damage according to one article.
>> > >> > Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with
>> > >> > several states enacting laws regulating them.
>> > >> > The government is running tests around the White House and DC
>> trying
>> > to
>> > >> > find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the
>> > >> following:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws
>> > ≻=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1
>> > >> >
>> > >> > or search: "drone laws florida"
>> > >> >
>> > >> > If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his
>> drone
>> > >> up
>> > >> > north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large
>> nudist
>> > >> camp,
>> > >> > or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and
>> other
>> > >> rich
>> > >> > folks around their enclaves.
>> > >> > Gerry
>> > >> > P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in
>> Tallahassee
>> > was
>> > >> > much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he
>> > sends
>> > >> you
>> > >> > his thanks.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

Again, I invite you to read and understand the 10th Amendment of Bill of
Rights.

A Right can not be taken, it can only be surrendered.

You may have surrendered yours.. I have not.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Under what law?
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly
> > your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  To: G Mann 
> > Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
> >
> > So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7
> > aerial surveillance of your property?  Or buzzing around outside your b/r
> > window?  And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock
> > this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann  wrote:
> >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you,
> it
> > > is only equally fair we citizens would do the same.
> > >
> > > Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government
> > > agency with unlimited power and an armed drone?
> > >
> > > A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
> > >> citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including
> spying
> > on
> > >> you or anyone else?
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Dan Penoff wrote:
> > >> > > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
> > >> > > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble
> with
> > >> the
> > >> > FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
> > >> > >
> > >> > > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand,
> > >> which, I
> > >> > believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
> > >> > government employee yourself.
> > >> > > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
> > >> > > Dan
> > >> > ..
> > >> >
> > >> > Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle
> might
> > >> just
> > >> > be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons
> > >> which
> > >> > could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry
> > >> enough
> > >> > explosives to do serious damage according to one article.
> > >> > Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with
> > >> > several states enacting laws regulating them.
> > >> > The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying
> > to
> > >> > find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the
> > >> following:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws
> > ≻=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1
> > >> >
> > >> > or search: "drone laws florida"
> > >> >
> > >> > If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his
> drone
> > >> up
> > >> > north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist
> > >> camp,
> > >> > or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and
> other
> > >> rich
> > >> > folks around their enclaves.
> > >> > Gerry
> > >> > P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee
> > was
> > >> > much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he
> > sends
> > >> you
> > >> > his thanks.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

I am thinking there is a hairline crack in the filler tank neck but not
clear if that would allow so much coolant to escape

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:13:18 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Oil is normal level.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Probably a good time to check the oil...
>
> Having it checked for the presence of coolant or exhaust would be an easy
> way to get some piece of mind.
>
> Before our '82 240D was converted to a 240D/3.0, it had problems with
> coolant level dropping. It turned out to be a pinhole in the side of the
> radiator that leaked slowly when it was hot. Leaking only when hot, so
> the leakage evaporated, and being on the side, where one could not see
> it, both contributed to the difficulty of finding the problem. It finally
> went away when I changed the radiator to a 300D radiator.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

Under what law?

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly
> your drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down...
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: G Mann 
> Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
>
> So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7
> aerial surveillance of your property?  Or buzzing around outside your b/r
> window?  And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock
> this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> >
> > Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it
> > is only equally fair we citizens would do the same.
> >
> > Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government
> > agency with unlimited power and an armed drone?
> >
> > A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
> >> citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying
> on
> >> you or anyone else?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Dan Penoff wrote:
> >> > > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
> >> > > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with
> >> the
> >> > FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
> >> > >
> >> > > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand,
> >> which, I
> >> > believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
> >> > government employee yourself.
> >> > > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
> >> > > Dan
> >> > ..
> >> >
> >> > Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might
> >> just
> >> > be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons
> >> which
> >> > could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry
> >> enough
> >> > explosives to do serious damage according to one article.
> >> > Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with
> >> > several states enacting laws regulating them.
> >> > The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying
> to
> >> > find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the
> >> following:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws
> ≻=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1
> >> >
> >> > or search: "drone laws florida"
> >> >
> >> > If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his drone
> >> up
> >> > north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist
> >> camp,
> >> > or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other
> >> rich
> >> > folks around their enclaves.
> >> > Gerry
> >> > P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee
> was
> >> > much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he
> sends
> >> you
> >> > his thanks.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ___
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:13:18 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Oil is normal level.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Probably a good time to check the oil...

Having it checked for the presence of coolant or exhaust would be an easy
way to get some piece of mind.

Before our '82 240D was converted to a 240D/3.0, it had problems with
coolant level dropping. It turned out to be a pinhole in the side of the
radiator that leaked slowly when it was hot. Leaking only when hot, so
the leakage evaporated, and being on the side, where one could not see
it, both contributed to the difficulty of finding the problem. It finally
went away when I changed the radiator to a 300D radiator.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

Not property rights fool, PERSONAL rights and responsibilities. You fly your 
drone over my house and I have the right to knock it down...
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: G Mann  
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
   
So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7
aerial surveillance of your property?  Or buzzing around outside your b/r
window?  And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock
this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it.



On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> Yes.
>
> Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it
> is only equally fair we citizens would do the same.
>
> Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government
> agency with unlimited power and an armed drone?
>
> A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
>> citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on
>> you or anyone else?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Dan Penoff wrote:
>> > > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
>> > > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with
>> the
>> > FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
>> > >
>> > > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand,
>> which, I
>> > believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
>> > government employee yourself.
>> > > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
>> > > Dan
>> > ..
>> >
>> > Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might
>> just
>> > be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons
>> which
>> > could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry
>> enough
>> > explosives to do serious damage according to one article.
>> > Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with
>> > several states enacting laws regulating them.
>> > The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to
>> > find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the
>> following:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws≻=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1
>> >
>> > or search: "drone laws florida"
>> >
>> > If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his drone
>> up
>> > north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist
>> camp,
>> > or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other
>> rich
>> > folks around their enclaves.
>> > Gerry
>> > P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was
>> > much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends
>> you
>> > his thanks.
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

So you have no problem with a civilian (non-gov't.) overflight or 24/7
aerial surveillance of your property?  Or buzzing around outside your b/r
window?  And since you believe in Property Rights Uber Alles if you knock
this thing out of the sky you will have to pay for it.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> Yes.
>
> Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it
> is only equally fair we citizens would do the same.
>
> Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government
> agency with unlimited power and an armed drone?
>
> A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
>> citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on
>> you or anyone else?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Dan Penoff wrote:
>> > > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
>> > > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with
>> the
>> > FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
>> > >
>> > > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand,
>> which, I
>> > believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
>> > government employee yourself.
>> > > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
>> > > Dan
>> > ..
>> >
>> > Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might
>> just
>> > be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons
>> which
>> > could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry
>> enough
>> > explosives to do serious damage according to one article.
>> > Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with
>> > several states enacting laws regulating them.
>> > The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to
>> > find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the
>> following:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws&sc=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1
>> >
>> > or search: "drone laws florida"
>> >
>> > If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his drone
>> up
>> > north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist
>> camp,
>> > or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other
>> rich
>> > folks around their enclaves.
>> > Gerry
>> > P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was
>> > much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends
>> you
>> > his thanks.
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

Adversity shows a friend's true colors.  Dimitri is a saint!

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:15 PM,  wrote:

> Your car needs a new engine. I'll take it off your hands for free;)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > As you all know, my 1983 300TD had a heating issue couipled with low
> > coolant levels.  When I replenished the coolant the heating system
> resumed
> > mnormal operations.
> >
> > This weekend, I checked the aux. filler tank and it was shockingly low
> > again.  There is no puddle under the car, so the loss of coolant is
> > associated with vehicle operation.  WTF?!  There is a slight wetness at
> the
> > tank filler neck, and the exhaust appears normal (although I am not one
> to
> > look for trouble).
> >
> > I swapped out the radiator cap for a new one I had lying around.  If that
> > doesn't work I have a new tank I could install as well.   Ideas on how to
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

Yes.

Government does not ask permission before flying drones to spy on you, it
is only equally fair we citizens would do the same.

Who would you rather be stalked by, an ex girlfriend or a government agency
with unlimited power and an armed drone?

A quick read of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights is suggested.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
> citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on
> you or anyone else?
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Dan Penoff wrote:
> > > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
> > > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the
> > FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
> > >
> >
> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
> > >
> > > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which,
> I
> > believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
> > government employee yourself.
> > > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
> > > Dan
> > ..
> >
> > Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might
> just
> > be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons
> which
> > could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough
> > explosives to do serious damage according to one article.
> > Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with
> > several states enacting laws regulating them.
> > The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to
> > find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the
> following:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws&sc=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1
> >
> > or search: "drone laws florida"
> >
> > If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his drone up
> > north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist
> camp,
> > or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other
> rich
> > folks around their enclaves.
> > Gerry
> > P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was
> > much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends
> you
> > his thanks.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

2015-03-16 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

Your car needs a new engine. I'll take it off your hands for free;)

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> On Mar 16, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As you all know, my 1983 300TD had a heating issue couipled with low
> coolant levels.  When I replenished the coolant the heating system resumed
> mnormal operations.
> 
> This weekend, I checked the aux. filler tank and it was shockingly low
> again.  There is no puddle under the car, so the loss of coolant is
> associated with vehicle operation.  WTF?!  There is a slight wetness at the
> tank filler neck, and the exhaust appears normal (although I am not one to
> look for trouble).
> 
> I swapped out the radiator cap for a new one I had lying around.  If that
> doesn't work I have a new tank I could install as well.   Ideas on how to
> trouble shoot this nagging issue if the problem persists?
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

Oil is normal level.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Probably a good time to check the oil...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:26 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD
>
> As you all know, my 1983 300TD had a heating issue couipled with low
> coolant levels.  When I replenished the coolant the heating system resumed
> mnormal operations.
>
> This weekend, I checked the aux. filler tank and it was shockingly low
> again.  There is no puddle under the car, so the loss of coolant is
> associated with vehicle operation.  WTF?!  There is a slight wetness at the
> tank filler neck, and the exhaust appears normal (although I am not one to
> look for trouble).
>
> I swapped out the radiator cap for a new one I had lying around.  If that
> doesn't work I have a new tank I could install as well.  Ideas on how to
> trouble shoot this nagging issue if the problem persists?
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

Probably a good time to check the oil...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:26 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

As you all know, my 1983 300TD had a heating issue couipled with low
coolant levels.  When I replenished the coolant the heating system resumed
mnormal operations.

This weekend, I checked the aux. filler tank and it was shockingly low
again.  There is no puddle under the car, so the loss of coolant is
associated with vehicle operation.  WTF?!  There is a slight wetness at the
tank filler neck, and the exhaust appears normal (although I am not one to
look for trouble).

I swapped out the radiator cap for a new one I had lying around.  If that
doesn't work I have a new tank I could install as well.  Ideas on how to
trouble shoot this nagging issue if the problem persists?
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Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres Car Hauler

I was thinking more like $5K

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's actually not a bad price
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Mar 16, 2015, at 7:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jump on this, Kaleb:
> >
> >
> http://bringatrailer.com/2015/03/15/cool-hauler-1976-mercedes-1116-rollback/
> >
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Re: [MBZ] New tires link?

For that money you can get EIGHT GOFORMS.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Mike Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Cooper CS3 Touring 195 /60 R15 88T SL BSW Discount Tire Direct  - 280.00
> delivered.  with $40.00 rebate $240.00
> Tires - Easy  - 294.02 delivered no rebate
>
> Michael E. Esh
> me...@horizonenv.com
> michael...@mac.com
> http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123
> (C) 231.286.2344
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Mike Esh via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>  Thanks Andrew,
>> thats the one I was looking for.
>>
>> Kaleb,
>> I did find some Cooper CS3 Touring 195 /60 R15 88T SL BSW for $60.00
>> including shipping! With 40.00 mail in rebate.
>> They might be the ones I order for my son's 2002 Honda Civic.
>>
>> Michael E. Esh
>> me...@horizonenv.com
>> michael...@mac.com
>> http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123
>> (C) 231.286.2344
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  www.tires-easy.com for those AMAZING Goform tires that GRIP the road and
>>> give you a SMOOTH relaxing riade through ALL TYPES of weather.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I buy most of my tires from discounttiredirect.com


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 >
 >
 > Can someone send me the name of the tire company that whas reccomended
 by a list member a couple of months ago? It was for inexpensive tires
 ordered online.
 > Thanks,
 > Mike
 >
 > Michael E. Esh
 >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

So are you guys saying there should be no controls on private
citizens flying drones anywhere, anytime they please - including spying on
you or anyone else?

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Dan Penoff wrote:
> > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
> > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the
> FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
> >
> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
> >
> > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I
> believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
> government employee yourself.
> > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
> > Dan
> ..
>
> Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just
> be an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which
> could relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough
> explosives to do serious damage according to one article.
> Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with
> several states enacting laws regulating them.
> The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to
> find ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following:
>
>
> http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws&sc=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1
>
> or search: "drone laws florida"
>
> If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his drone up
> north of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp,
> or down to Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich
> folks around their enclaves.
> Gerry
> P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was
> much appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you
> his thanks.
>
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Re: [MBZ] New tires link?

2015-03-16 Thread Mike Esh via Mercedes

Cooper CS3 Touring 195 /60 R15 88T SL BSW 
Discount Tire Direct  - 280.00 delivered.  with $40.00 rebate $240.00

Tires - Easy  - 294.02 delivered no rebate

Michael E. Esh
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On Mar 16, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Mike Esh via Mercedes  
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Thanks Andrew,
thats the one I was looking for.

Kaleb,
I did find some Cooper CS3 Touring 195 /60 R15 88T SL BSW for $60.00 including 
shipping! With 40.00 mail in rebate.
They might be the ones I order for my son's 2002 Honda Civic.

Michael E. Esh
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www.tires-easy.com for those AMAZING Goform tires that GRIP the road and
give you a SMOOTH relaxing riade through ALL TYPES of weather.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I buy most of my tires from discounttiredirect.com
 



Sent from my iPhone

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> Can someone send me the name of the tire company that whas reccomended
by a list member a couple of months ago? It was for inexpensive tires
ordered online.
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] New tires link?

2015-03-16 Thread Mike Esh via Mercedes


Thanks Andrew,
thats the one I was looking for.

Kaleb,
I did find some Cooper CS3 Touring 195 /60 R15 88T SL BSW for $60.00 including 
shipping! With 40.00 mail in rebate.
They might be the ones I order for my son's 2002 Honda Civic.

Michael E. Esh
me...@horizonenv.com
michael...@mac.com
http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123
(C) 231.286.2344


On Mar 16, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:


www.tires-easy.com for those AMAZING Goform tires that GRIP the road and
give you a SMOOTH relaxing riade through ALL TYPES of weather.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I buy most of my tires from discounttiredirect.com
 


Sent from my iPhone

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> Can someone send me the name of the tire company that whas reccomended
by a list member a couple of months ago? It was for inexpensive tires
ordered online.
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Michael E. Esh
>
> michael...@mac.com
 
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[MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

As you all know, my 1983 300TD had a heating issue couipled with low
coolant levels.  When I replenished the coolant the heating system resumed
mnormal operations.

This weekend, I checked the aux. filler tank and it was shockingly low
again.  There is no puddle under the car, so the loss of coolant is
associated with vehicle operation.  WTF?!  There is a slight wetness at the
tank filler neck, and the exhaust appears normal (although I am not one to
look for trouble).

I swapped out the radiator cap for a new one I had lying around.  If that
doesn't work I have a new tank I could install as well.   Ideas on how to
trouble shoot this nagging issue if the problem persists?
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Re: [MBZ] New tires link?

www.tires-easy.com for those AMAZING Goform tires that GRIP the road and
give you a SMOOTH relaxing riade through ALL TYPES of weather.

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> I buy most of my tires from discounttiredirect.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can someone send me the name of the tire company that whas reccomended
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> ordered online.
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres Car Hauler

That's actually not a bad price

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> Jump on this, Kaleb:
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/2015/03/15/cool-hauler-1976-mercedes-1116-rollback/
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Re: [MBZ] SEL 'stank'


What is an EHA valve, and what is it supposed to do?


It's expensive.  :-) $270 for mine.  But it fixed the gas
leak, and between it and adjusting the air plate the car
is running better.

Except when it isn't.  Yesterday it wouldn't start to take
us back home from the restaurant.  Somebody stopped to help,
we poked at the engine for awhile.  He had a screwdriver, and
so we could see we had spark.  Fuel pump was running, could
hear it.  Air metering flap was definitely springy, so there
was fuel pressure.  Once in awhile the car would cough, but
that was it.

Eventually it started and ran for a couple of seconds, then
died out.  It kept that up for awhile, then finally ran and
took us home.

This intermittent crap is very annoying.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

2015-03-16 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Dan Penoff wrote:
> Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
> That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA 
> for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
> 
> As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I 
> believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a government 
> employee yourself.
> Should be interesting to see how this pans out
> Dan
..

Sounds like someone complained to the FAA. The commercial angle might just be 
an excuse to try and stop him without mentioning the real reasons which could 
relate to security of various sorts. A large drone can carry enough explosives 
to do serious damage according to one article. 
Seems to be lots of government concern about drones in general with several 
states enacting laws regulating them. 
The government is running tests around the White House and DC trying to find 
ways to disrupt their communication and Florida is doing the following:

http://www.bing.com/search?q=drone+laws+florida&qs=AS&sk=AS4&pq=drone+laws&sc=8-10&sp=5&cvid=c5c3a53824b74e74aa438983b6c5a6cf&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1

or search: "drone laws florida"

If he really wanted to test his "drone rights" he could take his drone up north 
of Tampa a few miles and take pictures around the large nudist camp, or down to 
Boca Grande and take pictures of the Rockefellers and other rich folks around 
their enclaves. 
Gerry
P.S. The info on his drone that I passed on to friend in Tallahassee was much 
appreciated. He is now flying a drone around the area and he sends you his 
thanks.

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Re: [MBZ] This might be a potential car for poos or Craig

Where is this?  CTO = ??

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 21:15:12 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > It's a 210, I would think the lights are stock but can't really tell
> > for sure from the photos, the hid lights did come out on those cars.
> > According to fueleconomy it gets 18 combined, same as a 124 e420, and
> > 20 for the e320
>
> I was getting 25 - 26 in our E320 and, IIRC, 20 - 22 in our E420 (which
> you now have :-) ).
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Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres Car Hauler

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:26:30 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Jump on this, Kaleb:
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/2015/03/15/cool-hauler-1976-mercedes-1116-rollback/



Or if he wants to have a pickup to haul a trailer and also have someplace
to stay while stopped, he could get this:

http://bringatrailer.com/2011/02/12/bat-exclusive-1951-royal-spartanette-converted-hauler/


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] New Car for Shirley?

What is the expected fuel economy for this car?

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> The spring perch deal is not the end of the world like some make it out to
> be. If you catch it early just have some welds put in. If it does break
> just have a new one welded in. I have seen plenty of 124,s with the problem
> also.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 15, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> On March 15, 2015 at 5:01 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 16:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/4931211083.html
> >>
> >> Shirley said it's pretty.
> >>
> >> What chassis would it be?
> >>
> >> How would it compare in size and other aspects to W123s and W124s?
> >
> > W210. Replaced the 124 in 1996, replaced by the 211 in 2003.
> > Not quite as rust prone as a W123, but rusty W123s don't participate in
> Spring
> > Perch Season. (whereby a RWD 210's upper spring perch rusts loose from
> the body,
> > dropping one front corner of the car like a kneeling camel. 4matics have
> coil
> > over strut suspension and no spring perches, too bad there never was a
> 4matic
> > diesel)
> > Other than the rust potential, 98-99 e300d is a very nice car.
> > Intercooled version of the OM606, which is a 603 block with a 24v head
> on it.
> >
> > This one potentially has been kept clean and salt free. He says it's
> blue, in
> > which case it's the same very dark blue as my 99 wagon. Looks black to
> me in the
> > pics.
> >
> > My e320 4matic wagon weighs about 4100lb. I think a RWD sedan weighs a
> bit more
> > than a comparable W124.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

2015-03-16 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

It is time we ban all isms from our society!

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Mar 16, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

I think you actually mean "initialism" rather than acronym but then I looked up 
the definition http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acronymI find it 
interesting that definition 2 is initialism...
-CurtMinored in english...
 From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

Dan wrote:
> pissing off the government is >never a good idea in my book.  >They tend to 
> make your life >miserable for a long, long time, >regardless of the outcome.


We are from (insert three letter acronym here) and we're not happy, until 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

I think you actually mean "initialism" rather than acronym but then I looked up 
the definition http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acronymI find it 
interesting that definition 2 is initialism...
-CurtMinored in english...
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 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
   
Dan wrote:
>pissing off the government is >never a good idea in my book.  >They tend to 
>make your life >miserable for a long, long time, >regardless of the outcome.


We are from (insert three letter acronym here) and we're not happy, until 
you're not happy. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

HA  great minds DO think alike ;))

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> Dan wrote:
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> to make your life >miserable for a long, long time, >regardless of the
> outcome.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

2015-03-16 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Dan wrote:
>pissing off the government is >never a good idea in my book.  >They tend to 
>make your life >miserable for a long, long time, >regardless of the outcome.


We are from (insert three letter acronym here) and we're not happy, until 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

Ah "The rest of the story" ... That makes sense.

"We are from the FAA and we are not happy until you are not happy"

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I can only assume that someone ratted the guy out.  I'll say that from my
> distant observations (I don't work directly with him, but I know people who
> do) that the guy has a reputation for being a dick.  This, no doubt, was
> probably the motivation for someone ratting on him.
>
> That being said, it's probably prudent just to stand down and leave it at
> that rather than poking the bear.  While I have no doubt there are plenty
> of ACLU and other lawyers who would take this on, pissing off the
> government is never a good idea in my book.  They tend to make your life
> miserable for a long, long time, regardless of the outcome.
>
> I think he said something in one of the many local TV interviews to the
> effect that he wasn't doing anything wrong, and would continue to run his
> drone and post videos until they came after him.
>
> That's not smart if you ask me, but knowing what I do about him, I'm not
> surprised.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Mar 16, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the FAA is looking to "make an example" of somebody in a new
> area but it sounds like an equally dumb way of doing it.
> > I predict its going to go to trial and the guy is going to have no
> shortage of free lawyers who will make the FAA look like bumbling idiots.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes List 
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:30 AM
> > Subject: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
> >
> > Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
> >
> > That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the
> FAA for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
> >
> >
> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
> <
> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
> >
> >
> > As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I
> believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a
> government employee yourself.
> >
> > Should be interesting to see how this pans out
> >
> > Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble

I can only assume that someone ratted the guy out.  I'll say that from my 
distant observations (I don't work directly with him, but I know people who do) 
that the guy has a reputation for being a dick.  This, no doubt, was probably 
the motivation for someone ratting on him.

That being said, it's probably prudent just to stand down and leave it at that 
rather than poking the bear.  While I have no doubt there are plenty of ACLU 
and other lawyers who would take this on, pissing off the government is never a 
good idea in my book.  They tend to make your life miserable for a long, long 
time, regardless of the outcome.

I think he said something in one of the many local TV interviews to the effect 
that he wasn't doing anything wrong, and would continue to run his drone and 
post videos until they came after him.

That's not smart if you ask me, but knowing what I do about him, I'm not 
surprised.

Dan

> On Mar 16, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like the FAA is looking to "make an example" of somebody in a new area 
> but it sounds like an equally dumb way of doing it.
> I predict its going to go to trial and the guy is going to have no shortage 
> of free lawyers who will make the FAA look like bumbling idiots.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes List  
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:30 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - My Drone Buddy Gets into Trouble
> 
> Remember that drone footage I posted a link to a few months back?
> 
> That's a guy that works in our building, who is now in trouble with the FAA 
> for flying his drone for "commercial purposes."
> 
> http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/28417965/faa-to-tampa-man-dont-put-drone-video-on-youtube
>  
> 
> 
> As I understand it he's pretty much told the FAA to pound sand, which, I 
> believe, is a pretty dumb thing to do.  Even more so when you're a government 
> employee yourself.
> 
> Should be interesting to see how this pans out
> 
> Dan
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