Re: [MBZ] It is done

2015-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Well we need to plan one I guess, and that is the world famous Okieq. We have 
had several but not in about 8-10 years.

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> Congrats!  When is the Kaleb-Q?
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Re: [MBZ] That '98 300D...

2015-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It would be jumping all over it at $1500 but would try for $1k and settle at 
$1200 if possible.

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> On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sayeth the man who pays $500 always.  So you think I should go as high as
> $1200?
> 
> Bob R
> On Sep 28, 2015 6:01 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> You probably need to show up with about $1200
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> About a month or two ago I was looking at a '99 300D that has been
>> sitting
>>> about 2.5 years. 273K miles, wasn't running because of a fuel leak at the
>>> injector pump.
>>> So I went and looked at it more closely today. I didn't see any leaks on
>>> the engine at all except a leak on the power steering pump low pressure
>>> hose. The interior looks excellent with the exception of one small rip in
>>> the MB tex on the driver's seat bolster. I called the VIN number into my
>>> Indy and he ran it. Turns out it's been serviced by a dealer nearly all
>> of
>>> its life.
>>> Like I mentioned before, the guy says he wants 1500 for it. He also said
>>> he's not going to charge it and let me try to start it. Dick. So, I think
>>> I'm going to show up with a new battery and $700 tomorrow and see what he
>>> says.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It is done

2015-09-28 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Congrats!  When is the Kaleb-Q?
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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

2015-09-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


Not sure about vacuum to the transmission modulator, or if the W116 
even had it, or only the cable/rod for getting throttle position 
input.


Doesn't the 123 use a bowden cable and the 116 a rod?

Mitch.



All that can be unbolted from one engine and put on the other. 
However if the engine and trans are moved as a unit, whichever system 
in in the donor goes together.


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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

2015-09-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Guys,
The engines in both cars are fine. The tranny in the 116 is flacky. 
The tranny in the 123 is a rebuilt with less than 100K on it. Since 
a new/rebuilt tranny for the 116 would be more than the 123 is 
probably worth, I thought it might be worth considering having my 
Indy use the 123 as a donor for the 116. The 300SD is a much better 
shape car than the 123 and a smoother ride, so it might make sense 
to do that.or not. I'm just pondering and seeking 
advice/opinions.
I still haven't found an answer for the 116 tranny problem. I bought 
the tranny used and my Indie installed it. If you let it shift easy 
(slow acceleration), it will shift fine or first shift when cold. If 
you give it medium acceleration, it wants to slip when it changes 
gears. If you accelerate hard and quickly let off at about 35 mph, 
it will jump right into 4th and runs fine. Once in 4th/drive it 
accelerates fine, except, of course, the kick down doesn't work, 
because it wants to slip. My Indie says he's checked the 
vac/modulator/linkage/etc. and all are supposedly fine. Anyone else 
have any thoughts. The kick down wasn't working correctly before and 
my Indie hooked it back up when he put in the tranny. Since the 
diesel doesn't really need 3rd gear, it would be nice to be able to 
just bypass it, but I don't know of any way to do that.

Thanks for any suggestions, thoughts, etc.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] That '98 300D...

2015-09-28 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Sayeth the man who pays $500 always.  So you think I should go as high as
$1200?

Bob R
On Sep 28, 2015 6:01 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You probably need to show up with about $1200
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > About a month or two ago I was looking at a '99 300D that has been
> sitting
> > about 2.5 years. 273K miles, wasn't running because of a fuel leak at the
> > injector pump.
> > So I went and looked at it more closely today. I didn't see any leaks on
> > the engine at all except a leak on the power steering pump low pressure
> > hose. The interior looks excellent with the exception of one small rip in
> > the MB tex on the driver's seat bolster. I called the VIN number into my
> > Indy and he ran it. Turns out it's been serviced by a dealer nearly all
> of
> > its life.
> > Like I mentioned before, the guy says he wants 1500 for it. He also said
> > he's not going to charge it and let me try to start it. Dick. So, I think
> > I'm going to show up with a new battery and $700 tomorrow and see what he
> > says.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] That '98 300D...

2015-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
You probably need to show up with about $1200

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> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> About a month or two ago I was looking at a '99 300D that has been sitting
> about 2.5 years. 273K miles, wasn't running because of a fuel leak at the
> injector pump.
> So I went and looked at it more closely today. I didn't see any leaks on
> the engine at all except a leak on the power steering pump low pressure
> hose. The interior looks excellent with the exception of one small rip in
> the MB tex on the driver's seat bolster. I called the VIN number into my
> Indy and he ran it. Turns out it's been serviced by a dealer nearly all of
> its life.
> Like I mentioned before, the guy says he wants 1500 for it. He also said
> he's not going to charge it and let me try to start it. Dick. So, I think
> I'm going to show up with a new battery and $700 tomorrow and see what he
> says.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Trial by fire for the Golf

2015-09-28 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Brake drag will definitely lower milage in your Golf -- I've picked up  
about 2 mpg since the rear brakes quit dragging and the pedal regained  
it's normal feel.  I'm sure the issue was related to being parked for  
six months or so over the winter, but drag is drag.


I'll be having the tires rotated and balanced and check out the "thump  
thump thump" I'm getting from the front, looks as though one of the  
wheels has damage.  If so, I'll be finding a set of 15" wheels when  
the tires wear out, I'm NOT fond of the 18" wheels and rock hard tires  
it has on it.  Steering is great, the ride stinks.


Minor things drop the milage on these cars quite a bit -- there is a  
couple mpg in a minor alignment issue, the low profile tires can cost  
you a couple mpg in rolling resistance, and minor brake dragging issue  
clobber the milage.


I was just shy of 700 miles on the last tank of fuel, would have tried  
for 700 but don't really want the car sitting in rain with an empty  
tank and dropping temps, way too much condesation.


Peter

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[MBZ] That '98 300D...

2015-09-28 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
About a month or two ago I was looking at a '99 300D that has been sitting
about 2.5 years. 273K miles, wasn't running because of a fuel leak at the
injector pump.
So I went and looked at it more closely today. I didn't see any leaks on
the engine at all except a leak on the power steering pump low pressure
hose. The interior looks excellent with the exception of one small rip in
the MB tex on the driver's seat bolster. I called the VIN number into my
Indy and he ran it. Turns out it's been serviced by a dealer nearly all of
its life.
Like I mentioned before, the guy says he wants 1500 for it. He also said
he's not going to charge it and let me try to start it. Dick. So, I think
I'm going to show up with a new battery and $700 tomorrow and see what he
says.

Bob R
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[MBZ] It is done

2015-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
After almost a year I moved the last load from old ok I acres. It consists of a 
car trailer load of various chassis of back seats, mainly 116, 123, and 126. 
One think I discovered from the number of the older pattern 115 and 123 seats I 
have crushed tons of those cars over the years. Wow. Now to start getting the 
new shop in order.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Trial by fire for the Golf

2015-09-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

fmiser via Mercedes wrote:


Remember, a 5% loss at 40 MPG is 2 MPG, while the same 5%
loss at 10 MPG is 0.5 MPG


Another way of looking at it: In a car that uses 10hp at 60mph and
gets 40 mpg, .5hp of drag from brakes or alignment is 5% or 2mpg.
A truck that uses 40hp to cruise 60mph and gets 10mpg, .5hp of
additional drag is 1.2% or .08 mpg.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Martha, cloudy lenses

2015-09-28 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Absolutely  your credit card. I carried a MeGuires cleaning kit in trunk
for 2 years but never got around to using it.. Finally i just replaced them
with new on my 123 & my 124. About $250 total for both cars. They look like
new. I gave the  kit away @ the Q.
On Sep 28, 2015 5:23 PM, "Bob Rentfro via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> My credit card may be the best choice. Like Dan said, doing the treatment
> is just temporary and this last time it lasted less than a year. The lenses
> degrade quickly now that the poor old girl lost her spot in the garage to
> the '14 black on black on black Jetta.
>
> Bob R
> On Sep 28, 2015 11:52 AM, "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" <
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> wrote:
>
> > Your credit card
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 9/28/15 1:57 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> What is the best stuff out there for clearing up cloudy headlight
> lenses,
> >> Martha?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

2015-09-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


Not sure about vacuum to the transmission modulator, or if the W116 even had 
it, or only the cable/rod for getting throttle position input.


Doesn't the 123 use a bowden cable and the 116 a rod?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OOPS Re: should I?

2015-09-28 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Offer $300, let him know that your offer may be lower in the future if he 
doesn't accept with 72 hours.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 28, 2015 4:34:47 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Crackmethead.  Maybe $500 if there are some decent parts.
>
>--R
>
>
>$800.-
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rich Thomas
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>Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:28 PM
>To:ctcr5-5233417...@sale.craigslist.org
>Subject: Mercedes 300 SDT Diesel for sale for parts
>
>
>Do you still have this car?  What would be your thought on a fair
>price?
>
>--R
>
>http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5233417588.html
>
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[MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

2015-09-28 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
Guys, 
The engines in both cars are fine. The tranny in the 116 is flacky. The tranny 
in the 123 is a rebuilt with less than 100K on it. Since a new/rebuilt tranny 
for the 116 would be more than the 123 is probably worth, I thought it might be 
worth considering having my Indy use the 123 as a donor for the 116. The 300SD 
is a much better shape car than the 123 and a smoother ride, so it might make 
sense to do that.or not. I'm just pondering and seeking advice/opinions. 
I still haven't found an answer for the 116 tranny problem. I bought the tranny 
used and my Indie installed it. If you let it shift easy (slow acceleration), 
it will shift fine or first shift when cold. If you give it medium 
acceleration, it wants to slip when it changes gears. If you accelerate hard 
and quickly let off at about 35 mph, it will jump right into 4th and runs fine. 
Once in 4th/drive it accelerates fine, except, of course, the kick down doesn't 
work, because it wants to slip. My Indie says he's checked the 
vac/modulator/linkage/etc. and all are supposedly fine. Anyone else have any 
thoughts. The kick down wasn't working correctly before and my Indie hooked it 
back up when he put in the tranny. Since the diesel doesn't really need 3rd 
gear, it would be nice to be able to just bypass it, but I don't know of any 
way to do that. 
Thanks for any suggestions, thoughts, etc. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Martha, cloudy lenses

2015-09-28 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
My credit card may be the best choice. Like Dan said, doing the treatment
is just temporary and this last time it lasted less than a year. The lenses
degrade quickly now that the poor old girl lost her spot in the garage to
the '14 black on black on black Jetta.

Bob R
On Sep 28, 2015 11:52 AM, "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Your credit card
>
> --R
>
> On 9/28/15 1:57 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> What is the best stuff out there for clearing up cloudy headlight lenses,
>> Martha?
>>
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] someone needs this

2015-09-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct-KlbvGXgo

--R

On 9/28/15 4:24 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

--R wrote:

Leno has one in original condition he likes to drive

Does Leno have one of these?
http://www.w116.org/library/autocar7202/
mao

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Re: [MBZ] someone needs this

2015-09-28 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 28/09/2015 3:24 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

--R wrote:

Leno has one in original condition he likes to drive

Does Leno have one of these?
http://www.w116.org/library/autocar7202/
mao

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than others.


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Re: [MBZ] OOPS Re: should I?

2015-09-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Crackmethead.  Maybe $500 if there are some decent parts.

--R


$800.-

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Subject: Mercedes 300 SDT Diesel for sale for parts


Do you still have this car?  What would be your thought on a fair price?

--R

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5233417588.html


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Re: [MBZ] This guy is smoking crack

2015-09-28 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Dan wrote:
> That was the case with Tarek’s S500 coupe.

How is SN these days?
Do we hear from him?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] someone needs this

2015-09-28 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--R wrote:
> Leno has one in original condition he likes to drive

Does Leno have one of these?
http://www.w116.org/library/autocar7202/
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Grease off concrete

2015-09-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Another idea for concrete cleaning is to get one of the rotating 
nozzles for the pressure washer.
It is like the concentrated pin point spray nozzle but rotates so 
that you get better coverage.

Works well for paint removal etc so might also help with oil on concrete.

RB


Down where Dan lives they use those on houses and driveways to cut the mold.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

2015-09-28 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Are the gear ratios the same (between the two transmissions?
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Re: [MBZ] Grease off concrete

2015-09-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
They use those around here for cleaning large areas, like sidewalks and 
driveways. Definitely cuts down on the time it takes...

Dan

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> the pressure washer.
> It is like the concentrated pin point spray nozzle but rotates so that you 
> get better coverage.
> Works well for paint removal etc so might also help with oil on concrete.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Grease off concrete

2015-09-28 Thread Darren Marshall via Mercedes
Oven cleaner

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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

2015-09-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
If the 116 has the big filter opening from above at the back of the 
engine (vs the 115 engine with the oil filter near the front, opening 
down) it will work.  Everything else just bolts to the block or head.



Roger,

Did the engine in your W116 die?

I'm not sure about mounting and such, but the vacuum and electrical 
issues would have to be minor at best. Other than the alternator, 
there's nothing electrical on the M617 that I can recall. Vacuum 
will be much the same as far as the brake booster and accessories. 
Not sure about vacuum to the transmission modulator, or if the W116 
even had it, or only the cable/rod for getting throttle position 
input.


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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

2015-09-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Roger,

Did the engine in your W116 die?

I'm not sure about mounting and such, but the vacuum and electrical issues 
would have to be minor at best. Other than the alternator, there's nothing 
electrical on the M617 that I can recall. Vacuum will be much the same as far 
as the brake booster and accessories. Not sure about vacuum to the transmission 
modulator, or if the W116 even had it, or only the cable/rod for getting 
throttle position input.

Tell us more

Dan

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> On Sep 28, 2015, at 2:27 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried this kind of swap? Can it be done? They have different vac 
> systems for the trans, etc., but if you just come off the vac pump to the 
> normal set up, could it work? Not sure if there are any different electrical 
> harnesses that would be a problem, etc. 
> Thanks for any thoughts on this. 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
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Re: [MBZ] Grease off concrete

2015-09-28 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Another idea for concrete cleaning is to get one of the rotating nozzles 
for the pressure washer.
It is like the concentrated pin point spray nozzle but rotates so that 
you get better coverage.

Works well for paint removal etc so might also help with oil on concrete.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Martha, cloudy lenses

2015-09-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Your credit card

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What is the best stuff out there for clearing up cloudy headlight lenses,
Martha?

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Re: [MBZ] Grease off concrete

2015-09-28 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Did you try engine cleaner on a test area? Sams club has the one Gmann 
suggested for around $50 per 5 gallon pail, and if you pick it up at the store, 
there's no freight charge according to their website. I've gotten some large 
spots of black oil off by soaking with engine cleaner, blasting it off with a 
power washer, sprinkling the spots with 3:1 Chlorox, and then blasting again. 
The oil was fairly fresh, so if yours is old, it may not work as well.
Gerry

"Kaleb wrote:
> This is at the old house, renters move in tomorrow wanted to get it pretty 
> clean but it ain't happening. I power washed it 2 times used simple green and 
> oven cleaner, it's as good as it's going to get. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > What about simply getting the stains treated enough to make the surface
> > ready to be painted?
> > 
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:30 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> coca cola and sunlight (UV)
> >> 
> >> Gasoline or kerosene will dilute it.  Brake cleaner
> >> 
> >> clay
> >> 
> >>> On Sep 27, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> What's the best thing to use to get grease and oil stains off a garage
> >> floor? I poured a gallon of straight simple green on it and let it sit a
> >> while then power washed it and it barely did anything. Think maybe I need
> >> to get some sort of acid or something more heavy duty.
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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Martha, cloudy lenses

2015-09-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have had fairly good success with the Meguire's clear plastic restoration 
product.  3M makes a kit with a buffer pad and related goodies that's supposed 
to be really good.

I will say that in my limited experience with cloudy headlights, once they 
start to craze anything you do is temporary.

I would also add that some of the warehouse stores with tire centers around 
here offer a service to do this where they put some sort of sealant on them 
after they're buffed out that makes it last for a long(er) period of time.

Dan/Martha

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> Martha?
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[MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

2015-09-28 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
Has anyone tried this kind of swap? Can it be done? They have different vac 
systems for the trans, etc., but if you just come off the vac pump to the 
normal set up, could it work? Not sure if there are any different electrical 
harnesses that would be a problem, etc. 
Thanks for any thoughts on this. 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Grease off concrete

2015-09-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
OilEater products may be sold at my local Costco.  I will investigate when
I pay them my monthly visit.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is at the old house, renters move in tomorrow wanted to get it pretty
> clean but it ain't happening. I power washed it 2 times used simple green
> and oven cleaner, it's as good as it's going to get.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What about simply getting the stains treated enough to make the surface
> > ready to be painted?
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:30 PM, clay via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> coca cola and sunlight (UV)
> >>
> >> Gasoline or kerosene will dilute it.  Brake cleaner
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >>> On Sep 27, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What's the best thing to use to get grease and oil stains off a garage
> >> floor? I poured a gallon of straight simple green on it and let it sit a
> >> while then power washed it and it barely did anything. Think maybe I
> need
> >> to get some sort of acid or something more heavy duty.
> >>>
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[MBZ] Secret message for Martha, cloudy lenses

2015-09-28 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
What is the best stuff out there for clearing up cloudy headlight lenses,
Martha?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] This guy is smoking crack

2015-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I think that is how it is here also. I have had cars that carfax showed out of 
state salvage title but has clear ok title.

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> What's weird here is that Florida does not recognize salvage titles on out of 
> state vehicles.  When I titled the S500 in Florida, the title from North 
> Carolina was clearly marked as a salvage title.  When I got the Florida title 
> it said nothing, in other words, it looked no different that a regular title.
> 
> Thinking they had made a mistake, I took it to the DMV (they have an office 
> in my building, which makes it convenient) and pointed this out. Their 
> response was that since the car came into the state as a "legitimate" 
> vehicle, they couldn't mark it as a salvage vehicle. They also pointed out 
> that if anyone bothered to check, this would come out as a result of a check 
> of the VIN with the NTSB or whoever it is that keeps track of flood/salvage 
> vehicles.
> 
> My SL500 has a state issued VIN tag that's taped to the inside of the A 
> pillar between the door hinges stating that it's a rebuilt vehicle and has 
> been inspected by the State.
> 
> Dan
> 
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>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I was suggesting a rebuilt title was worth about half of a car that hadn't 
>> been
>> totaled. 
>> A salvage title is a project car that can't be driven, the price dependent on
>> how much it will take to make it into a rebuilt title. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This guy is smoking crack

2015-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Rebuilt and salvage title is about the same thing here and yes they reduce 
value about half

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> 
> I was suggesting a rebuilt title was worth about half of a car that hadn't 
> been
> totaled. 
> A salvage title is a project car that can't be driven, the price dependent on
> how much it will take to make it into a rebuilt title. 
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Re: [MBZ] Grease off concrete

2015-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
This is at the old house, renters move in tomorrow wanted to get it pretty 
clean but it ain't happening. I power washed it 2 times used simple green and 
oven cleaner, it's as good as it's going to get. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What about simply getting the stains treated enough to make the surface
> ready to be painted?
> 
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:30 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> coca cola and sunlight (UV)
>> 
>> Gasoline or kerosene will dilute it.  Brake cleaner
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> What's the best thing to use to get grease and oil stains off a garage
>> floor? I poured a gallon of straight simple green on it and let it sit a
>> while then power washed it and it barely did anything. Think maybe I need
>> to get some sort of acid or something more heavy duty.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Trial by fire for the Golf

2015-09-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
And could it get up the hills of southern Vermont at 60mph with the air 
conditioner on with a fully loaded car?
-Curt

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Cc: fmiser  
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Trial by fire for the Golf
   
> Curly wrote:
> 
> VW could beat that in the 70s.  my 79 wabbit got 45+.  The
> audi 4000 got 45 or better
> 
> Where is the improvement for 35 years of better technology?

Curt's car is a lot heavier, I'll bet.  Air bags, noise
insulation, copper wire for the big stereo speakers, etc.
Did your wabbit have an air conditioner?



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Trial by fire for the Golf

2015-09-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curly wrote:
> 
> VW could beat that in the 70s.  my 79 wabbit got 45+.  The
> audi 4000 got 45 or better
> 
> Where is the improvement for 35 years of better technology?

Curt's car is a lot heavier, I'll bet.  Air bags, noise
insulation, copper wire for the big stereo speakers, etc.
Did your wabbit have an air conditioner?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Trial by fire for the Golf

2015-09-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curt wrote:
> 
> ...what are the odds an alignment would help mileage? I
> think new calipers will help.

Once mileage gets to that level, it sure could.  The higher
the efficiency, the more significant the small factors.

With an efficient engine, mileage is all about drag.
Aerodynamic, rolling, driveline, etc.  Depending on what is
out of alignment, I would expect the improvement to be "none"
to "slight".

> The sticking parking brake is much improved but not gone,
> you can hear it once in awhile when reversing.

Even a slightly dragging brake could cause a decrease in
efficiency.

Remember, a 5% loss at 40 MPG is 2 MPG, while the same 5%
loss at 10 MPG is 0.5 MPG

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lantern - was: Trial by fire for the Golf

2015-09-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curt wrote:
> 
> Sitting outside writing this by the light of the
> mil-spec lantern I traded with Phillip for. I've been
> calling it "The worlds worst mil-spec" because the paint is
> falling off but it runs great... 

It's a good thing its text and not audio or we wouldn't be
able to hear you for the jet engine roar of the lantern.  All
pressure lanterns make noise, but on that one it seems "make
it noise" was one of the design goals!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lantern - was: Trial by fire for the Golf

2015-09-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
We spent a ton of time going over the horrors of the mil-spec last weekend. 
There are 4 good points but for each good there are 2 or 3 bad...
-Curt
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Lantern - was: Trial by fire for the Golf
   
> Curt wrote:


> 
> Sitting outside writing this by the light of the
> mil-spec lantern I traded with Phillip for. I've been
> calling it "The worlds worst mil-spec" because the paint is
> falling off but it runs great... 

It's a good thing its text and not audio or we wouldn't be
able to hear you for the jet engine roar of the lantern.  All
pressure lanterns make noise, but on that one it seems "make
it noise" was one of the design goals!


  
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Re: [MBZ] OOPS Re: should I?

2015-09-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I was lucky to get $200 for the 95 S500. I think that was only because the cats 
were still in it.

Dan

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> Around here, a 300SD is worth about $100 as scrap metal.
> Was $400-500 in recent years.
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Re: [MBZ] OOPS Re: should I?

2015-09-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I sent the guy an email to see if he still had it and what he might want 
for it, will see what he says.


yeah, it might be kinda fun to have a teardown weekend, get out the air 
wrenches and just completely strip the thing of good stuff down to the 
carcass then haul it to the knacker.  Figure out later what to do with 
all the bits, or just keep them for the 2 I have.


--R



On 9/28/15 11:51 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Sure, strip off the parts at your place?  Need to get it for about $300 or
$400, drag it back with your truck-n-trailer.

If the head is good (and I still have my hot bath head tester tank, need a
heat source but may be able to borrow one) thats maybe $750,

Injector set $100

Injection pump $100, maybe more if can show no VO use.

Sell the tranny for $50, maybe some interior bits that can be tested and
sold.

May be able to get about a grand out if it, so net profit of $350 each?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5233417588.html

On 9/28/15 10:49 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:


How much?

Max. you want to deconstruct an SD?

--R




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[MBZ] Lenovo new stuff

2015-09-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I just got an email from an organization I belong to until Feb that 
they have discounts for new Lenovo stuff.


		Up to 38% off Lenovo's laptop, tablets, desktops and 
more, plus FREE shipping on all web orders!


43% off the Lenovo Z50-70 Laptop

24% off the Lenovo Tablet 2 A7-30

37% off the Lenovo Horizon 2s All-in-One Desktop

15% off the ThinkPad X1 Carbon Laptop

IF anyone is looking to buy a new thinkpad, etc, let me know and I 
will see what I can do for you.  these are supposed to be discounts 
off the lenovo website prices.

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Re: [MBZ] OOPS Re: should I?

2015-09-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
DOn't forget the heater blower motor, the blower wheel and the 
porcupine.  You are looking at $200 there.


If anyone gets hit by a kamikaze pheasant while the wipers are 
running, the wiper transmission is worth $75 to 125.




Sure, strip off the parts at your place?  Need to get it for about $300 or
$400, drag it back with your truck-n-trailer.

If the head is good (and I still have my hot bath head tester tank, need a
heat source but may be able to borrow one) thats maybe $750,

Injector set $100

Injection pump $100, maybe more if can show no VO use.

Sell the tranny for $50, maybe some interior bits that can be tested and
sold.

May be able to get about a grand out if it, so net profit of $350 each?

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Max
Charleston SC


15" bundts used to be worth big money, if those happen to be 15"

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Re: [MBZ] OOPS Re: should I?

2015-09-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Around here, a 300SD is worth about $100 as scrap metal.
Was $400-500 in recent years.

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Re: [MBZ] OOPS Re: should I?

2015-09-28 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Sure, strip off the parts at your place?  Need to get it for about $300 or
$400, drag it back with your truck-n-trailer.

If the head is good (and I still have my hot bath head tester tank, need a
heat source but may be able to borrow one) thats maybe $750,

Injector set $100

Injection pump $100, maybe more if can show no VO use.

Sell the tranny for $50, maybe some interior bits that can be tested and
sold.

May be able to get about a grand out if it, so net profit of $350 each?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5233417588.html
>
> On 9/28/15 10:49 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> How much?
>>
>> Max. you want to deconstruct an SD?
>>
>> --R
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>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] This guy is smoking crack

2015-09-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
What's weird here is that Florida does not recognize salvage titles on out of 
state vehicles.  When I titled the S500 in Florida, the title from North 
Carolina was clearly marked as a salvage title.  When I got the Florida title 
it said nothing, in other words, it looked no different that a regular title.

Thinking they had made a mistake, I took it to the DMV (they have an office in 
my building, which makes it convenient) and pointed this out. Their response 
was that since the car came into the state as a "legitimate" vehicle, they 
couldn't mark it as a salvage vehicle. They also pointed out that if anyone 
bothered to check, this would come out as a result of a check of the VIN with 
the NTSB or whoever it is that keeps track of flood/salvage vehicles.

My SL500 has a state issued VIN tag that's taped to the inside of the A pillar 
between the door hinges stating that it's a rebuilt vehicle and has been 
inspected by the State.

Dan

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> 
> I was suggesting a rebuilt title was worth about half of a car that hadn't 
> been
> totaled. 
> A salvage title is a project car that can't be driven, the price dependent on
> how much it will take to make it into a rebuilt title. 
> 
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[MBZ] should I?

2015-09-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

How much?

Max. you want to deconstruct an SD?

--R



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[MBZ] OOPS Re: should I?

2015-09-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5233417588.html

On 9/28/15 10:49 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

How much?

Max. you want to deconstruct an SD?

--R





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Re: [MBZ] This guy is smoking crack

2015-09-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

I was suggesting a rebuilt title was worth about half of a car that hadn't been
totaled. 
A salvage title is a project car that can't be driven, the price dependent on
how much it will take to make it into a rebuilt title. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] someone needs this

2015-09-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What a jerk.

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> Leno has one in original condition he likes to drive
>
> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5240537363.html
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Re: [MBZ] Grease off concrete

2015-09-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
www.oileater.com

Best product I've ever found. Totally biodegradable, no harmful effects to
plants or animals and it emulsifies oil.

Pour it on, spread it over the stain.. let it set, wash it off..

I use it to remove engine grime from Detroit Diesel engines.. and they come
out spanking clean. Common wisdom with Detroit Diesels is, if you put a
picture of one on the wall, there will be an oil spot under it by morning..
So I can say, this is good stuff.



On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> What about simply getting the stains treated enough to make the surface
> ready to be painted?
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:30 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > coca cola and sunlight (UV)
> >
> > Gasoline or kerosene will dilute it.  Brake cleaner
> >
> > clay
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > > What's the best thing to use to get grease and oil stains off a garage
> > floor? I poured a gallon of straight simple green on it and let it sit a
> > while then power washed it and it barely did anything. Think maybe I need
> > to get some sort of acid or something more heavy duty.
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[MBZ] who wants a mog?

2015-09-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5241628777.html

--R

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[MBZ] someone needs this

2015-09-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Leno has one in original condition he likes to drive

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5240537363.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Grease off concrete

2015-09-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What about simply getting the stains treated enough to make the surface
ready to be painted?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:30 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> coca cola and sunlight (UV)
>
> Gasoline or kerosene will dilute it.  Brake cleaner
>
> clay
>
> On Sep 27, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > What's the best thing to use to get grease and oil stains off a garage
> floor? I poured a gallon of straight simple green on it and let it sit a
> while then power washed it and it barely did anything. Think maybe I need
> to get some sort of acid or something more heavy duty.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Car Fun

2015-09-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The supply of ATTABOYs may soon be exhausted unless Dan takes up a new
hobby.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:18 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> ATTABOY, again!
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Okie Benz" 
> Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:09 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Today's Car Fun
>
>
>
> Pretty low key today - Washed the SL500 and the S430, then spent about 30
>> minutes with the RO polisher and buffer getting the scratches out of the
>> clearcoat on the S430’s trunk lid.  Seems the PO had a bike rack that
>> didn’t have very soft cushions where it rested against the car.  Every time
>> I opened the trunk I would see the scratches and they were driving me nuts.
>> A short time with some clean pads and a couple of grades of polish and
>> they’re gone, along with the ones above the model badge on the back edge
>> from the pedals as well.
>>
>> Followed that up with a liberal coat of Collinite #845 Insulator Wax to
>> top off the surface and it’s almost as good as new.  At least you can’t see
>> the scratches any more, as they’re gone.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] testing my 300td AC

2015-09-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Or the battery could have shorted or whatever.  I had one blow up like 
that a coupla years ago, might have been on the Suburban.


--R



On 9/28/15 7:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This is getting into semantics, but whether it's Bosch or URO it could fail and 
toast a battery. I would suggest that the possibility of failure of any kind is 
significantly higher with a URO part, based on both economics and anecdotal 
data.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Sep 28, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
 wrote:

So, i found a  meter and the Uro voltage regulator is charging correctly

And so, i shouldn't use a $6 Uro voltage regulator because it is no good and a 
german Bosch regulator failed and cooked my battery?

I see there is a Hueco brand …. who is that?

says made in germany

http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/3523710

bosch is almost $30 at autohaus

I could almost get a 5 pack of the Uro!


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Trial by fire for the Golf

2015-09-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
0-60 speeds measured in seconds not in days.Car starts easily no matter how 
cold it is.Car free of rattles and clanks so common in the '70s.Car isn't all 
rusted out after 10 years.Lack of dying in all but the smallest crashes.
I think we can all pretty much agree cars today are very good (though lacking 
in soul) at least for the first 10-15 years.
-Curt

  From: OK Don via Mercedes 
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Cc: OK Don  
 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 11:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Trial by fire for the Golf
   
I've gotten 53 mpg with the 2012 Passat - there's your improvement (not
much, but - -). The cars are heavier now so not as many people die in
crashes as they did in the '70's, hence even maintaining the fuel economy
is an improvement. Comparing a '70's car to one today is apples to oranges.
I think we've had this discussion before . . .

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> VW could beat that in the 70s.  my 79 wabbit got 45+.  The audi 4000 got
> 45 or better
>
> Where is the improvement for 35 years of better technology?
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] testing my 300td AC

2015-09-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
This is getting into semantics, but whether it's Bosch or URO it could fail and 
toast a battery. I would suggest that the possibility of failure of any kind is 
significantly higher with a URO part, based on both economics and anecdotal 
data.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, i found a  meter and the Uro voltage regulator is charging correctly
> 
> And so, i shouldn't use a $6 Uro voltage regulator because it is no good and 
> a german Bosch regulator failed and cooked my battery?
> 
> I see there is a Hueco brand …. who is that?
> 
> says made in germany
> 
> http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/3523710
> 
> bosch is almost $30 at autohaus
> 
> I could almost get a 5 pack of the Uro!
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Trial by fire for the Golf

2015-09-28 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
I take out the tie rod(s) before loosening the adjusters, scribe center points 
on their ends, measure the distance between centers, scribe center points on 
the new link, transfer the measurement, tighten the adjuster, and install. I've 
never had to have a re-alignment.

Before that, I made a bead chain adjustment bar like those used to set the old 
Beetles alignment and calculated the toe-in angle from the difference in the 
measurement front and back from rolling the car back and forth. That worked 
well too, but the bar disappeared when we retired and moved to Citrus County.

Gerry 
... 

> I'm about 1/2 way through my first tank on my wagon after adjusting the
> injection pump timing.  I'm hoping I will at least get back to 26-27 mpg
> around town.  I also still need to have the front end aligned after
> replacing a tie-rod, I did my best with string and the affected wheel
> sitting on two big tiles with a nice layer of grease between, I think I
> came pretty close but the steering wheel is not at 12:00 o'clock yet so
> there is room for improvement.
> 
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