date:20180108

> Curley wrote:

> Can anyone guess why the car builders love to sell trucks and
> SUVs?

Less regulations, lower build cost, higher sell price, and the buyers want them.

Next?

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: 49 Battery

> Bob wrote:
>  IS an AGM battery worth it?? 

I don't know.  Lots of people say good things about them.  But if
it is twice the price, I should get twice the life.  I'm not sure
it adds up.

> How can I check if starter is good ??  83 240D

Well - put in a new one and see if it's fixed?  *smiles*

The battery and the starter are a system.  Either one can cause
very similar symptoms.  

A failing starter will draw more current.  So a DC ammeter that
can read more than 500 A can be used.  My note, which are not as
clear as I would like, suggest that the starter for my OM616 with
a good battery and warm weather would draw about 250 A.  Not clear
is if this was a bench test...  

If the battery is good, turn on the interior light and watch it
when cranking.  It should dim, but not go out - or nearly out.   

A weak battery or a failing starter will cause the light to go
out, or practically go out.

A bad cable or connection will cause the light to dim very little.

Or a volt meter, measuring the voltage drop along the
battery-starter cable.  This is most effective if you have a
known-good reading to compare.  I'm not finding my notes on what I
found to be "normal"...  

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

> Rdeafboy wrote:

> Anybody use AGM type battery??

AGM is functionally a drop-in replacement for flooded cell battery
in a car.  Charge voltage is close enough it seems to work out
just fine.

Are they better than flooded cell?  They cost more, so AGM must be
better - right?

> My Interstate whosesaler is out of the 49 now

What about a group 93? 

I built a chart of showing the DIN and EN numbers as well as the
BCI. I have failed to figure out why there are two DIN numbers...

NOTE 1: all of these batteries are 175 mm wide, so I did not
list that dimension.

NOTE 2: The batteries with a "b4" holddown may be a problem
for 123 cars.  I don't know the clamping range of the
factory clips.

NOTE 3: This chart is in the same order as the last listing -
descending volume as calculated from the maximum
exterior dimensions.  With all else equal, greater
volume should equal greater capacity - unless the
calculated volume does not compare to the internal
volume.  

| BCI |DIN| EN   | length | height | Holddown |
|-+-+-+--+++--|
|  49 | H8  | L5  | 88L5 |354 |190 | b3   |
|  93 | T8  | LB5 | 88LB |354 |175 | b3   |
| 94R | H7  | L4  | 77L4 |315 |190 | b3   |
|  92 | T7  | LB4 | 77LB |315 |175 | b3   |
| 98R | H6  | 3   | 66L3 |283 |190 | b4   |
|  48 | H6  | L3  | 66L3 |278 |190 | b3   |
|  41 | T65 | | 54LB |293 |175 | b4   |
| 40R | T6  | LB3 | 66LB |278 |175 | b1   |
|  91 | T6  | LB3 | 66LB |278 |175 | b3   |
| 97R | H5  | L6  |  |252 |190 | b4   |
|  47 | H5  | L2  | 55L2 |242 |190 | b3   |
| 96R | | |  |242 |175 | b5   |
|  90 | T5  | LB2 | 45LB |242 |175 | b3   |
|  42 | T5  | LB2 | 45LB |242 |175 | b4   |
| 67R | | |  |132 |176 | b2   |
| 99R | T4  | LB1 | 36LB |210 |175 | b3   |

Holddowns
 b1 - 10.5 mm high, long side only
 b2 - ?? high, short side only
 b3 - 10.5 mm high on long and short sides
 b4 - 19.0 mm high, long side only
 b5 - ?? high, long side only

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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

2018-01-08 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

Coupla zeroes too many, there.  The rust and mold are the only things
holding the poor thing together.

-MMM-

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[MBZ] cheap wagon


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[MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available


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Re: [MBZ] A serious question

2018-01-08 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

I only paid $500 for mine.  ;-)

"You're getting in way over your head" was how your put it to me.  Buy it, and 
we'll see who gets theirs done first?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 8, 2018 8:55:44 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>How much is a 95 124 convertible worth? Car in question has about 140k
>miles, just had fuel pumps replaced. Needs work on the top hydraulics.
>A guy emailed me about it. I happened to have been driving by where the
>car is located on Sunday and saw it sitting outside a repair shop. It
>was red and looked pretty good while driving by. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost


For that much money, I CAN BUY A MERCEDES BENZ   AND the MB is SAFER!

Can anyone guess why the car builders love to sell trucks and SUVs??


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 8, 2018 at 6:31 PM
I was in several ram ecodiesels today and the msrp was something like 
55k and they had them priced 43k.


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Re: [MBZ] A serious question

2018-01-08 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Yes convertible top guy who fixed my Wife's  SAAB top for a couple grand
said a MB top repair a month would pay his bills. I bet this is as much as
R129

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 8, 2018 9:07 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I’m guessing, but probably in the $3k-$5k range depending on overall
condition.

That being said, if the hydraulics are shot I would immediately knock $1000
off the price, if not more.  The work is medium level DIY stuff, but the
labor is a killer if you pay someone to do it.  If the seller has talked to
a shop about the work he’s gotten a BIG dose of reality, as I would expect
that parts and flat rate time for the whole job is well past $2,000,
probably closer to $3,000.

Klaus of Top Hydraulics is THE MAN when it comes to rebuilt components and
repairs.  I used him for a complete cylinder rebuild on my R129 and he
kicked some serious *ss on it AND he will talk to you over the phone and/or
email if you have questions or problems.

Here is the page for the W124 convertible stuff:

https://www.tophydraulicsinc.com/en/22-w124-e-300-ce-e-320-e-220-cabriolet

So it looks like about $1200 for a total system replacement, however, it’s
unlikely your pump and valves need replacement.  Cylinders are $450, which
isn’t bad at all. Again, it’s not a fun job and will take you easily 12-16
hours to do a complete R&R, but there’s nothing that isn’t beyond basic
mechanical work in the process.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> How much is a 95 124 convertible worth? Car in question has about 140k
miles, just had fuel pumps replaced. Needs work on the top hydraulics. A
guy emailed me about it. I happened to have been driving by where the car
is located on Sunday and saw it sitting outside a repair shop. It was red
and looked pretty good while driving by.
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Re: [MBZ] A serious question

If it’s in good shape and doesn’t need valve seals that’s probably a good deal. 
 Is the top in good condition?

-D


> On Jan 8, 2018, at 9:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Guy wants $3200 or trade for a vehicle with manual trans. Thinking about 
> seeing if he wants this 240D.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A serious question

Guy wants $3200 or trade for a vehicle with manual trans. Thinking about seeing 
if he wants this 240D.

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> On Jan 8, 2018, at 8:07 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Rarity is the only thing going to the car.   Probably get it for $6k
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2018, at 5:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> How much is a 95 124 convertible worth? Car in question has about 140k 
>> miles, just had fuel pumps replaced. Needs work on the top hydraulics. A guy 
>> emailed me about it. I happened to have been driving by where the car is 
>> located on Sunday and saw it sitting outside a repair shop. It was red and 
>> looked pretty good while driving by. 
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Re: [MBZ] A serious question

Well it’s going to be way more than 500

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> On Jan 8, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A 320CE- I would love one. Give,you 600 when you buy it for 500
> 
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Jan 8, 2018 8:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> How much is a 95 124 convertible worth? Car in question has about 140k
>> miles, just had fuel pumps replaced. Needs work on the top hydraulics. A
>> guy emailed me about it. I happened to have been driving by where the car
>> is located on Sunday and saw it sitting outside a repair shop. It was red
>> and looked pretty good while driving by.
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Re: [MBZ] A serious question

I’m guessing, but probably in the $3k-$5k range depending on overall condition.

That being said, if the hydraulics are shot I would immediately knock $1000 off 
the price, if not more.  The work is medium level DIY stuff, but the labor is a 
killer if you pay someone to do it.  If the seller has talked to a shop about 
the work he’s gotten a BIG dose of reality, as I would expect that parts and 
flat rate time for the whole job is well past $2,000, probably closer to $3,000.

Klaus of Top Hydraulics is THE MAN when it comes to rebuilt components and 
repairs.  I used him for a complete cylinder rebuild on my R129 and he kicked 
some serious *ss on it AND he will talk to you over the phone and/or email if 
you have questions or problems.

Here is the page for the W124 convertible stuff:

https://www.tophydraulicsinc.com/en/22-w124-e-300-ce-e-320-e-220-cabriolet

So it looks like about $1200 for a total system replacement, however, it’s 
unlikely your pump and valves need replacement.  Cylinders are $450, which 
isn’t bad at all. Again, it’s not a fun job and will take you easily 12-16 
hours to do a complete R&R, but there’s nothing that isn’t beyond basic 
mechanical work in the process.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How much is a 95 124 convertible worth? Car in question has about 140k miles, 
> just had fuel pumps replaced. Needs work on the top hydraulics. A guy emailed 
> me about it. I happened to have been driving by where the car is located on 
> Sunday and saw it sitting outside a repair shop. It was red and looked pretty 
> good while driving by. 
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Re: [MBZ] A serious question

2018-01-08 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes

Rarity is the only thing going to the car.   Probably get it for $6k



clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 8, 2018, at 5:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How much is a 95 124 convertible worth? Car in question has about 140k miles, 
> just had fuel pumps replaced. Needs work on the top hydraulics. A guy emailed 
> me about it. I happened to have been driving by where the car is located on 
> Sunday and saw it sitting outside a repair shop. It was red and looked pretty 
> good while driving by. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A serious question

2018-01-08 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

A 320CE- I would love one. Give,you 600 when you buy it for 500


Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 8, 2018 8:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How much is a 95 124 convertible worth? Car in question has about 140k
> miles, just had fuel pumps replaced. Needs work on the top hydraulics. A
> guy emailed me about it. I happened to have been driving by where the car
> is located on Sunday and saw it sitting outside a repair shop. It was red
> and looked pretty good while driving by.
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[MBZ] A serious question

How much is a 95 124 convertible worth? Car in question has about 140k miles, 
just had fuel pumps replaced. Needs work on the top hydraulics. A guy emailed 
me about it. I happened to have been driving by where the car is located on 
Sunday and saw it sitting outside a repair shop. It was red and looked pretty 
good while driving by. 

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Re: [MBZ] Costco Double Attaboy

2018-01-08 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Nice. Restores,faith in humanity.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 8, 2018 8:10 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I spotted this item at Costco last week:
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/ProSensor-Professional-Finder-
> Built-Bubble/dp/B0195K8OT4/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=
> 1515459155&sr=1-3&keywords=prosensor+710%2B+professional+stud+finder
>
>
>
> and coincidentally I helped my son on Saturday to install some Ethernet
> wall plates to go through a couple of walls, needing a stud finder to find
> the right location to cut through. I got the picture that he could really
> use a studfinder, and I lusted after the really nice one at Costco, for
> about HALF of the Amazon price ($29.99 vs. $54.95)!
>
>
>
> So as I was looking for a parking spot in the Costco lot, a guy in a
> Costco jacket was running after me. I rolled my window down, and he told me
> to drive over to the tire area so he could air up my low tire he had
> spotted. When I did, I saw a nail head in the center of the tread. He said
> it would take a while to repair, and they would call my cell when it was
> ready.
>
>
>
> I went into the store, found my stud finder, then browsed their books. I
> found a copy of a Mitch Rapp novel I have on my Kindle that I had been
> planning to read. I found a nice leather recliner and got a good start on
> the book before they called.
>
>
>
> So, attaboy for taking the trouble to chase me down, attaboy for having a
> nice product at a much lower price than Amazon.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost

2018-01-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

In 2014 when we bought ours the diesel were selling like hotcakes and they 
weren't discounting at all. Now they've got some discounts... Curt

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  On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   I wouldn’t mind owning one. The prices 
seem decent for what other new trucks cost now day. 

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> On Jan 8, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> The RAM diesel is superb, before we bought ours we drove the diesel, it was 
> very nearly as powerful while using less fuel.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> I was in several ram ecodiesels today and the msrp was something like 55k and 
> they had them priced 43k.
> 
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> > On Jan 8, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
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> > https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-f-150-diesel-should-score-30-mpg-highway-1821871761
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[MBZ] Costco Double Attaboy

2018-01-08 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

I spotted this item at Costco last week:

https://www.amazon.com/ProSensor-Professional-Finder-Built-Bubble/dp/B0195K8OT4/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1515459155&sr=1-3&keywords=prosensor+710%2B+professional+stud+finder

and coincidentally I helped my son on Saturday to install some Ethernet wall
plates to go through a couple of walls, needing a stud finder to find the right
location to cut through. I got the picture that he could really use a
studfinder, and I lusted after the really nice one at Costco, for about HALF of
the Amazon price ($29.99 vs. $54.95)!

So as I was looking for a parking spot in the Costco lot, a guy in a Costco
jacket was running after me. I rolled my window down, and he told me to drive
over to the tire area so he could air up my low tire he had spotted. When I
did, I saw a nail head in the center of the tread. He said it would take a
while to repair, and they would call my cell when it was ready.

I went into the store, found my stud finder, then browsed their books. I found
a copy of a Mitch Rapp novel I have on my Kindle that I had been planning to
read. I found a nice leather recliner and got a good start on the book before
they called.

So, attaboy for taking the trouble to chase me down, attaboy for having a nice
product at a much lower price than Amazon.

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost

I wouldn’t mind owning one. The prices seem decent for what other new trucks 
cost now day. 

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> The RAM diesel is superb, before we bought ours we drove the diesel, it was 
> very nearly as powerful while using less fuel.
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> they had them priced 43k.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost

2018-01-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

The RAM diesel is superb, before we bought ours we drove the diesel, it was 
very nearly as powerful while using less fuel.

Curt

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and the msrp was something like 55k and they had them priced 43k.

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

That’s backward from what I have always heard. I thought they were more 
durable. 

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> 
> Rdeafboy wrote:
>> I have a 1983 240d .  I can get a Bosch 49 for $173 at PoorBoys locally or 
>> AcDelco 49 AGM from Rock Auto del'd for $182 ...Anybody use AGM type battery 
>> ?? 
> 
> I use an AGM in my Prius, but I would never use one in my diesel cars since 
> the AGMs are more easily damaged. For example, if you leave something on and 
> run the AGM down, you can't charge at more than 4 amps without shortening its 
> life.
> Also, I vaguely recall someone on the Prius website complaining that the AGM 
> in his Prius only lasted 3 years. YMMV. Hopefully someone on he group has had 
> experience with AGMs in diesels.
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

I have one in the 98 e300 and in the 07 r320

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> I have a 1983 240d .  I can get a Bosch 49 for $173 at PoorBoys locally or 
> AcDelco 49 AGM from Rock Auto del'd for $182 ...Anybody use AGM type battery 
> ??  My Interstate whosesaler is out of the 49 now .  [Had one last for 9 
> years in the past]Suggestions as to good brands ??  I had good luck with 
> Bosch & Interstate
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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost

They have had the ram 1/2 ecodiesel for several years. There is a Colorado 4 
cylinder diesel also. 

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> FINALLY!  Somebody figgered out there is a market for a 6 cyl 3 liter 
> turbodiesel  in the van/light truck market.  (but only as everyone else 
> abandons Diesels)
> Too bad it is a moronic V6 instead of a straight 6.
> 
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>> January 8, 2018 at 10:41 AM
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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost

I was in several ram ecodiesels today and the msrp was something like 55k and 
they had them priced 43k.

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

2018-01-08 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Rdeafboy wrote:
> I have a 1983 240d .  I can get a Bosch 49 for $173 at PoorBoys locally or 
> AcDelco 49 AGM from Rock Auto del'd for $182 ...Anybody use AGM type battery 
> ?? 

I use an AGM in my Prius, but I would never use one in my diesel cars since the 
AGMs are more easily damaged. For example, if you leave something on and run 
the AGM down, you can't charge at more than 4 amps without shortening its life.
Also, I vaguely recall someone on the Prius website complaining that the AGM in 
his Prius only lasted 3 years. YMMV. Hopefully someone on he group has had 
experience with AGMs in diesels.
Gerry

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[MBZ] Subject: Re: 49 Battery

2018-01-08 Thread Rdeafboy via Mercedes


"It probably sounds stupid, but I've had very good luck with used batteries 
I've gotten from my Interstate wholesale house. $49.95 + $15 core. I'd pick one 
up and use that until they get more new group 49 batteries in stock. Make sure 
your alternator, etc is up to snuff.

Rick"

 Thanx Rick...Guess what?  That's exactly what I have since 8/4/17 from 
Interstate wholesale.6 month guarantee.[1 month left]...Same price... but 
this battery IS shorter than a 49I 'm holding 12.25 v plus jumper box but 
still not starting...28 degrees here so it should start...maybe starter is shot 
??  Oil still too thick with this frozen weather?? ...don't have heater core on 
it...,,,...12.25v means 50 % right?? Glow plugs are good.  BTW  alternator 
is new ...Indy messed up alt'r destroying my alternator mounting block[$105 on 
Ebay] when he put in my water pump a year ago.  The two Mercedes indy's near me 
are real fuckups ..HAVE to do my own work anymore!!
 
IS an AGM battery worth it .??
 
How can I check if starter is good ??
 
Bob 
83 240D
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

2018-01-08 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Out on the desert here, if you lay down for a nap you will wake up with
vultures circling overhead. waiting just in case ;))

I've never seen them go for anything that's not dead. Rattlesnakes are
always hung on a fence to "ripen" and even coyotes won't touch them for 3
days... professional courtesy, I suppose..

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> Year ‘round.
>
> I’ve never seen them go after anything injured.  That’s not to say they
> won’t follow something they think is on its last legs, but they won’t
> attack it that I’ve ever seen.
>
> Food sources are too plentiful here, I suspect.  I see them all year
> long.  Sort of like the darned geese that used to winter in Wisconsin
> because some idiot took to feeding them.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 8, 2018, at 1:34 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dan wrote:
> >
> >> As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which
> >> perform an amazing community service by clearing roads and
> >> pretty much and open areas of dead animals.
> >
> > Is that year 'round?  Or are there more of them in the winter?
> > I'm asking because most of the turkey vultures around here depart
> > for the winter.  A sure sign of spring is their return.
> >
> > And speaking of raptors, a couple days ago I saw an american
> > kestrel kiting near the road, and a few minutes later a bald eagle
> > flew over.
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

2018-01-08 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

El Mercado de Wal?

--R
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> On Jan 8, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What about this one from Home Depot?  $119..
> 
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Exide-Extreme-L5-49-Auto-Battery-L5-49X/204852602
> 
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It probably sounds stupid, but I've had very good luck with used batteries
>> I've gotten from my Interstate wholesale house. $49.95 + $15 core. I'd pick
>> one up and use that until they get more new group 49 batteries in stock.
>> Make sure your alternator, etc is up to snuff.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

Year ‘round.

I’ve never seen them go after anything injured.  That’s not to say they won’t 
follow something they think is on its last legs, but they won’t attack it that 
I’ve ever seen.

Food sources are too plentiful here, I suspect.  I see them all year long.  
Sort of like the darned geese that used to winter in Wisconsin because some 
idiot took to feeding them.

-D


> On Jan 8, 2018, at 1:34 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> Dan wrote:
> 
>> As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which
>> perform an amazing community service by clearing roads and
>> pretty much and open areas of dead animals.
> 
> Is that year 'round?  Or are there more of them in the winter?
> I'm asking because most of the turkey vultures around here depart
> for the winter.  A sure sign of spring is their return.
> 
> And speaking of raptors, a couple days ago I saw an american
> kestrel kiting near the road, and a few minutes later a bald eagle
> flew over.
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

2018-01-08 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

That's what I've been using for about a year now.  No complaints, but not a 
whole lot of service time.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 8, 2018 2:58:35 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What about this one from Home Depot?  $119..
>
>https://www.homedepot.com/p/Exide-Extreme-L5-49-Auto-Battery-L5-49X/204852602
>
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>
>> It probably sounds stupid, but I've had very good luck with used
>batteries
>> I've gotten from my Interstate wholesale house. $49.95 + $15 core.
>I'd pick
>> one up and use that until they get more new group 49 batteries in
>stock.
>> Make sure your alternator, etc is up to snuff.
>>
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[MBZ] 'net hiccup?

I got a whole slew of messages from 10 am until 2:45, then 
nothing.   I suspect the mail is jammed up somewhere  on the  'net.


Maybe someone will kick ATT in the posterior and get them to restart the 
offending server.


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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

2018-01-08 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Bob wrote:
> ...Anybody use AGM type battery ??

AGM RedTop Interstate being used here in cold for about 6-years, just
fine.  It may not be group49?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT Amazon

2018-01-08 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Dwight wrote:
> Try ABEBOOKS.com  for used. I buy there a lot.

Richarde taught us to see addall.com
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

What about this one from Home Depot?  $119..

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Exide-Extreme-L5-49-Auto-Battery-L5-49X/204852602

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> It probably sounds stupid, but I've had very good luck with used batteries
> I've gotten from my Interstate wholesale house. $49.95 + $15 core. I'd pick
> one up and use that until they get more new group 49 batteries in stock.
> Make sure your alternator, etc is up to snuff.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!


On 08/01/2018 12:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

In nature, nothing goes to waste everything gets recycled in its own
way.
Nature, is very efficient.



We toss squirrel carcasses on the brush pile that we build and burn at 
the lake. They normally disappear right away too. Not sure what takes 
them. Fox maybe or maybe crows.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!


On 08/01/2018 11:44 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I might have related the story of the father and daughter in Texas who 
had gone out to hunt boars and after some time came back empty 
handed.  They were loading up the truck and one comes strolling across 
the dirt road right in front of the truck, the little girl who I 
remember being maybe 10 or 12 grabs her rifle and shoots the thing 
right there like 30ft away.  They took a picture of it, the thing was 
absolutely monstrous, not one of these little porkers you see running 
around but a full-grown several hundred pounder. Massive.  The little 
girl was quite proud.


--FT



Similar to the story of my friend, Greg,  from years back, which I may 
have related previously. He and his brother,. Bruce, went hunting in the 
interlake region north of Winnipeg. In order to ensure an early start, 
they drove up the night before and slept in the bucket seats of the 
truck beside a hydro access road. Come morning, Bruce quickly announced 
that Greg could build a fire and work on breakfast while he scouted 
around a bit. Greg was not all that amused, but since Bruce took off, he 
built a fire and got some coffee brewing. A few minutes later, a moose 
walked onto the road about 50 yards away. Greg got his gun and dropped 
the moose. Bruce came back a bit later and commented that he had heard a 
gun shot and asked if that was Greg shooting. Greg pointed behind the 
truck to the moose lying on the road. They were able to back the truck 
right up to it and load the quarters on to the truck. Much better than 
carrying it out of the bush.
The rest of the story is that they took it to Greg's house and hung it 
in the basement. His wife was off a the ballet with Bruce's wife. When 
she got home, she walked in and asked "what is that smell?". Greg took 
her to the basement to show off his prize. It got moved to a cold 
storage facility that afternoon. I do not blame her. I had called him 
that day and asked to borrow a big electric drill that I knew he had. He 
was agreeable and when I went to pick it up, he showed me the moose. It 
did have quite an odor.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

2018-01-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

It probably sounds stupid, but I've had very good luck with used batteries I've 
gotten from my Interstate wholesale house. $49.95 + $15 core. I'd pick one up 
and use that until they get more new group 49 batteries in stock. Make sure 
your alternator, etc is up to snuff.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

I have turkeys all over the vast estate, at least for a couple more 
weeks until turkey season opens.  I have not yet been attacked by any 
though.  If one decides to try, I might have a nice turkey dinner right 
quick.


--FT


On 1/8/18 2:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Beware the aggressive OH Turkeys!

Aggressive turkeys halt mail deliveryPublished: Monday, January 8, 2018

Aggressive wild turkeys are preventing postal carriers in Rocky River,
Ohio, from delivering mail to over two dozen homes in the area.

Several residents of the Cleveland suburb have had to pick up their mail at
the post office because the turkeys have created dangerous conditions for
the mail carriers.

Under its rules, the city is not allowed to get rid of the turkeys,
according to Rocky River Mayor Pam Bobst.

Rocky River has asked people to stop putting out bird feed, which could be
attracting the animals.

Some carriers have been pecked by the birds, but none has been injured,
according to a U.S. Postal Service spokesman (Associated Press
,
Jan. 7). *— CS*

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wrote:


The vultures are here seasonally - I throw the dead squirrels out beside
the road for them to clean up, but they aren't here in the winter.
Something does carry them off though, they are rarely there the next
morning.

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wrote:


Dan wrote:
As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which
perform an amazing community service by clearing roads and
pretty much and open areas of dead animals.

Is that year 'round?  Or are there more of them in the winter?
I'm asking because most of the turkey vultures around here depart
for the winter.  A sure sign of spring is their return.

And speaking of raptors, a couple days ago I saw an american
kestrel kiting near the road, and a few minutes later a bald eagle
flew over.

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

2018-01-08 Thread Rdeafboy via Mercedes

I have a 1983 240d .  I can get a Bosch 49 for $173 at PoorBoys locally or 
AcDelco 49 AGM from Rock Auto del'd for $182 ...Anybody use AGM type battery ?? 
 My Interstate whosesaler is out of the 49 now .  [Had one last for 9 years in 
the past]Suggestions as to good brands ??  I had good luck with Bosch & 
Interstate

 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil filler cap gasket

I also like the Genuine Mercedes metal fuel tank caps that are easier to
open, although they have recently doubled in price to $30++

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Cap

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 22:34:12 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > 1110180080 47.5mm, 1020180380 38.5mm
> >
> >
> > On 1/6/2018 10:01 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
> > > I have never liked the new Prastik caps.  On Allen I switched the
> > > newfangled cap for the old metal one.  This one leaks oil bad.
> > > Somebody said I should flip the gasket over, because the one side
> > > gets a compression, but the other side will not have the issue.  I
> > > gave that a try, but the gasket had turned into a solid, and came out
> > > in chunks.  SO now I have the new cap on until I can find a new seal.
>
> I'm having troubles with a leaking fuel tank filler cap on our '90
> E300D/2.5 Turbo.
>
> Would one of these help with that, too?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Oil filler cap gasket

2018-01-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 22:34:12 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> 1110180080 47.5mm, 1020180380 38.5mm
> 
> 
> On 1/6/2018 10:01 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
> > I have never liked the new Prastik caps.  On Allen I switched the
> > newfangled cap for the old metal one.  This one leaks oil bad.
> > Somebody said I should flip the gasket over, because the one side
> > gets a compression, but the other side will not have the issue.  I
> > gave that a try, but the gasket had turned into a solid, and came out
> > in chunks.  SO now I have the new cap on until I can find a new seal.

I'm having troubles with a leaking fuel tank filler cap on our '90
E300D/2.5 Turbo.

Would one of these help with that, too?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

Beware the aggressive OH Turkeys!

Aggressive turkeys halt mail deliveryPublished: Monday, January 8, 2018

Aggressive wild turkeys are preventing postal carriers in Rocky River,
Ohio, from delivering mail to over two dozen homes in the area.

Several residents of the Cleveland suburb have had to pick up their mail at
the post office because the turkeys have created dangerous conditions for
the mail carriers.

Under its rules, the city is not allowed to get rid of the turkeys,
according to Rocky River Mayor Pam Bobst.

Rocky River has asked people to stop putting out bird feed, which could be
attracting the animals.

Some carriers have been pecked by the birds, but none has been injured,
according to a U.S. Postal Service spokesman (Associated Press
,
Jan. 7). *— CS*

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
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> The vultures are here seasonally - I throw the dead squirrels out beside
> the road for them to clean up, but they aren't here in the winter.
> Something does carry them off though, they are rarely there the next
> morning.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:34 PM, fmiser via Mercedes <
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>
> > > Dan wrote:
> >
> > > As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which
> > > perform an amazing community service by clearing roads and
> > > pretty much and open areas of dead animals.
> >
> > Is that year 'round?  Or are there more of them in the winter?
> > I'm asking because most of the turkey vultures around here depart
> > for the winter.  A sure sign of spring is their return.
> >
> > And speaking of raptors, a couple days ago I saw an american
> > kestrel kiting near the road, and a few minutes later a bald eagle
> > flew over.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

2018-01-08 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

The vultures are here seasonally - I throw the dead squirrels out beside
the road for them to clean up, but they aren't here in the winter.
Something does carry them off though, they are rarely there the next
morning.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:34 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Dan wrote:
>
> > As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which
> > perform an amazing community service by clearing roads and
> > pretty much and open areas of dead animals.
>
> Is that year 'round?  Or are there more of them in the winter?
> I'm asking because most of the turkey vultures around here depart
> for the winter.  A sure sign of spring is their return.
>
> And speaking of raptors, a couple days ago I saw an american
> kestrel kiting near the road, and a few minutes later a bald eagle
> flew over.
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Re: [MBZ] Battery voltmeter-indicator

2018-01-08 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

I have one of these (or one like it) in the airplane:
https://www.banggood.com/DC-0-100V-Blue-LED-Digital-Mini-Voltmeter-Gauge-Voltage-Panel-Meter-p-950009.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN
I find it more useful than the ammeter for telling me that the charging
system is working, and how effective it is. I'll probably add one to the
Ford soon, since it's out of warranty, and my wife doesn't care how I hack
it up. I also find it easier to read the big digital numbers at a glance
than trying to see if a needle is on the right or left side of a line with
a small number on it. This could also be because both the analog ammeter
and the digital voltmeter are on the far right side of the instrument
panel. So no, I'm not monitoring battery state - cranking the starter tells
me that, I'm monitoring the charging system.

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>
> > On January 8, 2018 at 12:39 PM fmiser via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > It could be useful to check the battery voltage when the car is
> > off...
>
>
> When it's been off for a few hours is the only time you can use the
> voltage to predict state of charge.
>
> At the Honda dealer in the 1980s, I had a Yuasa battery meter, which was
> just a digital voltmeter with a state of charge chart printed on the back.
> The neatest feature was that the ground electrode was like a pencil point
> projecting from the bottom of the meter, so you'd hold the meter against
> the battery terminal with one hand while holding the hot wire against the
> positive terminal with the other hand.
> Anyway, the chart was linear, with 12.0v at 0%, 12.6v at 100%, and 12.3v
> at 50% state of charge. New batteries generally read about 12.76v after you
> filled them and charged them overnight.
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Re: [MBZ] Battery storage

2018-01-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On January 7, 2018 at 11:44 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> To date, just a temp solar install with 6KW to cover immediate needs while
> other construction is under way. Final plan is to have 18+ KW total, but
> that is pushed out likely till next year.
> I'll post progress as it comes together.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

2018-01-08 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

In nature, nothing goes to waste everything gets recycled in its own
way.
Nature, is very efficient.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I guess coyotes fill the void.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > They smell the decay scents and find whatever is emitting it, so it
> > usually takes a coupla days to get their attention, sometimes sooner in
> the
> > heat.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/8/18 1:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> One wonders whether vultures will go after an injured critter, or does
> it
> >> have to be fully dead?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which perform an
> >>> amazing community service by clearing roads and pretty much and open
> >>> areas
> >>> of dead animals.  They’re amazingly efficient, typically clearing a
> >>> carcass
> >>> in a matter of hours.  I can see a dead possum or armadillo freshly
> >>> deceased on the road when I go out in the morning and there will be no
> >>> trace of it when I come home in the afternoon.
> >>>
> >>> In the north our road and highway crews were often tasked with clearing
> >>> such stuff as a part of their jobs. Not necessary here.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 8, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> 
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Then what did they do?  Leave it for the vultures?  Just curious.
> 
>  On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I might have related the story of the father and daughter in Texas who
> >
>  had
> >>>
>  gone out to hunt boars and after some time came back empty handed.
> They
> > were loading up the truck and one comes strolling across the dirt
> road
> > right in front of the truck, the little girl who I remember being
> maybe
> >
>  10
> >>>
>  or 12 grabs her rifle and shoots the thing right there like 30ft away.
> > They took a picture of it, the thing was absolutely monstrous, not
> one
> >
>  of
> >>>
>  these little porkers you see running around but a full-grown several
> > hundred pounder.  Massive.  The little girl was quite proud.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 1/5/18 6:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> They are extremely dangerous to hunt, the trapper told me.  He said
> >>
> > they
> >>>
>  will turn on you in a heartbeat and if you’re not ready to pull the
> >>
> > trigger
> >>>
>  or you don’t make a good kill shot, you’re next.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 5, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I've got a cousin in Texas, need to get him to take me on a boar
> >>> hunt.
> >>> We don't have any up here...
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

Thanks.  I guess coyotes fill the void.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They smell the decay scents and find whatever is emitting it, so it
> usually takes a coupla days to get their attention, sometimes sooner in the
> heat.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 1/8/18 1:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> One wonders whether vultures will go after an injured critter, or does it
>> have to be fully dead?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which perform an
>>> amazing community service by clearing roads and pretty much and open
>>> areas
>>> of dead animals.  They’re amazingly efficient, typically clearing a
>>> carcass
>>> in a matter of hours.  I can see a dead possum or armadillo freshly
>>> deceased on the road when I go out in the morning and there will be no
>>> trace of it when I come home in the afternoon.
>>>
>>> In the north our road and highway crews were often tasked with clearing
>>> such stuff as a part of their jobs. Not necessary here.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 Then what did they do?  Leave it for the vultures?  Just curious.

 On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 I might have related the story of the father and daughter in Texas who
>
 had
>>>
 gone out to hunt boars and after some time came back empty handed.  They
> were loading up the truck and one comes strolling across the dirt road
> right in front of the truck, the little girl who I remember being maybe
>
 10
>>>
 or 12 grabs her rifle and shoots the thing right there like 30ft away.
> They took a picture of it, the thing was absolutely monstrous, not one
>
 of
>>>
 these little porkers you see running around but a full-grown several
> hundred pounder.  Massive.  The little girl was quite proud.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 1/5/18 6:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> They are extremely dangerous to hunt, the trapper told me.  He said
>>
> they
>>>
 will turn on you in a heartbeat and if you’re not ready to pull the
>>
> trigger
>>>
 or you don’t make a good kill shot, you’re next.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got a cousin in Texas, need to get him to take me on a boar
>>> hunt.
>>> We don't have any up here...
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

They smell the decay scents and find whatever is emitting it, so it 
usually takes a coupla days to get their attention, sometimes sooner in 
the heat.


--FT


On 1/8/18 1:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

One wonders whether vultures will go after an injured critter, or does it
have to be fully dead?

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which perform an
amazing community service by clearing roads and pretty much and open areas
of dead animals.  They’re amazingly efficient, typically clearing a carcass
in a matter of hours.  I can see a dead possum or armadillo freshly
deceased on the road when I go out in the morning and there will be no
trace of it when I come home in the afternoon.

In the north our road and highway crews were often tasked with clearing
such stuff as a part of their jobs. Not necessary here.

-D


On Jan 8, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Then what did they do?  Leave it for the vultures?  Just curious.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I might have related the story of the father and daughter in Texas who

had

gone out to hunt boars and after some time came back empty handed.  They
were loading up the truck and one comes strolling across the dirt road
right in front of the truck, the little girl who I remember being maybe

10

or 12 grabs her rifle and shoots the thing right there like 30ft away.
They took a picture of it, the thing was absolutely monstrous, not one

of

these little porkers you see running around but a full-grown several
hundred pounder.  Massive.  The little girl was quite proud.

--FT



On 1/5/18 6:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

They are extremely dangerous to hunt, the trapper told me.  He said

they

will turn on you in a heartbeat and if you’re not ready to pull the

trigger

or you don’t make a good kill shot, you’re next.

-D


On Jan 5, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I've got a cousin in Texas, need to get him to take me on a boar hunt.
We don't have any up here...
-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

Maybe they left some bits for the clean-up crews after they butchered it 
and took it home, where it probably went on the smoke for a half day or so


--FT


On 1/8/18 12:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Then what did they do?  Leave it for the vultures? Just curious.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


I might have related the story of the father and daughter in Texas
who had gone out to hunt boars and after some time came back empty
handed.  They were loading up the truck and one comes strolling
across the dirt road right in front of the truck, the little girl
who I remember being maybe 10 or 12 grabs her rifle and shoots the
thing right there like 30ft away. They took a picture of it, the
thing was absolutely monstrous, not one of these little porkers
you see running around but a full-grown several hundred pounder. 
Massive. The little girl was quite proud.

--FT


On 1/5/18 6:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

They are extremely dangerous to hunt, the trapper told me.  He
said they will turn on you in a heartbeat and if you’re not
ready to pull the trigger or you don’t make a good kill shot,
you’re next.

-D


On Jan 5, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I've got a cousin in Texas, need to get him to take me on
a boar hunt. We don't have any up here...
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

> Dan wrote:

> As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which
> perform an amazing community service by clearing roads and
> pretty much and open areas of dead animals.

Is that year 'round?  Or are there more of them in the winter?
I'm asking because most of the turkey vultures around here depart
for the winter.  A sure sign of spring is their return.

And speaking of raptors, a couple days ago I saw an american
kestrel kiting near the road, and a few minutes later a bald eagle
flew over.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

One wonders whether vultures will go after an injured critter, or does it
have to be fully dead?

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which perform an
> amazing community service by clearing roads and pretty much and open areas
> of dead animals.  They’re amazingly efficient, typically clearing a carcass
> in a matter of hours.  I can see a dead possum or armadillo freshly
> deceased on the road when I go out in the morning and there will be no
> trace of it when I come home in the afternoon.
>
> In the north our road and highway crews were often tasked with clearing
> such stuff as a part of their jobs. Not necessary here.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 8, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Then what did they do?  Leave it for the vultures?  Just curious.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I might have related the story of the father and daughter in Texas who
> had
> >> gone out to hunt boars and after some time came back empty handed.  They
> >> were loading up the truck and one comes strolling across the dirt road
> >> right in front of the truck, the little girl who I remember being maybe
> 10
> >> or 12 grabs her rifle and shoots the thing right there like 30ft away.
> >> They took a picture of it, the thing was absolutely monstrous, not one
> of
> >> these little porkers you see running around but a full-grown several
> >> hundred pounder.  Massive.  The little girl was quite proud.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 1/5/18 6:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> They are extremely dangerous to hunt, the trapper told me.  He said
> they
> >>> will turn on you in a heartbeat and if you’re not ready to pull the
> trigger
> >>> or you don’t make a good kill shot, you’re next.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I've got a cousin in Texas, need to get him to take me on a boar hunt.
>  We don't have any up here...
>  -Curt
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

As in Tejas, we have large groups of turkey vultures, which perform an amazing 
community service by clearing roads and pretty much and open areas of dead 
animals.  They’re amazingly efficient, typically clearing a carcass in a matter 
of hours.  I can see a dead possum or armadillo freshly deceased on the road 
when I go out in the morning and there will be no trace of it when I come home 
in the afternoon.

In the north our road and highway crews were often tasked with clearing such 
stuff as a part of their jobs. Not necessary here.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Then what did they do?  Leave it for the vultures?  Just curious.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I might have related the story of the father and daughter in Texas who had
>> gone out to hunt boars and after some time came back empty handed.  They
>> were loading up the truck and one comes strolling across the dirt road
>> right in front of the truck, the little girl who I remember being maybe 10
>> or 12 grabs her rifle and shoots the thing right there like 30ft away.
>> They took a picture of it, the thing was absolutely monstrous, not one of
>> these little porkers you see running around but a full-grown several
>> hundred pounder.  Massive.  The little girl was quite proud.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/5/18 6:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are extremely dangerous to hunt, the trapper told me.  He said they
>>> will turn on you in a heartbeat and if you’re not ready to pull the trigger
>>> or you don’t make a good kill shot, you’re next.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I've got a cousin in Texas, need to get him to take me on a boar hunt.
 We don't have any up here...
 -Curt
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Battery voltmeter-indicator

2018-01-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On January 8, 2018 at 12:39 PM fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> It could be useful to check the battery voltage when the car is
> off...

When it's been off for a few hours is the only time you can use the voltage to 
predict state of charge. 

At the Honda dealer in the 1980s, I had a Yuasa battery meter, which was just a 
digital voltmeter with a state of charge chart printed on the back. 
The neatest feature was that the ground electrode was like a pencil point 
projecting from the bottom of the meter, so you'd hold the meter against the 
battery terminal with one hand while holding the hot wire against the positive 
terminal with the other hand. 
Anyway, the chart was linear, with 12.0v at 0%, 12.6v at 100%, and 12.3v at 50% 
state of charge. New batteries generally read about 12.76v after you filled 
them and charged them overnight.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

Then what did they do?  Leave it for the vultures?  Just curious.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I might have related the story of the father and daughter in Texas who had
> gone out to hunt boars and after some time came back empty handed.  They
> were loading up the truck and one comes strolling across the dirt road
> right in front of the truck, the little girl who I remember being maybe 10
> or 12 grabs her rifle and shoots the thing right there like 30ft away.
> They took a picture of it, the thing was absolutely monstrous, not one of
> these little porkers you see running around but a full-grown several
> hundred pounder.  Massive.  The little girl was quite proud.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 1/5/18 6:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> They are extremely dangerous to hunt, the trapper told me.  He said they
>> will turn on you in a heartbeat and if you’re not ready to pull the trigger
>> or you don’t make a good kill shot, you’re next.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got a cousin in Texas, need to get him to take me on a boar hunt.
>>> We don't have any up here...
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

I might have related the story of the father and daughter in Texas who 
had gone out to hunt boars and after some time came back empty handed.  
They were loading up the truck and one comes strolling across the dirt 
road right in front of the truck, the little girl who I remember being 
maybe 10 or 12 grabs her rifle and shoots the thing right there like 
30ft away.  They took a picture of it, the thing was absolutely 
monstrous, not one of these little porkers you see running around but a 
full-grown several hundred pounder.  Massive.  The little girl was quite 
proud.


--FT


On 1/5/18 6:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

They are extremely dangerous to hunt, the trapper told me.  He said they will 
turn on you in a heartbeat and if you’re not ready to pull the trigger or you 
don’t make a good kill shot, you’re next.

-D



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wrote:

I've got a cousin in Texas, need to get him to take me on a boar hunt. We don't 
have any up here...
-Curt


 

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Re: [MBZ] Battery voltmeter-indicator

> Curley wrote:

> I wonder if this would be useful on one of our old cars?

My opinion?  Not very.  Best I can tell in reading the copy is it
is a digital volt meter.  I'm not fond of digital gauges because I
don't scan them as easily.

The percent-of-full is not going to be very useful since it seems
to be simply a voltage report.  And so if the blower fan, and
headlights, and wipers are on it will be showing less than 100%
even when all is well.

It could be useful to check the battery voltage when the car is
off...

> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost

2018-01-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

More than the gassers, which cost:
BASE PRICES: XL, $28,675;
XLT, $34,265;
Lariat, $41,980;
King Ranch, $52,895;
Platinum, $55,450;
Limited, $61,815

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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost

I think that a diesel 1/2 ton was in the plans long ago but got delayed 
due to the economy etc. When the US economy went into the dumpster a few 
years back, the car companies dropped plans for a bunch of stuff.


RB

On 08/01/2018 10:49 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
FINALLY! Somebody figgered out there is a market for a 6 cyl 3 liter 
turbodiesel  in the van/light truck market.  (but only as everyone 
else abandons Diesels)

Too bad it is a moronic V6 instead of a straight 6.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 8, 2018 at 10:41 AM
https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-f-150-diesel-should-score-30-mpg-highway-1821871761 



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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost


Many of us on this list like the old diesels for good reason.
Unfortunately, newer diesels seem to cost an arm and a leg to maintain. 
The bigger diesels in the F250 and F350 are expensive to maintain and 
very expensive to repair when things go bad. It would be nice to have 
the torque and fuel economy that this new F150 offers but I think I 
would want to wait a bit to see if they are a good motor.
I think that the Dodge 1/2 ton with the diesel tends to be offered only 
in the very expensive top of the line models. That may be just an early 
on thing where the company and the dealers are taking advantage of the 
demand but I suspect the same will happen with the Ford.


RB

On 08/01/2018 10:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-f-150-diesel-should-score-30-mpg-highway-1821871761 



--FT




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Re: [MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost

FINALLY!  Somebody figgered out there is a market for a 6 cyl 3 liter 
turbodiesel  in the van/light truck market.  (but only as everyone else 
abandons Diesels)

Too bad it is a moronic V6 instead of a straight 6.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 8, 2018 at 10:41 AM
https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-f-150-diesel-should-score-30-mpg-highway-1821871761 



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[MBZ] OT Wonder what these will cost


https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-f-150-diesel-should-score-30-mpg-highway-1821871761

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] E320 winter beater?

2018-01-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Yesterday I put the transmission oil in the car, started it, and checked
for leaks. Nothing that I could see. I put the car in gear, and it was
UN-happy. The stability control system doesn't like free-wheeling, and got
angry and started hitting brakes, etc. trying to keep all four wheels
rolling together. It seemed to have at least a bit of power when I had it
fight the brakes, so we lowered the car and went for a test drive. It
worked great, at least at first. We went up the icy hill to start, and the
traction control system was doing its thing. We went down and the ABS
worked when I tested it. Off we went down the main road, and it was clear
that the transmission was not shifting, so it was probably stuck in the 2&R
limp-home mode. That's OK, we probably just need to clear the codes, but
when we turned around to go back, slightly uphill, it decoupled, and the
whine was back. If I restarted the car I could get it to go for a little
bit before it got upset and decoupled again, and we'd roll to a stop. We
were able to limp nearly home before even that stopped working, so Daniel
and I just got the truck and the tow strap and dragged it the rest of the
way. This is extremely disheartening!

If I understand correctly, this is exactly what it was doing for the
previous owner.

...Later in the evening I did the adaptive transmission reset (key on,
floored for 5 seconds, key off and wait quietly until the dash lights all
go out, about 2 minutes) and was able to start the car and move it into its
proper place. It was still whining, though.  Not Good.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OM352 LA


https://www.barringtondieselclub.co.za/mercedes/352.html

Manuals are there to download.  Just scroll down


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
January 8, 2018 at 8:00 AM
Does anybody have access to manuals for big Mercedes engines? The 
Pisten Bully has an OM352 LA straight 6. Last night it occurred to me 
to ask if anybody had ever set the valves, in nearly 800 hours of run 
time it would appear the answer is no...
The Wikipedia article gives specs which suggests they ought to be 
adjusted. At the next service we plan to give it a try...


Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OM352 LA

2018-01-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

The SEE that the USGovt bought is an OM352-equpped Unimog.  Its manuals
should be readily available to the public.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Oil filler cap gasket

2018-01-08 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

Yeah, I think this came up when I had the 300D.  Good gas cap, leaky valve 
cover filler cap.  I recall ordering the seal from the dealer, it was just a 
couple of bucks.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan, the peach parts thread I was thinking of agrees with you - the blue
> gas cap seal is a viable replacement.
> 
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/374871-why-oil-caps-always-seem-leak.html
> 
> If the replacement seal doesn't fix it, the thread above and this thread
> with pix explain why:
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/2544089-steel-oil-cap-dissection.html
> 
> Another rubber seal inside the cap is probably rock hard and no longer
> sealing.
> 
> Solution: get a new oil cap, probably only plastic caps are available.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
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> 
>> For some reason I recall the old gas caps with the wide blue seal also
>> worked as valve  cover oil filler caps, too.
>> 
>> The seal was a service part as well.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil filler cap gasket

2018-01-08 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Dan, the peach parts thread I was thinking of agrees with you - the blue
gas cap seal is a viable replacement.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/374871-why-oil-caps-always-seem-leak.html

If the replacement seal doesn't fix it, the thread above and this thread
with pix explain why:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/2544089-steel-oil-cap-dissection.html

Another rubber seal inside the cap is probably rock hard and no longer
sealing.

Solution: get a new oil cap, probably only plastic caps are available.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> For some reason I recall the old gas caps with the wide blue seal also
> worked as valve  cover oil filler caps, too.
>
> The seal was a service part as well.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Oil filler cap gasket

2018-01-08 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

For some reason I recall the old gas caps with the wide blue seal also worked 
as valve  cover oil filler caps, too.

The seal was a service part as well.

-D

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 12:11 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> thank you.  I will measure the remains of the old one.
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 1110180080 47.5mm, 1020180380 38.5mm
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/6/2018 10:01 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I have never liked the new Prastik caps.  On Allen I switched the 
>>> newfangled cap for the old metal one.  This one leaks oil bad.  Somebody 
>>> said I should flip the gasket over, because the one side gets a 
>>> compression, but the other side will not have the issue.  I gave that a 
>>> try, but the gasket had turned into a solid, and came out in chunks.  SO 
>>> now I have the new cap on until I can find a new seal.
>>> 
>>> New cap has these thin seals, while the old metal one has a wider seal.  
>>> Anybody know a part number for the older type?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>>> 
>>> retired models-
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>> 
>>> 
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