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Amazing car, even has a divider window. This should bring some serious coin.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-mercedes-benz-300se-2/

-D

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Re: [MBZ] 300SE LWB

I need that.  Hire a driver, get a uniform with lots of gold braid and 
brushes on the shoulders and medals and ribbons, and a very tall peaked 
hat.  Maybe a parrot to ride on my shoulder.


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On 6/11/19 7:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Amazing car, even has a divider window. This should bring some serious coin.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-mercedes-benz-300se-2/

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[MBZ] OT This is what I'm talkin about right up in here


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/663414704117988/

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[MBZ] Cheap SLK stick


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/311437706433668/

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap SLK stick

That’s a pretty decent throwaway ride if the hydraulics aren’t toast. Interior 
plastics on these failed miserably, so if you can get past the cosmetics you 
can often get some pretty good deals on one.

Sticks are pretty rare, too.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT This is what I'm talkin about right up in here

“Lifted up I’m on my way”

I have to admit they did a nice job on the lift. Can’t imagine what it would be 
like to drive that with the center of gravity being so high, though.

-D

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[MBZ] What's Wrong With It?

Something fishy here. Pano top is worth $3k by itself. Strange.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/856214971379179/

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Re: [MBZ] OT This is what I'm talkin about right up in here

I'm thinking it needs a 4WD conversion from a truck.  Plenty of room 
with the lift.


--FT

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“Lifted up I’m on my way”

I have to admit they did a nice job on the lift. Can’t imagine what it would be 
like to drive that with the center of gravity being so high, though.

-D


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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/663414704117988/

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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

That was my other worry. Real small needle 
nose plier with not much grip and a small 
screw driver to pry with. I would have send 
the whole thing to a gauge rebuilder to do. 
I'm not too good at the delicate stuff.


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Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

These have been around in various firms for a while. They’re tricky to install 
as you have to remove your gauge needles, which can be difficult at best.

-D


On Jun 10, 2019, at 9:57 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:

Just came across this item on Ebay. He has others also. Thinking about it but 
then where does one get the glow pointers to go with the gauges?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr


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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

The biggest issue I’ve heard form people who have done this sort of 
modification is getting the “rest” position correct. Apparently there is slight 
pressure on the speedo need to keep it on the rest pin, and if that’s not right 
it doesn’t indicate properly.

At least that’s what I recall from when I read some experiences from people who 
did the backlit faces for SL500s, I think….

-D


> On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:41 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> That was my other worry. Real small needle nose plier with not much grip and 
> a small screw driver to pry with. I would have send the whole thing to a 
> gauge rebuilder to do. I'm not too good at the delicate stuff.
> 
> MG
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> These have been around in various firms for a while. They’re tricky to 
>> install as you have to remove your gauge needles, which can be difficult at 
>> best.
>> -D
>>> On Jun 10, 2019, at 9:57 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just came across this item on Ebay. He has others also. Thinking about it 
>>> but then where does one get the glow pointers to go with the gauges?
>>> 
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

2019-06-11 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

Your effort is much better spent just cleaning up the cluster and the
rheostat to ensure you're getting all you can out of the original setup.
Embrace the originality of dim instruments!  Other efforts will just result
in reduction in value of the car, and indirectly shortening its overall
life.

Jaime

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes 
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> Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
> others also. Thinking about it but then where
> does one get the glow pointers to go with the
> gauges?
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

I also like to paint the gauge needles. I bought a bottle of the paint a while 
back and it’s a lifetime supply. It’s easy to do (just slide a note card under 
the needle) and give it a couple of coats over a few hours. Really makes the 
gauges “pop” with new paint on the needles.

-D


> On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> 
> Your effort is much better spent just cleaning up the cluster and the
> rheostat to ensure you're getting all you can out of the original setup.
> Embrace the originality of dim instruments!  Other efforts will just result
> in reduction in value of the car, and indirectly shortening its overall
> life.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
>> others also. Thinking about it but then where
>> does one get the glow pointers to go with the
>> gauges?
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

2019-06-11 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

Oh Dan... something I disagree with you on!  I can't encourage this
behavior.  Back in the day Dickarde posted about some hobby paint that was
a perfect match and that still lives on on the internet today.  I've seen
cars people have painted the needles florescent orange as a result and they
look terrible.  Even new old start gauges didn't have very bright needles.
They do fade, but not as badly as most people think.

Again, I say embrace the fact that they're old cars and leave them alone.

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:02 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> I also like to paint the gauge needles. I bought a bottle of the paint a
> while back and it’s a lifetime supply. It’s easy to do (just slide a note
> card under the needle) and give it a couple of coats over a few hours.
> Really makes the gauges “pop” with new paint on the needles.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Your effort is much better spent just cleaning up the cluster and the
> > rheostat to ensure you're getting all you can out of the original setup.
> > Embrace the originality of dim instruments!  Other efforts will just
> result
> > in reduction in value of the car, and indirectly shortening its overall
> > life.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
> >> others also. Thinking about it but then where
> >> does one get the glow pointers to go with the
> >> gauges?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] Trimmer mowers

Use one of those U bolts and two old kids 
bike learner wheels back to back on the shaft 
of your trimmer and you should be good to go.


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Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Anybody have any experience with these sorts of things?

https://www.lowes.com/search?searchTerm=trimmer+mower

Thinking about getting one to trim around and in between cars out in the back 40
As well as the front 40, and also mowing down the weeds in the ditches out from and long the fence lines. It is really too much work for using a normal weed eater which kills my back. 


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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

No biggie.  If you’re looking for patina, sure, I understand. I’ve done it on a 
couple of cars and was really pleased with the result. None of them were older 
models, I don’t believe. I think the last one I did was the 400E.

-D

 
> On Jun 11, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> 
> Oh Dan... something I disagree with you on!  I can't encourage this behavior. 
>  Back in the day Dickarde posted about some hobby paint that was a perfect 
> match and that still lives on on the internet today.  I've seen cars people 
> have painted the needles florescent orange as a result and they look 
> terrible.  Even new old start gauges didn't have very bright needles.  They 
> do fade, but not as badly as most people think.
> 
> Again, I say embrace the fact that they're old cars and leave them alone.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:02 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I also like to paint the gauge needles. I bought a bottle of the paint a 
> while back and it’s a lifetime supply. It’s easy to do (just slide a note 
> card under the needle) and give it a couple of coats over a few hours. Really 
> makes the gauges “pop” with new paint on the needles.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Your effort is much better spent just cleaning up the cluster and the
> > rheostat to ensure you're getting all you can out of the original setup.
> > Embrace the originality of dim instruments!  Other efforts will just result
> > in reduction in value of the car, and indirectly shortening its overall
> > life.
> > 
> > Jaime
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes  > >
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
> >> others also. Thinking about it but then where
> >> does one get the glow pointers to go with the
> >> gauges?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] What's Wrong With It?

2019-06-11 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

I should buy that, respray this top I got recently, sell the car then the top 
separately. Or put it on my car then sell my top. 

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> 
> Something fishy here. Pano top is worth $3k by itself. Strange.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/856214971379179/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

2019-06-11 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

This is a good example of needle painting gone wrong:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-12/

Its also a good example of crazy pricing on BaT.  I did work on this car
and didn't think it was that nice.  Lots of stuff pointed to someone who
didn't know what they were doing working on the car.  Poorly restuffed
seat, cheap shocks, painted needles... oh and that rocker arm shaft that
came loose.  Lots of good intentions that were probably better left
original.

And it sold for $18,750 so what do I know?!

Jaime


On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:33 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No biggie.  If you’re looking for patina, sure, I understand. I’ve done it
> on a couple of cars and was really pleased with the result. None of them
> were older models, I don’t believe. I think the last one I did was the 400E.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jun 11, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Jaime Kopchinski 
> wrote:
> >
> > Oh Dan... something I disagree with you on!  I can't encourage this
> behavior.  Back in the day Dickarde posted about some hobby paint that was
> a perfect match and that still lives on on the internet today.  I've seen
> cars people have painted the needles florescent orange as a result and they
> look terrible.  Even new old start gauges didn't have very bright needles.
> They do fade, but not as badly as most people think.
> >
> > Again, I say embrace the fact that they're old cars and leave them alone.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:02 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > I also like to paint the gauge needles. I bought a bottle of the paint a
> while back and it’s a lifetime supply. It’s easy to do (just slide a note
> card under the needle) and give it a couple of coats over a few hours.
> Really makes the gauges “pop” with new paint on the needles.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Your effort is much better spent just cleaning up the cluster and the
> > > rheostat to ensure you're getting all you can out of the original
> setup.
> > > Embrace the originality of dim instruments!  Other efforts will just
> result
> > > in reduction in value of the car, and indirectly shortening its overall
> > > life.
> > >
> > > Jaime
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
> > >> others also. Thinking about it but then where
> > >> does one get the glow pointers to go with the
> > >> gauges?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
> <
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Re: [MBZ] What's Wrong With It?

That top is worth $3k, I kid you not.  There was a guy in Argentina that bought 
one a while back on BW. Had it shipped to SA he wanted one so badly. They go 
quick when they come up for sale.

-D


> On Jun 11, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> I should buy that, respray this top I got recently, sell the car then the top 
> separately. Or put it on my car then sell my top. 
> 
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>> 
>> Something fishy here. Pano top is worth $3k by itself. Strange.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/856214971379179/
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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

W123 wagons seem to be becoming the VW transporters of the Mercedes world. Why, 
I have no idea. People are paying stupid crazy money for these cars in marginal 
condition.

I’m loving that W111 auction right now. I think it’s up to $26k.

-D



> On Jun 11, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a good example of needle painting gone wrong:
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-12/ 
> 
> 
> Its also a good example of crazy pricing on BaT.  I did work on this car
> and didn't think it was that nice.  Lots of stuff pointed to someone who
> didn't know what they were doing working on the car.  Poorly restuffed
> seat, cheap shocks, painted needles... oh and that rocker arm shaft that
> came loose.  Lots of good intentions that were probably better left
> original.
> 
> And it sold for $18,750 so what do I know?!
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
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> 
>> No biggie.  If you’re looking for patina, sure, I understand. I’ve done it
>> on a couple of cars and was really pleased with the result. None of them
>> were older models, I don’t believe. I think the last one I did was the 400E.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Jaime Kopchinski 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh Dan... something I disagree with you on!  I can't encourage this
>> behavior.  Back in the day Dickarde posted about some hobby paint that was
>> a perfect match and that still lives on on the internet today.  I've seen
>> cars people have painted the needles florescent orange as a result and they
>> look terrible.  Even new old start gauges didn't have very bright needles.
>> They do fade, but not as badly as most people think.
>>> 
>>> Again, I say embrace the fact that they're old cars and leave them alone.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:02 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com  
>> >> wrote:
>>> I also like to paint the gauge needles. I bought a bottle of the paint a
>> while back and it’s a lifetime supply. It’s easy to do (just slide a note
>> card under the needle) and give it a couple of coats over a few hours.
>> Really makes the gauges “pop” with new paint on the needles.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com  
>> >> wrote:
 
 Your effort is much better spent just cleaning up the cluster and the
 rheostat to ensure you're getting all you can out of the original
>> setup.
 Embrace the originality of dim instruments!  Other efforts will just
>> result
 in reduction in value of the car, and indirectly shortening its overall
 life.
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes >>> 
>> >>
 wrote:
 
> Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
> others also. Thinking about it but then where
> does one get the glow pointers to go with the
> gauges?
> 
> 
> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
>>  
>> 
>> <
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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 11:44:24 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
 wrote:

> This is a good example of needle painting gone wrong:
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-12/


I presume you mean:

https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1984_mercedes-benz_300td_turbo_15368656878764daDSC3161.jpg

and

https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1984_mercedes-benz_300td_turbo_1536865685ff9f98764daDSC3162.jpg




> Its also a good example of crazy pricing on BaT.  I did work on this car
> and didn't think it was that nice.  Lots of stuff pointed to someone who
> didn't know what they were doing working on the car.  Poorly restuffed
> seat, cheap shocks, painted needles... oh and that rocker arm shaft that
> came loose.  Lots of good intentions that were probably better left
> original.
> 
> And it sold for $18,750 so what do I know?!

What do any of us know?


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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

$18750? Holy cow.

I like 123s ok, I would not mind having an 83-85 turbo. I see them every now 
and then for $2-3k but I can never bring myself to spend that on a 123 when you 
can get a 210 for less 

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> On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a good example of needle painting gone wrong:
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-12/
> 
> Its also a good example of crazy pricing on BaT.  I did work on this car
> and didn't think it was that nice.  Lots of stuff pointed to someone who
> didn't know what they were doing working on the car.  Poorly restuffed
> seat, cheap shocks, painted needles... oh and that rocker arm shaft that
> came loose.  Lots of good intentions that were probably better left
> original.
> 
> And it sold for $18,750 so what do I know?!
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:33 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> No biggie.  If you’re looking for patina, sure, I understand. I’ve done it
>> on a couple of cars and was really pleased with the result. None of them
>> were older models, I don’t believe. I think the last one I did was the 400E.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Jaime Kopchinski 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh Dan... something I disagree with you on!  I can't encourage this
>> behavior.  Back in the day Dickarde posted about some hobby paint that was
>> a perfect match and that still lives on on the internet today.  I've seen
>> cars people have painted the needles florescent orange as a result and they
>> look terrible.  Even new old start gauges didn't have very bright needles.
>> They do fade, but not as badly as most people think.
>>> 
>>> Again, I say embrace the fact that they're old cars and leave them alone.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:02 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>> I also like to paint the gauge needles. I bought a bottle of the paint a
>> while back and it’s a lifetime supply. It’s easy to do (just slide a note
>> card under the needle) and give it a couple of coats over a few hours.
>> Really makes the gauges “pop” with new paint on the needles.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
 
 Your effort is much better spent just cleaning up the cluster and the
 rheostat to ensure you're getting all you can out of the original
>> setup.
 Embrace the originality of dim instruments!  Other efforts will just
>> result
 in reduction in value of the car, and indirectly shortening its overall
 life.
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes > >
 wrote:
 
> Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
> others also. Thinking about it but then where
> does one get the glow pointers to go with the
> gauges?
> 
> 
> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
>> <
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
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I believe so. The original face plate has a
small mark on the CCW side of the pin. I
think that is the starting point for the
pointer. At one time I lifted the needle over
the stop and that little mark was where it
sat. Can't remember if it was flat on it's
back or sitting up in the dash orientation.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The biggest issue I’ve heard form people who have done this sort of
modification is getting the “rest” position correct. Apparently there is slight
pressure on the speedo need to keep it on the rest pin, and if that’s not right
it doesn’t indicate properly.

At least that’s what I recall from when I read some experiences from people who
did the backlit faces for SL500s, I think….

-D

On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:41 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

That was my other worry. Real small needle nose plier with not much grip and a
small screw driver to pry with. I would have send the whole thing to a gauge
rebuilder to do. I'm not too good at the delicate stuff.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

These have been around in various firms for a while. They’re tricky to install
as you have to remove your gauge needles, which can be difficult at best.
-D

On Jun 10, 2019, at 9:57 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Just came across this item on Ebay. He has others also. Thinking about it but
then where does one get the glow pointers to go with the gauges?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr

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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

Already did that and even found some nice
bright LEDs to go in it. That helped quite a
bit and didn't cost but about 50 cents. Not
really important to me as far as the value
for someone else. I already put a steering
wheel from a 190 into it. It's a bit smaller
and feels a lot better in the
handling/steering of the car. It has a
quicker response feeling due to not having to
turn the wheel as far to do the same turn.

Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

Your effort is much better spent just cleaning up the cluster and the
rheostat to ensure you're getting all you can out of the original setup.
Embrace the originality of dim instruments! Other efforts will just result
in reduction in value of the car, and indirectly shortening its overall
life.

Jaime

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes
wrote:

Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
others also. Thinking about it but then where
does one get the glow pointers to go with the
gauges?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr

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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

Yup did that also when I bought it 100K ago
but they have since faded in the Fl sun.

Just now doing a complete front end job on
it. The ball joints are still OK but since
I'm there and everything else is getting
done..might as well.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I also like to paint the gauge needles. I bought a bottle of the paint a while
back and it’s a lifetime supply. It’s easy to do (just slide a note card under
the needle) and give it a couple of coats over a few hours. Really makes the
gauges “pop” with new paint on the needles.

-D

On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
wrote:

Jaime

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes
wrote:

Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
others also. Thinking about it but then where
does one get the glow pointers to go with the
gauges?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr

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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

I have to disagree Jaime. Before I did mine
they were almost white and now they have
gotten back to a yellow color from the orange
that I used. Still a bit better then they
were originally. I think it depends on where
you live and if the car is outside in the sun
all the time like mine is.

Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

Oh Dan... something I disagree with you on! I can't encourage this
behavior. Back in the day Dickarde posted about some hobby paint that was
a perfect match and that still lives on on the internet today. I've seen
cars people have painted the needles florescent orange as a result and they
look terrible. Even new old start gauges didn't have very bright needles.
They do fade, but not as badly as most people think.

Again, I say embrace the fact that they're old cars and leave them alone.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I also like to paint the gauge needles. I bought a bottle of the paint a
while back and it’s a lifetime supply. It’s easy to do (just slide a note
card under the needle) and give it a couple of coats over a few hours.
Really makes the gauges “pop” with new paint on the needles.

-D

On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

result

in reduction in value of the car, and indirectly shortening its overall
life.

Jaime

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:58 AM MG via Mercedes
wrote:

Just came across this item on Ebay. He has
others also. Thinking about it but then where
does one get the glow pointers to go with the
gauges?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr

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Re: [MBZ] Trimmer mowers

2019-06-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 We've got a weed eater at camp with a 3 bladed cutter on it. Its a straight 
shaft professional series Husqvarna with a harness so you carry the weight on 
your shoulders rather than in your arms. With the harness properly adjusted I 
can run it for hours without getting overly tired. Its one that Uncle Reg 
bought in the mid-'90s I think and still runs great. It'll easily cut through 
1" trees so you have to be very careful trimming around anything you want to 
keep...

-Curt

On Monday, June 10, 2019, 9:42:45 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 When you are tired of screwing around with stuff that breaks and works you
harder than it does, try one of these.
A bit spendy, but for a vast estate such as yours, with lots of stuff to
clear up between cars and fence rows, the pay back for having good
equipment would come sooner rather than later..

Weed whacker / string trimmer stuff drives you nuts just keeping string in
one, if you are covering more than a city lot.
The D R Mower folks have developed a hand operated BushHog on wheels that
is self propelled. pretty whip ass.

Have a look, might work for you.

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> I have a Sun Joe electric rechargeable which is amazing - runs for over an
> hour between charges - bags or mulches.
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 4:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> > Anybody have any experience with these sorts of things?
> >
> > https://www.lowes.com/search?searchTerm=trimmer+mower
> >
> > Thinking about getting one to trim around and in between cars out in the
> > back 40
> > As well as the front 40, and also mowing down the weeds in the ditches
> out
> > from and long the fence lines. It is really too much work for using a
> > normal weed eater which kills my back.
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Re: [MBZ] 210 washer fluid bottle

2019-06-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 I've got one of the HF plastic welders, the really cheap soldering iron type. 
A couple years ago I used it to weld up a broken gas tank filler on a 
snowmobile, its still holding... 
http://dswnewengland.blogspot.com/2017/02/gas-tank-welding.html
-Curt

On Monday, June 10, 2019, 11:30:26 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I’ve used RTV on washer bottles after cleaning them well, seems to hold up ok. 
Goop it on the inside and outside, work it into any cracks. It’s not easy 
getting it inside through the filler hole, use a dowel or something. It seems 
to stick to that plastic. 

HF sells some kind of plastic welder, I have no idea if that would work. 

--FT
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> On Jun 10, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> I have a couple of 210s with leaking washer fluid bottles.  They all seem to 
> start leaking out of the side where the bottom of heater sits in a little 
> notch for a lack of a better word.  Has anybody had any luck sealing these up 
> with some sort of silicone or one of the JB weld products?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT This is what I'm talkin about right up in here

2019-06-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

You need that to carry the beer to the mud bog races. It's a redneck chick
magnet vehicle.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:00 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I'm thinking it needs a 4WD conversion from a truck.  Plenty of room
> with the lift.
>
> --FT
>
> On 6/11/19 9:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > “Lifted up I’m on my way”
> >
> > I have to admit they did a nice job on the lift. Can’t imagine what it
> would be like to drive that with the center of gravity being so high,
> though.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jun 11, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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[MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It 
normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a 
while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has the 
separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been getting blue 
screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how old this system is 
I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD Phenom 2.7 ghz 
professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it seems to be running 
fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I can replace the power 
supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is not backed up which is not 
good. I think I should get a new replacement and clone the drive over to a new 
one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a whole new tower either a prebuilt 
one or build another one, or replace the motherboard too. Actually upon boot up 
I see the bios is dated 2011, so it is at least that old. 

I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something later 
on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is unless you 
people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many advancements in 
motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years? 

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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

I’m thinking I want to get a 1tb SSD to use as the primary drive but I am not 
sure about the interface these days. My current HDD is SATA, but I see SSD and 
HDD listed with SATA II and III. Is thing something new my motherboard might 
not support? I have not done anything with computer building in a long time. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It 
> normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a 
> while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has 
> the separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been getting 
> blue screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how old this 
> system is I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD Phenom 2.7 
> ghz professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it seems to be 
> running fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I can replace the 
> power supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is not backed up which 
> is not good. I think I should get a new replacement and clone the drive over 
> to a new one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a whole new tower either a 
> prebuilt one or build another one, or replace the motherboard too. Actually 
> upon boot up I see the bios is dated 2011, so it is at least that old. 
> 
> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something 
> later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is unless 
> you people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many 
> advancements in motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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[MBZ] SPAM RE: OT time to do something about by main desktop

2019-06-11 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

An SSD will increase your speed a lot, even if your MB will (likely) not 
support SATA III. IMO the sweet spot in SSD value is probably still 500GB. They 
say SSD is more reliable now than HDD.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

I’m thinking I want to get a 1tb SSD to use as the primary drive but I am not 
sure about the interface these days. My current HDD is SATA, but I see SSD and 
HDD listed with SATA II and III. Is thing something new my motherboard might 
not support? I have not done anything with computer building in a long time. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It 
> normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a 
> while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has 
> the separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been getting 
> blue screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how old this 
> system is I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD Phenom 2.7 
> ghz professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it seems to be 
> running fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I can replace the 
> power supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is not backed up which 
> is not good. I think I should get a new replacement and clone the drive over 
> to a new one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a whole new tower either a 
> prebuilt one or build another one, or replace the motherboard too. Actually 
> upon boot up I see the bios is dated 2011, so it is at least that old. 
> 
> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something 
> later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is unless 
> you people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many 
> advancements in motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

You can get an external case too for a HDD and if you need to back up 
the one you have now, you can get another HDD and put it in there for 
backup, or put your existing HDD in there and use another machine to 
back it up to something else (SSD in another external case?).  Those 
cases are cheap on Newegg, and are useful if you need to do something 
quick because your machine has died and you need to get at stuff on the HDD.


--FT

On 6/11/19 4:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I’m thinking I want to get a 1tb SSD to use as the primary drive but I am not 
sure about the interface these days. My current HDD is SATA, but I see SSD and 
HDD listed with SATA II and III. Is thing something new my motherboard might 
not support? I have not done anything with computer building in a long time.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 11, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:

I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It 
normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a 
while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has the 
separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been getting blue 
screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how old this system is 
I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD Phenom 2.7 ghz 
professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it seems to be running 
fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I can replace the power 
supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is not backed up which is not 
good. I think I should get a new replacement and clone the drive over to a new 
one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a whole new tower either a prebuilt 
one or build another one, or replace the motherboard too. Actually upon boot up 
I see the bios is dated 2011, so it is at least that old.

I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something later 
on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is unless you 
people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many advancements in 
motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years?

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

I think I’m going to clone the current HDD to a SSD and use it for the main 
drive. I will then leave the current HDD installed as an internal 2nd drive 
with its content as is.  I am not sure what size the current drive is but it 
has over 1tb free. I may end up getting a 3rd HDD and install in one of those 
external cases to use to do automatic backups of some sort 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You can get an external case too for a HDD and if you need to back up the one 
> you have now, you can get another HDD and put it in there for backup, or put 
> your existing HDD in there and use another machine to back it up to something 
> else (SSD in another external case?).  Those cases are cheap on Newegg, and 
> are useful if you need to do something quick because your machine has died 
> and you need to get at stuff on the HDD.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/11/19 4:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m thinking I want to get a 1tb SSD to use as the primary drive but I am 
>> not sure about the interface these days. My current HDD is SATA, but I see 
>> SSD and HDD listed with SATA II and III. Is thing something new my 
>> motherboard might not support? I have not done anything with computer 
>> building in a long time.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It 
>>> normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a 
>>> while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has 
>>> the separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been 
>>> getting blue screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how 
>>> old this system is I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD 
>>> Phenom 2.7 ghz professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it 
>>> seems to be running fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I 
>>> can replace the power supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is 
>>> not backed up which is not good. I think I should get a new replacement and 
>>> clone the drive over to a new one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a 
>>> whole new tower either a prebuilt one or build another one, or replace the 
>>> motherboard too. Actually upon boot up I see the bios is dated 2011, so it 
>>> is at least that old.
>>> 
>>> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something 
>>> later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is 
>>> unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many 
>>> advancements in motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

2019-06-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

> Real small needle nose plier with not much grip and a small screw driver to 
> pry with.

Two spoons, pry.  I have also painted needles, using a Tangerine paint that is 
a very
close match to (relatively) UN-faded needles.  The first one I did, I didn't 
paint all
the needles, just the ones on the sun-faded side.  Yes, there is a mark on the 
speedo
that represents the true zero when putting the needle back on.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

2019-06-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

I have been fairly happy with the 120G SSD's I used in our big systems,
the user files are still on big rotating media.  (Easy to do with Mac.)
Unless you're doing A/V production with lots of big files you probably
won't be able to detect any speed difference versus all-SSD, and it's
vastly cheaper.

I also basically don't trust SSD's, but they have their place.  I have a rant:

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/flash.html

All of our systems are backed up to RAID via Time Machine, and two
of the four 2T RAID slices are offline and offsite at any given time.
An old Mac Pro makes an _excellent_ backup server, and is cheap.
Just have it sleep when not being used, and the power consumption
isn't even all that bad.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Anybody need any dealership equipment?

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[MBZ] Finnie Fun is Baaaack!

Yup, out from under the ML and back to the finnie. Small steps, but important 
ones.

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/11_Im_Bck!.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:24:47 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If
> something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then.
> That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there
> been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last
> 8 or so years? 

Yes, there have been many advancements in motherboards and processors.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

More importantly, is there any reason to upgrade? If your current hardware 
serves your needs, why bother spending the money for a new motherboard or 
processor?

While there have been improvements over that time frame, the tasks you’re 
currently doing with your computer probably haven’t changed significantly.

-D


> On Jun 11, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:24:47 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If
>> something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then.
>> That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there
>> been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last
>> 8 or so years? 
> 
> Yes, there have been many advancements in motherboards and processors.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

2019-06-11 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

Actually, not so much.  

More custom chips to condense the hardware, but the processors haven't changed 
much in the last decade or so.  3 GHz is the operational limit for silicon 
without serious cooling (read liquid nitrogen) and eight cores seems to be the 
point at which task managing software eats so much overhead you don't get more 
processing power.

They use less power due to smaller chip count (and the new MBs are about the 
same size as a 5 1/4" hard drive) but circuitry wise they are very, very 
similar.

Mature technology, even the number of transistors per square inch isn't going 
up much these days.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun is Baaaack!

Nice.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 6:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yup, out from under the ML and back to the finnie. Small steps, but
> important ones.
>
> http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/11_Im_Bck!.html
>
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Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts


Its a new kind of ship in the Oklahoma Naval Reserve.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 10:17 PM:

I give up - what's R129?

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:42 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:


Channeling Wilton - "Attaboy"!

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 6:49 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


These are all fine and dandy ideas, guys, but since the mount is a rubber
part and there’s no way to gain any sort of purchase to speak of on the

top

side o fit when it’s installed, none of these suggestions are viable. And
yes, I used a punch to try and get things lined up, but as soon as I

would

withdraw it from the opening the mount would move back out of position.

Remember, you’re also working through an opening that’s about 1” in
diameter dealing with a hole that about 3” deep in the crossmember, too.

I ended up lifting the engine slightly, just enough to take some of the
weight off the mount,, then using a large crescent wrench on the bosses

of

the mount, pulling the mount over to line things up while simultaneously
running the bolt in with a long extension and a socket.

Took some major gyrating but it worked, that’s all that matters.

The car idles so nicely I can’t believe it. I think it would easily pass
the champagne glass test if the hood didn’t have such an angle to it.

-D



On Jun 8, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

An appropriate size hammer is often persuasive also.

Craig via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 6:31 PM:

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 18:07:26 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:


That is what tapered punches are for.

Iron workers regularly use a large version of that for lining things

up

right ...


Craig


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 9:28 AM:

Sounds like fun.  I hate it when things don't line up *quite* right

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Re: [MBZ] “Steam” cleaner


Call your local dry ice company.  Ye, it is great, but not cheap.

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 11:03 PM:

Just saw in the 129 FB group some German dude used a dry ice blaster to “steam” 
clean his 129. Apparently you can rent such things but they’re pretty spendy. 
He posted some pics, engine looked brand new.

Anyone know about this or have any experience with it?  I’ve seen these carpet 
cleaning outfits that use some kind of CO2 fluid to dry clean rugs  but this 
thing seems like a sand blaster using dry ice bits or something. Interesting 
concept. Seems like a great business idea.

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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

I ordered a new power supply, 1tb SSD, 2.5-3.5 drive bay adaptor, new SATA 
cable in case they are different for some reason. Looking at my motherboard I 
do have SATA 2 so at least that is better than SATA 1. Later on in the Mb blows 
up I will replace it. 

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> On Jun 11, 2019, at 5:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> More importantly, is there any reason to upgrade? If your current hardware 
> serves your needs, why bother spending the money for a new motherboard or 
> processor?
> 
> While there have been improvements over that time frame, the tasks you’re 
> currently doing with your computer probably haven’t changed significantly.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:24:47 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If
>>> something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then.
>>> That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there
>>> been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last
>>> 8 or so years? 
>> 
>> Yes, there have been many advancements in motherboards and processors.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

iIRC my current processor is a 6 core

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>  wrote:
> 
> Actually, not so much.  
> 
> More custom chips to condense the hardware, but the processors haven't 
> changed much in the last decade or so.  3 GHz is the operational limit for 
> silicon without serious cooling (read liquid nitrogen) and eight cores seems 
> to be the point at which task managing software eats so much overhead you 
> don't get more processing power.
> 
> They use less power due to smaller chip count (and the new MBs are about the 
> same size as a 5 1/4" hard drive) but circuitry wise they are very, very 
> similar.
> 
> Mature technology, even the number of transistors per square inch isn't going 
> up much these days.
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[MBZ] Chowdah cooker?

2019-06-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Maybe make a W123 version?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190611/b9c0207b6a8215ed2a77f9762c90068a.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 450SL C on BAT

2019-06-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Bid to only $10,500
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-450slc-8/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-06-10


On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 12:40 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
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> The burl wood looks like it has not been redone, and that is a big deal.
> Also, that does not look like champagne, it looks more like one of the
> beiges. Regardless, the only way a 450slc could be worth anywhere near this
> kind of money would be if it were in a really stunning color combination,
> such as diamond blue or maybe silver metallic with a blue interior.
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:27 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>
>> I don't if, you're a rich guy and don't really care that much, $35k is
>> peanuts I guess.  But for all that money it still looks a bit ratty.  I
>> see some pretty nice SLs (though not coupes) for sale in the $10k-$15k
>> range that would be nice cars.  Some guy pulled up behind me at Costco
>> gas a coupla weeks back in a new-looking 107, even to buy that car would
>> probably be nowhere near $35k.  But hey, it's their money and someone
>> else will get the benefit of the situation.
>>
>> Plus I just don't get the 107 coupe concept.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>> On 6/10/19 10:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Yeah, I don’t see them recouping the costs on this. Ouch.
>> >
>> > This is a good example of taking advantage of someone else’s poor
>> judgement...
>> >
>> > -D
>> >
>> >> On Jun 10, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> $35K spent on a total restoration.  OMG.
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun is Baaaack!

2019-06-11 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

That’s a nice looking radio. I could also care less about high fidelity. 

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> 
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> ones.
> 
> http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/11_Im_Bck!.html
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah cooker?

Well we make the,Chowdah @ home but this might be a good,way to steam the
little neck clams.  Maybe,Curt can Integrate this into his Coleman cooking.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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> Maybe make a W123 version?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun is Baaaack!

2019-06-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

What radio is in your brown W113, Dimitri?  Your 240D?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s a nice looking radio. I could also care less about high fidelity.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> important ones.
> >
> > http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/11_Im_Bck!.html
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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

Got me thinking:  Kleb and Dan and whoever else is on the fakebuch 123 
kiddie klub could have some fun raving about how they installed halogen 
bulbs in their instrument clusters.   something like orange halogen to 
be exotic might interest them.   Maybe you could get some melted 
dashes/clusters to keep them entertained and give them a real project to 
work on in place of putting exhaust through the hood.


Manfred, those faces would sure help with the dismal lighting in 123 
instruments!


MG via Mercedes wrote on 6/10/19 8:57 AM:
Just came across this item on Ebay. He has others also. Thinking about 
it but then where does one get the glow pointers to go with the gauges?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr 




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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?


At least on a 126, painting the needles orange makes them look better.

But the 123 cluster has dismal lighting, so these are of some interest.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 6/10/19 9:09 AM:

These have been around in various firms for a while. They’re tricky to install 
as you have to remove your gauge needles, which can be difficult at best.

-D





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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

2019-06-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 One of my instructor systems at work is at least 9 years old, HP XW8600, it 
still works good but we're looking at ending support for Windows 7 and I've got 
a system thats 2 generations newer so I'll probably switch to that.
Angie's business still runs on an XW8200 that I bought for work in 2006. I 
brought it home from the office when I replaced it with the XW8600 mentioned 
above. I thought we'd really gotten a good run out of it then...
-Curt

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 6:57:59 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 More importantly, is there any reason to upgrade? If your current hardware 
serves your needs, why bother spending the money for a new motherboard or 
processor?

While there have been improvements over that time frame, the tasks you’re 
currently doing with your computer probably haven’t changed significantly.

-D


> On Jun 11, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:24:47 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If
>> something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then.
>> That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there
>> been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last
>> 8 or so years? 
> 
> Yes, there have been many advancements in motherboards and processors.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] brighter gauges?

I have seen more 123 cars with exhaust pipes sticking out of the hood on that 
page in the last month than I have seen in the previous 30 years. 

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> On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Got me thinking:  Kleb and Dan and whoever else is on the fakebuch 123 kiddie 
> klub could have some fun raving about how they installed halogen bulbs in 
> their instrument clusters.   something like orange halogen to be exotic might 
> interest them.   Maybe you could get some melted dashes/clusters to keep them 
> entertained and give them a real project to work on in place of putting 
> exhaust through the hood.
> 
> Manfred, those faces would sure help with the dismal lighting in 123 
> instruments!
> 
> MG via Mercedes wrote on 6/10/19 8:57 AM:
>> Just came across this item on Ebay. He has others also. Thinking about it 
>> but then where does one get the glow pointers to go with the gauges?
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-design-2-glow-gauges-dials-plasma-dials-kit-tacho-glow-dash-shift/123103511547?hash=item1ca98a83fb:g:cjEAAOSw8e5a4zRb&vxp=mtr
>>  
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>> MG
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Re: [MBZ] 210 washer fluid bottle

I used the fiberglass/epoxy radiator tank repair kit from flaps.   Not 
pretty, but it worked.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 6/10/19 10:16 PM:
I have a couple of 210s with leaking washer fluid bottles.  They all 
seem to start leaking out of the side where the bottom of heater sits 
in a little notch for a lack of a better word.  Has anybody had any 
luck sealing these up with some sort of silicone or one of the JB weld 
products?



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Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun is Baaaack!

2019-06-11 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Why do you want a radio in a Mercedes? You should be revelling in the
precision mechanical hum of the engine,  tranny, etc.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> What radio is in your brown W113, Dimitri?  Your 240D?
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:13 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> That’s a nice looking radio. I could also care less about high fidelity.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 11, 2019, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yup, out from under the ML and back to the finnie. Small steps, but
>> important ones.
>> >
>> > http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/11_Im_Bck!.html
>> >
>> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] 210 washer fluid bottle

2019-06-11 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

I used a hot glue gun to repair leaking washer tanks in 124 and 126 cars.
It worked for years,  YMMV.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
wrote:
> I used the fiberglass/epoxy radiator tank repair kit from flaps.   Not
pretty, but it worked.
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 6/10/19 10:16 PM:
>>
>> I have a couple of 210s with leaking washer fluid bottles.  They all
seem to start leaking out of the side where the bottom of heater sits in a
little notch for a lack of a better word.  Has anybody had any luck sealing
these up with some sort of silicone or one of the JB weld products?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Keeping You Safe --

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:59:11 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
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> NHTSA's new search tool
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> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32)
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> X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 190611-4, 06/11/2019), Outbound message
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Don't ask me where the stuff above came from; I didn't add it!


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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah cooker?

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Maybe make a W123 version?
> https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190611/b9c0207b6a8215ed2a77f9762c90068a.jpg

That will go right with the combination beer cooler/grill shown
earlier ...


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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop


Agree.   And buy a USB disk drive and use it to back up to regularly.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 6/11/19 3:24 PM:

I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It 
normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a 
while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has the 
separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been getting blue 
screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how old this system is 
I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD Phenom 2.7 ghz 
professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it seems to be running 
fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I can replace the power 
supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is not backed up which is not 
good. I think I should get a new replacement and clone the drive over to a new 
one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a whole new tower either a prebuilt 
one or build another one, or replace the motherboard too. Actually upon boot up 
I see the bios is dated 2011, so it is at least that old.

I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something later 
on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is unless you 
people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many advancements in 
motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years?





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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah cooker?

No we can't have,alcohol in the park where,we,have the Q. Anyway Curt has
his collection of Rube Goldberg Coleman cooking systems.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 10:12 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Maybe make a W123 version?
> >
> https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190611/b9c0207b6a8215ed2a77f9762c90068a.jpg
>
> That will go right with the combination beer cooler/grill shown
> earlier ...
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Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop

2019-06-11 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

Get a new PS asap and get it in there.  Heat kills computers!  Apple MacBook 
Pro's of a certain age are well know for both running too hot and having the 
video chip crack loose, causing crashes.  I have one -- I use third party 
software to run the fans at full speed all the time to keep it from roasting.

Keep a backup up to date, too -- I had a scare last week when my main drive 
went goofy, and Time Machine was out of date.  Kept it in an external drive and 
was in the habit of forgetting to turn it on occasionally, and was stuck with 
losing everything since December, and then the restore failed to boot!

I was lucky, leaving the dead drive running overnight by accident got it going 
long enough to clone it.  Needless to say, I do backups much more often now!

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah cooker?

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:43:27 -0400 Dwight Giles 
wrote:

> No we can't have,alcohol in the park where,we,have the Q. Anyway Curt
> has his collection of Rube Goldberg Coleman cooking systems.

Well, OK.

Make that: That will go right with the combination soda cooler/grill
   shown earlier ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah cooker?

Got it. That works. No ETOH in state parks.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 11:59 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:43:27 -0400 Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
>
> > No we can't have,alcohol in the park where,we,have the Q. Anyway Curt
> > has his collection of Rube Goldberg Coleman cooking systems.
>
> Well, OK.
>
> Make that: That will go right with the combination soda cooler/grill
>shown earlier ...
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah cooker?

2019-06-11 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Dwight sez:

>No ETOH in state parks.

What's ETOH? 

How about near beer? 
St. Pauley Girl NA is pretty tasty. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah cooker?