Re: [MBZ] GPS

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Alien vehicles only fly after closing time for the bars.


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:55 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They are after  you!
>
> > Craig via Mercedes 
> > January 9, 2020 at 9:44 PM
> > Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
> > high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
> > time now.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They are after  you!


Craig via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 9:44 PM
Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
time now.



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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, it IS January in Alaska.   If they want more tropical temps, I'd 
suggest they move into the tropics.   Someplace with a kindly socialist 
gummit to take care of em.   Like Venezuela!



Clay via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 8:05 PM
there was all manner of hullaballoo about the weather in AK this past 
summer. Much blame given to anthropomorphic climate assault. At the 
moment the region is suffering a possible record breaking stretch of 
the very colds. Much gnashing of tooth and rending of tunic by the 
populace. I will admit there are many vehicles with shattered rear 
windscreens. Must be very uncomfortable to drive.


What just was admitted, after somebody bothered to look at records, is 
that there have been 30! stretches of extended periods of very cold 
(below 263*K for at least a week) in ANC since 1950. That is like 
minus temps in F degrees for longer than a week. The most recent 
extended stretch was in 2009. Expected over night temps will be in the 
-27f range the next two days.


clay


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Re: [MBZ] GPS

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 00:24:37 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Alien Replica Vehicles. They’re flown out of secret bases around
> there.  Their singularity/gravity drives disrupt space-time and hence
> GPS and other radio signals 

I see.


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Re: [MBZ] GPS

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Alien Replica Vehicles. They’re  flown out of secret bases around there.  Their 
singularity/gravity drives disrupt space-time and hence GPS and other radio 
signals 

--FT
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> On Jan 10, 2020, at 12:03 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 23:39:37 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> There were ARVs active in the area
> 
> ARVs?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 23:39:37 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> There were ARVs active in the area 

ARVs?


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Re: [MBZ] GPS

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:34:53 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It could be because of satellite position.
> GPS [I believe it still does] relies on signal from 3 satellites to
> establish it's coordinates.
> It could have been a situation where one or more of the needed signals
> were over the horizon and your Dash GPS was not getting coordinate
> information to do it's internal calculations. Temporary triangulation
> loss.

You are correct three satellites are needed to establish a fix, but there
are something like 19 satellites in the constellation and there are
typically 5 visible at any time.


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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I bet they had the same owner.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:30 PM Dwight Giles  wrote:

> Monochromatic Affinity Syndrome.  Actually  note,they all are the,123's.
> Come,some year & we can park you by color
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, 2:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
>>  Why are all the orient red cars grouped together?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 1:11 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Curt,
>>> Nice to relive memories. I will send out to those not on this list.
>>> Dwight
>>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:41 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > At long last I've finally remembered to upload the 2019 ChowdaQ pics.
>>> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ms3hA8H7HixwRbNT9
>>> > I'm going to go through and put some names in. If a pic doesn't have
>>> names
>>> > either I didn't remember them or I haven't gotten to that picture.I
>>> *think*
>>> > if you have a Google account you can add names too.
>>> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

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There were ARVs active in the area 

--FT
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> On Jan 9, 2020, at 11:37 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It could be because of satellite position.
> GPS [I believe it still does] relies on signal from 3 satellites to
> establish it's coordinates.
> It could have been a situation where one or more of the needed signals were
> over the horizon and your Dash GPS was not getting coordinate information
> to do it's internal calculations. Temporary triangulation  loss.
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
>> high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
>> time now.
>> 
>> Shirley had a dental appointment today so we were in northwest
>> Albuquerque. After her appointment, I programmed the GPS to find the
>> quickest way to the Fleet Pride store in downtown Albuquerque and we
>> were off (you have to be off to do this kind of thing!  :-) ).
>> 
>> As we were driving east on Paseo del Norte, I heard the GPS saying,
>> "Recalculating!" several times. Then I noticed I was going slower than
>> the speed limit of 60 mph -- the GPS said 52. I accelerated and noticed
>> the GPS said 48. I then looked down at the speedometer (it was after
>> sunset and I had the lights on so the speedometer needle was easy to
>> see). It said we were going 65!
>> 
>> I slowed down and push the button on the GPS to return to the map
>> display. It showed the vehicle about 500' north of the roadway and going
>> on neighborhood roads instead of on the freeway! When we crossed the Rio
>> Grande (where there are no neighborhood roads parallel to the freeway!)
>> it decided we were on the freeway afterall.
>> 
>> We got off on the left side of the freeway, turned right, and went under
>> the eastbound lanes and stopped at a stoplight with a clear view of the
>> sky. I looked at the GPS's map and saw it said we were about 500' west of
>> our actual location. This continued as we headed south on 2nd street.
>> 
>> I thought this was rather odd, having never seen anything like this
>> before.
>> 
>> It could have been caused by someone transmitting locally on GPS
>> frequencies, but those are predominantly line-of-sight and we had
>> travelled a few miles and were on the other side of a freeway
>> overpass's earth berm. In addition, after a while it started working
>> correctly again.
>> 
>> It occurred to me it could have been due to the Department of Defense
>> turning on Selective Availabilty (which has been off for several years).
>> 
>> Anyway, I first noticed the wierdness about 1640 MST (2340Z).
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It could be because of satellite position.
GPS [I believe it still does] relies on signal from 3 satellites to
establish it's coordinates.
It could have been a situation where one or more of the needed signals were
over the horizon and your Dash GPS was not getting coordinate information
to do it's internal calculations. Temporary triangulation  loss.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
> high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
> time now.
>
> Shirley had a dental appointment today so we were in northwest
> Albuquerque. After her appointment, I programmed the GPS to find the
> quickest way to the Fleet Pride store in downtown Albuquerque and we
> were off (you have to be off to do this kind of thing!  :-) ).
>
> As we were driving east on Paseo del Norte, I heard the GPS saying,
> "Recalculating!" several times. Then I noticed I was going slower than
> the speed limit of 60 mph -- the GPS said 52. I accelerated and noticed
> the GPS said 48. I then looked down at the speedometer (it was after
> sunset and I had the lights on so the speedometer needle was easy to
> see). It said we were going 65!
>
> I slowed down and push the button on the GPS to return to the map
> display. It showed the vehicle about 500' north of the roadway and going
> on neighborhood roads instead of on the freeway! When we crossed the Rio
> Grande (where there are no neighborhood roads parallel to the freeway!)
> it decided we were on the freeway afterall.
>
> We got off on the left side of the freeway, turned right, and went under
> the eastbound lanes and stopped at a stoplight with a clear view of the
> sky. I looked at the GPS's map and saw it said we were about 500' west of
> our actual location. This continued as we headed south on 2nd street.
>
> I thought this was rather odd, having never seen anything like this
> before.
>
> It could have been caused by someone transmitting locally on GPS
> frequencies, but those are predominantly line-of-sight and we had
> travelled a few miles and were on the other side of a freeway
> overpass's earth berm. In addition, after a while it started working
> correctly again.
>
> It occurred to me it could have been due to the Department of Defense
> turning on Selective Availabilty (which has been off for several years).
>
> Anyway, I first noticed the wierdness about 1640 MST (2340Z).
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Monochromatic Affinity Syndrome.  Actually  note,they all are the,123's.
Come,some year & we can park you by color

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, 2:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

>  Why are all the orient red cars grouped together?
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 1:11 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Curt,
>> Nice to relive memories. I will send out to those not on this list.
>> Dwight
>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:41 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > At long last I've finally remembered to upload the 2019 ChowdaQ pics.
>> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ms3hA8H7HixwRbNT9
>> > I'm going to go through and put some names in. If a pic doesn't have
>> names
>> > either I didn't remember them or I haven't gotten to that picture.I
>> *think*
>> > if you have a Google account you can add names too.
>> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] What is the switch by the shifter?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:48:57 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Mercedes-Benz-500-Series/202873604760?hash=item2f3c358a98:g:6N4AAOSw2H1eCJeG

The two in front of the shifter on the grey area under the ashtray appear
to be for heated seats.


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[MBZ] What is the switch by the shifter?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

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[MBZ] GPS

[Craig via Mercedes]

Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
time now.

Shirley had a dental appointment today so we were in northwest
Albuquerque. After her appointment, I programmed the GPS to find the
quickest way to the Fleet Pride store in downtown Albuquerque and we
were off (you have to be off to do this kind of thing!  :-) ).

As we were driving east on Paseo del Norte, I heard the GPS saying,
"Recalculating!" several times. Then I noticed I was going slower than
the speed limit of 60 mph -- the GPS said 52. I accelerated and noticed
the GPS said 48. I then looked down at the speedometer (it was after
sunset and I had the lights on so the speedometer needle was easy to
see). It said we were going 65!

I slowed down and push the button on the GPS to return to the map
display. It showed the vehicle about 500' north of the roadway and going
on neighborhood roads instead of on the freeway! When we crossed the Rio
Grande (where there are no neighborhood roads parallel to the freeway!)
it decided we were on the freeway afterall.

We got off on the left side of the freeway, turned right, and went under
the eastbound lanes and stopped at a stoplight with a clear view of the
sky. I looked at the GPS's map and saw it said we were about 500' west of
our actual location. This continued as we headed south on 2nd street.

I thought this was rather odd, having never seen anything like this
before.

It could have been caused by someone transmitting locally on GPS
frequencies, but those are predominantly line-of-sight and we had
travelled a few miles and were on the other side of a freeway
overpass's earth berm. In addition, after a while it started working
correctly again.

It occurred to me it could have been due to the Department of Defense
turning on Selective Availabilty (which has been off for several years).

Anyway, I first noticed the wierdness about 1640 MST (2340Z).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 17:45:00 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I learned that in 1955 over 50% of the food consumed in AK was locally
> grown.  Now only 5% is local.

How does the population now compare to that of 1955?


> The lecturer and audience of old farts were quite vocal and emotional
> about how it was not socially justice enough.

Huh?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Small nuke plants for electrons and heat to grow stuff. Silent Running in the 
frozen north. 

--FT
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> On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:45 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I am trying to figure that out myself.  
> 
> I am exploring a number of continuing education opportunities in hopes of 
> learning about what sort of crazy is required and how sustainable is living 
> like this.  So far I fear the crazy is very large and there is no legitimate 
> way for it to be self sustaining at all.
> 
> One class is about “Food Security”.  For most of the rest of the world, that 
> means "is there something in your belly?"  Around here it would be more akin 
> to “are you following the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints 
> teachings on stocking away food?”  After the quake a year ago there was a 
> dearth of fresh food (post Thanksgiving) to the point that the Costco was 
> without perishables on the shelf and coolers.  This past November there was 
> some marine weather that kept produce from getting shipped, or making 
> landfall in ANC for about a week.  
> 
> I learned that in 1955 over 50% of the food consumed in AK was locally grown. 
>  Now only 5% is local.  Over $2Bn annually is spent to send comestibles here. 
>  The lecturer and audience of old farts were quite vocal and emotional about 
> how it was not socially justice enough.  Meanwhile, I am thinking that NASA 
> should be providing grants to use the state as a laboratory for how to 
> provide food to the future Mars and Lunar colonies.  If they can make it work 
> here, there is a great likelihood that it should succeed millions of miles 
> away from Earth.
> 
> There are a few start up indoor grow operations coming online.  Herbs and 
> lettuce.  One old biddy was going on about how the native villagers should 
> convert the abandoned shipping containers into green houses, but that those 
> people do not eat lettuce.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Remind me again why humans live in such a place
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Clay via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> there was all manner of hullaballoo about the weather in AK this past 
>>> summer.  Much blame given to anthropomorphic climate assault.  At the 
>>> moment the region is suffering a possible record breaking stretch of the 
>>> very colds.  Much gnashing of tooth and rending of tunic by the populace.  
>>> I will admit there are many vehicles with shattered rear windscreens.  Must 
>>> be very uncomfortable to drive.
>>> 
>>> What just was admitted, after somebody bothered to look at records, is that 
>>> there have been 30! stretches of extended periods of very cold (below 263*K 
>>> for at least a week) in ANC since 1950.  That is like minus temps in F 
>>> degrees for longer than a week.  The most recent extended stretch was in 
>>> 2009.  Expected over night temps will be in the -27f range the next two 
>>> days.
>>> 
>>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Clay via Mercedes]

Fewer people are living here.  The annual count (7/18-7/19) reports that for 
the third year in a row the state has lost population.  Births are down, deaths 
are rising, the children (18-) are a bit fewer, the 18-64 population is lower 
by 1% (younglings leave) and old people grew by 5% (crazy old white 
professionals with good retirement accounts).  Listening to the codgers 
complain about the way it used to be is sort of fun, as they seem to have been 
the pioneers whose families came up homesteading in the depression and WWII 
era.  

Talk about cultural appropriation, they think they are native Alaskans.  Some 
even wear appropriated fashions.  Which I understand are quite warm, but remind 
one of large sunburnt white folk in Hawaiian shirts speaking pidgin patois.  At 
least the retired white folk here retain their professional grasp of english.

clay



> On Jan 9, 2020, at 5:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Gold or oil . or "hermit-ing".
> 
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:15 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Remind me again why humans live in such a place
>> 
>> --FT

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Re: [MBZ] Windows 7 to 10 upgrade

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:42:04 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I put the install onto a external hard drive, need about 7 GB, but you
> could also burn it to a DVD.

But won't something that large require a double-layer DVD and a special
burner?


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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Clay via Mercedes]

I am trying to figure that out myself.  

I am exploring a number of continuing education opportunities in hopes of 
learning about what sort of crazy is required and how sustainable is living 
like this.  So far I fear the crazy is very large and there is no legitimate 
way for it to be self sustaining at all.

One class is about “Food Security”.  For most of the rest of the world, that 
means "is there something in your belly?"  Around here it would be more akin to 
“are you following the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints teachings on 
stocking away food?”  After the quake a year ago there was a dearth of fresh 
food (post Thanksgiving) to the point that the Costco was without perishables 
on the shelf and coolers.  This past November there was some marine weather 
that kept produce from getting shipped, or making landfall in ANC for about a 
week.  

I learned that in 1955 over 50% of the food consumed in AK was locally grown.  
Now only 5% is local.  Over $2Bn annually is spent to send comestibles here.  
The lecturer and audience of old farts were quite vocal and emotional about how 
it was not socially justice enough.  Meanwhile, I am thinking that NASA should 
be providing grants to use the state as a laboratory for how to provide food to 
the future Mars and Lunar colonies.  If they can make it work here, there is a 
great likelihood that it should succeed millions of miles away from Earth.

There are a few start up indoor grow operations coming online.  Herbs and 
lettuce.  One old biddy was going on about how the native villagers should 
convert the abandoned shipping containers into green houses, but that those 
people do not eat lettuce.

clay

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Remind me again why humans live in such a place
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> there was all manner of hullaballoo about the weather in AK this past 
>> summer.  Much blame given to anthropomorphic climate assault.  At the moment 
>> the region is suffering a possible record breaking stretch of the very 
>> colds.  Much gnashing of tooth and rending of tunic by the populace.  I will 
>> admit there are many vehicles with shattered rear windscreens.  Must be very 
>> uncomfortable to drive.
>> 
>> What just was admitted, after somebody bothered to look at records, is that 
>> there have been 30! stretches of extended periods of very cold (below 263*K 
>> for at least a week) in ANC since 1950.  That is like minus temps in F 
>> degrees for longer than a week.  The most recent extended stretch was in 
>> 2009.  Expected over night temps will be in the -27f range the next two days.
>> 
>> clay

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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Back in the day, the first house I purchased had storm windows I had to put up 
in Autumn and remove around Mother’s day.  They did help with reducing heat 
leakage, even on the crap aluminum double paned stuff.

clay

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A couple years ago I made inserts that fit our window casements, I covered 
> them with plastic and put foam insulating tape on the outside so they're a 
> good tight fit. We have pretty good windows so they don't make a huge 
> difference but I was surprised that they make a difference in sound too.
> I embedded small magnets in the frames and in the window frames so they hold 
> themselves in. Each one cost about $0.50 to build and have lasted well. A 
> good project for those cold evenings.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Th

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Gold or oil . or "hermit-ing".

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:15 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Remind me again why humans live in such a place
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > there was all manner of hullaballoo about the weather in AK this past
> summer.  Much blame given to anthropomorphic climate assault.  At the
> moment the region is suffering a possible record breaking stretch of the
> very colds.  Much gnashing of tooth and rending of tunic by the populace.
> I will admit there are many vehicles with shattered rear windscreens.  Must
> be very uncomfortable to drive.
> >
> > What just was admitted, after somebody bothered to look at records, is
> that there have been 30! stretches of extended periods of very cold (below
> 263*K for at least a week) in ANC since 1950.  That is like minus temps in
> F degrees for longer than a week.  The most recent extended stretch was in
> 2009.  Expected over night temps will be in the -27f range the next two
> days.
> >
> > clay
> >
> >> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It is amazing how its been proven they faked data in England, this dude
> made up the stuff, and other hoaxdom has been proven, yet albore and his
> minions keep motoring on as if all their religion is true.
> >>
> >>> G Mann via Mercedes 
> >>> January 8, 2020 at 9:53 PM
> >>> Just for the record, I claim no kinship to the Mann PhD of climate
> change
> >>> hoaxdom..
> >>>
> >>> I am a full fledged member of the "Salt the Earth Society" and
> understand
> >>> that CO2 is the material that makes plants grow and produce O2
> >>> "Herr Mann" ;)) [Thanks BTW]
> >>> Diesel on
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Question on the driver exam is a multi guess of what are required items to have 
on hand to be allowed to live in AK.  The correct answer is the one with duct 
tape.  All manner of repairs are effectuated with duct tape here.  Shoes, 
gloves, cars, even the requisite blue tarps are to be repaired in that manner.  

I was at the hardware store yesterday searching for a plastic repair glue.  I 
had not found a usable product at the grocery store.  I did find there is much 
space dedicated to duct tape in many flavors. Maybe to match your choice of 
potato or corn chip?  The hardware store was even more elaborate in gaffers 
tape.   Must have been five foot wide and tall.  From multi color electrical 
tapes to standard duct, all the way to NASA certified sealing tapes.

clay

> 
> An artcle on Alaska living listed the items that Alaskans keep on hand. One 
> of them was masking tape used to patch air leaks in the winter among other 
> uses.
> It seems like that might help keep moist air from leaking out through the 
> defective window seals in your house.
> Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Remind me again why humans live in such a place

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> there was all manner of hullaballoo about the weather in AK this past 
> summer.  Much blame given to anthropomorphic climate assault.  At the moment 
> the region is suffering a possible record breaking stretch of the very colds. 
>  Much gnashing of tooth and rending of tunic by the populace.  I will admit 
> there are many vehicles with shattered rear windscreens.  Must be very 
> uncomfortable to drive.
> 
> What just was admitted, after somebody bothered to look at records, is that 
> there have been 30! stretches of extended periods of very cold (below 263*K 
> for at least a week) in ANC since 1950.  That is like minus temps in F 
> degrees for longer than a week.  The most recent extended stretch was in 
> 2009.  Expected over night temps will be in the -27f range the next two days.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It is amazing how its been proven they faked data in England, this dude made 
>> up the stuff, and other hoaxdom has been proven, yet albore and his minions 
>> keep motoring on as if all their religion is true.
>> 
>>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>>> January 8, 2020 at 9:53 PM
>>> Just for the record, I claim no kinship to the Mann PhD of climate change
>>> hoaxdom..
>>> 
>>> I am a full fledged member of the "Salt the Earth Society" and understand
>>> that CO2 is the material that makes plants grow and produce O2
>>> "Herr Mann" ;)) [Thanks BTW]
>>> Diesel on
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Clay via Mercedes]

there was all manner of hullaballoo about the weather in AK this past summer.  
Much blame given to anthropomorphic climate assault.  At the moment the region 
is suffering a possible record breaking stretch of the very colds.  Much 
gnashing of tooth and rending of tunic by the populace.  I will admit there are 
many vehicles with shattered rear windscreens.  Must be very uncomfortable to 
drive.

What just was admitted, after somebody bothered to look at records, is that 
there have been 30! stretches of extended periods of very cold (below 263*K for 
at least a week) in ANC since 1950.  That is like minus temps in F degrees for 
longer than a week.  The most recent extended stretch was in 2009.  Expected 
over night temps will be in the -27f range the next two days.

clay

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is amazing how its been proven they faked data in England, this dude made 
> up the stuff, and other hoaxdom has been proven, yet albore and his minions 
> keep motoring on as if all their religion is true.
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> January 8, 2020 at 9:53 PM
>> Just for the record, I claim no kinship to the Mann PhD of climate change
>> hoaxdom..
>> 
>> I am a full fledged member of the "Salt the Earth Society" and understand
>> that CO2 is the material that makes plants grow and produce O2
>> "Herr Mann" ;)) [Thanks BTW]
>> Diesel on

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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I tried to snap a photo, but the cold just made my phone cranky

clay


> On Jan 8, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We need to see a photo of said frozen doodle.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Or trade the existing dog for an Alaskan sled dog who will live outside?
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> On 08/01/2020 2:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Clay,
>>> 
>>> Does the dog wear an extra coat? I would think an indoor dog would
>>> object to such cold weather without putting on another layer of
>>> insulation.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> Jan 8, 2020 12:44:07 AM Clay via Mercedes :
>>> 
>>> 
 They finally plowed the street from the new years day storm. I get to
>> drag the doodle dog around after putting Mushers Magic (looks like
>> petroleum jelly) on his paws. Today’s walk awarded me with iced up eye
>> brows and lashes, rime around the balaclava, and a four inch ice booger
>> dangling from my chin. I feared my eyes would freeze.
 
 BTW, 4% relative humidity inside is really uncomfortable. The
>> humidifier machines could not keep up, but a large pot of boiling water
>> helps. Until I saw that it was escaping through the perished seals on the
>> windows and icing up the glass outside.
 
 clay
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Mountain Man

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
No, Too old, and Dan lives in Elgin.   But the son could be the Dan we  
know.




Only if the Dan we know is dead.
I don't think Dan's wife is Cindy.

Loving father of James E. (Sibby) Gordon and the late Daniel G. (Cindy) Gordon.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There I fixed it:


A [Mechanical] relay makes noise too.  So I'm not sure what you are saying.

Relays go by other names:

Starter solenoid
Motor starter
contactor
etc.

There are electronic relays that don't make noise, but I don't 
understand the internal workings of them.


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[MBZ] Progress 300D 2.5

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I have finally been able to stop the process of tearing things up and 
welding on the 300D 2.5.   Today I was able to install the new brake 
lines.  I have more sheet metal patching to do, but I'm done welding. If 
I had Dimitri's skills and tools, i'd weld in patches, but these are 
getting glued and screwed, as they are non-structural, and underneath.


Tomorrow I hope to take Wilton's subframe and the wheel carriers to get 
powerwashed and press in new bushings.    After that I will do a trial 
fitting of the subframe.   Then I will start assembling the subframe. 
Not sure what day that will be, but it is supposed to rain for 40 days 
and 40 nights, so I can work on the assembly inside.


I reversed, and decided to order MB hoses for the fuel  in and out of 
the tank.   Waiting for those and the prior order from CC to show up. CC 
sent the prior order to the wrong address, but the right address was 
clearly in the email I sent.   Need the hoses before I can put in the 
subframe.   Hopefully within a week or 2 the car will be back together.


Well, actually there is one more spot I need to tear out the undercoat 
and dig out the rust flakes, but it is relatively easy to get to; just a 
complex shape.  Probably a 6" x 8" patch if I had to guess.


I will order new rear calipers next week too, along with the axle boot 
tool and boots.


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[MBZ] OT: Coyotes attack in Chicago!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

For now, they prefer the taste of poodles to humans.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coyote-attacks-are-extremely-rare-but-in-chicago-a-man-and-child-were-bitten-in-one-day/ar-BBYMHYI?ocid=ientp
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > fmiser wrote

> > Personally, I would wire an LED to light up with the voltage
> > drop caused by the power wire. Light = current draw.  Probably
> > still need a resistor for> the current limit.

> Curt wrote:

> How does that work?

Anytime there is current flowing, there is voltage drop.  The more
current there is, the greater the drop.  So for testing, put a
volt meter with one lead on the batter and one on the heater.  It
should read zero.  Turn on the heater.  If the heater is using
power, there will be some number on your meter.  What the reading
is will depend on the resistance of the wire (length and gauge)
and the current being drawn by the heater.  Since we expect
somewhere between 10 and 100 A, even with 0.5 m of 10 AWG wire
there should be a measurable DC voltage.

> Or rather how do I do it?

First is to be sure the heater works, and measure the voltage drop
across the wire.  A single color LED needs about 1.2 V and be
limited to approx 20 mA.   If there is 2V or more drop on that
wire, you are all set!  A resistor of about 50 ohm will limit the
current of a 2 VDC supply to about 20 mA.  The brightness of the
LED will indicate the current draw.  No light means no current
draw - either because there is no power or the heater quit or
whatever.

If the voltage drop on the heater power wire is less than 1 VDC,
it will require additional circuitry to make it work...

I can draw it out with pictures, but step one is to get the heater
working and measure the voltage drop on the supply wire.

> I finally realized that a silent solenoid obviously wasn't
> working. An advantage in the solenoid vs a relay.

A relay makes noise too.  So I'm not sure what you are saying.

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Re: [MBZ] Windows 7 to 10 upgrade

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Mitch, good call on getting a new hard drive. Don't bother loading 7, just 
install 10 and plug in your 7 license key when asked. This worked perfectly for 
me.

I put the install onto a external hard drive, need about 7 GB, but you could 
also burn it to a DVD.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 9, 2020 1:42:58 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :

> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > I just tried mine again after doing a bunch of steps and clearing out some 
> > stuff that was recommended online. It still failed. This is crazy.
> > 
> 
> I just ordered a bigger hard drive and a drive dock to replace my old dock 
> that
> died a few years ago.
> Will do a clean install of Win7 and see if it's upgradable.
> My laptop has AIDS.
> It's not Recaptcha.
> I got called away yesterday and when I got home it was uploading like crazy,
> with only my 1 and 1 webmail client running.
> I closed firefox, opened IE, and IE immediately started uploading at max 
> speed.
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 7 to 10 upgrade

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Kaleb,
I feel for you as I've had some of those experiences.  Did you get the same 
error again?  My last install was from a thumb drive I ordered on eBay that 
includes Windows 10 plus some problem fix software.  I agree with the comment 
about going directly to the web and not using WiFi.  Have you checked your 
firewall and other setting in your current Win Ultimate?  It could be something 
that Win10 can't accommodate.  I have Win 10 Enterprise on a Dell 460 which I 
might want to convert to Win 10 Pro as I can't get a real license for 
Enterprise.  But Enterprise sure does run fast, etc.
Again, good luck and call me if talking might help you work into a solution.
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Mountain Man

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No, Too old, and Dan lives in Elgin.   But the son could be the Dan we  
know.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 2:25 PM
Anyone know more about him? I think I can recall him talking about a son.

Could this be him?

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nwitimes/obituary.aspx?n=daniel-e-gordon&pid=194296726&fhid=26263 





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Re: [MBZ] Mountain Man

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Too old?

Search says there are something like 37 Dan Gordons in Chicago area.


On 09/01/2020 2:28 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Nope. Not him.

Rick



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Mercedes 
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Cc: Randy Bennell
Subject: [MBZ] Mountain Man

Anyone know more about him? I think I can recall him talking about a son.

Could this be him?

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nwitimes/obituary.aspx?n=daniel-e-gordon&pid=194296726&fhid=26263


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Re: [MBZ] Mountain Man

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Nope. Not him.

Rick



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Randy Bennell
Subject: [MBZ] Mountain Man

Anyone know more about him? I think I can recall him talking about a son.

Could this be him?

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nwitimes/obituary.aspx?n=daniel-e-gordon&pid=194296726&fhid=26263


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[MBZ] Mountain Man

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Anyone know more about him? I think I can recall him talking about a son.

Could this be him?

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nwitimes/obituary.aspx?n=daniel-e-gordon&pid=194296726&fhid=26263


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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No! It was Henifay who came to the US and Mao loaned them a car.   We 
drove to LaCrosse to meet up with them.


Frada's shop burned down.  Unfortunately, he survived.


Dave Liddell via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 12:59 PM
Davide Fraeda?



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That's because it costs them money to go down to NAPA and buy one to 
ship to ya!    BTDT! Rickle Manufacturing



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 12:56 PM
How does that work? Or rather how do I do it?
My last 240D had a push button to a Ford starter solenoid that 
triggered the glow plugs. One time it failed because the wire that fed 
the relay dangled on the exhaust manifold and blew the fuse. Thats 
when I found out that the light was fed off the switch, not the 
solenoid so I didn't realize, at first, that the solenoid wasn't 
triggered. I finally realized that a silent solenoid obviously wasn't 
working. An advantage in the solenoid vs a relay.
This is all a case where the ASV is a pain. An intake heater was 
optional with the JD engine, ASV doesn't say what they put in it.
Oh, BTW I was researching replacement alternators, $90-$100 seems 
common, ASV wants $630!


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[OK Don via Mercedes]

No, it was Hendrick and his wife Fay, also known as Henfay ...

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 1:00 PM Dave Liddell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Davide Fraeda?
>
>
> >
> > > Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US
> one
> > > summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look
> up an
> > > email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
> > > --
> > > OK Don
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 http://www.leedberg.com/mad/satsq/satsq.html


On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 2:25:14 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
  Why are all the orient red cars grouped together?

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 1:11 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Thanks Curt,
> Nice to relive memories. I will send out to those not on this list.
> Dwight
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
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> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ms3hA8H7HixwRbNT9
> > I'm going to go through and put some names in. If a pic doesn't have
> names
> > either I didn't remember them or I haven't gotten to that picture.I
> *think*
> > if you have a Google account you can add names too.
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

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 Why are all the orient red cars grouped together?

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 1:11 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Thanks Curt,
> Nice to relive memories. I will send out to those not on this list.
> Dwight
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:41 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > At long last I've finally remembered to upload the 2019 ChowdaQ pics.
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ms3hA8H7HixwRbNT9
> > I'm going to go through and put some names in. If a pic doesn't have
> names
> > either I didn't remember them or I haven't gotten to that picture.I
> *think*
> > if you have a Google account you can add names too.
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 How does that work? Or rather how do I do it?
My last 240D had a push button to a Ford starter solenoid that triggered the 
glow plugs. One time it failed because the wire that fed the relay dangled on 
the exhaust manifold and blew the fuse. Thats when I found out that the light 
was fed off the switch, not the solenoid so I didn't realize, at first, that 
the solenoid wasn't triggered. I finally realized that a silent solenoid 
obviously wasn't working. An advantage in the solenoid vs a relay.
This is all a case where the ASV is a pain. An intake heater was optional with 
the JD engine, ASV doesn't say what they put in it.
Oh, BTW I was researching replacement alternators, $90-$100 seems common, ASV 
wants $630!

-Curt

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 1:24:16 PM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
Personally, I would wire an LED to light up with the voltage drop caused by the 
power wire.  
Light = current draw.  Probably still need a resistor for the
current limit.


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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Dave Liddell via Mercedes]

Davide Fraeda?


> 
> > Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
> > summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
> > email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
> > -- 
> > OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I reckon you mean: 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/cm610a-600a-t-rms-acdc-clamp-meter-64015.html 
> 
That's the one I looked at.  The reviews were complimentary.

> I have found clamp on DC meters to be finicky for small current.

Well, trying to measure 10mA with a meter designed to measure 400A
is never going to be ultra reliable.  Courses for horses, as they say, and
I have a small-jaw clamp-on DC ammeter for that kind of thing.  It's rated
at 60A max, and is labeled a mA current clamp.  The jaw opening is
something like 1/4".

But you can also loop the wire through the jaw more than once, and thus
multiply the magnetic field by the looping factor.  You just divide the number
it's reading by X to get a more accurate answer.

In a car, even a small dome light is 1A or so, and my 400A Fluke is just fine.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Windows 7 to 10 upgrade

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I just tried mine again after doing a bunch of steps and clearing out some stuff that was recommended online. It still failed. This is crazy. 


I just ordered a bigger hard drive and a drive dock to replace my old dock that 
died a few years ago.

Will do a clean install of Win7 and see if it's upgradable.
My laptop has AIDS.
It's not Recaptcha.
I got called away yesterday and when I got home it was uploading like crazy, 
with only my 1 and 1 webmail client running.

I closed firefox, opened IE, and IE immediately started uploading at max speed.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I reckon you mean: 
https://www.harborfreight.com/cm610a-600a-t-rms-acdc-clamp-meter-64015.html
I'm glad you reminded me that some are AC only, that'd be all the cheaper 
ones...
-Curt

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 1:21:36 PM EST, Jim Cathey 
 wrote:  
 
 There are also clamp-on AC (only) ammeters.  You don't want one of those.
Those are simple transformers.  AC/DC ammeters use Hall-effect sensors
and active electronics.  HF has one right now that'll probably work, $90.

-- Jim

  
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 7 to 10 upgrade

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I just tried mine again after doing a bunch of steps and clearing out some 
stuff that was recommended online. It still failed. This is crazy. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had success last night in upgrading my laptop computer from 7 to 10.
> 
> It took about 3 hours to do it all but it appears to have been successful.
> 
> The thing that I did that made a difference was to connect to the internet by 
> cable to the modem rather than rely on the wi-fi.
> 
> I should have done that in the first place.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> Anybody care to make a wild guess at the current draw for the
> intake heater on the ASV?

Sure!  20A is my wild guess.  Possibly low, though.

> Its controlled by a button in the cab which runs to a Hella 4RA
> 003 510-51 relay which my googling suggests is a 30a relay. The
> wiring to it is 10 or 12ga, I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure its
> too small for 30a anyway.

12 AWG is safe for 30 A, especially in the open.  There will be
voltage drop, but if the wire isn't very long it might be just
fine.  10 AWG is rated for 30 A in a wall filled with insulation.

> Its also worth noting that there is no feedback (ie a light)
> from the heater at all, you push the button and hope something
> is happening. IIRC the way to test this would be to look at the
> voltage on the heater since I don't have an amp gauge capable of
> testing more than 10a and clamp on DC is unreliable. Thoughts?

I have found clamp on DC meters to be finicky for small current.
But it should be just fine for measuring the difference between
"no" and "off"

Measure the voltage drop across the wiring.  Battery to heater.
That becomes an ammeter.  Personally, I would wire an LED to light
up with the voltage drop caused by the power wire.  
Light = current draw.  Probably still need a resistor for the
current limit.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

There are also clamp-on AC (only) ammeters.  You don't want one of those.
Those are simple transformers.  AC/DC ammeters use Hall-effect sensors
and active electronics.  HF has one right now that'll probably work, $90.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Are the cheap ones worth having? Harbor Freight has a couple. I mention them 
only because I could run over and get one today.I've got their "better" 
multimeter and its been good to me. The very cheap ones aren't worth having but 
the $40 one isn't bad.

They have them priced between $45 and $100, the only difference seems to be max 
current. I can't see my really needing more than 400A capacity...
Hmm, same brand as the multimeter, might be worth a shot.

-Curt

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 1:04:56 PM EST, Jim Cathey 
 wrote:  
 
 On the Dodge Cummins the grid heaters draw around 100A each.
There are two.  Also two relays, one for each.

Clamp-on DC ammeters can be quite accurate.  My Fluke is.
I use it for tasks such as these.

If the heater is substantial, like mine, you can see the action on
the brightness of the interior lights.  Whether or not the engine
is running!

What is the DC resistance of the cold heating element?
If your ohmmeter is reliable at low ohms, and not all are,
that might tell you something.  If yours truly is wimpy, like
a single glow plug, it'll be around half an ohm cold.

-- Jim

  
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks Curt,
Nice to relive memories. I will send out to those not on this list.
Dwight
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ms3hA8H7HixwRbNT9
> I'm going to go through and put some names in. If a pic doesn't have names
> either I didn't remember them or I haven't gotten to that picture.I *think*
> if you have a Google account you can add names too.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

It might draw similar current to the old Dodge/Cummins intake grids.
In house wiring, 12ga is 20A and 10ga is 30A.

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

On the Dodge Cummins the grid heaters draw around 100A each.
There are two.  Also two relays, one for each.

Clamp-on DC ammeters can be quite accurate.  My Fluke is.
I use it for tasks such as these.

If the heater is substantial, like mine, you can see the action on
the brightness of the interior lights.  Whether or not the engine
is running!

What is the DC resistance of the cold heating element?
If your ohmmeter is reliable at low ohms, and not all are,
that might tell you something.  If yours truly is wimpy, like
a single glow plug, it'll be around half an ohm cold.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Mostly, I think I took some too but strangely not of her...
-Curt

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 12:59:24 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 So, was your good wife the photographer? I don't see her in any of the 
photos.

Randy

On 09/01/2020 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> At long last I've finally remembered to upload the 2019 ChowdaQ 
> pics.https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ms3hA8H7HixwRbNT9
> I'm going to go through and put some names in. If a pic doesn't have names 
> either I didn't remember them or I haven't gotten to that picture.I *think* 
> if you have a Google account you can add names too.
> -Curt
>


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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

So, was your good wife the photographer? I don't see her in any of the 
photos.


Randy

On 09/01/2020 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

At long last I've finally remembered to upload the 2019 ChowdaQ 
pics.https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ms3hA8H7HixwRbNT9
I'm going to go through and put some names in. If a pic doesn't have names 
either I didn't remember them or I haven't gotten to that picture.I *think* if 
you have a Google account you can add names too.
-Curt




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[MBZ] Windows 7 to 10 upgrade

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I had success last night in upgrading my laptop computer from 7 to 10.

It took about 3 hours to do it all but it appears to have been successful.

The thing that I did that made a difference was to connect to the 
internet by cable to the modem rather than rely on the wi-fi.


I should have done that in the first place.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

> Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
> summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
> email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
> -- 
> OK Don

I received an email from his address a year or more ago which was all bizarre 
advertising.
Apparently someone had gotten into his computer and collected email addresses 
unless he sent the advertising himself. Does anyone still have his address or 
remember his name.?

IIRC he lives in Adelaide, the capital of the state of South Australia which 
hasn't "so far" been seriously affected by the fires which are mostly in the 
states of Victoria and NSW.

Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Very nice. I reckon I will have to study a bit, putting faces to names (‘cause 
none of you look like you type), in case I make it this year. 

Bob R

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> On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> At long last I've finally remembered to upload the 2019 ChowdaQ 
> pics.https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ms3hA8H7HixwRbNT9
> I'm going to go through and put some names in. If a pic doesn't have names 
> either I didn't remember them or I haven't gotten to that picture.I *think* 
> if you have a Google account you can add names too.
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[MBZ] ChowdaQ XII 2019

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

At long last I've finally remembered to upload the 2019 ChowdaQ 
pics.https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ms3hA8H7HixwRbNT9
I'm going to go through and put some names in. If a pic doesn't have names 
either I didn't remember them or I haven't gotten to that picture.I *think* if 
you have a Google account you can add names too.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The little research I've done mostly turns up stuff for 5.9 Cummins engines. 
Those apparently have something more like a toaster, can use 100+ amps and have 
wiring to match the power draw.
The 10hp China made diesel engines have a glowplug thing like you describe. 
I've also seen reference to some tractors that have essentially a glowplug with 
a screen on it to increase surface area.
Guess I need to pull this one apart and see what its got and if the thing 
actually works. I'm also thinking I'll add a wire from the heater back to the 
cab with a light so I'll know at least that power is getting to the heater.
-Curt

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 11:11:06 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On the old AC loader we had, I took off the intake hose and had a gander 
inside.   It was not much different from a block heater, only it glowed 
like an electric stove element on High.

probably 20-30 amps.   If the relay is 30A, then probably the heater is 20A

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> January 9, 2020 at 9:38 AM
> Anybody care to make a wild guess at the current draw for the intake 
> heater on the ASV?I've been displeased with the coldstart-ability of 
> the ASV for some time now and one of the things I've been considering 
> is the intake heater. Its aftermarket to the engine, installed by ASV 
> but I'm pretty sure the wiring to it now was done by somebody else 
> later on.Its controlled by a button in the cab which runs to a Hella 
> 4RA 003 510-51 relay which my googling suggests is a 30a relay. The 
> wiring to it is 10 or 12ga, I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure its too 
> small for 30a anyway.
> Its also worth noting that there is no feedback (ie a light) from the 
> heater at all, you push the button and hope something is happening.
> IIRC the way to test this would be to look at the voltage on the 
> heater since I don't have an amp gauge capable of testing more than 
> 10a and clamp on DC is unreliable.
> Thoughts? I should probably take the intake apart and see if the thing 
> heats up at all...
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

On the old AC loader we had, I took off the intake hose and had a gander 
inside.   It was not much different from a block heater, only it glowed 
like an electric stove element on High.


probably 20-30 amps.   If the relay is 30A, then probably the heater is 20A


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 9:38 AM
Anybody care to make a wild guess at the current draw for the intake 
heater on the ASV?I've been displeased with the coldstart-ability of 
the ASV for some time now and one of the things I've been considering 
is the intake heater. Its aftermarket to the engine, installed by ASV 
but I'm pretty sure the wiring to it now was done by somebody else 
later on.Its controlled by a button in the cab which runs to a Hella 
4RA 003 510-51 relay which my googling suggests is a 30a relay. The 
wiring to it is 10 or 12ga, I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure its too 
small for 30a anyway.
Its also worth noting that there is no feedback (ie a light) from the 
heater at all, you push the button and hope something is happening.
IIRC the way to test this would be to look at the voltage on the 
heater since I don't have an amp gauge capable of testing more than 
10a and clamp on DC is unreliable.
Thoughts? I should probably take the intake apart and see if the thing 
heats up at all...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Good Catch Curt!   The original article said that only a few were 
arrested.  Most got off with a hand slap.  That DOES NOT change the fact 
that over 200 fars were arson.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 9:30 AM
Thats pretty slanted. They're basically saying "People have been 
arrested for arson, just not 200." Its not totally incorrect, the 
details are just wrong...


-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 A couple years ago I made inserts that fit our window casements, I covered 
them with plastic and put foam insulating tape on the outside so they're a good 
tight fit. We have pretty good windows so they don't make a huge difference but 
I was surprised that they make a difference in sound too.
I embedded small magnets in the frames and in the window frames so they hold 
themselves in. Each one cost about $0.50 to build and have lasted well. A good 
project for those cold evenings.

-Curt

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 10:40:38 AM EST, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
> >> They finally plowed the street from the new years day storm. I get to drag 
> >> the doodle dog around after putting Mushers Magic (looks like petroleum 
> >> jelly) on his paws. Today’s walk awarded me with iced up eye brows and 
> >> lashes, rime around the balaclava, and a four inch ice booger dangling 
> >> from my chin. I feared my eyes would freeze.
> >>
> >> BTW, 4% relative humidity inside is really uncomfortable. The humidifier 
> >> machines could not keep up, but a large pot of boiling water helps. Until 
> >> I saw that it was escaping through the perished seals on the windows and 
> >> icing up the glass outside.
> >> clay

An artcle on Alaska living listed the items that Alaskans keep on hand. One of 
them was masking tape used to patch air leaks in the winter among other uses.
It seems like that might help keep moist air from leaking out through the 
defective window seals in your house.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

> >> They finally plowed the street from the new years day storm. I get to drag 
> >> the doodle dog around after putting Mushers Magic (looks like petroleum 
> >> jelly) on his paws. Today’s walk awarded me with iced up eye brows and 
> >> lashes, rime around the balaclava, and a four inch ice booger dangling 
> >> from my chin. I feared my eyes would freeze.
> >>
> >> BTW, 4% relative humidity inside is really uncomfortable. The humidifier 
> >> machines could not keep up, but a large pot of boiling water helps. Until 
> >> I saw that it was escaping through the perished seals on the windows and 
> >> icing up the glass outside.
> >> clay

An artcle on Alaska living listed the items that Alaskans keep on hand. One of 
them was masking tape used to patch air leaks in the winter among other uses.
It seems like that might help keep moist air from leaking out through the 
defective window seals in your house.
Gerry

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[MBZ] OT: Intake heater current draw?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Anybody care to make a wild guess at the current draw for the intake heater on 
the ASV?I've been displeased with the coldstart-ability of the ASV for some 
time now and one of the things I've been considering is the intake heater. Its 
aftermarket to the engine, installed by ASV but I'm pretty sure the wiring to 
it now was done by somebody else later on.Its controlled by a button in the cab 
which runs to a Hella 4RA 003 510-51 relay which my googling suggests is a 30a 
relay. The wiring to it is 10 or 12ga, I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure its too 
small for 30a anyway.
Its also worth noting that there is no feedback (ie a light) from the heater at 
all, you push the button and hope something is happening.
IIRC the way to test this would be to look at the voltage on the heater since I 
don't have an amp gauge capable of testing more than 10a and clamp on DC is 
unreliable.
Thoughts? I should probably take the intake apart and see if the thing heats up 
at all...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Temperature in MidEast just went up

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 A BIG can...
-Curt

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 2:00:20 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Daisy Cutter:  LZ in a can.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 5:18 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Peter Frederick 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Temperature in MidEast just went up
> 
> I was told back in the day that one of those 16" HE shells did a fine job of
> opening up a helicopter landing zone.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Thats pretty slanted. They're basically saying "People have been arrested for 
arson, just not 200." Its not totally incorrect, the details are just wrong...

-Curt

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 10:27:16 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Here's a debunking of that arsonist BS someone posted earlier:
https://www.snopes.com/collections/debunker-01-08-2020/


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:14 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They moved about 2 yrs ago.  He gave up Dingo Diggers and is a long haul
> road train jockey.
>
> > OK Don via Mercedes 
> > January 8, 2020 at 8:11 PM
> > Thanks - didn't know they had moved from Adelaide. All the addresses
> other
> > than heni...@gmail.com bounced - still haven't heard back yet ...
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:03 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >
> >
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[MBZ] FCP Euro Free Shipping

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Placed a couple of orders in the last week for E320 stuff, as I need to get 
caught up on the wagons maintenance.

I ordered a set of spark plugs a while back, then it occurred to me that I need 
to do engine mounts, something that makes replacing spark plugs a real piece of 
cake. Getting them out while each side of the engine is jacked up to replace 
the mount puts them in a position where they’re easily accessible. Nice.

So I ordered a set of Lemförder mounts, engine and transmission, yesterday. As 
I’m under no duress to get this done, I chose their free shipping option as I 
usually do.

I got a notice from UPS that I had a package coming from them today, which 
would be the OE K40 relay I bought last week in a closeout sale they had. 
Surprise! The mounts must have been in a South Florida warehouse, so they’re 
coming today, too.

Guess I need to set some time aside to do this now...

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Temperature in MidEast just went up

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

And still impressive.   If I were some tin pot dictator, and the BB-61 
(or any BB)  pulled up outside my door, I'd be a little nervous.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 12:48 AM
Obsolete for sea battles. Still useful as amphibious artillery.




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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

EXACTLY!    And the same with the drug money.  How many congresscritters 
can you buy with the trillions of drug money?   At 435 + 100 + 9 million 
per year, that is only parking meter change to the cartels.   It is no 
accident that the majority of the gress of cons want open borders.  They 
are paid well to take that position.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 12:48 AM
In the immortal words of Deep Throat, "Follow the money."




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