Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes but it has to be darned good (sensitive and specific) for the positive
predictive value to be good in a low prevalence population. We are really
not sure how to interpret the results of these tests yet. I have heard some
tests are 99% sensitive and specific which is what would be required.

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 10:15 AM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
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> Highly reliable antibody testing is readily available now.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 6:55 AM
> To: Okie Benz
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out
>
> I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like
> stuff back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already had
> a mild case of beer virus.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers
> shooting each other, other deaths associated with activities that have been
> diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will be
> interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the months of say
> March and April in the various categories.
> >
> > Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the covids
> back in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a
> cold, they felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly rapidly.
> Their gated luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of nooyawkas have 2nd or
> 3rd or 4th homes there and relocated) is having free testing this week for
> the 1%ers so they will see if they got da bug.
> >
> > On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years
> is
> >> likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
> >> killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.
> >
> > --
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Slot Cars

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

I spent a few years in the 90’s racing electric slot cars. The track owner 
developed a clicker setup mounted to the bottom motor screw. It used an 
adjustable bracket to mount a strip of thick Lexan bent at the end that made 
contact with the main drive gear. The whole setup would vibrate, and the 
opposite end of the strip would resonate against the Lexan body for even more 
noise. This allowed me to distinguish the sound of my car from the others. 
After a race or two, the worn part of the strip could be trimmed off, 
readjusted and re-bent to click loudly once again. It was a true work of art, 
and it made the world of slot car racing accessible to me!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 12 passenger 144WB 825 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard still in the shop!

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> On May 18, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Smoky, but fun!
> 
> https://www.thedrive.com/news/33536/slot-cars-used-to-have-tiny-diesel-engines-that-could-hit-60-mph
>  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

You probably had the oak-ids, the hickory-ids, or the walnut-ids.
https://www.pollen.com/forecast/current/pollen/29401
Gerry

On Mon, 18 May 2020 10:04:57 -0400
Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  wrote:

> I think I have had the pollen covids for the last 3-4 months at least.  
> Every time I go outside I start hacking and coughing
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 5/18/20 9:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like stuff 
> > back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already had a 
> > mild case of beer virus.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers 
> >> shooting each other, other deaths associated with activities that have 
> >> been diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will 
> >> be interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the months of 
> >> say March and April in the various categories.
> >>
> >> Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the covids 
> >> back in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a 
> >> cold, they felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly rapidly.  
> >> Their gated luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of nooyawkas have 2nd 
> >> or 3rd or 4th homes there and relocated) is having free testing this week 
> >> for the 1%ers so they will see if they got da bug.
> >>
> >> On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years is
> >>> likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
> >>> killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.
> >> -- 
> >> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>How'd that isolation thing working in NYC? 

The reason the virus spread to people in isolation in NYC is the vector of 
transmission. Fecal-oral. The less then hygienic Uber eats driver uses the 
bathroom, and doesn't wash properly, the shut ins order food, the delivery 
driver drops off food with virus filled fecal particles on the box, and perhaps 
in the food/box and voila, the shut ins get sick. 

That's one of two vectors of transmission the CDC, and other powers that be 
refuse to refer to. Fecal-oral, and fingers to eyes. Safety glasses would 
probably go farther to prevent the spread of this disease and others than 
fabric masks, but no one talks about that.  

Wash your hands. 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Exactly that.

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> On May 18, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> But what practical use is that knowledge unless it means that you have COV 19 
> immunity and therefore cannot be reinfected?
> 
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Dimitri Seretakis  
>> wrote:
>> Tells you if you’ve been infected. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On May 18, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > What info does the test yield?
>> > 
>> >> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:15 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Highly reliable antibody testing is readily available now.
>> >> 
>> >> Greg
>> >> 
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> >> Penoff via Mercedes
>> >> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 6:55 AM
>> >> To: Okie Benz
>> >> Cc: Dan Penoff
>> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out
>> >> 
>> >> I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like
>> >> stuff back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already 
>> >> had
>> >> a mild case of beer virus.
>> >> 
>> >> -D
>> >> 
>> >>> On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers
>> >> shooting each other, other deaths associated with activities that have 
>> >> been
>> >> diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will be
>> >> interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the months of say
>> >> March and April in the various categories.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the covids
>> >> back in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a
>> >> cold, they felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly rapidly.
>> >> Their gated luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of nooyawkas have 2nd 
>> >> or
>> >> 3rd or 4th homes there and relocated) is having free testing this week for
>> >> the 1%ers so they will see if they got da bug.
>> >>> 
>> >>> On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>>  Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years
>> >> is
>>  likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
>>  killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.
>> >>> 
>> >>> --
>> >>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] New E320 wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Excellent! Looking forward to the pictures.

Tax collector (where we go for title, registration and plates) opened two 
locations in the county last week. They typically have about 12 locations, I 
believe. Appointments only, no walk ins. I snagged one of the last appointments 
left on Friday to get the title and stuff for the 420E. Seats spread out at 6 
foot intervals, temperature taking at the entrance and a question and answer 
thing about the beer virus symptoms.

Other than that relatively painless. Bummed that mileage was exempted when the 
car left the state in 2015, meaning there’s no mileage record on the books now. 
I had them fill out a mileage statement and had the rent a cop who does VIN 
verifications sign it, so I’ve got a record of it for my keeping.

-D

> On May 18, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Stopped to have early supper and a car wash. Made it home no drama. Really 
> nice car. Pics manana. I have to figure out how to get title and plates, if 
> the county tax man and DMV are open. 
> 
> --FT
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>> On May 18, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m headed home in it.  Stopped to fill with gas as it was showing fumes. 
>> Only took 11gal and it was taking it slow, nozzle kept shutting off, but 
>> then seemed full. Gauge only showing 3/4. I got a fault when I checked it 
>> the other day saying the tank sending unit was bad so I guess it is. Future 
>> job. 
>> 
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] SEC

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Mechanical issues. $500 max, $300 would be better

--FT
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> On May 18, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://www.copart.com/lot/38067520
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Re: [MBZ] New E320 wagon

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Stopped to have early supper and a car wash. Made it home no drama. Really nice 
car. Pics manana. I have to figure out how to get title and plates, if the 
county tax man and DMV are open. 

--FT
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> On May 18, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m headed home in it.  Stopped to fill with gas as it was showing fumes. 
> Only took 11gal and it was taking it slow, nozzle kept shutting off, but then 
> seemed full. Gauge only showing 3/4. I got a fault when I checked it the 
> other day saying the tank sending unit was bad so I guess it is. Future job. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] New E320 wagon

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Enjoy.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 9:21 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m headed home in it.  Stopped to fill with gas as it was showing fumes.
> Only took 11gal and it was taking it slow, nozzle kept shutting off, but
> then seemed full. Gauge only showing 3/4. I got a fault when I checked it
> the other day saying the tank sending unit was bad so I guess it is. Future
> job.
>
> --R
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[MBZ] New E320 wagon

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I’m headed home in it.  Stopped to fill with gas as it was showing fumes. Only 
took 11gal and it was taking it slow, nozzle kept shutting off, but then seemed 
full. Gauge only showing 3/4. I got a fault when I checked it the other day 
saying the tank sending unit was bad so I guess it is. Future job. 

--R
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[MBZ] Diesel Slot Cars

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Smoky, but fun!

https://www.thedrive.com/news/33536/slot-cars-used-to-have-tiny-diesel-engines-that-could-hit-60-mph
 


-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Clay via Mercedes]

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On May 18, 2020, at 1:26 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Question for all you thinking folks, since all our Mercedes are fixed and
> the oil and tire threads have exhausted themselves...
> 
> Which is more important and valid:
> How many died of CV 19?

The dead do not drive Mercedes

> or
> How much public panic has been generated which permitted government
> mandated house arrest of millions of citizens and business closure /
> unemployment?

The many millions who have lost jobs and businesses could drive a Mercedes, 
purchase oil and tires, as well as make repairs to their Mercedes and then 
recount the trials and travails, as well as outstanding successes and 
adventures.  More gooder!

> or
> Real factual information about how CV 19 actually works, is transmitted,
> and the lasting effects?

The information about this will not make Mercedes cars Great Again, the way 
they were before anybody knew about SARS-Cov 2

> 
> Pick one, or all, and posit at will.
> 
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Right, but they claim it's anonymized. Is it really? Who knows.
>> 
>> I keep location services turned off on my phone anyway. I know that
>> doesn't prevent cell tower triangulation, but I don't think that's
>> something an app can really do, it has to be done by the carrier.
>> 
>> Also Google and Apple who have been working on a contract tracing
>> framework for COVID-19, have refused to allow app developers access to
>> location data, to the frustration of health authorities.
>> 
>> So the point is, it's harder for the government here to do contact
>> tracing via mobile phone than it is in say China or Singapore where they
>> can just demand all records and get them without pushback.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Not to burst your bubble, Allan, but mobile phone carriers have been
>> selling off our location data to third parties for years. It’s a huge
>> revenue stream for them. That’s starting to change, but they’ll go kicking
>> and screaming in the process.
>>> 
>>> This is a bit of a long read, but I would encourage anyone with a
>> cellular phone to read it and ponder the facts.
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html
>> <
>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 18, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 From a practical standpoint, a sizable number of people do not have a
 smartphone, especially in the population most vulnerable. Mobile phone
 carriers are private companies and say they will not turn over
 personally identifiable location data to the government without a
 warrant. The idea that people might be asked to carry something the
 equivalent of an ankle bracelet like a person on house arrest is a
 non-starter.
 
 Allan
 
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[MBZ] SEC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.copart.com/lot/38067520


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Clay via Mercedes]

It is a circus and based on current performance, I do not feel there is a 
handle on things yet.  This is the sort of thing happening every day the world 
over.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/washington-state-receives-bulk-shipment-of-q-tip-style-coronavirus-swabs/281-90e05670-2bd5-42b1-9ada-701c89d04110

Does not inspire confidence in testing, reporting, or treatment regimes if 
counterfeit and contaminated goods, or even ineffective products are part of 
the stream.  


clay 

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> On May 18, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Highly reliable antibody testing is readily available now.
> 
> Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

G Mann via Mercedes  writes:

> How many died of CV 19?

We don't know

> How much public panic has been generated which permitted government
> mandated house arrest of millions of citizens and business closure /
> unemployment?

A lot. Trillions of dollars worth, in the USA alone.

> Real factual information about how CV 19 actually works, is transmitted,
> and the lasting effects?

We don't know.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Clay via Mercedes]

I am fairly certain we all either have had it or will be touched by it sooner 
or later.  

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On May 18, 2020, at 5:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like stuff 
> back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already had a mild 
> case of beer virus.
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Max Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> The idea of that hook is, I think, to engage the clutch so the clutch
> disk is not touching the fly wheel or pressure plate, so they can't
> rust together.

Yes, in that situation it makes sense. I misread earlier.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The problem is the clutch plate rusting and freezing to the pressure plate
and flywheel.
Depending on location it is not unusual for tractors to set idle for many
months.

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 11:28 Allan Streib via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down
> > position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods.  These, of
> > course, have mechanical linkages.
>
> Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the throwout
> bearing?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The idea of that hook is, I think, to engage the clutch so the clutch disk is 
not touching the fly wheel or pressure plate, so they can't rust together.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 18, 2020 5:17:07 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

>   I may have misunderstood, on first read I thought he was saying you 
>  
> could hook the clutch pedal down while the tractor was idling for a long 
>  
> time. 
>  
>  
>  But to hook it down while the tractor *is idle* (i.e. not running) is 
>  
> probably what was meant, now that I read it again, and that makes more 
>  
> sense than my initial interpretation. 
>  
>  
>  Allan 
>  
>  
>  Max Dillon via Mercedes  writes: 
>  
>  
>   
>  
> 
> >Neutral is a transmission internal condition.  Clutch in or out is 
> > at the fly wheel / clutch disc / pressure plate, which is between engine 
> > and transmission. 
> >   
> >  
> >   Max Dillon 
> >   
> > Charleston SC 
> >   
> > May 18, 2020 11:28:22 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes : 
> >   
> >  
> >
> >   
> > 
> > >   Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes: 
> > >
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > > 
> > > >     Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in 
> > > > the down 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods.  
> > > > These, of 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > course, have mechanical linkages. 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >  
> > > Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the 
> > > throwout 
> > >
> > >  
> > >bearing? 
> > >
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Allan 
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Peter,

How'd that isolation thing working in NYC?  Over 80 deaths per 1000 cases.
Compare that with Florida, about 43 per 1000, and far less draconian
lock-down / isolation.  Why are all those New Yorkers fleeing and heading
to their vacation homes (including in FL)?

We've got community spreading going on, the "test and trace" horse has left
the barn and is probably a few counties away.  Testing, contact tracing and
isolating is a fantasy at this point.  When the Chinese Communist Party
isolated Wuhan from all internal travel, but permitted international
flights out of Wuhan to all corners of the globe, those commies made sure
community spread was going on all over the globe.  You can thank them.

Where is the science, where are the studies, that tell us that lock-down
and isolation works?  Meanwhile, real life data is telling us that it does
not work.

Your civil liberties and rights may not mean much to you, but to many in
this country they are essential to having a job and feeding a family.  If
you can afford to stay locked up in your house, no one is going to stop
you.  If people not wearing masks is too risky for you, then stay away from
them.  There are plenty of medical professionals against the idea that the
general public should be wearing masks in social situations, but that goes
against the narrative of fear perpetuated by the main stream media, so
their voice is never heard.  Wearing a mask can impede the flow of oxygen
into the blood stream, reducing 02 levels and making the wearer MORE
susceptible to infection of lungs.  Add increased touching of the face and
mask due to discomfort, and the risk of infection is going up.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 10:46 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread.  This is an
> unusual virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty
> is that it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on
> for some days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing.
>
> This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses,
> just much less transmissible.  Another long forgotten incident involved fur
> animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was
> possible.  That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for
> fur, and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing.
>
> The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if people
> can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of transmission, and
> when no more people are getting infected, eventually the virus will no long
> reproduce.
>
> My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department,
> and has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we
> are more or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were
> in place before the first cases showed up.  The result is that we have just
> over 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths.  Case number per day is
> down to five or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in
> observation for exposure.
>
> Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay
> at home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the
> books from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses
> like scarlet fever a measles.
>
> while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China worked.
> You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect the
> reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too
> much, they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China.  South Korea
> and Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very
> low cases as well.
>
> One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have
> come from a single club over a couple nights.  This is what I'm worried
> about with the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being
> infringed by public health measures.  Only takes one jerk ignoring the
> health rules to infect hundreds of people in close quarters.  Ditto for the
> boob that insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's
> now positive and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result.
>
> I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz for
> decades.  Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting really,
> really sick or killing my elderly mother.  We are not all isolated
> sovereign states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to
> remember everyone is entitled to what we are.  Or as my Grandmother used to
> say "You have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are
> standing on my toes"
>
> Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they
> want are notably absent when it's time to take 

Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Question for all you thinking folks, since all our Mercedes are fixed and
the oil and tire threads have exhausted themselves...

Which is more important and valid:
How many died of CV 19?
or
How much public panic has been generated which permitted government
mandated house arrest of millions of citizens and business closure /
unemployment?
or
Real factual information about how CV 19 actually works, is transmitted,
and the lasting effects?

Pick one, or all, and posit at will.

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Right, but they claim it's anonymized. Is it really? Who knows.
>
> I keep location services turned off on my phone anyway. I know that
> doesn't prevent cell tower triangulation, but I don't think that's
> something an app can really do, it has to be done by the carrier.
>
> Also Google and Apple who have been working on a contract tracing
> framework for COVID-19, have refused to allow app developers access to
> location data, to the frustration of health authorities.
>
> So the point is, it's harder for the government here to do contact
> tracing via mobile phone than it is in say China or Singapore where they
> can just demand all records and get them without pushback.
>
> Allan
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Not to burst your bubble, Allan, but mobile phone carriers have been
> selling off our location data to third parties for years. It’s a huge
> revenue stream for them. That’s starting to change, but they’ll go kicking
> and screaming in the process.
> >
> > This is a bit of a long read, but I would encourage anyone with a
> cellular phone to read it and ponder the facts.
> >
> >
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html
> <
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html
> >
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On May 18, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From a practical standpoint, a sizable number of people do not have a
> >> smartphone, especially in the population most vulnerable. Mobile phone
> >> carriers are private companies and say they will not turn over
> >> personally identifiable location data to the government without a
> >> warrant. The idea that people might be asked to carry something the
> >> equivalent of an ankle bracelet like a person on house arrest is a
> >> non-starter.
> >>
> >> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I may have misunderstood, on first read I thought he was saying you
could hook the clutch pedal down while the tractor was idling for a long
time.

But to hook it down while the tractor *is idle* (i.e. not running) is
probably what was meant, now that I read it again, and that makes more
sense than my initial interpretation.

Allan

Max Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> Neutral is a transmission internal condition.  Clutch in or out is at the fly 
> wheel / clutch disc / pressure plate, which is between engine and 
> transmission.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> May 18, 2020 11:28:22 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
>
>>   Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes: 
>>  
>>  
>>   
>>  
>> 
>> >Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down 
>> >   
>> > position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods.  These, of 
>> >   
>> > course, have mechanical linkages. 
>> >   
>> >  
>> >  
>>  
>>  Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the throwout 
>>  
>> bearing? 
>>  
>>  
>>  Allan 
>>  
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Neutral is a transmission internal condition.  Clutch in or out is at the fly 
wheel / clutch disc / pressure plate, which is between engine and transmission.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 18, 2020 11:28:22 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

>   Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes: 
>  
>  
>   
>  
> 
> >Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down 
> >   
> > position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods.  These, of 
> >   
> > course, have mechanical linkages. 
> >   
> >  
> >  
>  
>  Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the throwout 
>  
> bearing? 
>  
>  
>  Allan 
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Re: [MBZ] Forget About an AMG E60 or the Like, Kaleb

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Too new, wrong engine (V6).  You want the straight 6, which was two years only, 
2005-06.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 18, 2020 9:32:19 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

>   ok an autotempest search shows on that is getting in the realm that 
> would be a low cost of entry into hot rodding one 
>  
>  
>  
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/ctd/d/bradenton-2007-mercedes-class-e320-cdi/7119492721.html
>  
>  
>  
>   
>  On 5/16/20 11:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> >Do this to your E320 CDI: 
> >   
> >  
> >   https://youtu.be/cjIYsfKEYKM 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

But what practical use is that knowledge unless it means that you have COV
19 immunity and therefore cannot be reinfected?

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

> Tells you if you’ve been infected.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On May 18, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What info does the test yield?
> >
> >> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:15 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Highly reliable antibody testing is readily available now.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> >> Penoff via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 6:55 AM
> >> To: Okie Benz
> >> Cc: Dan Penoff
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out
> >>
> >> I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like
> >> stuff back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already
> had
> >> a mild case of beer virus.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers
> >> shooting each other, other deaths associated with activities that have
> been
> >> diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will be
> >> interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the months of
> say
> >> March and April in the various categories.
> >>>
> >>> Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the
> covids
> >> back in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a
> >> cold, they felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly rapidly.
> >> Their gated luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of nooyawkas have
> 2nd or
> >> 3rd or 4th homes there and relocated) is having free testing this week
> for
> >> the 1%ers so they will see if they got da bug.
> >>>
> >>> On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>  Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years
> >> is
>  likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
>  killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Tells you if you’ve been infected. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What info does the test yield?
> 
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:15 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Highly reliable antibody testing is readily available now.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 6:55 AM
>> To: Okie Benz
>> Cc: Dan Penoff
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out
>> 
>> I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like
>> stuff back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already had
>> a mild case of beer virus.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers
>> shooting each other, other deaths associated with activities that have been
>> diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will be
>> interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the months of say
>> March and April in the various categories.
>>> 
>>> Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the covids
>> back in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a
>> cold, they felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly rapidly.
>> Their gated luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of nooyawkas have 2nd or
>> 3rd or 4th homes there and relocated) is having free testing this week for
>> the 1%ers so they will see if they got da bug.
>>> 
>>> On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
 Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years
>> is
 likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
 killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Right, but they claim it's anonymized. Is it really? Who knows.

I keep location services turned off on my phone anyway. I know that
doesn't prevent cell tower triangulation, but I don't think that's
something an app can really do, it has to be done by the carrier.

Also Google and Apple who have been working on a contract tracing
framework for COVID-19, have refused to allow app developers access to
location data, to the frustration of health authorities.

So the point is, it's harder for the government here to do contact
tracing via mobile phone than it is in say China or Singapore where they
can just demand all records and get them without pushback.

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Not to burst your bubble, Allan, but mobile phone carriers have been selling 
> off our location data to third parties for years. It’s a huge revenue stream 
> for them. That’s starting to change, but they’ll go kicking and screaming in 
> the process.
>
> This is a bit of a long read, but I would encourage anyone with a cellular 
> phone to read it and ponder the facts.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html
>  
> 
>
> -D
>
>> On May 18, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> From a practical standpoint, a sizable number of people do not have a
>> smartphone, especially in the population most vulnerable. Mobile phone
>> carriers are private companies and say they will not turn over
>> personally identifiable location data to the government without a
>> warrant. The idea that people might be asked to carry something the
>> equivalent of an ankle bracelet like a person on house arrest is a
>> non-starter.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I need to clarify, this article covers developers and applications using 
location data, but it’s a similar problem. The carries sell it, too, and the 
third party companies that harvest it sell it to people like bail bondsmen and 
skip tracers, for example.

-D

> On May 18, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not to burst your bubble, Allan, but mobile phone carriers have been selling 
> off our location data to third parties for years. It’s a huge revenue stream 
> for them. That’s starting to change, but they’ll go kicking and screaming in 
> the process.
> 
> This is a bit of a long read, but I would encourage anyone with a cellular 
> phone to read it and ponder the facts.
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html
>  
> 
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 18, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> From a practical standpoint, a sizable number of people do not have a
>> smartphone, especially in the population most vulnerable. Mobile phone
>> carriers are private companies and say they will not turn over
>> personally identifiable location data to the government without a
>> warrant. The idea that people might be asked to carry something the
>> equivalent of an ankle bracelet like a person on house arrest is a
>> non-starter.
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not to burst your bubble, Allan, but mobile phone carriers have been selling 
off our location data to third parties for years. It’s a huge revenue stream 
for them. That’s starting to change, but they’ll go kicking and screaming in 
the process.

This is a bit of a long read, but I would encourage anyone with a cellular 
phone to read it and ponder the facts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html
 


-D

> On May 18, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> From a practical standpoint, a sizable number of people do not have a
> smartphone, especially in the population most vulnerable. Mobile phone
> carriers are private companies and say they will not turn over
> personally identifiable location data to the government without a
> warrant. The idea that people might be asked to carry something the
> equivalent of an ankle bracelet like a person on house arrest is a
> non-starter.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What info does the test yield?

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:15 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Highly reliable antibody testing is readily available now.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 6:55 AM
> To: Okie Benz
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out
>
> I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like
> stuff back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already had
> a mild case of beer virus.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers
> shooting each other, other deaths associated with activities that have been
> diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will be
> interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the months of say
> March and April in the various categories.
> >
> > Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the covids
> back in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a
> cold, they felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly rapidly.
> Their gated luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of nooyawkas have 2nd or
> 3rd or 4th homes there and relocated) is having free testing this week for
> the 1%ers so they will see if they got da bug.
> >
> > On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years
> is
> >> likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
> >> killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.
> >
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Highly reliable antibody testing is readily available now.

Greg

-Original Message-
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via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 6:55 AM
To: Okie Benz
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like stuff 
back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already had a mild 
case of beer virus.

-D

> On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers shooting 
> each other, other deaths associated with activities that have been 
> diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will be 
> interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the months of say 
> March and April in the various categories.
> 
> Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the covids back 
> in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a cold, they 
> felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly rapidly.  Their gated 
> luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of nooyawkas have 2nd or 3rd or 4th 
> homes there and relocated) is having free testing this week for the 1%ers so 
> they will see if they got da bug.
> 
> On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years is
>> likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
>> killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Not suggesting ingestion of illegal substances 1990 Mercedes-Benz 300sel. Car does not run $2999 (Mt. Pleasant)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The dealer list price for the 000s of good parts on this car way exceeds
$2999.

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:24 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If illegal substances existed in the higher-end community this seller
> could be a user, not that I am making any accusations, or would
>
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-pleasant-mercedes-benz-300sel/7125781574.html
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:

> Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down
> position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods.  These, of
> course, have mechanical linkages.

Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the throwout
bearing?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> If you just start with testing all symptomatic people and then testing and
> isolating their contacts, you can control it. You need to test until you
> get less than 3% positive results, and you need to find and isolate all
> contacts of known cases within a day. The masks and distancing also help
> somewhat, so it doesn't have to be either/or. Places like Taiwan, S. Korea,
> Singapore and China are using cell phones to trace cases and contacts and
> anyone new to the country in pretty sophisticated ways. If you go to
> Taiwan, they take your cell number and put you in quarantine. If your phone
> doesn't move for an hour, they call you to make sure you didn't leave it at
> home. If you don't answer, some dudes in uniform show up at your door to
> make sure you are there and nowhere else. In seoul, if anyone in your apt
> building tests positive, you get a call that you may have been exposed and
> you are asked to go downstairs to the pop up kiosk to be tested, and they
> text you results in about 6 hours. S. Korea learned the hard way with SARS
> and MERS so they put all this into play very rapidly the moment there was
> any word out of China that something was going on. Anyway we know how to
> control it. Only question is whether we want to.

That's all well and good for those countries, but I can't see it working
here. Our country is geographically much larger, our governmental
authority is much more decentralized, and we have a much stronger sense
of privacy as a right. I think a large fraction of the population would
not accept this. We already have sheriffs refusing to enforce executive
orders of their governors. I'm sure that would be unimaginable in
S. Korea and Singapore, not to mention China.

>From a practical standpoint, a sizable number of people do not have a
smartphone, especially in the population most vulnerable. Mobile phone
carriers are private companies and say they will not turn over
personally identifiable location data to the government without a
warrant. The idea that people might be asked to carry something the
equivalent of an ankle bracelet like a person on house arrest is a
non-starter.

We also believed what China and the WHO was telling us in the early part
of the year that this was under control in China and did not appear to
be transmissible from person-to-person. I guess we did learn that lesson.

Allan

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[MBZ] Not suggesting ingestion of illegal substances 1990 Mercedes-Benz 300sel. Car does not run $2999 (Mt. Pleasant)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

If illegal substances existed in the higher-end community this seller 
could be a user, not that I am making any accusations, or would


https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-pleasant-mercedes-benz-300sel/7125781574.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think I have had the pollen covids for the last 3-4 months at least.  
Every time I go outside I start hacking and coughing


--FT

On 5/18/20 9:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like stuff 
back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already had a mild 
case of beer virus.

-D


On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers shooting 
each other, other deaths associated with activities that have been diminished.  
I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will be interesting to see 
what the overall death rates are for the months of say March and April in the 
various categories.

Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the covids back 
in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a cold, they 
felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly rapidly.  Their gated 
luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of nooyawkas have 2nd or 3rd or 4th 
homes there and relocated) is having free testing this week for the 1%ers so 
they will see if they got da bug.

On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years is
likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.

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Re: [MBZ] Forget About an AMG E60 or the Like, Kaleb

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That car has been on CL for a while. Must be something up with it or a sketchy 
seller.

-D

> On May 18, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> ok an autotempest search shows on that is getting in the realm that would be 
> a low cost of entry into hot rodding one
> 
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/ctd/d/bradenton-2007-mercedes-class-e320-cdi/7119492721.html
> 
> 
> On 5/16/20 11:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Do this to your E320 CDI:
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/cjIYsfKEYKM
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like stuff 
back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already had a mild 
case of beer virus.

-D

> On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers shooting 
> each other, other deaths associated with activities that have been 
> diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will be 
> interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the months of say 
> March and April in the various categories.
> 
> Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the covids back 
> in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a cold, they 
> felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly rapidly.  Their gated 
> luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of nooyawkas have 2nd or 3rd or 4th 
> homes there and relocated) is having free testing this week for the 1%ers so 
> they will see if they got da bug.
> 
> On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years is
>> likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
>> killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers 
shooting each other, other deaths associated with activities that have 
been diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it 
will be interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the 
months of say March and April in the various categories.


Some friends (late 60s, he is a retired doc) believe they had the covids 
back in February -- some sort of flu-like thing but not the flu, not a 
cold, they felt not real bad for 3-4 days then recovered fairly 
rapidly.  Their gated luxury resort lifestyle community (lot of 
nooyawkas have 2nd or 3rd or 4th homes there and relocated) is having 
free testing this week for the 1%ers so they will see if they got da bug.


On 5/18/20 1:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years is
likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.


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Re: [MBZ] Forget About an AMG E60 or the Like, Kaleb

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

ok an autotempest search shows on that is getting in the realm that 
would be a low cost of entry into hot rodding one


https://sarasota.craigslist.org/ctd/d/bradenton-2007-mercedes-class-e320-cdi/7119492721.html


On 5/16/20 11:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Do this to your E320 CDI:

https://youtu.be/cjIYsfKEYKM

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Karl:

This is what needs to happen.  Sadly we live in a country which at the moment 
is completely focused on self, with a lot of money being spent on keeping us 
that way.

Somehow the right of political freedom and freedom to practice religion becomes 
freedom from responsibility and law, along with forgetting that EVERYONE has 
the same rights, and when one person's rights stop when they collide with 
another's!

With no treatment and no vaccine any time soon, we have to use the same disease 
control practices used a century ago, with the plus that we CAN test for this 
virus, accurately and fairly rapidly.

The social disruption would have been a lot less if we had quarantined people 
traveling from Asia in January, not just refused non-citizens entry.  This is a 
virus, not a nationality, after all.  Probably should have quarantined everyone 
coming into the country.

That and rapid contact tracing would have vastly reduced the spread.  
Disruptive, sure.  Smart, absolutely.  

Doing what South Korea and Taiwan did would have pretty much eliminated the 
virus before it spread everywhere, but it's "politicially incorrect" to 
advocate for sane public health measure these days.

I have a friend with MS.  He is terrified to leave the house, is having 
groceries delivered.  If he gets it, he's very, very likely to end up dead.  
I'm high risk -- 64, out of shape, history of asthma and heart disease.  I 
don't want to die early either.

Wear your dd mask!


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Re: [MBZ] A project for some Jaime or Poos?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I see these as a basis for some cool Benz rat rods. More modern underpinnings, 
mo powah, wunnathem cranked-up CDIs, stacked, stanced...

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Re: [MBZ] A project for some Jaime or Poos?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Well, the tree sap would preserve the paint.

That's a few minutes away from me, if anyone wants me to have a looksee...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

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If you just start with testing all symptomatic people and then testing and
isolating their contacts, you can control it. You need to test until you
get less than 3% positive results, and you need to find and isolate all
contacts of known cases within a day. The masks and distancing also help
somewhat, so it doesn't have to be either/or. Places like Taiwan, S. Korea,
Singapore and China are using cell phones to trace cases and contacts and
anyone new to the country in pretty sophisticated ways. If you go to
Taiwan, they take your cell number and put you in quarantine. If your phone
doesn't move for an hour, they call you to make sure you didn't leave it at
home. If you don't answer, some dudes in uniform show up at your door to
make sure you are there and nowhere else. In seoul, if anyone in your apt
building tests positive, you get a call that you may have been exposed and
you are asked to go downstairs to the pop up kiosk to be tested, and they
text you results in about 6 hours. S. Korea learned the hard way with SARS
and MERS so they put all this into play very rapidly the moment there was
any word out of China that something was going on. Anyway we know how to
control it. Only question is whether we want to.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:17 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The problem with isolation is the 2 week waiting period, it's very hard to
> know who to isolate until it's too late
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM, OK Don wrote:   From
> what I understand (which isn't much), Covid-19 is in the same virus family
> as the common cold, while the flu is an influenza virus - a totally
> different family. No one has been able to develop a vaccine for the cold,
> but we do have marginally effective vaccines for the flu.If my assumptions
> are correct, expecting a vaccine for Covid-19 to be effective is an
> exercise in wishful thinking that will lead no where.
> I think that Karl is correct in that if we contain this virus via
> isolation so it can't spread beyond those it has infected already, we can
> stop it in it's tracks and all of us don't have to get it.However, given
> that a lot of Americans don't trust and won't listen to those who know
> about this stuff, from the President on down, there is no hope of stopping
> it. We will all get it, many of us will be very sick and permanently
> debilitated by it, and too many will die from it. That having been said,
> the planet is over populated ...
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:50 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Karl,
> Does anybody honestly believe the numbers coming out of China? I find them
> so low as to be a joke...
> I'm with Rick, we're all going to get this eventually, it's essentially a
> new, much worse, flu. Get used to the idea now. This who are waiting for a
> vaccine ignore the fact that the record for a vaccine release is 4 years.
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:52 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Rick I won't tell either of them that you
> said they were fat or unhealthy
> :-) Picture very fit, active, healthy moms in their 40s and you will have
> the idea.
>
> My point is exactly that: many people (including me) want to minimize this
> thing by thinking that all the people getting sick are somehow not like
> them, but this is not the case. Statistically sure most young healthy
> people are not going to die from it. But it still makes normal, otherwise
> healthy, middle age people very sick in a way that influenza does not, over
> a much longer interval measured in weeks rather than days. I am talking
> about not being able to speak in full sentences for weeks, being short of
> breath talking on the phone. Having pain in your lungs when you breathe.
> For weeks.
>
> I think the flu comparison article I posted speaks to this. Covid deaths
> this year are multiples of influenza deaths even in a bad year.
>
> Exercise is always good, as is eating right, not smoking and not being fat.
>
> I am not trying to alarm anyone, or advocate for any particular response,
> other than to rank it higher on the list of threats in your thinking than
> the flu, take appropriate precautions, etc. Saying we are all going to get
> it is rather defeatist when it is clearly possible to suppress to virtually
> zero e.g. Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, Singapore, S. Korea. I dont think any
> of us want to give it to our parents or elderly friends. Wash hands, wear a
> mask if you are close to vulnerable people for more than 30 minutes in a
> poorly ventilated space, these are sensible precautions that don't cost
> much. Maybe we will start to track it better so we dont end up shutting the
> whole economy down.
>
> Ok maybe I was silly to bring it up, especially for Euan in New Zealand
> where they dont even have any of this disease.
>
> Maybe the meth jokes arent so bad after all.
>
> 

Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes it's too early to say whether any vaccine will be forthcoming and if it
does come, what sort of durable immunity it will provide. Those studies
take years typically. Not sure anyone is going to want to take a vaccine if
it may not provide more than a few months' immunity.

Thankfully SARS and MERS were known to generate immunity lasting years. So
the most closely related viruses to this one seem at least to have the
possibility of lasting immunity.

Infection with seasonal coronaviruses on the other hand does not provide
any durable immunity and it is possible to become infected with the same
virus type multiple times within a single cold season. This is why some
people are saying covid-19 may not generate a durable immune response. But
in Italy and other countries, reinfections seem very rare if not altogether
absent. Some people shed viral RNA for a long time, but that does not mean
they become sick again or were reinfected.

It is possible to control, but it would take a massive effort that would
likely require national leadership of a type that has not been forthcoming.
Public Health police powers are very broad. Health departments or the CDC
could easily request location data from google and apple and they would be
legally compelled to provide it under existing law. But the mandate for CDC
to begin an all out war on the virus through test and trace has not been
given to them. States like CA and NY are training armies of contact tracers
and amping up testing ability, so we may see some aggressive local and
state efforts to bring this thing to heel in areas where it has killed a
lot of people.

I spoke with a Dr. buddy in Sweden today. He said their medical community
is a bit split on whether they have done enough to combat the virus. But
practically speaking they have all been isolating for a couple of months
and their kids have been out of school for similar periods of time. So even
though they had not mandatory shut down, they had pretty high levels of
civic self-isolation. They have more deaths than surrounding countries, but
less than we do, or Spain or some other European countries.

It will be interesting to see what happens with loosening. We have seen a
bit of an uptick over the past few days where I work. Practically speaking,
I actually think there is pretty good anecdotal evidence from 1918 that the
cities where aggressive control measures were taken earliest had the most
rapid and complete economic recoveries. So I think it is in everyone's best
interest for the Feds to lead a gumshoe epidemiology effort to squash this
thing. The virus may have to kill a lot more people to generate enough
political support across the board for such an effort, but I actually see
this more as a virus vs human thing, rather than a blue vs red thing. The
virus will always be the best advocate for its own control. If someone has
to convince someone else it is bad, then it must not be that bad - yet. It
would be great if it just never got that bad in less urban areas, but rural
America skews very old in terms of demographics and it may just grind along
at a slower rate in those areas than it did on the subway in NYC. We still
don't know why NYC was harder hit than CA, but public transit and perhaps
more importation of infected people along with some earlier lockdown
measures out west may account for the difference. I think 15% of the
world's coronavirus deaths have now happened in and around NYC including
NJ, CT etc.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 6:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> From what I understand (which isn't much), Covid-19 is in the same virus
> family as the common cold, while the flu is an influenza virus - a totally
> different family. No one has been able to develop a vaccine for the cold,
> but we do have marginally effective vaccines for the flu.
> If my assumptions are correct, expecting a vaccine for Covid-19 to be
> effective is an exercise in wishful thinking that will lead no where.
>
> I think that Karl is correct in that if we contain this virus via
> isolation so it can't spread beyond those it has infected already, we can
> stop it in it's tracks and all of us don't have to get it.
> However, given that a lot of Americans don't trust and won't listen to
> those who know about this stuff, from the President on down, there is no
> hope of stopping it. We will all get it, many of us will be very sick and
> permanently debilitated by it, and too many will die from it. That having
> been said, the planet is over populated ...
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:50 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Karl,
> > Does anybody honestly believe the numbers coming out of China? I find
> them
> > so low as to be a joke...
> > I'm with Rick, we're all going to get this eventually, it's essentially a
> > new, much worse, flu. Get used to the idea now. This who are waiting for
> a
> > vaccine ignore the fact that the record for a vaccine release is 4 years.
> > Curt
> >
> >