[MBZ] I stopped for gas and decided to sell my car

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-1999-mercedes-500sl/7259193002.html

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Re: [MBZ] Insanity

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Wel

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/spencer-baja-bug/7258986933.html


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Re: [MBZ] Wtf?

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Charlatans 

Bob T

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 7:25 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> I have no idea. I think these are the reinvent the wheel people. 
> 
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if it’s that guy that was the new Rusty who tried to screw us back 
>> when  Jabba was pretty good compared to him
>> 
>> --FT
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[MBZ] Insanity

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2538247556488222/

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: MBCA & The Pittsburgh Section Present: Automotive Brake Systems: Design, Maintenance, Repair, and Restoration

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Pierre must be having an impact.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: MBCA & The Pittsburgh Section Present: Automotive Brake 
Systems: Design, Maintenance, Repair, and Restoration

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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MBCA & The Pittsburgh Section Present: Automotive Brake Systems: Design,
Maintenance, Repair, and Restoration

*MBCA & The Pittsburgh Section Present:*


*Automotive Brake Systems: Design, Maintenance, Repair, and
Restoration **January
30, 2021*
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*Overview:*

   - Basic theory behind how brakes work
   - Key inspections to ensure they are performing at a peak level
   - Different braking components – how do I tell when it’s time to replace
   them and what choices do I have?
   - How to safely work on my Benz brakes
   - Basic steps involved in renewing a disc-brake system (and a few words
   on drum brakes)
   - How do parking brakes work?
   - What if I decide to attend a track day?
   - Advanced Topic #1: Anti-lock Braking Systems (ABS)
   - Advanced Topic #2: The Mercedes-Benz SBC (Sensotronic Brake Control)
   used from 2001-2011
   - Advanced Topic #3: Dealing with older high-mileage (especially rusty)
   vehicles
   - “Zen and the Art of Benz Maintenance”


*Presenters:*

   - Paul Bowman, Ph.D. - ~45 years of experience in automotive
   maintenance/repairs/restoration with focus on European classics
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   Brakes at Honda of America Manufacturing (also a huge fan of European cars)



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[MBZ] Fwd: MBCA & The Pittsburgh Section Present: Automotive Brake Systems: Design, Maintenance, Repair, and Restoration

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Subject: MBCA & The Pittsburgh Section Present: Automotive Brake Systems:
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MBCA & The Pittsburgh Section Present: Automotive Brake Systems: Design,
Maintenance, Repair, and Restoration

*MBCA & The Pittsburgh Section Present:*


*Automotive Brake Systems: Design, Maintenance, Repair, and
Restoration **January
30, 2021*
*10:00 AM PT *| *12:00 PM CT | 1:00 PM ET*

*Login Information to "Google Meets" session will be sent 3 days before
event to first 100 members who RSVP to mbcapghchap...@gmail.com
*

*Overview:*

   - Basic theory behind how brakes work
   - Key inspections to ensure they are performing at a peak level
   - Different braking components – how do I tell when it’s time to replace
   them and what choices do I have?
   - How to safely work on my Benz brakes
   - Basic steps involved in renewing a disc-brake system (and a few words
   on drum brakes)
   - How do parking brakes work?
   - What if I decide to attend a track day?
   - Advanced Topic #1: Anti-lock Braking Systems (ABS)
   - Advanced Topic #2: The Mercedes-Benz SBC (Sensotronic Brake Control)
   used from 2001-2011
   - Advanced Topic #3: Dealing with older high-mileage (especially rusty)
   vehicles
   - “Zen and the Art of Benz Maintenance”


*Presenters:*

   - Paul Bowman, Ph.D. - ~45 years of experience in automotive
   maintenance/repairs/restoration with focus on European classics
   - Alexander Bowman, BS Mechanical Engineer, Vehicle Dynamics Chassis and
   Brakes at Honda of America Manufacturing (also a huge fan of European cars)



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Re: [MBZ] Wtf?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have no idea. I think these are the reinvent the wheel people. 

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> I wonder if it’s that guy that was the new Rusty who tried to screw us back 
> when  Jabba was pretty good compared to him
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Wtf?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I wonder if it’s that guy that was the new Rusty who tried to screw us back 
when  Jabba was pretty good compared to him

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[MBZ] Wtf?

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Re: [MBZ] LOBALLED 04E500

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

As they say in TN,  bless your heart for trying this project. I love my
722.6 but don't know about codes.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 5:49 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So here's the thing.  I have this sorta trashed 03E500 sitting here that
> has the same engine but a 722.6.  I am guessing that swapping in the
> 722.6 would be all manner of electronic hell given the transmission
> control units are part of the whole car electronics system, but that
> would be the way to do it and be done with the "upgraded" transmission
>
> I'm doing some digging, it might be possible to find a used
> TCM(VGS)/conductor plate and use my clone XENTRY/DAS to reprogram it to
> match the car.  It MIGHT be possible to take the codes out of the old
> unit and transfer them to a "new" one of the same flavor.  Apparently MB
> decided to make anti-theft part of the TCM too, so every part has to be
> speaking the same coded language to every other part in the system or
> the car no workie.  Go figure.
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/8/21 5:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > On 2021-01-08 16:40, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> I can probably drive it home (30mph at 5000rpm!),
> >
> > Wow. I believe I drove the W140 home at 35-40mph and a lot less than 5k.
> > But I guess 2nd gear in a 7 speed might be lower than 2nd gear in a 5
> > speed.
> >
> > If you can't fix it, can you find a stick that bolts up to that engine
> > and can handle the torque?
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Re: [MBZ] LOBALLED 04E500

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Can you find a lowballed E350 with 7 speed and bad balance shafts, swap 
transmissions, and toss the E350 back on the lowball market?


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Re: [MBZ] LOBALLED 04E500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So here's the thing.  I have this sorta trashed 03E500 sitting here that 
has the same engine but a 722.6.  I am guessing that swapping in the 
722.6 would be all manner of electronic hell given the transmission 
control units are part of the whole car electronics system, but that 
would be the way to do it and be done with the "upgraded" transmission


I'm doing some digging, it might be possible to find a used 
TCM(VGS)/conductor plate and use my clone XENTRY/DAS to reprogram it to 
match the car.  It MIGHT be possible to take the codes out of the old 
unit and transfer them to a "new" one of the same flavor.  Apparently MB 
decided to make anti-theft part of the TCM too, so every part has to be 
speaking the same coded language to every other part in the system or 
the car no workie.  Go figure.


--FT

On 1/8/21 5:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On 2021-01-08 16:40, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Yes.

I can probably drive it home (30mph at 5000rpm!),


Wow. I believe I drove the W140 home at 35-40mph and a lot less than 5k.
But I guess 2nd gear in a 7 speed might be lower than 2nd gear in a 5 
speed.


If you can't fix it, can you find a stick that bolts up to that engine 
and can handle the torque?


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Re: [MBZ] LOBALLED 04E500

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On 2021-01-08 16:40, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Yes.

I can probably drive it home (30mph at 5000rpm!),


Wow. I believe I drove the W140 home at 35-40mph and a lot less than 5k.
But I guess 2nd gear in a 7 speed might be lower than 2nd gear in a 5 
speed.


If you can't fix it, can you find a stick that bolts up to that engine 
and can handle the torque?


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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 "Drove him to the farm" and into the oven? ;)Pheasants are my favorite game 
bird, they're delicious...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 5:27:57 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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 On 2021-01-08 17:14, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> My favorite thing about Mercedes cars at least up through the 124 was
> the rubber mat on the floor of the trunk. Carpeted trunks will get
> dirty and hold odors...

My 1979 S class has a rubber trunk mat.
My 1977 Saab was carpeted. One time in the 1980s, when we still had a 
lot of pheasants in Michigan (but never saw any wild turkeys), a 
cockfight crash landed in the road in front of me. The loser could 
barely stand up, but wasn't bloody, just exhausted. Winner wanted to 
kill him.
I grabbed the loser, threw him in the trunk, and drove him to the farm 
about 4 miles away. SOB crapped on my carpet.

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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On 2021-01-08 17:14, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

My favorite thing about Mercedes cars at least up through the 124 was
the rubber mat on the floor of the trunk. Carpeted trunks will get
dirty and hold odors...


My 1979 S class has a rubber trunk mat.
My 1977 Saab was carpeted. One time in the 1980s, when we still had a 
lot of pheasants in Michigan (but never saw any wild turkeys), a 
cockfight crash landed in the road in front of me. The loser could 
barely stand up, but wasn't bloody, just exhausted. Winner wanted to 
kill him.
I grabbed the loser, threw him in the trunk, and drove him to the farm 
about 4 miles away. SOB crapped on my carpet.


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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 My favorite thing about Mercedes cars at least up through the 124 was the 
rubber mat on the floor of the trunk. Carpeted trunks will get dirty and hold 
odors...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 4:45:45 PM EST, Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
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 Sedan as hauler is a good thing.  Best ever in my mind was the /8.  Trunk went 
on for miles and the rear seat bottom and back remove easy.  For a bit more 
room inside, the SDL was almost as roomy as a TD getting seats and bumpers back 
from the PnP.  Got a Silverado driver door hauled 250 miles to my cousin.

clay 

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I might remind you too, that in a few shorts weeks tax refund season is here. 
> That along with some sort of $2k stimulus and perhaps some form of UBI is 
> going to push used car and truck prices into the stratosphere.
> 
> Buy now, if you can.
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The Honda's fatal flaw as a real truck is that its unibody. Overload it at 
your peril.
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 3:28:49 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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 Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

>  Honda Ridgeline

I personally will never own another Honda. Overrated. Fatal transmission
failures on both Hondas that I have owned.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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I am not pleased with the honda quality either.  Had Acura and honda sedans 
that were buzzy.  Strict need to service engines or they fail.  I was looking 
at the Pilot in 2019.  It was the right size for my needs, but quality, again, 
was just not there.  Pricy and not any better than a 1986 Astro van

---
clay

I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
looking for didn't fall out.




> On Jan 8, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Honda Ridgeline
> 
> I personally will never own another Honda. Overrated. Fatal transmission
> failures on both Hondas that I have owned.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Sedan as hauler is a good thing.  Best ever in my mind was the /8.  Trunk went 
on for miles and the rear seat bottom and back remove easy.  For a bit more 
room inside, the SDL was almost as roomy as a TD getting seats and bumpers back 
from the PnP.  Got a Silverado driver door hauled 250 miles to my cousin.

clay 

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I might remind you too, that in a few shorts weeks tax refund season is here. 
> That along with some sort of $2k stimulus and perhaps some form of UBI is 
> going to push used car and truck prices into the stratosphere.
> 
> Buy now, if you can.
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] LOBALLED 04E500

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

yep

Now I am trying to learn how to diagnose and fix it without spending 
$1000 on a new TCM etc


--FT

On 1/8/21 4:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

So you bought it?

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On Jan 8, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I had a long write up but my phone lost it. Anyway, went to look at it. 
156kmi, needs detailing as it has been sitting for a coupla months and the 
interior needs a good wash down too, carpet mostly. Body/paint very good, 
driver seat has a tear but not unusual. 2 nearly new Michelins, other 2 are 
about half.  Headlights need buffing.  Quite decent looking car.

Put the scanner on it, trans was showing 4 codes which I cleared, then drove 
the car. It is in limp mode but otherwise ran and drove fine. Scanned it again 
and showed the TCM (called a VGS or something) was uncommunicative. This is a 
722.9 and is quite a bit more complicated than the 722.6, the TCM is part of 
the conductor plate.  I need to learn about it.

Guy was driving on the interstate when it went into limp mode, no warning. I 
guess it could be the TCM fried or maybe some other electrical aspect. I will 
find out. Transmission shop said it needed a whole new trans and some other 
stuff at $7k.

I talked him and management out of wasting time and a decent car by parting it 
out.

$900







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Re: [MBZ] LOBALLED 04E500

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So you bought it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had a long write up but my phone lost it. Anyway, went to look at it. 
> 156kmi, needs detailing as it has been sitting for a coupla months and the 
> interior needs a good wash down too, carpet mostly. Body/paint very good, 
> driver seat has a tear but not unusual. 2 nearly new Michelins, other 2 are 
> about half.  Headlights need buffing.  Quite decent looking car. 
> 
> Put the scanner on it, trans was showing 4 codes which I cleared, then drove 
> the car. It is in limp mode but otherwise ran and drove fine. Scanned it 
> again and showed the TCM (called a VGS or something) was uncommunicative. 
> This is a 722.9 and is quite a bit more complicated than the 722.6, the TCM 
> is part of the conductor plate.  I need to learn about it.  
> 
> Guy was driving on the interstate when it went into limp mode, no warning. I 
> guess it could be the TCM fried or maybe some other electrical aspect. I will 
> find out. Transmission shop said it needed a whole new trans and some other 
> stuff at $7k. 
> 
> I talked him and management out of wasting time and a decent car by parting 
> it out. 
> 
> $900
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] LOBALLED 04E500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yes.

I can probably drive it home (30mph at 5000rpm!), it's not too far away, 
or load it on my trailer and drag it home, but I have to unload a load 
of compost that is sitting in it (the trailer not the car) now


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On 1/8/21 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

You bought it for $900?  What will it cost to trailer it back?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 4:02 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


I had a long write up but my phone lost it. Anyway, went to look
at it. 156kmi, needs detailing as it has been sitting for a coupla
months and the interior needs a good wash down too, carpet mostly.
Body/paint very good, driver seat has a tear but not unusual. 2
nearly new Michelins, other 2 are about half.  Headlights need
buffing.  Quite decent looking car.

Put the scanner on it, trans was showing 4 codes which I cleared,
then drove the car. It is in limp mode but otherwise ran and drove
fine. Scanned it again and showed the TCM (called a VGS or
something) was uncommunicative. This is a 722.9 and is quite a bit
more complicated than the 722.6, the TCM is part of the conductor
plate.  I need to learn about it.

Guy was driving on the interstate when it went into limp mode, no
warning. I guess it could be the TCM fried or maybe some other
electrical aspect. I will find out. Transmission shop said it
needed a whole new trans and some other stuff at $7k.

I talked him and management out of wasting time and a decent car
by parting it out.

$900





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Re: [MBZ] LOBALLED 04E500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You bought it for $900?  What will it cost to trailer it back?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 4:02 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I had a long write up but my phone lost it. Anyway, went to look at it.
> 156kmi, needs detailing as it has been sitting for a coupla months and the
> interior needs a good wash down too, carpet mostly. Body/paint very good,
> driver seat has a tear but not unusual. 2 nearly new Michelins, other 2 are
> about half.  Headlights need buffing.  Quite decent looking car.
>
> Put the scanner on it, trans was showing 4 codes which I cleared, then
> drove the car. It is in limp mode but otherwise ran and drove fine. Scanned
> it again and showed the TCM (called a VGS or something) was
> uncommunicative. This is a 722.9 and is quite a bit more complicated than
> the 722.6, the TCM is part of the conductor plate.  I need to learn about
> it.
>
> Guy was driving on the interstate when it went into limp mode, no warning.
> I guess it could be the TCM fried or maybe some other electrical aspect. I
> will find out. Transmission shop said it needed a whole new trans and some
> other stuff at $7k.
>
> I talked him and management out of wasting time and a decent car by
> parting it out.
>
> $900
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Trucks are one of those vehicles where when you need one, there isn't a
great substitute. Cheap utility trailers don't take much weight, it's an
extra registration to pay for, and most modern cars have limited (or
zero) towing capacity.

Sure you can generally get along without one, and they aren't super
practical as a daily driver, but if you can only have one vehicle and
you sometimes need a truck, you get a truck.

Just one example, where I live I have to take my trash and recycling to
a county dumpster 5 miles away. I'm not going to want a week's worth of
stinky trash bags in my back seat, and hooking up a trailer for that is
kind of a nuisance. So I use the truck for that. And whenever I need to
haul something large, dirty, or heavy--which ends up being at least once
a month or so--it's convenient.

Allan

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> Yes this is the point I was making. Most people who want a truck don't have
> any pressing indication for one. Figure out what the main use case is. If
> you need 4wd, or to plow snow, or tow a boat, then maybe. But an SUV or van
> is far more practical for most people. There are so many cool little vans
> now. And I haul my plywood, pheasants, rolls of astroturf for the yard,
> dead deer and aluminum bar on a Yakima roof rack on the 300td.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 11:33 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-01-08 14:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> > I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited
>> > locking storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility
>> > trailer.
>> > OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a
>> > planet killer and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord
>> > of wood can I get in the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants
>> > can I get into it?" would be applicable too.
>>
>>
>> A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years
>> home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume
>> that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at
>> least once.
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Trucks are just stupid expensive.  Have been for years.

#1 boy is interested in the work truck he is using.  Company has contracted 
with decline in oil patch work, so there are many vehicles taking up space.  He 
uses a ten year old crew cab that was formerly supervisor/manager ride, so it 
is well appointed.  Diesel with big miles.  Not been thrashed, but also not 
getting maintained either.  The ask is over $20k.  Pretty much the same as 
getting a 15-20 year old smaller PU of the nissan or toyota flavor.  US iron is 
pretty thrashed and still expensive from private or used lot.

Clay


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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Bob says:
> 
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
> 
> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small 
> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and shop. 
> Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There are 
> occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative 
> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan Frontier. 
> Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure points of 
> each particular make and model and what your tolerance for repairs is.
> 
> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short beds, 
> and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general public. 
> A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so will be 
> priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when the time 
> comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded car trailer.
> 
> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you, 
> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction 
> though.
> 
> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a 
> used truck he is looking at.
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years 
> home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume 
> that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at 
> least once.

One of those weird memory snapshots of a moment from my childhood is
when my dad and I took the back seat out of the '66 Rambler he had, and
loaded it up with firewood. I was maybe 8 years old or so? I think we
brought home three loads on a Saturday.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

>  Honda Ridgeline

I personally will never own another Honda. Overrated. Fatal transmission
failures on both Hondas that I have owned.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Good luck finding a working instrument panel

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Ultimately I think the future of these new EVs will be a hard push into
leasing, not owning.

I just watched an Adam Carolla podcast with Henrik Fisker. Fisker is
coming out with an electric SUV they are calling Ocean.

https://www.fiskerinc.com/

Maybe it's a gimmick, but they are planning to offer a lease where you
make a down payment and get a montly payment but you can return it
whenever you want with a 30,000 mile yearly limit. So you don't have
anxiety about being stuck with a lease you can't afford if your
circumstances change. From their website, "Currently, we do not offer a
purchase option at any point during your lease." The lease includes
insurance and all servicing.

With EVs that are completely computer controlled, there's not going to
be a lot a home DIY mechanic can do. Why own the car at that point? At
least that's what they think is going to be appealing.

If all cars are leased, they can be refurbed or recycled when they are
returned, and manufacturers are no longer on the hook to maintain a
parts supply for decades. Mercedes won't need to worry about spare
hyperscreens.

Allan


Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> for your 30 year old car in 2050...
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/7/22217267/mercedes-benz-hyperscreen-size-specs-eqs-ces-2021

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes Benz 300SDL w126 / $9, 500 FIRM - $9, 500 (Statesboro)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Firm, shmirm.  Offer 7.5k and tell him he's lucky to get that.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 9:02 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Crack
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Pretty blue, looks to be in excellent condition
> >
> >
> https://statesboro.craigslist.org/cto/d/portal-1987-mercedes-benz-300sdl-firm/7258365581.html
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 1966 200 Finntail W110 - $4, 800 (Raleigh) Motivated seller.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

no pics

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-mercedes-benz-finntail-w110/7258903217.html

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Last Chevy I owned was an early '90s era Blazer (the SUV version of the
S-10). It was a RWD version. Over the years we owned it, it had some
annoying electical gremlins but no major mechanical problems.

Last Ford I owned was an F150 crew cab it was about a 2001 model. Also a
RWD model. Zero issues with it, though a friend had a slightly older
Expedition and he had repeated coil pack failures.

No experience with anything newer than my '04 Frontier, which I bought
with insurance money when the F150 was totaled. It is very true that
trucks depreciate less and prices can be surprisingly high even on older
ones. Toyotas and Nissans hold value better than domestics but these
days I'm not sure they are objectively better vehicles.

I test drove a Ford Ranger when I bought the Nissan, and I would have
probably gone with it except it had a standard cab and the Nissan had
the King cab. At the time my kids were small and they thought the jump
seats were fun. Fast forward 10 years and they weren't so useful but
it's still nice to have that area behind the seats for groceries, etc.

You can save money, weight, and complexity by avoiding 4WD if you don't
need it. I'd say a Ranger would be worth a look.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Cheaper, easier to work on, more reliable.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why? What makes the Chevy better than the Ford, for example?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Colorado/canyon 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t 
 care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive 
 trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have 
 decent small trucks?
 
 -D
 
> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
> about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the 
> earlier model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will 
> have the aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law 
>> has decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is 
>> ridiculous how expensive they are.
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose 
>> I will try to help the boy out.
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes this is the point I was making. Most people who want a truck don't have
any pressing indication for one. Figure out what the main use case is. If
you need 4wd, or to plow snow, or tow a boat, then maybe. But an SUV or van
is far more practical for most people. There are so many cool little vans
now. And I haul my plywood, pheasants, rolls of astroturf for the yard,
dead deer and aluminum bar on a Yakima roof rack on the 300td.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 11:33 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 2021-01-08 14:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited
> > locking storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility
> > trailer.
> > OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a
> > planet killer and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord
> > of wood can I get in the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants
> > can I get into it?" would be applicable too.
>
>
> A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years
> home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume
> that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at
> least once.
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Alternately in early-mid summer that money will be all gone and people will 
have loans they can't afford. Barely used vehicles get traded back in and 
resold at a discount. Could be really good for the used vehicle market.
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 2:40:34 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I might remind you too, that in a few shorts weeks tax refund season is here. 
That along with some sort of $2k stimulus and perhaps some form of UBI is going 
to push used car and truck prices into the stratosphere.

Buy now, if you can.


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 One of the days I hunted last season I took Angie's Golf. The deer considered 
how upset she would be with me and didn't show up.
Actually a car would be kind of an advantage in the low deck height to lift the 
deer into.There is no way I could get my car in to the place I spent most of my 
hunting time last season. When we had snow the pickup dragged pretty badly 
through it. Last year I went every time it snowed because I was worried that if 
we got 2 storms in a row I wouldn't be able to get in with the truck...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 2:33:00 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2021-01-08 14:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited
> locking storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility
> trailer.
> OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a
> planet killer and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord
> of wood can I get in the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants
> can I get into it?" would be applicable too.


A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years 
home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume 
that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at 
least once.

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I might remind you too, that in a few shorts weeks tax refund season is here. 
That along with some sort of $2k stimulus and perhaps some form of UBI is going 
to push used car and truck prices into the stratosphere.

Buy now, if you can.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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On 2021-01-08 14:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited
locking storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility
trailer.
OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a
planet killer and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord
of wood can I get in the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants
can I get into it?" would be applicable too.



A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years 
home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume 
that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at 
least once.


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> I think I want a Gulfstream 5. Can anyone help?

I suspect G Mann can


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Go out and drive them all, you'll quickly find the ones you like and the ones 
you don't. Theres a surprising difference between each considering the sameness 
of looks.

I don't remember what I didn't like about the Ford, I think it just seemed 
bland to me. I suspect that's why its the most popular truck, theres nothing 
particularly loveable about it but nobody really dislikes it. I was kind of 
bored.
The Nissan Titan I found very exciting and fun to drive. I didn't fit well in 
the Frontier although I could never articulate why, I liked the Xterra fine and 
they were basically the same truck.
I've not driven a current Tundra but I liked the 2006 model we drove other than 
it was way overpriced, like priced the same as the Dodge we bought that was 4 
years newer.
Angie hated the headrests in the Chevy so that one was out. The seats are 
probably different now.

-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 2:19:53 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I think the Rangers might be a good choice, but I‘ll look at the Chevy 
equivalent, too. I’m more comfortable with Ford products over the years, so 
given the choice I would lean in that direction.

I’m going to spend some time this weekend doing more in-depth research.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-08 14:07, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
>> Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...
> 
> Specifically, I was talking about trucks from 1972-1982 wearing that name.
> I totally forgot about these, I wonder what one as pictured would go for on 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited locking 
storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility trailer.
OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a planet killer 
and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord of wood can I get in 
the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants can I get into it?" would be 
applicable too. Although its the access to the woods thats more important to me.
Our Dodge got its limits pushed this year, especially when hunting buddy Zach 
took his Colorado in the snow and got stuck. To be fair the Colorado would 
probably have done fine if it didn't have baloney skin tires. With its 
aggressive tires, limited slip rear end and my willingness to stand on the loud 
pedal the Dodge and I got him out.
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 2:08:58 PM EST, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. "Thinks he wants" sounds like a
great candidate for a Ford LTD or Toyota corolla with 5 speed. Why would
anyone getting married buy a truck unless they can write it off for
business purposes? Inefficient, impractical, expensive. Maybe one of those
little utility Vans if he needs a work truck. I say this having driven
pickups for about the first 15 years of my licensure.

I think I want a Gulfstream 5. Can anyone help?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:44 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bob says:
>
> >Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
>
> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small
> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and
> shop. Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There
> are occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative
> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan
> Frontier. Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure
> points of each particular make and model and what your tolerance for
> repairs is.
>
> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short
> beds, and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general
> public. A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so
> will be priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when
> the time comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded
> car trailer.
>
> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you,
> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction
> though.
>
> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a
> used truck he is looking at.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-01-08 14:12, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


I find the Tacoma very uncomfortable to ride in and hugely overpriced.
With a Dodge/Ford/Chevy/Nissan full size you get way more truck for
nearly the same price.


My Tacoma loving neighbor 'had to' replace his ultra low mile Taco a 
couple of years ago when the transmission failed (because a new Tundra 
is cheaper than a Taco transmission???) and found out he couldn't fit 
himself into the driver's seat of a 2018 Taco, so now he owns a Tundra. 
I saw it on the road for the first time yesterday, I don't know how he 
killed the transmission in the Taco when he seemingly never drives his 
trucks.


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think the Rangers might be a good choice, but I‘ll look at the Chevy 
equivalent, too. I’m more comfortable with Ford products over the years, so 
given the choice I would lean in that direction.

I’m going to spend some time this weekend doing more in-depth research.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-08 14:07, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
>> Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...
> 
> Specifically, I was talking about trucks from 1972-1982 wearing that name.
> I totally forgot about these, I wonder what one as pictured would go for on 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Do you have the new-type Ranger or the older 2011 and earlier?
We had a 2003 Ranger that was a really good woods truck. I remember once coming 
out of camp dragging the trailer hitch to the point it looked like we were 
leaving 3 wheel ruts. Another time I hauled firewood loaded to the roofline, I 
can't believe I didn't break a spring that time.
It was a terrible highway truck, bouncy and unpleasant for long highway trips. 
Fuel economy was lackluster, it struggled to reach 19mpg.
Worst rusting truck I've ever had...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 1:56:51 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I have liked my Ranger and would buy another.


Rick

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From my initial research, which is barely conclusive, the Ford Ranger appears 
to be a decent choice. I’m not sold on the Toyota or Nissan, they were just my 
starting point.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Oh, I'd forgotten, the Tacoma has a plastic (they call it composite) bed...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 1:50:52 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the 
earlier model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will 
have the aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might 
be higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.

RB

On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
> expensive they are.
> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
> will try to help the boy out.
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Toyotas are made from gold. I'm half tempted to get a Tundra to replace my 
aging Dodge and plan on buying a new one every 5 years when I sell the old one 
for 80% of its purchase price...
When we bought our Dodge I test drove a couple Tacomas, my one piece of advice 
is that if he wants a manual transmission avoid the 6spd which is the worst 
manual transmission I've ever driven. It was like driving a 1950s vintage 5 ton 
truck. Huge shift throws, mushy shifter feeling.
I find the Tacoma very uncomfortable to ride in and hugely overpriced. With a 
Dodge/Ford/Chevy/Nissan full size you get way more truck for nearly the same 
price.
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 1:05:11 PM EST, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
expensive they are.
so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I will 
try to help the boy out.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Go and look at them first. When we were shopping for a pickup, we wanted
low cost, only one row of seats, and space behind the seat. The Dodge and
Chevys had NO space behind the seat, the Ford has lots. I carry tie downs
ratchet straps, tools, oil, etc. back there.
Make a list of priorities, then go shopping to see what meets the most of
them.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:08 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 2021-01-08 13:55, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t
> > care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive
> > trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have
> > decent small trucks?
>
> Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
> Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Cheaper, easier to work on, more reliable.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why? What makes the Chevy better than the Ford, for example?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Colorado/canyon 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t 
>>> care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive 
>>> trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have 
>>> decent small trucks?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
 about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the 
 earlier model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will 
 have the aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
 I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
 higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
 
 RB
 
> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law 
> has decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is 
> ridiculous how expensive they are.
> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose 
> I will try to help the boy out.
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Stripped down Mercedes Metris?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 11:08 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> On 2021-01-08 13:55, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t
> > care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive
> > trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have
> > decent small trucks?
>
> Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
> Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. "Thinks he wants" sounds like a
great candidate for a Ford LTD or Toyota corolla with 5 speed. Why would
anyone getting married buy a truck unless they can write it off for
business purposes? Inefficient, impractical, expensive. Maybe one of those
little utility Vans if he needs a work truck. I say this having driven
pickups for about the first 15 years of my licensure.

I think I want a Gulfstream 5. Can anyone help?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:44 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bob says:
>
> >Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
>
> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small
> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and
> shop. Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There
> are occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative
> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan
> Frontier. Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure
> points of each particular make and model and what your tolerance for
> repairs is.
>
> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short
> beds, and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general
> public. A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so
> will be priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when
> the time comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded
> car trailer.
>
> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you,
> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction
> though.
>
> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a
> used truck he is looking at.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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On 2021-01-08 13:55, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t
care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive
trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have
decent small trucks?


Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why? What makes the Chevy better than the Ford, for example?

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Colorado/canyon 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t care 
>> about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive trailer. 
>> I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have decent small 
>> trucks?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
>>> about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the earlier 
>>> model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will have the 
>>> aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
>>> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
>>> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
 On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law 
 has decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is 
 ridiculous how expensive they are.
 so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
 will try to help the boy out.
 
 Bob R
 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Colorado/canyon 

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t care 
> about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive trailer. I’m 
> wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have decent small trucks?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
>> about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the earlier 
>> model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will have the 
>> aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
>> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
>> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>>> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
>>> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous 
>>> how expensive they are.
>>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>>> will try to help the boy out.
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I have liked my Ranger and would buy another.


Rick

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From my initial research, which is barely conclusive, the Ford Ranger appears 
to be a decent choice. I’m not sold on the Toyota or Nissan, they were just my 
starting point.

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t care 
about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive trailer. I’m 
wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have decent small trucks?

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at about 
> 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the earlier model 
> which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will have the aluminum 
> body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
>> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous 
>> how expensive they are.
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>> will try to help the boy out.
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

From my initial research, which is barely conclusive, the Ford Ranger appears 
to be a decent choice. I’m not sold on the Toyota or Nissan, they were just my 
starting point.

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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> 
> Seriously people? Why would you buy nasty Toyotas? The Toyota pick up truck 
> is the preferred vehicle of terrorists in the Middle East and Gypsies in 
> Western Europe. Such disgusting associations.
> 
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>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob says:
>> 
>>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
>> 
>> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small 
>> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and 
>> shop. Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There 
>> are occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative 
>> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan 
>> Frontier. Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure 
>> points of each particular make and model and what your tolerance for repairs 
>> is.
>> 
>> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short 
>> beds, and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general 
>> public. A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so 
>> will be priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when 
>> the time comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded 
>> car trailer.
>> 
>> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you, 
>> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction 
>> though.
>> 
>> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a 
>> used truck he is looking at.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the 
earlier model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will 
have the aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might 
be higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.


RB

On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
expensive they are.
so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I will 
try to help the boy out.

Bob R




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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Seriously people? Why would you buy nasty Toyotas? The Toyota pick up truck is 
the preferred vehicle of terrorists in the Middle East and Gypsies in Western 
Europe. Such disgusting associations.

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Bob says:
> 
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
> 
> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small 
> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and shop. 
> Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There are 
> occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative 
> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan Frontier. 
> Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure points of 
> each particular make and model and what your tolerance for repairs is.
> 
> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short beds, 
> and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general public. 
> A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so will be 
> priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when the time 
> comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded car trailer.
> 
> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you, 
> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction 
> though.
> 
> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a 
> used truck he is looking at.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Bob says:

>Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive

They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small trucks 
are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and shop. Expand 
your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There are occasional 
deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative makes, such as 
Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan Frontier. Do the due 
diligence required to understand the potential failure points of each 
particular make and model and what your tolerance for repairs is.

Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short beds, 
and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general public. A 
"work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so will be priced 
less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when the time comes, for 
the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded car trailer.

That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you, would 
be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction though.

Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a used 
truck he is looking at.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why?

I will say that the Nissan Frontier is just as pricey. For grins I looked at 
Ford Rangers and saw a few that were pretty decent for reasonable money.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Buy a Chevy. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
>> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous 
>> how expensive they are.
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>> will try to help the boy out.
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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Yes

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-08 13:04, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma?
> 
> The cheaper more fuel efficient ones say COLORADO on the tailgate.
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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Buy a Chevy. 

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
> expensive they are.
> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
> will try to help the boy out.
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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On 2021-01-08 13:04, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:


so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma?


The cheaper more fuel efficient ones say COLORADO on the tailgate.

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You must be psychic.

I started looking at them just the other day as a retirement vehicle. And yes, 
they’re stupid expensive.

If you’re shopping on price, you’ll want to go for the basic four cylinder, 
standard cab 2WD model, of which I found very few. Even ones from the early 
2000s are bringing big bucks with reasonable mileage. Add the larger cab and 
4WD and he price goes up exponentially.

I had forgotten about the Nissan equivalent, which would be just as good for 
me, so I’m going to start researching those as well.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
> expensive they are.
> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
> will try to help the boy out.
> 
> Bob R
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[MBZ] Good luck finding a working instrument panel

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for your 30 year old car in 2050...

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[MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
expensive they are.
so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I will 
try to help the boy out.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes Benz 300SDL w126 / $9, 500 FIRM - $9, 500 (Statesboro)

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Crack

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 7:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Pretty blue, looks to be in excellent condition
> 
> https://statesboro.craigslist.org/cto/d/portal-1987-mercedes-benz-300sdl-firm/7258365581.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes Benz 300SDL w126 / $9, 500 FIRM - $9, 500 (Statesboro)

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Very nice.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 8:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Pretty blue, looks to be in excellent condition
> 
> https://statesboro.craigslist.org/cto/d/portal-1987-mercedes-benz-300sdl-firm/7258365581.html
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[MBZ] 1987 Mercedes Benz 300SDL w126 / $9, 500 FIRM - $9, 500 (Statesboro)

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Pretty blue, looks to be in excellent condition

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