date:20211012

To answer your question, sort of.
I just took in a 1988  chevy/GMC suburban that is the first year GM used
electronic throttle body injectors. Prior to 1988 carburetors. The TBI
injectors are triggered by a timing trigger that is part of the
distributor, and an arcane almost computer controls duration of fuel
injection, timing advance, and not much else. I intend to flip it after
cleaning up a few items that need attention. AZ rust free, 454 cubic inch
engine... it will pass anything on the road except a gas station.. 9 pax,
3/4 ton chassis.
I also own 5 [who can own too many?] Ford diesel trucks, 1985, 1986,1992
F450, 1992 F350, which has strictly mechanical injection pumps, mechanical
injectors, then a 1995 [second year Ford used computer controlled injectors]
Then, the Mercedes fleet. All are pre 1985 and Diesel. Mechanical injection
pump, mechanical injectors. No computer anything... 79, 80, 80, 81, 82, 82
My personal view on computer controls for vehicles is that they are fragile
and vulnerable, also, very quickly, replacement computer components are
simply not available, which makes your vehicle a 4,000 lb boat anchor. The
vehicles from various manufacturers, starting around 1988, began to add
more computer controls and electronics, which require more expensive
diagnostic equipment and knowledge of that specific car's systems.
If you elect to buy an older mechanical controlled vehicle, search for the
best one you can find and afford, as your starting point.. my best
suggestion. Then, stock a supply of replacement parts, to keep it running
properly.. [soon, that parts supply will likely run dry, as all new cars
become more electronics dependent..]
[See Kaleb's example of stocking parts cars.. ;)) ]

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> Lack of any computer controls is why my BIL chooses to drive a 1983 F150,
> his $1000 $hitbox. It’s not much to talk about, but it runs, drives and
> stops, and it isn’t totally rusted out…yet.
> Kevin in Lexington, NC, still benzless
>
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> > I am thinking the w201 may have been one of the earliest MB to acquire
> computers.  Probably wrong, though relays could be thought of as computer
> gates.  Transistors are computers of a sort, need to go back that far?
> >
> >
> > ---
> > clay
> >
> > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what
> I'm looking for didn't fall out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> I am starting to think I would like to find another less complicated
> vehicle. The newer ones seem to have computers controlling all sort of
> things.
> >>
> >> How far back would I need to go to where about the only computer
> control would be for the fuel injection?
> >>
> >> I am thinking, maybe, a Chevy Suburban.
> >>
> >> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Don’t be turned off by the miles - 2005 E500 4Matic wagon - $7,900


143k is not high miles.
I'm not sure if 8k is high price these days.
You hear of people paying $5k for 2005 Accords.

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[MBZ] Don’t be turned off by the miles - 2005 E500 4Matic wagon - $7,900

Can I be turned off by the price?

Grey/grey but at least the exterior color is darker.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-rare-mercedes-e500-wagon/7393126435.html

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Re: [MBZ] 1986 560SL- 73k miles - $20,000

Ahh, the "Carmel" of Terre Haute - if there could be such a thing.

Fun fact: In the late 1980s Harley-Davidson was considering selling branded 
cigarettes. Terre Haute was a test market.

-D

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Subject: [MBZ] 1986 560SL- 73k miles - $20,000

Does look nice but more than I'd spend on a car.

https://terrehaute.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-mary-of-the-woods-1986-mercedes/7393030574.html

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[MBZ] 1986 560SL- 73k miles - $20,000

Does look nice but more than I'd spend on a car.

https://terrehaute.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-mary-of-the-woods-1986-mercedes/7393030574.html

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[MBZ] CAUTION: 2011 Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class · GLK 350 4MATIC Sport Utility 4D $15000

2021-10-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Eye bleach required 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: holy crap, I did it!

2021-10-12 Thread Russ Williams via Mercedes


Curt
I found you a PS2 mouse. Do you still want it.

Russ

On 10/7/2021 19:40, Russ Williams via Mercedes wrote:

Curt I have 2 or 3 PS2 mice at the computer club office. I'll
let you know tomorrow. Cost will be FREE you pay shipping.

Russ

On 10/7/2021 15:17, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
  I can find a keyboard but can't find a mouse. Apparently the serial 
port on the Atari won't make enough power to run a USB mouse, I doubt 
it'll power an optical mouse. They make a serial to USB adapter to 
use a wireless mouse, apparently the wireless transceiver doesn't 
take much power.
Best Electronics still makes (!) a mouse to fit the Atari. I doubt 
they actually make it but they stock new ones anyway.

-Curt

 On Thursday, October 7, 2021, 04:12:57 PM EDT, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes  wrote:
    No luck. I have the PS2 keyboard (beige Dell QuietKey, fairly 
nice); the mouse is gone. Would have been one of those roller-ball 
type mice anwyay, not likely to work well at this point.


Allan

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
I might have a PS2 mouse and keyboard around in the back of a 
closet. I'll take a look.


Allan

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
You might remember the Atari ST I got the other day: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3hHjDJi6aYWHE1Xs9
These use a really weird DIN 13 connector and have 3 kind of weird 
video modes. Not knowing for sure if the computer would work I 
didn't want to spend $30 for a "real" video converter when I could 
spend $5 for a pair of DIN 13 connectors and burn myself soldering 
them on to a VGA cable. 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rx4FWRvE6t5r5YTR6Careful, don't get too 
close, the jankiness rubs off.
That's actually only the first one, it's a color cable (it carries 
color information) and it *probably* works but I don't seem to have 
a monitor capable of a 15khz sync rate.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/eUhuBNjqq8DtCp3L8 this one is B&W, I know 
it's hard to believe I could make an even more janky cable, it's a 
gift. It was hard combining all 3 grounds from the VGA side and 
running them into 2 pins and then combining R,G and B and running 
those to one pin. The sync signals were easy by comparison.
Anyway, this one actually works for sure: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/nS1keY78ij5n5gxBA
Disappointingly I can't find a PS2 mouse anywhere in my house. I 
bought a PS2 to Atari mouse adapter as I was sure I had a mouse 
here somewhere. Fortunately I'm sure there are some at the office, 
I'll snag one the next time I'm there...
So now that I'm sure the thing works I went online and ordered a 
"proper" adapter that does both color and mono. Now I need either a 
scan converter or a monitor than can handle 15khz...

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Does somebody need this?

ROFL.

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> Bring that airplane home, and Regina will find a use for that autopsy
> table...  ;-)
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Re: [MBZ] Does somebody need this?

2021-10-12 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

Bring that airplane home, and Regina will find a use for that autopsy
table...  ;-)

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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Dental implant

2021-10-12 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

I love my implants. solved a lot of problems with perio disease on my lower
right quadrant.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:35 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> So my dentist sent me to a periodontist to have a "pocket" around my top
> back molar evaluated. Its the tooth right next to my wisdom tooth. It's not
> bothering me but the dentist says it will become a problem.
>
> Periodontist wants to extract that tooth and the wisdom tooth, do a bone
> graft and an implant (basically a titanium post) then my regular dentist
> will put a crown on the implant.
>
> This will all run at least $3k with insurance covering some unknown amount
> but I'm likely out of pocket at least $2k.
>
> I have HSA savings to cover it but this just seems like a lot of money for
> one tooth that's not even visible. Wondering how much I would miss having
> that tooth if my dentist just did the extractions and left it at that.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Dental implant

A full set of dentures probably cost less.

-D

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> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:29 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> My father paid off his dentist sailboat with implants.  The things were only 
> effective for about a decade and had to be replaced.  Last set were good for 
> the rest of his life.  That was maybe nine more years.   Pretty sure the bugs 
> have been worked out in the last dozen years.
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2021, at 3:49 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not crazy about the idea of a screw in my jaw either. Seems like something 
>> that would be prone to infection. People with artifical joints need to take 
>> antibiotics before any dental work; in that case it may be a worthwhile 
>> tradeoff to have a working knee or hip but not sure its worth it for a tooth.
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Dental implant

2021-10-12 Thread Clay via Mercedes

My father paid off his dentist sailboat with implants.  The things were only 
effective for about a decade and had to be replaced.  Last set were good for 
the rest of his life.  That was maybe nine more years.   Pretty sure the bugs 
have been worked out in the last dozen years.

Clay

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> On Oct 12, 2021, at 3:49 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not crazy about the idea of a screw in my jaw either. Seems like something 
> that would be prone to infection. People with artifical joints need to take 
> antibiotics before any dental work; in that case it may be a worthwhile 
> tradeoff to have a working knee or hip but not sure its worth it for a tooth.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] dashboard warning light colors

Plus they treat their workers like sh*t.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 8:14 PM Allan Streib  wrote:

> It's convenient. One stop shopping for almost anything. I used to buy a
> lot of stuff on Amazon.
>
> The problems with counterfeits and fake reviews that AFAIK they have
> refused to address, and then their political activity drove me away.
>
> Allan
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 8:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> It never ceases to amaze me at all the people who support Amazon when
> there are equally priced alternatives.
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 7:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> This is a good idea. The markers were working somewhat but you could see
> the lines from the marker tip and the overall effect was "streaky."
>
> Ordered. I don't like supporting Amazon so I ordered from
>
>
> https://www.stagelightingstore.com/swatch-books/55809-rosco-roscolux-swatchbook
>
> Allan
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, at 2:43 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > This will provide a life-time supply of small gels. I use them for all
> > sorts of things, some were even photo related!
> > https://www.amazon.com/Rosco-Lux-Small-Swatchbook/dp/B0002ER2YG
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:39 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Allan,
> > >
> > > Are these for the Ghia or a Mercedes? I ask because a lot of the gels
> are
> > > still available for the MBs, believe it or not.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > > On Oct 11, 2021, at 11:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
> > > >>> I need to rejuvenate some faded "gels" on dashboard warning lights.
> > > Would colored sharpie be good for this? Nail polish of the desired
> color?
> > > Something else?
> > > >>
> > > >> Actual gels?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, not sure where to get them though. Having decent luck with some
> > > alcohol-based artist's markers that my son has. Just don't know how
> long
> > > the color will last.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] dashboard warning light colors

It's convenient. One stop shopping for almost anything. I used to buy a lot of 
stuff on Amazon.

The problems with counterfeits and fake reviews that AFAIK they have refused to 
address, and then their political activity drove me away.

Allan

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 8:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> It never ceases to amaze me at all the people who support Amazon when there 
> are equally priced alternatives.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 7:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> This is a good idea. The markers were working somewhat but you could see the 
>> lines from the marker tip and the overall effect was "streaky."
>> 
>> Ordered. I don't like supporting Amazon so I ordered from
>> 
>> https://www.stagelightingstore.com/swatch-books/55809-rosco-roscolux-swatchbook
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, at 2:43 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> > This will provide a life-time supply of small gels. I use them for all
>> > sorts of things, some were even photo related!
>> > https://www.amazon.com/Rosco-Lux-Small-Swatchbook/dp/B0002ER2YG
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:39 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Allan,
>> > >
>> > > Are these for the Ghia or a Mercedes? I ask because a lot of the gels are
>> > > still available for the MBs, believe it or not.
>> > >
>> > > -D
>> > >
>> > > > On Oct 11, 2021, at 11:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>> > > >>> I need to rejuvenate some faded "gels" on dashboard warning lights.
>> > > Would colored sharpie be good for this? Nail polish of the desired color?
>> > > Something else?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Actual gels?
>> > > >
>> > > > Yes, not sure where to get them though. Having decent luck with some
>> > > alcohol-based artist's markers that my son has. Just don't know how long
>> > > the color will last.
>> > > >
>> > > > Allan
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>> > 
>> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> > 
>> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> > Wernher
>> > Von Braun
>> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Dental implant

How much of that was the implants and how much were the crowns?

Two extractions and one implant estimate was $3,400 before insurance.

I don't yet know what the crown will cost as that's back to my regular dentist 
to do. I see him again on Thursday.

Allan


On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I had two bone grafts + implants in the same area and paid $10K - mostly not 
> covered by insurance.  Took a year to complete but I am very satisfied with 
> the results.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 7:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Not crazy about the idea of a screw in my jaw either. Seems like something 
>> that would be prone to infection. People with artifical joints need to take 
>> antibiotics before any dental work; in that case it may be a worthwhile 
>> tradeoff to have a working knee or hip but not sure its worth it for a tooth.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> > I need an incisor implant. Was told 6K. Waiting till I can get to Greece 
>> > to have it done for $500.
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> > > On Oct 12, 2021, at 7:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > So my dentist sent me to a periodontist to have a "pocket" around my 
>> > > top back molar evaluated. Its the tooth right next to my wisdom tooth. 
>> > > It's not bothering me but the dentist says it will become a problem.
>> > > 
>> > > Periodontist wants to extract that tooth and the wisdom tooth, do a bone 
>> > > graft and an implant (basically a titanium post) then my regular dentist 
>> > > will put a crown on the implant.
>> > > 
>> > > This will all run at least $3k with insurance covering some unknown 
>> > > amount but I'm likely out of pocket at least $2k.
>> > > 
>> > > I have HSA savings to cover it but this just seems like a lot of money 
>> > > for one tooth that's not even visible. Wondering how much I would miss 
>> > > having that tooth if my dentist just did the extractions and left it at 
>> > > that.
>> > > 
>> > > Allan
>> > > 
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Re: [MBZ] dashboard warning light colors

It never ceases to amaze me at all the people who support Amazon when there
are equally priced alternatives.

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> This is a good idea. The markers were working somewhat but you could see
> the lines from the marker tip and the overall effect was "streaky."
>
> Ordered. I don't like supporting Amazon so I ordered from
>
>
> https://www.stagelightingstore.com/swatch-books/55809-rosco-roscolux-swatchbook
>
> Allan
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, at 2:43 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > This will provide a life-time supply of small gels. I use them for all
> > sorts of things, some were even photo related!
> > https://www.amazon.com/Rosco-Lux-Small-Swatchbook/dp/B0002ER2YG
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:39 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Allan,
> > >
> > > Are these for the Ghia or a Mercedes? I ask because a lot of the gels
> are
> > > still available for the MBs, believe it or not.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > > On Oct 11, 2021, at 11:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
> > > >>> I need to rejuvenate some faded "gels" on dashboard warning lights.
> > > Would colored sharpie be good for this? Nail polish of the desired
> color?
> > > Something else?
> > > >>
> > > >> Actual gels?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, not sure where to get them though. Having decent luck with some
> > > alcohol-based artist's markers that my son has. Just don't know how
> long
> > > the color will last.
> > > >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Dental implant

I had two bone grafts + implants in the same area and paid $10K - mostly
not covered by insurance.  Took a year to complete but I am very satisfied
with the results.

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> Not crazy about the idea of a screw in my jaw either. Seems like something
> that would be prone to infection. People with artifical joints need to take
> antibiotics before any dental work; in that case it may be a worthwhile
> tradeoff to have a working knee or hip but not sure its worth it for a
> tooth.
>
> Allan
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> > I need an incisor implant. Was told 6K. Waiting till I can get to Greece
> to have it done for $500.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 12, 2021, at 7:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > So my dentist sent me to a periodontist to have a "pocket" around my
> top back molar evaluated. Its the tooth right next to my wisdom tooth. It's
> not bothering me but the dentist says it will become a problem.
> > >
> > > Periodontist wants to extract that tooth and the wisdom tooth, do a
> bone graft and an implant (basically a titanium post) then my regular
> dentist will put a crown on the implant.
> > >
> > > This will all run at least $3k with insurance covering some unknown
> amount but I'm likely out of pocket at least $2k.
> > >
> > > I have HSA savings to cover it but this just seems like a lot of money
> for one tooth that's not even visible. Wondering how much I would miss
> having that tooth if my dentist just did the extractions and left it at
> that.
> > >
> > > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Does somebody need this?

Read "The Devil in the White City:  Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair
That Changed America" to learn about how a serial killer profited from the
shortage of cadavers in 1890s Chicago.

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> Looks like it would be almost perfect for transmission work, parts
> cleaning, or anything else where a lot of fluids might drain out.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 6:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3221138851506014/
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Dental implant

Not crazy about the idea of a screw in my jaw either. Seems like something that 
would be prone to infection. People with artifical joints need to take 
antibiotics before any dental work; in that case it may be a worthwhile 
tradeoff to have a working knee or hip but not sure its worth it for a tooth.

Allan

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> I need an incisor implant. Was told 6K. Waiting till I can get to Greece to 
> have it done for $500.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 7:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > So my dentist sent me to a periodontist to have a "pocket" around my top 
> > back molar evaluated. Its the tooth right next to my wisdom tooth. It's not 
> > bothering me but the dentist says it will become a problem.
> > 
> > Periodontist wants to extract that tooth and the wisdom tooth, do a bone 
> > graft and an implant (basically a titanium post) then my regular dentist 
> > will put a crown on the implant.
> > 
> > This will all run at least $3k with insurance covering some unknown amount 
> > but I'm likely out of pocket at least $2k.
> > 
> > I have HSA savings to cover it but this just seems like a lot of money for 
> > one tooth that's not even visible. Wondering how much I would miss having 
> > that tooth if my dentist just did the extractions and left it at that.
> > 
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Dental implant

2021-10-12 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

I need an incisor implant. Was told 6K. Waiting till I can get to Greece to 
have it done for $500.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 7:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So my dentist sent me to a periodontist to have a "pocket" around my top 
> back molar evaluated. Its the tooth right next to my wisdom tooth. It's not 
> bothering me but the dentist says it will become a problem.
> 
> Periodontist wants to extract that tooth and the wisdom tooth, do a bone 
> graft and an implant (basically a titanium post) then my regular dentist will 
> put a crown on the implant.
> 
> This will all run at least $3k with insurance covering some unknown amount 
> but I'm likely out of pocket at least $2k.
> 
> I have HSA savings to cover it but this just seems like a lot of money for 
> one tooth that's not even visible. Wondering how much I would miss having 
> that tooth if my dentist just did the extractions and left it at that.
> 
> Allan
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[MBZ] Way OT: Dental implant

So my dentist sent me to a periodontist to have a "pocket" around my top back 
molar evaluated. Its the tooth right next to my wisdom tooth. It's not 
bothering me but the dentist says it will become a problem.

Periodontist wants to extract that tooth and the wisdom tooth, do a bone graft 
and an implant (basically a titanium post) then my regular dentist will put a 
crown on the implant.

This will all run at least $3k with insurance covering some unknown amount but 
I'm likely out of pocket at least $2k.

I have HSA savings to cover it but this just seems like a lot of money for one 
tooth that's not even visible. Wondering how much I would miss having that 
tooth if my dentist just did the extractions and left it at that.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] dashboard warning light colors

This is a good idea. The markers were working somewhat but you could see the 
lines from the marker tip and the overall effect was "streaky."

Ordered. I don't like supporting Amazon so I ordered from

https://www.stagelightingstore.com/swatch-books/55809-rosco-roscolux-swatchbook

Allan

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, at 2:43 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> This will provide a life-time supply of small gels. I use them for all
> sorts of things, some were even photo related!
> https://www.amazon.com/Rosco-Lux-Small-Swatchbook/dp/B0002ER2YG
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:39 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Allan,
> >
> > Are these for the Ghia or a Mercedes? I ask because a lot of the gels are
> > still available for the MBs, believe it or not.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Oct 11, 2021, at 11:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
> > >>> I need to rejuvenate some faded "gels" on dashboard warning lights.
> > Would colored sharpie be good for this? Nail polish of the desired color?
> > Something else?
> > >>
> > >> Actual gels?
> > >
> > > Yes, not sure where to get them though. Having decent luck with some
> > alcohol-based artist's markers that my son has. Just don't know how long
> > the color will last.
> > >
> > > Allan
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.9 trans conductor plate/controller

You get all that for only only $850??  Buy two before the price goes up.

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> Well I got the valve body and CP/TCM dropped out of the $900 04E500 and
> ready to send off for a replacement. $850. Ouch but will turn a $900 car
> into a $4k car I guess.
>
> The job isn’t too bad, the worst aspect is getting the connector bit to
> drop out as the 2 o-rings are really tight. A bit of prying sorted that
> out.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT about when did vehicles become controlled by computers?

2021-10-12 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

Lack of any computer controls is why my BIL chooses to drive a 1983 F150, his 
$1000 $hitbox. It’s not much to talk about, but it runs, drives and stops, and 
it isn’t totally rusted out…yet.
Kevin in Lexington, NC, still benzless 

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> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I am thinking the w201 may have been one of the earliest MB to acquire 
> computers.  Probably wrong, though relays could be thought of as computer 
> gates.  Transistors are computers of a sort, need to go back that far?
> 
> 
> ---
> clay
> 
> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
> looking for didn't fall out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am starting to think I would like to find another less complicated 
>> vehicle. The newer ones seem to have computers controlling all sort of 
>> things.
>> 
>> How far back would I need to go to where about the only computer control 
>> would be for the fuel injection?
>> 
>> I am thinking, maybe, a Chevy Suburban.
>> 
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Does somebody need this?

Looks like it would be almost perfect for transmission work, parts cleaning, or 
anything else where a lot of fluids might drain out.


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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3221138851506014/
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Latest news in Drone Delivery

2021-10-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Also, several firefighting flights were cancelled due to sight-seeing
drones in the area despite the no fly designation of the areas.

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> For what it’s worth, your buddies over at the US Forest Service have been
> using drones for several years to check out wild fires and where they’re
> spreading. We watched several drones on FlightAware this past summer when
> they were fire fighting in northern AZ.
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Top News
> > Bird? Plane? Drone Delivery
> > <
> https://email-st.seekingalpha.com/click/25310732.37624/aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWVraW5nYWxwaGEuY29tL25ld3MvMzc1MTQxMC10ZXN0cy1hYm92ZS10ZWwtYXZpdi1pc3JhZWwtbW92ZXMtYWhlYWQtd2l0aC1uYXRpb25hbC1kcm9uZS1uZXR3b3JrP21haWxpbmdpZD0yNTMxMDczMiZzZXJpYWw9MjUzMTA3MzIuMzc2MjQmdXNlcmlkPTUzMjAzNzI1JnNvdXJjZT1lbWFpbF93c2ImbWVzc2FnZWlkPXdhbGxfc3RyZWV0X2JyZWFrZmFzdCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPXNlZWtpbmdfYWxwaGEmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZsY3RnPTYwYWJhY2I3MTlkYzdmMTA1ZDUxMDRjOA/60abacb719dc7f105d5104c8B1ddb62ea
> >
> > Shutterstock
> > Orders of sushi, beer and ice cream flew across the Tel Aviv coast on
> > Monday as part of a government-led initiative to create a national drone
> > network. The project intends to ease road congestion, improve air quality
> > and be an economically viable option for the 9.2M consumers around the
> > country. Flights have also been used for medical purposes, like
> delivering
> > donated blood and plasma, though officials must ensure the skies could be
> > cleared in case of turbulent weather, a war or an emergency.
> >
> > *Phase 3:* The National Drone Initiative has a total of eight planned
> > phases, with the latest stage conducting around 300 flights per day above
> > open areas. The UAVs can currently carry a maximum load of approximately
> > 2.5 kg (5.5 pounds) and have a 5-kilometer (3-mile) radius for missions,
> > though the Israel Innovation Authority said that by next year the
> perimeter
> > will be expanded to 100-kilometers (60 miles). Many of the 16
> participating
> > companies have links to Israel's military, which is a global leader in
> > drone technology.
> >
> > It's garnering "a lot of interest from other countries and regulators, as
> > we are now far ahead," said Sagi Dagan, Vice-President of Growth at the
> > Israel Innovation Authority. "Israel has a competitive advantage in terms
> > of the technologies, the drones and the air traffic management, all being
> > co-designed through regulation and the market, and setting the new rules
> > through work in the field. This is very unique."
> >
> > *Over in the U.S.:* Last December, the FAA introduced new drone rules
> > <
> https://email-st.seekingalpha.com/click/25310732.37624/aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWVraW5nYWxwaGEuY29tL25ld3MvMzY0NzYyOS1mYWEtaW50cm9kdWNlcy1uZXctcnVsZXMtdG8tc3BlZWQtZHJvbmUtYWRvcHRpb24_c291cmNlPWNvbnRlbnRfdHlwZTpyZWFjdCU3Q3NlY3Rpb246bWFpbl9jb250ZW50JTdDYnV0dG9uOmJvZHlfbGluayU3Q2ZpcnN0X2xldmVsX3VybDpuZXdzJm1haWxpbmdpZD0yNTMxMDczMiZzZXJpYWw9MjUzMTA3MzIuMzc2MjQmdXNlcmlkPTUzMjAzNzI1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD13YWxsX3N0cmVldF9icmVha2Zhc3QmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1zZWVraW5nX2FscGhhJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmbGN0Zz02MGFiYWNiNzE5ZGM3ZjEwNWQ1MTA0Yzg/60abacb719dc7f105d5104c8B4b651e9b
> >
> > to help open the skies for widespread commercial deliveries, allowing
> > operators to fly small drones over people and at night under certain
> > conditions. The regulations give the agency and law enforcement a handle
> on
> > what's actually flying around, requiring remote identification technology
> > to pinpoint UAVs from the ground. Drones represent the fastest-growing
> > segment in the entire transportation sector, with over 865K drone
> > registrations and 247K FAA-certificated remote pilots.
> >
> > *Some history:* UPS (NYSE:UPS
> > <
> https://email-st.seekingalpha.com/click/25310732.37624/aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWVraW5nYWxwaGEuY29tL3N5bWJvbC9VUFM_bWFpbGluZ2lkPTI1MzEwNzMyJnNlcmlhbD0yNTMxMDczMi4zNzYyNCZ1c2VyaWQ9NTMyMDM3MjUmc291cmNlPWVtYWlsX3dzYiZtZXNzYWdlaWQ9d2FsbF9zdHJlZXRfYnJlYWtmYXN0JnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9c2Vla2luZ19hbHBoYSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJmxjdGc9NjBhYmFjYjcxOWRjN2YxMDVkNTEwNGM4/60abacb719dc7f105d5104c8Bf475dc82
> >)
> > won the government's first full approval to operate a drone delivery
> > airline back in October 2019, while Alphabet's (GOOG
> > <
> https://email-st.seekingalpha.com/click/25310732.37624/aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWVraW5nYWxwaGEuY29tL3N5bWJvbC9HT09HP21haWxpbmdpZD0yNTMxMDczMiZzZXJpYWw9MjUzMTA3MzIuMzc2MjQmdXNlcmlkPTUzMjAzNzI1JnNvdXJjZT1lbWFpbF93c2ImbWVzc2FnZWlkPXdhbGxfc3RyZWV0X2JyZWFrZmFzdCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPXNlZWtpbmdfYWxwaGEmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZsY3RnPTYwYWJhY2I3MTlkYzdmMTA1ZDUxMDRjOA/60abacb719dc7f105d5104c8B99c954d8
> >,
> > GOOGL
> > <
> https://email-st.seekingalpha.com/click/25310732.37624/aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWVraW5nYWxwaGEuY29tL3N5bWJvbC9HT09HTD9tYWlsaW5naWQ9MjUzMTA3MzImc2VyaWFsPTI1MzEwNzMyLjM3NjI0JnVzZXJpZD01MzIwMz

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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb or anyone have a W116 parts car?

Never mind.

I was thinking the clock was about the right size to try to use in my Ghia but 
I think it would be too much effort after I found this:

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speedway-2-1-16-Clock-Black-Face,231738.html

This is pretty close to the look of the factory clock, the face markings aren't 
quite right but if I got ambitious I could probably transplant the face from 
the old clock since it's the same diameter.

Most likely I will just keep the old VDO clock in case any future owner would 
want to repair it and put the car back to original in that regard.

Allan

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> I am looking for a working tachometer/clock assembly.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT about when did vehicles become controlled by computers?

2021-10-12 Thread Clay via Mercedes

I am thinking the w201 may have been one of the earliest MB to acquire 
computers.  Probably wrong, though relays could be thought of as computer 
gates.  Transistors are computers of a sort, need to go back that far?

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I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
looking for didn't fall out.

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am starting to think I would like to find another less complicated vehicle. 
> The newer ones seem to have computers controlling all sort of things.
> 
> How far back would I need to go to where about the only computer control 
> would be for the fuel injection?
> 
> I am thinking, maybe, a Chevy Suburban.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

2021-10-12 Thread Clay via Mercedes

Maybe Karen needs to be put on the do not fly list.  Hysterical passengers are 
a threat to crew safety.

clay

'Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty.  The obedient must be slaves.'

Henry David Thoreau 

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just to put the hard cost of this incident into perspective.
> Two emergency slides were deployed. Cost per slide [general overview, it
> may vary based on exact model of aircraft. This is based on a 737.]
> https://consumerist.com/2016/04/08/unnecessarily-deployed-emergency-slide-could-cost-united-airlines-as-much-as-3/
> Add to that, landing fees, parking fees, and crew transfer costs, passenger
> transfer costs, etc..
> The aircraft now sets with missing components for the Required Equipment
> List [working escape slides] and can only be flown to a repair facility to
> be "repaired" ... which requires a special ferry permit [FAA issued] and a
> "Ferry pilot crew" to be flown in to fly the aircraft to maintenance shop,
> before it can be put back in service.  More costs.
> Ground handling fees... a tug has to tow the aircraft to temp parking
> [parking fees for an airliner are not cheap]...
> Possible emergency response fire,Medical and police costs... [yep... there
> will be some].
> This is just a short list, I'm sure other costs have been overlooked.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:31 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks.  I wonder if the airline will offer to compensate the
>> misunderstood/handcuffed/humiliated passenger with a $300 travel voucher.
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 1:25 PM Jim Cathey 
>> wrote:
>> 
 OK, I get it.  The air hostess ("Karen") misinterpreted what the law
 abiding citizen was doing.  D'oh.
>>> 
>>> Still not right.  The Karen was another _passenger_.  I mostly blame
>>> the airline staff for overreacting based on the unsubstantiated word
>>> of a passenger.  Karen was just another idiot, nothing too special
>>> about that.  I kind of feel sorry for her, her world is just chock full
>>> of 'bombs'.  Perhaps I feel even more sorry for any S.O. that she
>>> might have.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT ball valves

2021-10-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

I have installed valves all over in my house so that I can turn off 
parts of the water system without turning it all off. Most are ball 
valves as I was looking to have full flow. They are not used daily 
obviously but I did periodically open and close them in an effort to 
keep them operative. Unfortunately, I don't seem able to get them to 
totally stop water flow.


For example, the valves that permitted me to shut off the outside 
faucets got to where I could not stop the water. The faucets outside 
dripped constantly. I finally took the ball valves out and put in the 
old style valves so that I could totally shut the outside faucets off. 
The outside valves were gate valves and the ones in the basement were 
ball. Now both inside and outside are the old style ( I think just 
referred to as stop valves).


Rnady


On 12/10/2021 3:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

The main water shutoff valve in my basement is a ball valve (PVC) and it does 
leak if it's in any position other than fully open or fully closed.

Replacing it would mean shutting off the water at the meter, so I have not 
bothered with it. I just bring a towel with me if I ever need to shut off the 
water.

Allan

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

I don't seem able to find decent ball valves anymore. I find that after
a while, if they are opened and closed, they leak slightly. I have gone
back to using the old style valves with the rubber (plastic?) sealing
washer that can be replaced.

Randy




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[MBZ] Kaleb or anyone have a W116 parts car?

I am looking for a working tachometer/clock assembly.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT about when did vehicles become controlled by computers?

W126 or earlier.


On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 3:57 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> I am starting to think I would like to find another less complicated 
> vehicle. The newer ones seem to have computers controlling all sort of 
> things.
> 
> How far back would I need to go to where about the only computer control 
> would be for the fuel injection?
> 
> I am thinking, maybe, a Chevy Suburban.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

The main water shutoff valve in my basement is a ball valve (PVC) and it does 
leak if it's in any position other than fully open or fully closed.

Replacing it would mean shutting off the water at the meter, so I have not 
bothered with it. I just bring a towel with me if I ever need to shut off the 
water.

Allan

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> I don't seem able to find decent ball valves anymore. I find that after 
> a while, if they are opened and closed, they leak slightly. I have gone 
> back to using the old style valves with the rubber (plastic?) sealing 
> washer that can be replaced.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] OT about when did vehicles become controlled by computers?


On 2021-10-12 15:57, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:


How far back would I need to go to where about the only computer
control would be for the fuel injection?



Computers took over engine management in the 1980s and transmission 
control in the 1990s. Late 1990s/early 2000s you started to see cabin 
control modules etc.


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Re: [MBZ] OT about when did vehicles become controlled by computers?

2021-10-12 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Computer engine controls were introduced in 1980 on domestic cars (GM). As far 
as body control computers and such, I would think with the advent of ABS they 
became commonplace. My friend has a 1995 GMC Yukon (OBD1) and the ABS system is 
a pain to bleed.


Rick

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Cc: rbenn...@bennell.ca
Subject: [MBZ] OT about when did vehicles become controlled by computers?

I am starting to think I would like to find another less complicated
vehicle. The newer ones seem to have computers controlling all sort of
things.

How far back would I need to go to where about the only computer control
would be for the fuel injection?

I am thinking, maybe, a Chevy Suburban.

Randy


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[MBZ] OT about when did vehicles become controlled by computers?

2021-10-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

I am starting to think I would like to find another less complicated 
vehicle. The newer ones seem to have computers controlling all sort of 
things.


How far back would I need to go to where about the only computer control 
would be for the fuel injection?


I am thinking, maybe, a Chevy Suburban.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

2021-10-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

I don't seem able to find decent ball valves anymore. I find that after
a while, if they are opened and closed, they leak slightly. I have gone
back to using the old style valves with the rubber (plastic?) sealing
washer that can be replaced.

Randy

On 12/10/2021 2:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Any time I replace a water heater, a set of copper fittings along with a ball
valve replace the cheap plastic drain valve the manufacturer supplied.

It gets flushed annually (or more) and by using a full flow ball valve a lot of
the cruft gets flushed out easily - and quickly!

-D

On Oct 12, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
wrote:

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Also, if someone "tests" the P-T safety valve by manually "burping" it, there
is a chance of suspended solids getting stuck on the valve's sealing surfaces (causing a dripping
leak).

Yep, BTDT. I only suggested it as it's already leaking, so not really anything
to lose.

Same goes for the drain valve at the bottom of the tank. I've seen advice to
open that every month or so to flush out any sediment but often you won't be
able to fully close it again. They are typically very cheap plastic valves, so
if you plan to do that, best to replace the valve with a good one before you
fill the water heater.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

Any time I replace a water heater, a set of copper fittings along with a ball 
valve replace the cheap plastic drain valve the manufacturer supplied.

It gets flushed annually (or more) and by using a full flow ball valve a lot of 
the cruft gets flushed out easily - and quickly!

-D


> On Oct 12, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Also, if someone "tests" the P-T safety valve by manually "burping" it, 
>> there is a chance of suspended solids getting stuck on the valve's sealing 
>> surfaces (causing a dripping leak).
> 
> Yep, BTDT. I only suggested it as it's already leaking, so not really 
> anything to lose.
> 
> Same goes for the drain valve at the bottom of the tank. I've seen advice to 
> open that every month or so to flush out any sediment but often you won't be 
> able to fully close it again. They are typically very cheap plastic valves, 
> so if you plan to do that, best to replace the valve with a good one before 
> you fill the water heater.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

Well if nothing else, I learned there's a magazine called *Bitch...*


On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 12:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> All about the word "karen" in slang use today... in the interest of
> expanding ourselves and accepting others.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)
> 
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 9:19 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Why "Karen"?  This was a male passenger making the bomb threat.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 11:24 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > How about billing the karen who actually caused this "incident" for
> > costs
> > >
> > > There are ALWAYS idiots.  The real problem is the supposedly-trained
> > staff
> > > allowing things to get this far.  Just following the playbook?  Anybody
> > > remember
> > > the movie "Die Hard"?
> > >
> > > -- Jim
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

Airline will point at TSA. TSA will point at Airline or Crew. Camera owner will 
never be compensated for the assault and battery on his person or any damage to 
the camera.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 1:39 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Considering he was handling a vintage camera, any damages to the camera could 
> end up in the thousands. Leica, Hasselblad, Zeiss come to mind.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> To: jim.cathey...@gmail.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras
> 
> Thanks.  I wonder if the airline will offer to compensate the
> misunderstood/handcuffed/humiliated passenger with a $300 travel voucher.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 1:25 PM Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> > > OK, I get it.  The air hostess ("Karen") misinterpreted what the law
> > > abiding citizen was doing.  D'oh.
> >
> > Still not right.  The Karen was another _passenger_.  I mostly blame
> > the airline staff for overreacting based on the unsubstantiated word
> > of a passenger.  Karen was just another idiot, nothing too special
> > about that.  I kind of feel sorry for her, her world is just chock full
> > of 'bombs'.  Perhaps I feel even more sorry for any S.O. that she
> > might have.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> Also, if someone "tests" the P-T safety valve by manually "burping" it, there 
> is a chance of suspended solids getting stuck on the valve's sealing surfaces 
> (causing a dripping leak).

Yep, BTDT. I only suggested it as it's already leaking, so not really anything 
to lose.

Same goes for the drain valve at the bottom of the tank. I've seen advice to 
open that every month or so to flush out any sediment but often you won't be 
able to fully close it again. They are typically very cheap plastic valves, so 
if you plan to do that, best to replace the valve with a good one before you 
fill the water heater.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Latest news in Drone Delivery

For what it’s worth, your buddies over at the US Forest Service have been using 
drones for several years to check out wild fires and where they’re spreading. 
We watched several drones on FlightAware this past summer when they were fire 
fighting in northern AZ.

-D

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> On Oct 12, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Top News
> Bird? Plane? Drone Delivery
> 
> Shutterstock
> Orders of sushi, beer and ice cream flew across the Tel Aviv coast on
> Monday as part of a government-led initiative to create a national drone
> network. The project intends to ease road congestion, improve air quality
> and be an economically viable option for the 9.2M consumers around the
> country. Flights have also been used for medical purposes, like delivering
> donated blood and plasma, though officials must ensure the skies could be
> cleared in case of turbulent weather, a war or an emergency.
> 
> *Phase 3:* The National Drone Initiative has a total of eight planned
> phases, with the latest stage conducting around 300 flights per day above
> open areas. The UAVs can currently carry a maximum load of approximately
> 2.5 kg (5.5 pounds) and have a 5-kilometer (3-mile) radius for missions,
> though the Israel Innovation Authority said that by next year the perimeter
> will be expanded to 100-kilometers (60 miles). Many of the 16 participating
> companies have links to Israel's military, which is a global leader in
> drone technology.
> 
> It's garnering "a lot of interest from other countries and regulators, as
> we are now far ahead," said Sagi Dagan, Vice-President of Growth at the
> Israel Innovation Authority. "Israel has a competitive advantage in terms
> of the technologies, the drones and the air traffic management, all being
> co-designed through regulation and the market, and setting the new rules
> through work in the field. This is very unique."
> 
> *Over in the U.S.:* Last December, the FAA introduced new drone rules
> 
> to help open the skies for widespread commercial deliveries, allowing
> operators to fly small drones over people and at night under certain
> conditions. The regulations give the agency and law enforcement a handle on
> what's actually flying around, requiring remote identification technology
> to pinpoint UAVs from the ground. Drones represent the fastest-growing
> segment in the entire transportation sector, with over 865K drone
> registrations and 247K FAA-certificated remote pilots.
> 
> *Some history:* UPS (NYSE:UPS
> )
> won the government's first full approval to operate a drone delivery
> airline back in October 2019, while Alphabet's (GOOG
> ,
> GOOGL
> )
> Wing became the first company to get certification for a single-pilot drone
> operation. In August 2020, the FAA granted Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN
>

Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

Thereby propping up the market for our old jalopies.

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> To have shame for your acts, you must have a conscience. In my personal
> experience with "karens" self satisfaction with acts done supercede
> conscience... thus "shame" is not on their function list.
> Somewhere, there is a PhD thesis on the evolution of psyche to become a
> "karen" and how that transmutes to a personality disorder...  which
> requires years of treatment at $500 per hour to adjust, by the newly minted
> PhD who wrote the thesis on the disorder...
> Who can then afford a fleet of antique Mercedes.
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 11:04 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> > I wonder if the airline will offer to compensate the
>> misunderstood/handcuffed/humiliated passenger with a $300 travel voucher.
>>
>> Probably just put him on the no-fly list, no extra charge.
>> Does he now forever have to answer the "Have you ever
>> been arrested?" question with "Yes?"
>>
>> Karen should be as publicly shamed as the innocent was humiliated.
>> And fined for being stupid, just on general principles, in the hope that
>> the experience will cause her to THINK in future.  There is plenty of
>> blame to go around, here.
>>
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

To have shame for your acts, you must have a conscience. In my personal
experience with "karens" self satisfaction with acts done supercede
conscience... thus "shame" is not on their function list.
Somewhere, there is a PhD thesis on the evolution of psyche to become a
"karen" and how that transmutes to a personality disorder...  which
requires years of treatment at $500 per hour to adjust, by the newly minted
PhD who wrote the thesis on the disorder...
Who can then afford a fleet of antique Mercedes.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 11:04 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > I wonder if the airline will offer to compensate the
> misunderstood/handcuffed/humiliated passenger with a $300 travel voucher.
>
> Probably just put him on the no-fly list, no extra charge.
> Does he now forever have to answer the "Have you ever
> been arrested?" question with "Yes?"
>
> Karen should be as publicly shamed as the innocent was humiliated.
> And fined for being stupid, just on general principles, in the hope that
> the experience will cause her to THINK in future.  There is plenty of
> blame to go around, here.
>
> -- Jim
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[MBZ] OT: Latest news in Drone Delivery

 Top News
Bird? Plane? Drone Delivery

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Orders of sushi, beer and ice cream flew across the Tel Aviv coast on
Monday as part of a government-led initiative to create a national drone
network. The project intends to ease road congestion, improve air quality
and be an economically viable option for the 9.2M consumers around the
country. Flights have also been used for medical purposes, like delivering
donated blood and plasma, though officials must ensure the skies could be
cleared in case of turbulent weather, a war or an emergency.

*Phase 3:* The National Drone Initiative has a total of eight planned
phases, with the latest stage conducting around 300 flights per day above
open areas. The UAVs can currently carry a maximum load of approximately
2.5 kg (5.5 pounds) and have a 5-kilometer (3-mile) radius for missions,
though the Israel Innovation Authority said that by next year the perimeter
will be expanded to 100-kilometers (60 miles). Many of the 16 participating
companies have links to Israel's military, which is a global leader in
drone technology.

It's garnering "a lot of interest from other countries and regulators, as
we are now far ahead," said Sagi Dagan, Vice-President of Growth at the
Israel Innovation Authority. "Israel has a competitive advantage in terms
of the technologies, the drones and the air traffic management, all being
co-designed through regulation and the market, and setting the new rules
through work in the field. This is very unique."

*Over in the U.S.:* Last December, the FAA introduced new drone rules

to help open the skies for widespread commercial deliveries, allowing
operators to fly small drones over people and at night under certain
conditions. The regulations give the agency and law enforcement a handle on
what's actually flying around, requiring remote identification technology
to pinpoint UAVs from the ground. Drones represent the fastest-growing
segment in the entire transportation sector, with over 865K drone
registrations and 247K FAA-certificated remote pilots.

*Some history:* UPS (NYSE:UPS
)
won the government's first full approval to operate a drone delivery
airline back in October 2019, while Alphabet's (GOOG
,
GOOGL
)
Wing became the first company to get certification for a single-pilot drone
operation. In August 2020, the FAA granted Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN
)
permission for delivery trials, while Walmart (NYSE:WMT

Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

> I wonder if the airline will offer to compensate the 
> misunderstood/handcuffed/humiliated passenger with a $300 travel voucher.

Probably just put him on the no-fly list, no extra charge.
Does he now forever have to answer the "Have you ever
been arrested?" question with "Yes?"

Karen should be as publicly shamed as the innocent was humiliated.
And fined for being stupid, just on general principles, in the hope that
the experience will cause her to THINK in future.  There is plenty of
blame to go around, here.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] power seat heated seat called seat Bose stereo Ron -- Mercedes SL 550 - $14, 900 (Myrtle beach)

Ignore the idiocy and negotiate for a car that isn't vanilla/beige.

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Re: [MBZ] This could be a real bargain

Meaning that adults get to enjoy it as much as kids.

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> On 2021-10-12 13:32, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Adult-sized toy '58 Ford Fairlane electric on BAT.
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ford-fairlane-9/
>
>
> Adult sized?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

Mid-afternoon (3 pm) NYC surcharge.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 1:48 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Just to put the hard cost of this incident into perspective.
> Two emergency slides were deployed. Cost per slide [general overview, it
> may vary based on exact model of aircraft. This is based on a 737.]
>
> https://consumerist.com/2016/04/08/unnecessarily-deployed-emergency-slide-could-cost-united-airlines-as-much-as-3/
> Add to that, landing fees, parking fees, and crew transfer costs, passenger
> transfer costs, etc..
> The aircraft now sets with missing components for the Required Equipment
> List [working escape slides] and can only be flown to a repair facility to
> be "repaired" ... which requires a special ferry permit [FAA issued] and a
> "Ferry pilot crew" to be flown in to fly the aircraft to maintenance shop,
> before it can be put back in service.  More costs.
> Ground handling fees... a tug has to tow the aircraft to temp parking
> [parking fees for an airliner are not cheap]...
> Possible emergency response fire,Medical and police costs... [yep... there
> will be some].
> This is just a short list, I'm sure other costs have been overlooked.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:31 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks.  I wonder if the airline will offer to compensate the
> > misunderstood/handcuffed/humiliated passenger with a $300 travel voucher.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 1:25 PM Jim Cathey 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > OK, I get it.  The air hostess ("Karen") misinterpreted what the law
> > > > abiding citizen was doing.  D'oh.
> > >
> > > Still not right.  The Karen was another _passenger_.  I mostly blame
> > > the airline staff for overreacting based on the unsubstantiated word
> > > of a passenger.  Karen was just another idiot, nothing too special
> > > about that.  I kind of feel sorry for her, her world is just chock full
> > > of 'bombs'.  Perhaps I feel even more sorry for any S.O. that she
> > > might have.
> > >
> > > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

Just to put the hard cost of this incident into perspective.
Two emergency slides were deployed. Cost per slide [general overview, it
may vary based on exact model of aircraft. This is based on a 737.]
https://consumerist.com/2016/04/08/unnecessarily-deployed-emergency-slide-could-cost-united-airlines-as-much-as-3/
Add to that, landing fees, parking fees, and crew transfer costs, passenger
transfer costs, etc..
The aircraft now sets with missing components for the Required Equipment
List [working escape slides] and can only be flown to a repair facility to
be "repaired" ... which requires a special ferry permit [FAA issued] and a
"Ferry pilot crew" to be flown in to fly the aircraft to maintenance shop,
before it can be put back in service.  More costs.
Ground handling fees... a tug has to tow the aircraft to temp parking
[parking fees for an airliner are not cheap]...
Possible emergency response fire,Medical and police costs... [yep... there
will be some].
This is just a short list, I'm sure other costs have been overlooked.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:31 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I wonder if the airline will offer to compensate the
> misunderstood/handcuffed/humiliated passenger with a $300 travel voucher.
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 1:25 PM Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
>
> > > OK, I get it.  The air hostess ("Karen") misinterpreted what the law
> > > abiding citizen was doing.  D'oh.
> >
> > Still not right.  The Karen was another _passenger_.  I mostly blame
> > the airline staff for overreacting based on the unsubstantiated word
> > of a passenger.  Karen was just another idiot, nothing too special
> > about that.  I kind of feel sorry for her, her world is just chock full
> > of 'bombs'.  Perhaps I feel even more sorry for any S.O. that she
> > might have.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

2021-10-12 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

These tanks generally have two heater elements: upper and lower.  The lower 
element has a simple thermostat (disk type) that turns on and off near the set 
point, with some hysteresis. The upper thermostat is more complex; when off 
(water warm enough) it routes power to the lower thermostat.  When on (water at 
top too cool) power is removed from the lower element and the upper element is 
powered.  The thermostats can be replaced without removing the heater elements 
or braining the tank.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:04 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

Seems unlikely to me that the original one and a replacement one would fail 
that quick. Old water heater was there 15 years and never had a valve fail. I 
wonder if it’s not shutting off when it should and heats the water too hot.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
> 
> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that 
> made a whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
> 
> -- Jim
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras


On 2021-10-12 13:25, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

OK, I get it.  The air hostess ("Karen") misinterpreted what the law
abiding citizen was doing.  D'oh.


Still not right.  The Karen was another _passenger_.  I mostly blame
the airline staff for overreacting based on the unsubstantiated word
of a passenger.


OMG, he's looking at stuff on his phone!

That's nice, Madam. We're not allowed to dispense Valium, would you like 
some complimentary bourbon from first class?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

2021-10-12 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Considering he was handling a vintage camera, any damages to the camera could 
end up in the thousands. Leica, Hasselblad, Zeiss come to mind.


Rick

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Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

Thanks.  I wonder if the airline will offer to compensate the
misunderstood/handcuffed/humiliated passenger with a $300 travel voucher.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 1:25 PM Jim Cathey  wrote:

> > OK, I get it.  The air hostess ("Karen") misinterpreted what the law
> > abiding citizen was doing.  D'oh.
>
> Still not right.  The Karen was another _passenger_.  I mostly blame
> the airline staff for overreacting based on the unsubstantiated word
> of a passenger.  Karen was just another idiot, nothing too special
> about that.  I kind of feel sorry for her, her world is just chock full
> of 'bombs'.  Perhaps I feel even more sorry for any S.O. that she
> might have.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

2021-10-12 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Also, if someone "tests" the P-T safety valve by manually "burping" it, there 
is a chance of suspended solids getting stuck on the valve's sealing surfaces 
(causing a dripping leak).
On the plus side, these valves are (relatively) cheap and easy to replace.

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Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

From what was described to me it sounds like a steady stream, but not sure yet. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 10:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> IMO if the water is getting hot enough to open the relief valve the tenant 
> would notice it, being scalded in the shower or washing dishes.
> 
> Is it a slow trickle leak from the valve or is it periodically opening and 
> letting out a blast of hot water?
> 
> If a slow leak, might try operating the valve manually with the lever a few 
> times, if is a bit of debris from the manufacturing or installation that's 
> preventing it from sealing up properly that might flush it out.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Seems unlikely to me that the original one and a replacement one would fail 
>> that quick. Old water heater was there 15 years and never had a valve fail. 
>> I wonder if it’s not shutting off when it should and heats the water too hot.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
>>> 
>>> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that 
>>> made a whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a real bargain


On 2021-10-12 13:32, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Adult-sized toy '58 Ford Fairlane electric on BAT.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ford-fairlane-9/



Adult sized?
That 4' girl fills the car in the video.

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[MBZ] This could be a real bargain

Adult-sized toy '58 Ford Fairlane electric on BAT.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ford-fairlane-9/
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

Thanks.  I wonder if the airline will offer to compensate the
misunderstood/handcuffed/humiliated passenger with a $300 travel voucher.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 1:25 PM Jim Cathey  wrote:

> > OK, I get it.  The air hostess ("Karen") misinterpreted what the law
> > abiding citizen was doing.  D'oh.
>
> Still not right.  The Karen was another _passenger_.  I mostly blame
> the airline staff for overreacting based on the unsubstantiated word
> of a passenger.  Karen was just another idiot, nothing too special
> about that.  I kind of feel sorry for her, her world is just chock full
> of 'bombs'.  Perhaps I feel even more sorry for any S.O. that she
> might have.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

> OK, I get it.  The air hostess ("Karen") misinterpreted what the law
> abiding citizen was doing.  D'oh.

Still not right.  The Karen was another _passenger_.  I mostly blame
the airline staff for overreacting based on the unsubstantiated word
of a passenger.  Karen was just another idiot, nothing too special
about that.  I kind of feel sorry for her, her world is just chock full
of 'bombs'.  Perhaps I feel even more sorry for any S.O. that she
might have.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Tile is in my name (light green) 1984 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $4, 800

Ugly wheels; needs repainting anyway so change it to mittelrot.

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> it's a coupe
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> > Could use a paint job but otherwise decent, price too high
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

OK, I get it.  The air hostess ("Karen") misinterpreted what the law
abiding citizen was doing.  D'oh.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 12:50 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> All about the word "karen" in slang use today... in the interest of
> expanding ourselves and accepting others.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 9:19 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Why "Karen"?  This was a male passenger making the bomb threat.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 11:24 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > How about billing the karen who actually caused this "incident" for
> > costs
> > >
> > > There are ALWAYS idiots.  The real problem is the supposedly-trained
> > staff
> > > allowing things to get this far.  Just following the playbook?  Anybody
> > > remember
> > > the movie "Die Hard"?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] FB photog of the day -- You got to have a key made 2000 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 230 Sedan 4D, $500

Took the photos at night b/c the owner might be suspicious if seen in broad
daylight.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

All about the word "karen" in slang use today... in the interest of
expanding ourselves and accepting others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 9:19 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Why "Karen"?  This was a male passenger making the bomb threat.
>
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> > > How about billing the karen who actually caused this "incident" for
> costs
> >
> > There are ALWAYS idiots.  The real problem is the supposedly-trained
> staff
> > allowing things to get this far.  Just following the playbook?  Anybody
> > remember
> > the movie "Die Hard"?
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Re: [MBZ] Tile is in my name (light green) 1984 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $4, 800

2021-10-12 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

it's a coupe

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

> Why "Karen"?  This was a male passenger making the bomb threat.

There was no bomb threat.  Just a guy playing with his camera, which 'Karen' 
didn't recognize,
and subsequently pulled the fire alarm, so to speak, rather than investigating 
further.  Flight
diverted, massive delays and inappropriate response costs ensue, and an 
innocent camera
owner ends up facedown on the pavement with knees in his back.  And Karen, 
aloof and
uncaring, moves along to her next victim...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

Why "Karen"?  This was a male passenger making the bomb threat.

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>
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> remember
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

Run a google search on the mfr. and model # to see if there are any recalls
or lemon alerts.

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> What Grant and Scott said ...
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:31 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > From what was described to me it sounds like a steady stream, but not
> sure
> > yet.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 12, 2021, at 10:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > IMO if the water is getting hot enough to open the relief valve the
> > tenant would notice it, being scalded in the shower or washing dishes.
> > >
> > > Is it a slow trickle leak from the valve or is it periodically opening
> > and letting out a blast of hot water?
> > >
> > > If a slow leak, might try operating the valve manually with the lever a
> > few times, if is a bit of debris from the manufacturing or installation
> > that's preventing it from sealing up properly that might flush it out.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Seems unlikely to me that the original one and a replacement one would
> > fail that quick. Old water heater was there 15 years and never had a
> valve
> > fail. I wonder if it’s not shutting off when it should and heats the
> water
> > too hot.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Jim Cathey 
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > 
> >  Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
> > >>>
> > >>> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that
> > made a
> > >>> whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

2021-10-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

What Grant and Scott said ...

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> From what was described to me it sounds like a steady stream, but not sure
> yet.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 10:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > IMO if the water is getting hot enough to open the relief valve the
> tenant would notice it, being scalded in the shower or washing dishes.
> >
> > Is it a slow trickle leak from the valve or is it periodically opening
> and letting out a blast of hot water?
> >
> > If a slow leak, might try operating the valve manually with the lever a
> few times, if is a bit of debris from the manufacturing or installation
> that's preventing it from sealing up properly that might flush it out.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Seems unlikely to me that the original one and a replacement one would
> fail that quick. Old water heater was there 15 years and never had a valve
> fail. I wonder if it’s not shutting off when it should and heats the water
> too hot.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> 
>  Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
> >>>
> >>> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that
> made a
> >>> whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
> >>>
> >>> -- Jim
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[MBZ] Sorta OnT -- power ratchet

I was thinking about getting a power ratchet tool, I see this one on 
Amazon that is not too expensive and seems to get good reviews, about 
half the price of a Milwaukee.  I have a ridgid impact (screw) driver 
that I can put a socket adapter in that works fine for smaller bolts so 
would not necessarily need a 3/8" impact driver of the same sort.


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KGX56D4

There seems to be a whole bunch of similar chinee tools for a bit cheaper

https://www.amazon.com/Cordless-Electric-Variable-Lithium-Ion-Batteries/dp/B07X37XMX3

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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

From what was described to me it sounds like a steady stream, but not sure yet. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 10:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> IMO if the water is getting hot enough to open the relief valve the tenant 
> would notice it, being scalded in the shower or washing dishes.
> 
> Is it a slow trickle leak from the valve or is it periodically opening and 
> letting out a blast of hot water?
> 
> If a slow leak, might try operating the valve manually with the lever a few 
> times, if is a bit of debris from the manufacturing or installation that's 
> preventing it from sealing up properly that might flush it out.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Seems unlikely to me that the original one and a replacement one would fail 
>> that quick. Old water heater was there 15 years and never had a valve fail. 
>> I wonder if it’s not shutting off when it should and heats the water too hot.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
>>> 
>>> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that made a
>>> whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

> How about billing the karen who actually caused this "incident" for costs

There are ALWAYS idiots.  The real problem is the supposedly-trained staff
allowing things to get this far.  Just following the playbook?  Anybody remember
the movie "Die Hard"?

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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

IMO if the water is getting hot enough to open the relief valve the tenant 
would notice it, being scalded in the shower or washing dishes.

Is it a slow trickle leak from the valve or is it periodically opening and 
letting out a blast of hot water?

If a slow leak, might try operating the valve manually with the lever a few 
times, if is a bit of debris from the manufacturing or installation that's 
preventing it from sealing up properly that might flush it out.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Seems unlikely to me that the original one and a replacement one would fail 
> that quick. Old water heater was there 15 years and never had a valve fail. I 
> wonder if it’s not shutting off when it should and heats the water too hot.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
> > 
> > Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that made a
> > whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
> > 
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage Cameras

How about billing the karen who actually caused this "incident" for costs
incurred to the airline, the emergency response teams, etc.?
The demonstrated lack of situational awareness of the general passengers is
stunning... Is everyone so completely tuned out these days? Sorry, I know
the answer to that already...
Drive your Mercedes to wherever you are going

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> On 2021-10-12 01:10, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > Moral of this story: don't play with with your old Leica on a flight
> > with a Karen on it. I miss my old Minolta XG1.
> >
> >
> https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/update-la-guardia-emergency-freakout-caused-by-super-paranoid-karen/
>
>
> ...because browsing bombing info on your phone makes your phone into a
> bomb and puts the plane in danger.
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

That’s what I am thinking 

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> On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:53 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It makes me think there is a temp control issue with that heater.
> Take your laser digital temp device [everyone has one now, right?] and take
> the actual water temp of the water coming out at the leak I'll bet you
> have a steam heater instead of a water heater and the temp control is
> having random failure which overheats the water enough to blow the valve
> open...
> The relief valve is built into the heater to give a relief point before the
> steam pressure blows the faucets off the walls or breaks pipes...
> etc...
> Faulty water heater... warranty time for the whole heater, not just the
> relief valve
> Just MHO
> 
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 7:44 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
>> 
>> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that made a
>> whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

Or does the renter have a mischievous (aka asshole) kid with a torch...
Maybe like that asshat arsonist kid here a few years ago, that was mad
that his parents moved here, and was taking it out on the community.

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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

Seems unlikely to me that the original one and a replacement one would fail 
that quick. Old water heater was there 15 years and never had a valve fail. I 
wonder if it’s not shutting off when it should and heats the water too hot.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
> 
> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that made a
> whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
> 
> -- Jim
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters


On 2021-10-12 10:41, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...


Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that 
made a

whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...


It's a Temperature and Pressure Valve, right?
What if the thermostat sticks, or doesn't sense tank temperature because 
there's insulation caught behind it?


https://www.corroprotec.com/blog/water-heater-pressure-relief-valve/

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Could use a paint job but otherwise decent, price too high

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[MBZ] Nothing is wrong you probably just need a paint job Mercedes Benz, $4, 500


The meth lab blew up and burned off the clear coat

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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

It makes me think there is a temp control issue with that heater.
Take your laser digital temp device [everyone has one now, right?] and take
the actual water temp of the water coming out at the leak I'll bet you
have a steam heater instead of a water heater and the temp control is
having random failure which overheats the water enough to blow the valve
open...
The relief valve is built into the heater to give a relief point before the
steam pressure blows the faucets off the walls or breaks pipes...
etc...
Faulty water heater... warranty time for the whole heater, not just the
relief valve
Just MHO

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> > Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
>
> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that made a
> whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
>
> -- Jim
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> Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...

Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that made a
whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...

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[MBZ] power seat heated seat called seat Bose stereo Ron -- Mercedes SL 550 - $14, 900 (Myrtle beach)


Some people call me Maurice

https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-mercedes-sl-550/7393014196.html

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Re: [MBZ] MECHANICS SPECIAL 1995 S500 - $4,555

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Extra 5

No pics of front seats

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> On Oct 12, 2021, at 12:52 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Extra 4 in the price
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> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/des-plaines-mechanics-special-1995/7392717405.html
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Re: [MBZ] $333 per working cylinder, I need it gone my loss is your gain - 1999 E320 - $1, 000

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Offer $800 and haul it home. Can’t be that bad. Put a scanner on it and find 
the issue, fix it, drive it then flip it for $2k

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> On Oct 12, 2021, at 12:45 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> From the pics the body does look like it might be OK. Wonder what's up with 
> the misfire. If it's a potential easy fix I might look at this as a winter 
> beater.
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Re: [MBZ] $333 per working cylinder, I need it gone my loss is your gain - 1999 E320 - $1, 000


On 2021-10-12 00:52, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

That actually might not be a bad deal.


Chinese coil packs are cheap to play with.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=4635090&cc=1409868&pt=7060&jsn=487

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