Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
On 2022-03-05 00:46, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs? The increasing cost of food may bring the used car market to heel. That and the child tax credit that has been dispensed on a monthly basis, as opposed to getting a large tax return in March or April. One can hope. I'd like to pick up a Benz bargain or two from somewhere other than the rust belt. I'm getting people who claim they withheld 'the maximum' being shocked to find that they owe $2k this year. The ACTC didn't make THAT much difference, we're talking about raising a $2k taxtime credit to $3600 with $1800 left for now (under 6) or $3k with $1500 left for now (6-17). So I'd expect somebody with a couple of older kids to owe an extra $1k, not $2-3k, and I'm wasting too much time with them demanding I tell them why their employers didn't withhold enough. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Of course now that I replaced the AC clutch coil…
It’s now back in the 30’s. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice, gorgeous color combo -- MERCEDES 300SD - $4, 500 (Palm coast fl)
1981 lacks all the refinements introduced from 1982-1985. On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 8:22 PM mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > On 2022-03-05 11:43, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Norm is My Kind of Guy. Too bad about the non OEM antenna and worst > > model > > year. > > > What's wrong with a first year 126? > I don't recall any major teething pains. > The nice thing about 1981-1982 is I can buy license plates by weight, > not by the $30k+ MSRP, in Michigan. A 4000lb car is something like $60, > as opposed to $150ish for a 1983-1985 S class. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per month to heat my house. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Did Karl want to start a pool on LA gas prices? >> $7 a gallon here. I checked and GasBuddy concurs. >> >> This will not end well. >> >> >> Rick > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Yep. This will be a hard pill to swallow. Wait till the already out of control grocery prices starts shooting up due to out of control fuel prices. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2022, at 11:14 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to heat > my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by then and > I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and that’s > keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per gallon by then > which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per month to heat my house. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Did Karl want to start a pool on LA gas prices? >>> $7 a gallon here. I checked and GasBuddy concurs. >>> >>> This will not end well. >>> >>> >>> Rick >> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
I haven't even received my refund from last year yet. What is going on at the IRS these days? Did COVID create that much of a backlog? On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, at 8:32 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > On 2022-03-05 00:46, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs? >> >> The increasing cost of food may bring the used car market to heel. >> That and the child tax credit that has been dispensed on a monthly >> basis, as opposed to getting a large tax return in March or April. One >> can hope. I'd like to pick up a Benz bargain or two from somewhere >> other than the rust belt. >> > > I'm getting people who claim they withheld 'the maximum' being shocked > to find that they owe $2k this year. The ACTC didn't make THAT much > difference, we're talking about raising a $2k taxtime credit to $3600 > with $1800 left for now (under 6) or $3k with $1500 left for now (6-17). > So I'd expect somebody with a couple of older kids to owe an extra $1k, > not $2-3k, and I'm wasting too much time with them demanding I tell them > why their employers didn't withhold enough. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
> If oil hits $8 per gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be > paying $2000 per month to heat my house. Yep. Let's say a semi gets 6 mpg. That semi travelling from a state that grows food to a state that consumes food goes 1,200 miles. The fuel cost for that trip went from $400 to $1,600 when fuel hits eight bucks a gallon, coming from $2 a gallon. Are we seeing an incoming problem yet? The problem with mathmatics (and hard facts) is that "it is what it is". Math doesn't lie, emotion doesn't change it. Mitch's customers are now coming to that realization now that it's tax time. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Time to look into alternative heat sources. On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per month to heat my house. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Did Karl want to start a pool on LA gas prices? $7 a gallon here. I checked and GasBuddy concurs. This will not end well. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than ways of increasing efficiency. For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any and all gaps or leaks addressed. A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal rebates and tax credits. It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of insulation makes the place very efficient. For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in how we use energy as well as alternatives. -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Time to look into alternative heat sources. > > > On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to heat >> my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by then and >> I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and that’s >> keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per gallon by >> then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per month to heat my >> house. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Did Karl want to start a pool on LA gas prices? $7 a gallon here. I checked and GasBuddy concurs. This will not end well. Rick >>> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
> I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter... If oil hits > $8 per gallon... I will be paying $2000 per month... Dimensional analysis calls BS. Closer to $2000 per _winter_, not month. Or did you leave out something? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under the sun floor between the joists somehow? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. > > I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of > times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than ways > of increasing efficiency. > > For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out of > the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected based on > our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about 2,000 sf, wood > frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of the house was not > insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in insulation in the > attic space was a mess from being moved around during several renovations as > well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in some spots it caused ice > dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage in one part of the house, > yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. > > We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation > installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out and > more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any and all > gaps or leaks addressed. > > A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to > the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper 90% > efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do > anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air > conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an > addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. > > Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered > about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal rebates > and tax credits. > > It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the > level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than heck, > and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation in the > floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO installed a wood > stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. > > The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) and > cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at a > comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. > Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter at > this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of > insulation makes the place very efficient. > > For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one > good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in > how we use energy as well as alternatives. > > -D > > > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Time to look into alternative heat sources. >> >> >>> On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to >>> heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by >>> then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and >>> that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per >>> gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per month >>> to heat my house. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Did Karl want to start a pool on LA gas prices? > $7 a gallon here. I checked and GasBuddy concurs. > > This will not end well. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> __
Re: [MBZ] ran great till the key wouldn’t turn - 1997 C230 - 166k miles - $1,500
Does that car have a fob or metal key? --FT Sent from iFōn > On Mar 5, 2022, at 7:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > No repairs on my property!!! > > https://chambana.craigslist.org/cto/d/champaign-1997-c230-mercedes-benz/7454394837.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Batts in joist spaces with these little wire things that stick underneath the batts between the joists every 2ft or so --FT Sent from iFōn > On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under > the sun floor between the joists somehow? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. >> >> I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of >> times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than ways >> of increasing efficiency. >> >> For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out of >> the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected based >> on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about 2,000 sf, >> wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of the house >> was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in insulation >> in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during several >> renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in some spots >> it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage in one part >> of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. >> >> We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation >> installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out >> and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any and >> all gaps or leaks addressed. >> >> A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to >> the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper 90% >> efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do >> anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air >> conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an >> addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. >> >> Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered >> about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal rebates >> and tax credits. >> >> It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the >> level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than >> heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation >> in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO >> installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. >> >> The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) and >> cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at a >> comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. >> Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter at >> this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of >> insulation makes the place very efficient. >> >> For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one >> good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in >> how we use energy as well as alternatives. >> >> -D >> >> >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Time to look into alternative heat sources. >>> >>> On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per month to heat my house. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Did Karl want to start a pool on LA gas prices? >> $7 a gallon here. I checked and GasBuddy concurs. >> >> This will not end well. >> >> >> Rick > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/lis
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, although the second approach is less desirable because the paper backing can get damp and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of insulation in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts they used, I would have to go back and look at the work order. They also insulated all exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would reduce heat transmission from the house and allow the air temperature in the crawl to be closer to ambient, potentially allowing any exposed (copper) pipes to freeze. I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the floor/crawl. It had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the PO ran the wood stove full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty expensive with the amount of wood it consumes. -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under the > sun floor between the joists somehow? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. >> >> I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of >> times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than ways >> of increasing efficiency. >> >> For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out of >> the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected based >> on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about 2,000 sf, >> wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of the house >> was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in insulation >> in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during several >> renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in some spots >> it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage in one part >> of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. >> >> We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation >> installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out >> and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any and >> all gaps or leaks addressed. >> >> A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to >> the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper 90% >> efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do >> anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air >> conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an >> addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. >> >> Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered >> about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal rebates >> and tax credits. >> >> It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the >> level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than >> heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation >> in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO >> installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. >> >> The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) and >> cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at a >> comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. >> Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter at >> this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of >> insulation makes the place very efficient. >> >> For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one >> good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in >> how we use energy as well as alternatives. >> >> -D >> >> >> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Time to look into alternative heat sources. >>> >>> On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per month to heat my house. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Merce
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Neither one of our houses has insulation under the floors and I can't say I have heard of it being done around here. Might be a good idea though. On 3/6/2022 1:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, although the second approach is less desirable because the paper backing can get damp and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of insulation in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts they used, I would have to go back and look at the work order. They also insulated all exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would reduce heat transmission from the house and allow the air temperature in the crawl to be closer to ambient, potentially allowing any exposed (copper) pipes to freeze. I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the floor/crawl. It had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the PO ran the wood stove full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty expensive with the amount of wood it consumes. -D On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under the sun floor between the joists somehow? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than ways of increasing efficiency. For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any and all gaps or leaks addressed. A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal rebates and tax credits. It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of insulation makes the place very efficient. For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in how we use energy as well as alternatives. -D On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Time to look into alternative heat sources. On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per month to heat my house. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Did Karl want to start a pool on LA gas prices? $7 a gallon here. I checked and
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Go down to Home Depot, buy some insulation and get some of the day workers to install it for you. I can’t believe there’s no insulation in a crawl space/floor in a home that requires heat in the winter. That’s crazy. -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Neither one of our houses has insulation under the floors and I can't say I > have heard of it being done around here. Might be a good idea though. > > On 3/6/2022 1:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, although >> the second approach is less desirable because the paper backing can get damp >> and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. >> >> With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of insulation >> in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts they used, I >> would have to go back and look at the work order. They also insulated all >> exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would reduce heat transmission >> from the house and allow the air temperature in the crawl to be closer to >> ambient, potentially allowing any exposed (copper) pipes to freeze. >> >> I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the floor/crawl. It >> had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the PO ran the wood stove >> full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty expensive with the amount of >> wood it consumes. >> >> -D >> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under >>> the sun floor between the joists somehow? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than ways of increasing efficiency. For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any and all gaps or leaks addressed. A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal rebates and tax credits. It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of insulation makes the place very efficient. For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in how we use energy as well as alternatives. -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Time to look into alternative heat sources. > > >> On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
I thought the paper/moisture barrier always faced the living space? On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, at 2:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, > although the second approach is less desirable because the paper > backing can get damp and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. > > With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of > insulation in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts > they used, I would have to go back and look at the work order. They > also insulated all exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would > reduce heat transmission from the house and allow the air temperature > in the crawl to be closer to ambient, potentially allowing any exposed > (copper) pipes to freeze. > > I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the > floor/crawl. It had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the > PO ran the wood stove full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty > expensive with the amount of wood it consumes. > > -D > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under >> the sun floor between the joists somehow? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. >>> >>> I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of >>> times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than >>> ways of increasing efficiency. >>> >>> For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out >>> of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected >>> based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about >>> 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of >>> the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in >>> insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during >>> several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in >>> some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage >>> in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. >>> >>> We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation >>> installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out >>> and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any >>> and all gaps or leaks addressed. >>> >>> A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to >>> the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper >>> 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do >>> anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air >>> conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an >>> addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. >>> >>> Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered >>> about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal >>> rebates and tax credits. >>> >>> It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the >>> level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than >>> heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation >>> in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO >>> installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. >>> >>> The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) >>> and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at >>> a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. >>> Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter >>> at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of >>> insulation makes the place very efficient. >>> >>> For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one >>> good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in >>> how we use energy as well as alternatives. >>> >>> -D >>> >>> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Time to look into alternative heat sources. > On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to > heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by > then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and > that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per > gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per > month to heat my house. > > Sent from my iPhone >>>
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Heat rises, so it's not as bad as an uninsulated attic. But having a cold floor (and hence, cold feet) can make the room *feel* colder than it is, and you will lose some heat to the principle that heat conducts from warmer to colder objects. On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Neither one of our houses has insulation under the floors and I can't > say I have heard of it being done around here. Might be a good idea though. > > On 3/6/2022 1:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, although >> the second approach is less desirable because the paper backing can get damp >> and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. >> >> With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of insulation >> in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts they used, I >> would have to go back and look at the work order. They also insulated all >> exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would reduce heat transmission >> from the house and allow the air temperature in the crawl to be closer to >> ambient, potentially allowing any exposed (copper) pipes to freeze. >> >> I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the floor/crawl. It >> had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the PO ran the wood stove >> full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty expensive with the amount of >> wood it consumes. >> >> -D >> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under >>> the sun floor between the joists somehow? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than ways of increasing efficiency. For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any and all gaps or leaks addressed. A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal rebates and tax credits. It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of insulation makes the place very efficient. For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in how we use energy as well as alternatives. -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Time to look into alternative heat sources. > > >> On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
I believe that’s correct, I’m just saying I’ve seen it installed in crawl spaces/floor joists this way as well, but it’s not the ideal/appropriate method from what I understand. -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I thought the paper/moisture barrier always faced the living space? > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, at 2:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, >> although the second approach is less desirable because the paper >> backing can get damp and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. >> >> With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of >> insulation in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts >> they used, I would have to go back and look at the work order. They >> also insulated all exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would >> reduce heat transmission from the house and allow the air temperature >> in the crawl to be closer to ambient, potentially allowing any exposed >> (copper) pipes to freeze. >> >> I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the >> floor/crawl. It had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the >> PO ran the wood stove full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty >> expensive with the amount of wood it consumes. >> >> -D >> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under >>> the sun floor between the joists somehow? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than ways of increasing efficiency. For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any and all gaps or leaks addressed. A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal rebates and tax credits. It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of insulation makes the place very efficient. For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in how we use energy as well as alternatives. -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Time to look into alternative heat sources. > > >> On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to >> heat my house? A
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
our previous house was built in 1978 with a floor over a crawl space. The floor was insulated when it was built. I can't believe that the houses in Kaleb's neck of the woods don't have insulated floors. On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Neither one of our houses has insulation under the floors and I can't > say I have heard of it being done around here. Might be a good idea > though. > > On 3/6/2022 1:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, > although the second approach is less desirable because the paper backing > can get damp and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. > > > > With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of > insulation in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts > they used, I would have to go back and look at the work order. They also > insulated all exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would reduce heat > transmission from the house and allow the air temperature in the crawl to > be closer to ambient, potentially allowing any exposed (copper) pipes to > freeze. > > > > I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the > floor/crawl. It had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the PO > ran the wood stove full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty expensive > with the amount of wood it consumes. > > > > -D > > > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it > under the sun floor between the joists somehow? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. > >>> > >>> I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot > of times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than > ways of increasing efficiency. > >>> > >>> For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right > out of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected > based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about > 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of > the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in > insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during > several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in > some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage > in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. > >>> > >>> We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation > installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out > and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any > and all gaps or leaks addressed. > >>> > >>> A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part > due to the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to > upper 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need > to do anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we > added air conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split > to an addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. > >>> > >>> Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We > recovered about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and > Federal rebates and tax credits. > >>> > >>> It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in > the level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than > heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation > in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO > installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. > >>> > >>> The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water > heater) and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we > keep it at a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at > night. Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the > winter at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount > of insulation makes the place very efficient. > >>> > >>> For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the > one good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at > efficiencies in how we use energy as well as alternatives. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Time to look into alternative heat sources. > > > > On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > > So what about home heating oil? What happens next winte
[MBZ] 2000 E320 - 145k miles - $2,000
Maybe worth the ask before the collision damage. Maybe. https://muncie.craigslist.org/cto/d/new-castle-2000-mercedes-benz-320/7454698047.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
I have never seen one but really only have our 2 houses to compare to. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > our previous house was built in 1978 with a floor over a crawl space. The > floor was insulated when it was built. I can't believe that the houses in > Kaleb's neck of the woods don't have insulated floors. > >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Neither one of our houses has insulation under the floors and I can't >> say I have heard of it being done around here. Might be a good idea >> though. >> >>> On 3/6/2022 1:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, >> although the second approach is less desirable because the paper backing >> can get damp and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. >>> >>> With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of >> insulation in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts >> they used, I would have to go back and look at the work order. They also >> insulated all exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would reduce heat >> transmission from the house and allow the air temperature in the crawl to >> be closer to ambient, potentially allowing any exposed (copper) pipes to >> freeze. >>> >>> I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the >> floor/crawl. It had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the PO >> ran the wood stove full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty expensive >> with the amount of wood it consumes. >>> >>> -D >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it >> under the sun floor between the joists somehow? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. > > I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot >> of times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than >> ways of increasing efficiency. > > For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right >> out of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected >> based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about >> 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of >> the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in >> insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during >> several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in >> some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage >> in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. > > We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation >> installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out >> and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any >> and all gaps or leaks addressed. > > A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part >> due to the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to >> upper 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need >> to do anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we >> added air conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split >> to an addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. > > Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We >> recovered about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and >> Federal rebates and tax credits. > > It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in >> the level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than >> heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation >> in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO >> installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. > > The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water >> heater) and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we >> keep it at a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at >> night. Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the >> winter at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount >> of insulation makes the place very efficient. > > For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the >> one good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at >> efficiencies in how we use energy as well as alternatives. > > -D > > > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via M
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Gorda, CA. Highest prices I can find right now. https://www.ksbw.com/article/gas-prices-in-gorda-hit-dollar759/39341899 $8.49 9/10 for premium. Coming to a city near you. Wish I had the equipment and parts to rebuild Mercedes diesel injection pumps. There will be a ton of cars for sale cheap when they get destroyed by morons. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Not a surprise, since Gorda is just south of Big Sur and there’s literally nothing in the way of infrastructure anywhere near. I’m sure the prices are close to this all along that part of the coast as well as on the Lost Coast (northern CA near the OR border.) They were at or near $4.00/gallon for regular unleaded in Flagstaff yesterday. All of their fuel gets trucked in from PHX, two hours to the south. I’m heading back in a few weeks, I’m sure it will be much higher then. Thank goodness I work from home and everywhere else I go is within a couple miles of the house. Time to go V12 shopping! -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Gorda, CA. Highest prices I can find right now. > > https://www.ksbw.com/article/gas-prices-in-gorda-hit-dollar759/39341899 > > $8.49 9/10 for premium. > > Coming to a city near you. > > Wish I had the equipment and parts to rebuild Mercedes diesel injection > pumps. There will be a ton of cars for sale cheap when they get destroyed by > morons. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Gas jumped to $3.99 just about everywhere here. Diesel at $4.69 still. I'm thinking I ought to grab an extra 15 gallons of diesel before the price goes up. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 5:15 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Not a surprise, since Gorda is just south of Big Sur and there’s literally nothing in the way of infrastructure anywhere near. I’m sure the prices are close to this all along that part of the coast as well as on the Lost Coast (northern CA near the OR border.) They were at or near $4.00/gallon for regular unleaded in Flagstaff yesterday. All of their fuel gets trucked in from PHX, two hours to the south. I’m heading back in a few weeks, I’m sure it will be much higher then. Thank goodness I work from home and everywhere else I go is within a couple miles of the house. Time to go V12 shopping! -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Gorda, CA. Highest prices I can find right now. > > https://www.ksbw.com/article/gas-prices-in-gorda-hit-dollar759/39341899 > > $8.49 9/10 for premium. > > Coming to a city near you. > > Wish I had the equipment and parts to rebuild Mercedes diesel injection > pumps. There will be a ton of cars for sale cheap when they get destroyed by > morons. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
On 2022-03-06 12:13, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per month to heat my house. I log my propane tank levels weekly. Today the one I'm using (500 gal) was at 19%, down from 80% in September. So I've used 300g and look to be on track to finish in my typical 325-350 range if March and April are reasonably warm. Have about 400g left in the other tank. I spent over $1000 filling both tanks last year but that's because I didn't fill in 2020 and bought two years' worth. I don't think I'll be buying propane for $1.36 this summer...may be lucky if it's under $2. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Filled up at 3.89 today, $0.20 less than I would have paid at the same station last night. So I get to say for one more week that I've never paid $4 for regular. Saw a Presidential Pump Sticker in the wild for the first time, Joe was pointing at the 3.89 price above the regular button but not any of the other buttons. Same pump did not have a sticker on it Tuesday. I assume the prankster was waiting for $4. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
I generally do enough shopping at Kroger that I get $0.20 or more discount per gallon with every fill up. Friday night I paid $3.79 on a posted price of $3.99 for 87. Have not been in town since then to see what it is at but will be running out shortly to pick up son at airport. We'll see It's usually 20 or 30 cents cheaper in Indianapolis than here so I might fill up on the way home. On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, at 7:11 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > Filled up at 3.89 today, $0.20 less than I would have paid at the same > station last night. So I get to say for one more week that I've never > paid $4 for regular. > Saw a Presidential Pump Sticker in the wild for the first time, Joe was > pointing at the 3.89 price above the regular button but not any of the > other buttons. Same pump did not have a sticker on it Tuesday. I assume > the prankster was waiting for $4. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
On 2022-03-06 19:18, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I generally do enough shopping at Kroger that I get $0.20 or more discount per gallon with every fill up. Friday night I paid $3.79 on a posted price of $3.99 for 87. Have not been in town since then to see what it is at but will be running out shortly to pick up son at airport. We'll see It's usually 20 or 30 cents cheaper in Indianapolis than here so I might fill up on the way home. gasbuddy.com is your friend here. Check prices along your route and pick where you want to stop. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
That reminds me that my standby generator guy comes tomorrow morning for my twice a year PM visit. Guess I should check my 500 gallon tank and see what it needs. The propane places around here are so messed up - it’s just the national chains, no locals. Of course they all want to sell you a plan where they come by regularly to top off the tank, but they don’t seem to understand a generator as a consumer of fuel in that it uses very little just exercising weekly. They also try to screw you over if you own your tank - they all wanted to charge me an “inspection fee” before they would fill my tank. Some were as high as $200! I think I ended up with AmeriGas, who quoted me $69. What was funny was the guy came out and filled it, then the guy came later the same day to inspect the tank. Yes, a scam no doubt. Lucky for me I got the tank installer to fill it the first time. He’s about 50 miles away or he would be my regular supplier. -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 7:07 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2022-03-06 12:13, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have >> to heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will >> normalize by then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil >> during the winter and that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on >> average. If oil hits $8 per gallon by then which is not a stretch then >> I will be paying $2000 per month to heat my house. > > > I log my propane tank levels weekly. > Today the one I'm using (500 gal) was at 19%, down from 80% in September. > So I've used 300g and look to be on track to finish in my typical 325-350 > range if March and April are reasonably warm. Have about 400g left in the > other tank. I spent over $1000 filling both tanks last year but that's > because I didn't fill in 2020 and bought two years' worth. I don't think I'll > be buying propane for $1.36 this summer...may be lucky if it's under $2. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
One thing folks have not mentioned yet. Last time fuel prices exploded the demand was much higher. With the Covid bs going on, we have now moved to more remote work so a lot of folks don’t have to drive near as much as before. Pretty soon, rather than getting expensed for miles for work, might have to switch to renting cars and expensing that and the fuel. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Gorda, CA. Highest prices I can find right now. > > https://www.ksbw.com/article/gas-prices-in-gorda-hit-dollar759/39341899 > > $8.49 9/10 for premium. > > Coming to a city near you. > > Wish I had the equipment and parts to rebuild Mercedes diesel injection > pumps. There will be a ton of cars for sale cheap when they get destroyed by > morons. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Good point, Kaleb. Mitch, what’s the IRS reimbursement for mileage these days? -D > On Mar 6, 2022, at 8:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > One thing folks have not mentioned yet. Last time fuel prices exploded the > demand was much higher. With the Covid bs going on, we have now moved to more > remote work so a lot of folks don’t have to drive near as much as before. > > Pretty soon, rather than getting expensed for miles for work, might have to > switch to renting cars and expensing that and the fuel. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Gorda, CA. Highest prices I can find right now. >> >> https://www.ksbw.com/article/gas-prices-in-gorda-hit-dollar759/39341899 >> >> $8.49 9/10 for premium. >> >> Coming to a city near you. >> >> Wish I had the equipment and parts to rebuild Mercedes diesel injection >> pumps. There will be a ton of cars for sale cheap when they get destroyed by >> morons. >> >> >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Looks like 58.5 cents per mile for business. https://www.irs.gov/tax-professionals/standard-mileage-rates On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, at 8:42 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Good point, Kaleb. Mitch, what’s the IRS reimbursement for mileage these days? > > -D > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 8:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> One thing folks have not mentioned yet. Last time fuel prices exploded the >> demand was much higher. With the Covid bs going on, we have now moved to >> more remote work so a lot of folks don’t have to drive near as much as >> before. >> >> Pretty soon, rather than getting expensed for miles for work, might have to >> switch to renting cars and expensing that and the fuel. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Gorda, CA. Highest prices I can find right now. >>> >>> https://www.ksbw.com/article/gas-prices-in-gorda-hit-dollar759/39341899 >>> >>> $8.49 9/10 for premium. >>> >>> Coming to a city near you. >>> >>> Wish I had the equipment and parts to rebuild Mercedes diesel injection >>> pumps. There will be a ton of cars for sale cheap when they get destroyed >>> by morons. >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Yeah. That coupe is still there. On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 2:15 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Not a surprise, since Gorda is just south of Big Sur and there’s literally > nothing in the way of infrastructure anywhere near. I’m sure the prices are > close to this all along that part of the coast as well as on the Lost Coast > (northern CA near the OR border.) > > They were at or near $4.00/gallon for regular unleaded in Flagstaff > yesterday. All of their fuel gets trucked in from PHX, two hours to the > south. I’m heading back in a few weeks, I’m sure it will be much higher > then. Thank goodness I work from home and everywhere else I go is within a > couple miles of the house. > > Time to go V12 shopping! > > -D > > > On Mar 6, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Gorda, CA. Highest prices I can find right now. > > > > https://www.ksbw.com/article/gas-prices-in-gorda-hit-dollar759/39341899 > > > > $8.49 9/10 for premium. > > > > Coming to a city near you. > > > > Wish I had the equipment and parts to rebuild Mercedes diesel injection > pumps. There will be a ton of cars for sale cheap when they get destroyed > by morons. > > > > > > Rick > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices
Currently we receive .575 per mile on expense reports. Since being acquired last year we have not moved to their expense reporting system but I have heard their rate is something like .40 or .42 per mile. Hopefully I heard wrong. On 3/6/2022 7:42 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Good point, Kaleb. Mitch, what’s the IRS reimbursement for mileage these days? -D On Mar 6, 2022, at 8:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: One thing folks have not mentioned yet. Last time fuel prices exploded the demand was much higher. With the Covid bs going on, we have now moved to more remote work so a lot of folks don’t have to drive near as much as before. Pretty soon, rather than getting expensed for miles for work, might have to switch to renting cars and expensing that and the fuel. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Gorda, CA. Highest prices I can find right now. https://www.ksbw.com/article/gas-prices-in-gorda-hit-dollar759/39341899 $8.49 9/10 for premium. Coming to a city near you. Wish I had the equipment and parts to rebuild Mercedes diesel injection pumps. There will be a ton of cars for sale cheap when they get destroyed by morons. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
