[MBZ] OT: A little game

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Let's play "Where is Curt this time?"
First hint:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HJWDHrERCg4wiYL77
It's my second work trip since Feb 2020 and the first that was actually 
planned. A hint might be that I've never been here before but there are an 
awful lot of places I could say that about.
Now that I think of it I probably told Fred and Dwight about it a couple weeks 
ago. We'll see if they remember.

Curt
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[MBZ] 2008 E350 - 185k miles - $5,100

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Check for rust and the meaning of those caution lights on the dash.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/lombard-2008-mercedes-benz-350/7669290130.html
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[MBZ] 1990 190E - 178k miles - $2,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Probably not an unfair ask if it's a runner and not rusty. Interior doesn't 
look too bad. Paint might clean up OK, being black.

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1990-mercedes-benz/7669389084.html
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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the 300SD

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Attaboy!!
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> On Sep 23, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The last couple of days I have been working on the master cylinder
> reservoir. I was able to remove it and clean it up by pouring 70%
> isopropyl alcohol into it and shaking it, followed by repeating the
> process with 91% isopropyl alcohol.
> 
> Cleaning was somewhat difficult because the volume of the reservoir is
> divided into four internal compartments, which are connected by small
> holes in the walls near the top of the reservoir -- the forward
> compartment (for the rear brakes) has a small hole at the very top of
> the reservoir which connects to the fill hole right under the cap by
> a "bump" on top of the reservoir.
> 
> The pictures attached are an attempt to show the before and after
> conditions without sending many pictures.
> 
> I used a Stanley Wonderbar to remove the reservoir from the master
> cylinder. After replacing the master cylinder's grommets (which did
> not seem all that bad), I moistened the reservoir's short "pipes" and
> the grommets with a little brake fluid and started to put the reservoir
> back on the master cylinder. This required a little (careful) persuasion
> with a rubber mallet and a short piece of 2x4 ...
> 
> I would have done a little better job cleaning the reservoir if I could
> have found in the Big Room the package of acid brushes I saw a couple of
> weeks ago and put somewhere I could find them.
> 
> In the process of reinstalling the reservoir, I also misplaced one of the
> new button caps for the tops of the level float shafts (the old ones are
> hard as rocks).
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yes main battery is the first thing to check. These newer cars are EXTREMELY 
sensitive to battery voltage. Next (or maybe first since it’s easy) thing is 
check the key battery. 

--FT
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> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The first thought is the battery. EIS likely locks the steering column with 
> a solenoid, so no power, no unlock. The battery could have enough juice to 
> run the radio but not the rest of the car. Once voltage falls below a certain 
> point stuff either gets wonky or just doesn’t work.
> 
> Good luck, let us know how it goes.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:23 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Fairly new to us 2013 Mercedes C300.  Son purchased a couple of months ago.  
>> About 150,000 miles on it. 
>> Not sure why but it will not turn over.  He parked it at the mall and when 
>> he came out it would not fire up.  Steering wheel is in lock position and 
>> turned to the far right and does not unlock when key is turned.  Is the 
>> steering lock supposed to release with key or when the car starts?  The key 
>> turns all the way in the ignition but there is zero response, no clicks or 
>> sounds.   The battery seems to be working as the radio works normally. 
>> Any thoughts about what we might check or trouble shoot before we call the 
>> tow truck?
>> Thanks, Mike
>> 
>> 
>> Michael E. Esh
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

The first thought is the battery. EIS likely locks the steering column with a 
solenoid, so no power, no unlock. The battery could have enough juice to run 
the radio but not the rest of the car. Once voltage falls below a certain point 
stuff either gets wonky or just doesn’t work.

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

-D

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:23 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Fairly new to us 2013 Mercedes C300.  Son purchased a couple of months ago.  
> About 150,000 miles on it. 
> Not sure why but it will not turn over.  He parked it at the mall and when he 
> came out it would not fire up.  Steering wheel is in lock position and turned 
> to the far right and does not unlock when key is turned.  Is the steering 
> lock supposed to release with key or when the car starts?  The key turns all 
> the way in the ignition but there is zero response, no clicks or sounds.   
> The battery seems to be working as the radio works normally. 
> Any thoughts about what we might check or trouble shoot before we call the 
> tow truck?
> Thanks, Mike
> 
> 
> Michael E. Esh
> 
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[MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Fairly new to us 2013 Mercedes C300.  Son purchased a couple of months ago.  
About 150,000 miles on it. 
Not sure why but it will not turn over.  He parked it at the mall and when he 
came out it would not fire up.  Steering wheel is in lock position and turned 
to the far right and does not unlock when key is turned.  Is the steering lock 
supposed to release with key or when the car starts?  The key turns all the way 
in the ignition but there is zero response, no clicks or sounds.   The battery 
seems to be working as the radio works normally. 
Any thoughts about what we might check or trouble shoot before we call the tow 
truck?
Thanks, Mike


Michael E. Esh


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Re: [MBZ] 2003 SL500 - 58k miles - $18,000

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> You take a cylinder off that has a flexible hose that goes back to the pump. 
> You have to get the whole hose out of the car to get the cylinder out.
> With hard lines, there would be a fitting at the cylinder you would unscrew 
> and the cylinder comes right out.

Separate axes.  Hard or flexible, a line _could_ be made with a collar fitting.
For brakes, the flexible lines screw in directly.  But, they _could_ be made to
have collars that came apart without bodily unscrewing the whole flexible line,
like LP flexible lines do, and I believe like the flexible lines on my Unimog's
HIAB crane.  (And like hard brake lines.)

It's an engineering choice, and not inherent.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 2003 SL500 - 58k miles - $18,000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Because it’s easier to route them around stuff and run them through tight 
places where you couldn’t “thread” a hard line.

Think about this:

You take a cylinder off that has a flexible hose that goes back to the pump. 
You have to get the whole hose out of the car to get the cylinder out.

With hard lines, there would be a fitting at the cylinder you would unscrew and 
the cylinder comes right out.

-D

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Wait, flex hoses make it worse? How is that possible?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 08:14:29 PM GMT+3, dan penoff.com via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I didn’t look at this, but I can tell you that R’ing cylinders on the later 
> SLs (R170, etc.) is not a fun job. On the R129 removing all of the cylinders 
> and locks takes a good 8-hour day.
> 
> In the later models, they went to flexible hoses between a lot of the 
> components rather than hard lines, like in the R129. As a result, you have to 
> remove the better part of the rear compartment paneling which is a challenge.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 1:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> "Needs two hydraulic cylinder’s for convertible top to operate as intended."
>> 
>> Is that not quite a glossing over of a complicated expensive job?
>> 
>> With that and despite the miles, with the rebuilt title and butchered 
>> suspension, I don't see the justification for the price. Good color and 
>> looks nice, although the wheels are a tad too much IMO.
>> 
>> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksboro-2003-mercedez-benz-sl500/7669155671.html
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - You Can't Get More 70s/80s Than This

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Depends which tractor, my Super M, you're right. Well, mostly anyway, there are 
a couple big beams bolted to the engine as reinforcements but most of the 
strength is the engine itself.

My 1928 Farmall Regular has 2 big old I beams that the engine and transmission 
are bolted to.

-Curt


On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 08:44:16 PM GMT+3, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





> My Farmall has a loop in the fuel line.

Last thing you want is a work-hardened (from vibration) fuel line
from a gravity-fed tank _above_ the engine to let loose...

> That 4cyl engine is pretty smooth but hard mounted to the frame...

iIRC, in that era the engine IS the frame!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 2023 concours d'lemons

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I agree.  The Concours d'Lemons has been upscaled.

On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 12:48 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is it me, or does that seem like a really fancy Lemons? The ones I’ve been
> to are a lot more, uh, shall we say, casual? There were some pretty fancy
> cars there.
>
> I have a friend and coworker who used to participate in these, and they
> were a blast!
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 23, 2023, at 12:40 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Delighted to see that, as usual, Citroëns swept the "Worst in Show" and
> > "Unmitigated Gaul" categories!
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >
> >
> https://24hoursoflemons.com/2023-california-concours-dlemons-photos-winners/
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Re: [MBZ] OT - You Can't Get More 70s/80s Than This

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> My Farmall has a loop in the fuel line.

Last thing you want is a work-hardened (from vibration) fuel line
from a gravity-fed tank _above_ the engine to let loose...

> That 4cyl engine is pretty smooth but hard mounted to the frame...

iIRC, in that era the engine IS the frame!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - You Can't Get More 70s/80s Than This

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've seen that on lots of vehicles and never thought about it. Possibly a 
throwback to older times?

My Farmall has a loop in the fuel line. That line is copper and makes about a 
6" 360 just after the tank. I'm told that if you don't do that the vibrations 
will break the tubing in short order. That 4cyl engine is pretty smooth but 
hard mounted to the frame...

-Curt


On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 08:27:27 PM GMT+3, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote: 





That’s how it was done on American cars. My suburban is that way and I think my 
truck also. 

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> On Sep 23, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I noticed that on the photo of the engine bay, the brake lines from the 
> master cylinder are both coiled up like they are too long. Did the factory 
> just not cut the lines to the proper length, or are they not original, or was 
> that done intentionally to absorb vibration/reduce strain at the connections?
> 
> That's quite similar to the car I learned to drive in, which was an early 
> 1980's Buick Regal.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, at 11:49, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Or can you?
>> 
>> 
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>> 1979 buick lesabre for sale by owner - Hudson, FL - 
>> craigslist
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>> 
>> It’s actualy pretty cool, I think, and the price doesn’t seem bad 
>> considering the miles and condition.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 SL500 - 58k miles - $18,000

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Wait, flex hoses make it worse? How is that possible?

-Curt




On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 08:14:29 PM GMT+3, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes  wrote: 





I didn’t look at this, but I can tell you that R’ing cylinders on the later 
SLs (R170, etc.) is not a fun job. On the R129 removing all of the cylinders 
and locks takes a good 8-hour day.

In the later models, they went to flexible hoses between a lot of the 
components rather than hard lines, like in the R129. As a result, you have to 
remove the better part of the rear compartment paneling which is a challenge.

-D

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 1:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "Needs two hydraulic cylinder’s for convertible top to operate as intended."
> 
> Is that not quite a glossing over of a complicated expensive job?
> 
> With that and despite the miles, with the rebuilt title and butchered 
> suspension, I don't see the justification for the price. Good color and looks 
> nice, although the wheels are a tad too much IMO.
> 
> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksboro-2003-mercedez-benz-sl500/7669155671.html
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - You Can't Get More 70s/80s Than This

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s how it was done on American cars. My suburban is that way and I think my 
truck also. 

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> On Sep 23, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I noticed that on the photo of the engine bay, the brake lines from the 
> master cylinder are both coiled up like they are too long. Did the factory 
> just not cut the lines to the proper length, or are they not original, or was 
> that done intentionally to absorb vibration/reduce strain at the connections?
> 
> That's quite similar to the car I learned to drive in, which was an early 
> 1980's Buick Regal.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, at 11:49, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Or can you?
>> 
>> 
>> [00p0p_grOGVVJONJL_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>> 1979 buick lesabre for sale by owner - Hudson, FL - 
>> craigslist
>> tampa.craigslist.org
>> 
>> It’s actualy pretty cool, I think, and the price doesn’t seem bad 
>> considering the miles and condition.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - You Can't Get More 70s/80s Than This

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

T

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> On Sep 23, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I noticed that on the photo of the engine bay, the brake lines from the 
> master cylinder are both coiled up like they are too long. Did the factory 
> just not cut the lines to the proper length, or are they not original, or was 
> that done intentionally to absorb vibration/reduce strain at the connections?
> 
> That's quite similar to the car I learned to drive in, which was an early 
> 1980's Buick Regal.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, at 11:49, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Or can you?
>> 
>> 
>> [00p0p_grOGVVJONJL_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>> 1979 buick lesabre for sale by owner - Hudson, FL - 
>> craigslist
>> tampa.craigslist.org
>> 
>> It’s actualy pretty cool, I think, and the price doesn’t seem bad 
>> considering the miles and condition.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 SL500 - 58k miles - $18,000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I didn’t look at this, but I can tell you that R’ing cylinders on the later 
SLs (R170, etc.) is not a fun job. On the R129 removing all of the cylinders 
and locks takes a good 8-hour day.

In the later models, they went to flexible hoses between a lot of the 
components rather than hard lines, like in the R129. As a result, you have to 
remove the better part of the rear compartment paneling which is a challenge.

-D

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 1:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "Needs two hydraulic cylinder’s for convertible top to operate as intended."
> 
> Is that not quite a glossing over of a complicated expensive job?
> 
> With that and despite the miles, with the rebuilt title and butchered 
> suspension, I don't see the justification for the price. Good color and looks 
> nice, although the wheels are a tad too much IMO.
> 
> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksboro-2003-mercedez-benz-sl500/7669155671.html
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - You Can't Get More 70s/80s Than This

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I noticed that on the photo of the engine bay, the brake lines from the master 
cylinder are both coiled up like they are too long. Did the factory just not 
cut the lines to the proper length, or are they not original, or was that done 
intentionally to absorb vibration/reduce strain at the connections?

That's quite similar to the car I learned to drive in, which was an early 
1980's Buick Regal.


On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, at 11:49, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Or can you?
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> It’s actualy pretty cool, I think, and the price doesn’t seem bad 
> considering the miles and condition.
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[MBZ] 2003 SL500 - 58k miles - $18,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Needs two hydraulic cylinder’s for convertible top to operate as intended."

Is that not quite a glossing over of a complicated expensive job?

With that and despite the miles, with the rebuilt title and butchered 
suspension, I don't see the justification for the price. Good color and looks 
nice, although the wheels are a tad too much IMO.

https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksboro-2003-mercedez-benz-sl500/7669155671.html




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[MBZ] 2001 E320 - 152k miles - $3,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Should have some life left at that mileage, price is too high though. Having 
needed that amount of work seems unusual for a W210? Maybe it's a lemon.

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/fairview-heights-2001-mercedes-e320/7669131552.html
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[MBZ] OT - You Can't Get More 70s/80s Than This

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Or can you?


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It’s actualy pretty cool, I think, and the price doesn’t seem bad considering 
the miles and condition.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] 2023 concours d'lemons

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Is it me, or does that seem like a really fancy Lemons? The ones I’ve been to 
are a lot more, uh, shall we say, casual? There were some pretty fancy cars 
there.

I have a friend and coworker who used to participate in these, and they were a 
blast!

-D

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 12:40 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
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> Delighted to see that, as usual, Citroëns swept the "Worst in Show" and
> "Unmitigated Gaul" categories!
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Re: [MBZ] 2023 concours d'lemons

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Delighted to see that, as usual, Citroëns swept the "Worst in Show" and
"Unmitigated Gaul" categories!

On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

https://24hoursoflemons.com/2023-california-concours-dlemons-photos-winners/
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Re: [MBZ] Actual fuel economy on a 2014 E250 BlueTEC

[MG via Mercedes]

That is my thought because I have gotten 30.2 mpg 
overall on the 2020 6cyl Tacoma several times for 
a 100 mile trip that includes city traffic at one 
end for over 20 miles. Not very believable when 
the actual calculated overall mileage since new is 
24.96 taking into account all the driving and gas 
put in while the computer shows something around 
26. Our driving with it is 80% highway and 20 in city.


Manfred

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On 19/09/2023 9:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

No lying.

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Interesting but relying upon the computer to calculate mileage likely is 
not quite so accurate as the old way where you do the manual calculations.


Randy


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