Re: [MBZ] Parts wagon was Diagnosing 123 300TD bounciness (wagon)
Where is it - I want to buy it. Mike On 12/12/06, Ralph W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, if anyone has a 1981 - 1985 W123 parts car (preferably a wagon) with a palomino interior he's looking for a decent front seats. Andrew, It's funny you should mention that. I've just decided to part out my mint red '82 wagon due to a frontal collision. Southern car, no rust, palamino interior. Good leather drivers seat. Rear seats and third row seat is MB Tex in good condition. I also have a trailer hitch and nice crossbars on the car for sale. Make an offer. Ralph W. '83 300CD '82 300TD (Two Parts wagons) '90 300D '01 E320 Wagon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Okie Benz trip (what did who break?)
I understood, so it works in TN. Mike On 12/11/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damage to my wallet from paying for the items my wife picked out - must be an Okie saying --- Seeing no one else has spoken up.Damage at the Will Rogers museum? Details...How, what, why, huh? Mike -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diagnosing 123 300TD bounciness (wagon)
Needs new nitrogen spheres - they rupture and cause exactly what you describe. Mike On 12/12/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friend in Atlanta has a ride/suspension problem with his 1985 300TD station wagon. The car bounces on rough roads but nothing dampens the oscillation so the bounciness persists way too long. Ordinarily this might be diagnosed as worn out shocks but the problem seems to be in the REAR and the car has a hydraulic suspension with struts and air cells in lieu of conventional rear shocks and springs. Is there some adjustable part in the rear suspension that controls ride firmness? Or could it need new air cells? The struts are not leaking so they're OK. BTW, if anyone has a 1981 - 1985 W123 parts car (preferably a wagon) with a palomino interior he's looking for a decent front seats. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice 140 in Oklahoma item # 130054458553
I'd say a 97-99 is preferable for the electronic 5 speed tranny - with almost no price difference between a 96 ad a 97, I'd say skip this one, although a nice LWB 320 can be hard to find. My mom has a 99 in that color combo, great car, except its too easy to get going at 90+ and not realize it! Mike On 12/11/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty Nice 140 on Ebay in Enid, OK. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=003sspagena me=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITviewitem=item=130054458553rd=1,1
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
On 12/8/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/06 5:59 PM, Michael Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is quite an authority on Iacocca-ero Mopars and vintage Volvos. Iacocca-era Mopars? Like the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, or the K-Car's? Am I missing something - who would WANT to be an expert on those? Google Dodge Spirit R/T. Again, who would want to be an authority on Dodge Sprints, turbo or not? Relatively unknown Taurus SHO killer, made only for two years and in small numbers. Special turbocharger setup and reworked head by Lotus, suspension by Carroll Shelby. Velly nice kah. Okay, that's the high-end supermarket ice cream store flavour. Stern has the Ben Jerry's one, an actual Mexican Highway Patrol version that was way beyond the R/T. The cops loved them better than anything before or since. Rare as geese in Nevada. Maybe only two or three in the U.S. (technically not legal). No way - not a REAL MEXICAN HIGHWAY PATROL CAR! If that bores you, Google the videos of slightly massaged Plymouth Voyager Turbos beating everything else into the ground at drag strips. Yawn, still bored of 80's Chrysler products. Though Chrysler turned out some pretty sad stuff back then, there were small glimmers of hope here and there. Actually I currently own a '94 Dodge Grand Caravan beater that I acquired for the princely sum of $300 and whose virtues I will defend against all who want to step up to the plate. For what it is, I think it's PDG. Congrats - I bet the women go crazy when you pull into the daycare and you can fit 6 car seats. I can argue the merits of my 300CD all day too, but at the end of the day, its just a solid old car. Mac Closet Mopar Guy since the 1970s (loved them Gran Furys) Nothing against Mopar or Chrysler, but the 80's were sad - might have been profitable, but I mean, come on... Mike
Re: [MBZ] Update Re: Red dash light for Battery is staying on
Nope, def'n a loose belt. Go ahead and replace all the belts on the car, and while you're at it, any rubber hoses or other components. Then and only then will the light go out. Except you may also need new injectors, and a headlight switch. But first change the belts. Or - just change the alternator, including voltage regulator. Mike On 12/6/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad diode in alternator. At 06:10 PM 12/6/2006, you wrote: Thanks to all for your input. I just checked a few more things. Battery takes a charge with charger. Car starts with good battery. Light goes off when car starts. Light comes on when car is shut off. Voltage at battery cables with car running and unhooked from battery is 11.1 at idle to 12.2 when revved up with no lights or fans on. Other facts: Light goes out when I disconnect the alternator. I put a new Regulator in about a month ago. Thanks again for any other thoughts. Mike in Michigan - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Red dash light for Battery is staying on i suspect the electrical part in your ignition switch. There may be some ice inside so the swith doesn't work. The charging light gets fed 12V from the switch to one side and ground (I wire) through the field windings on the other. Key on - the lamp lights. When the Alternator is producing output, the windings become forward 12V and the light goes ot since the lamp now has 12V at both sides. On a swith that doesn't work, with the key on or off the light stays where the switch failed. With the car running and the alternator 'alternatering', the light will go off, irregardless of the swith. On 12/5/06, MICHAEL ESH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just went out to start my 1981 300sd and the battery was stone cold dead. It started fine two days ago. I put a charger on and walked out 15 minutes ago and red battery indicator light is on. It stays on with key in the off or on position. In addition the glow light did not come on when I tried starting it. It is about 20 digress F out there tonight. I did not start. I am going out to try it again.Any ideas? Thanks, Mike in Michigan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update Re: Red dash light for Battery is staying on
On 12/7/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lamp gets ground from the I wire only, and only when the alternator charges. Incorrect, which is why your ign. switch idea is incorrect. As put by Peter Federick The alternator light is the indicator in a voltage balance circuit -- it says there is current flowing through the alternator winding, not balanced by output. The circuit is usually not directional, so current flow from the battery to the alternator will cause it to come on (not chargine), but so will current flow from a short. It's def'n the alternator. Mike
Re: [MBZ] 1993 400SEL
They're more related to the early production 140's. I've yet to see a rusty 140. As in, any rust. I don't see a ton of northern ones, but my mom's spent the first part of its life in PA and has no rust. Unless the car is a real steal (under 10k), which low mileage ones never are, AND has records documenting lots of work, I'd look for a 97-99 S320 if you want to get into the 140's and don't want to spend a ton on upkeep. Very nice ones with 60-90k can be bought for 13-15k - you didn't mention the asking price of the 400, but I'd guess its close to that range. With the supurb 5 speed tranny and excellent M104 I-6, its just a better car IMHO. Mike On 12/7/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Sunil- Are these problems related to high mileage? Also this one is a southern rust free beauty. Dwight -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 3:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1993 400SEL If that's the 140 chassis, same problem as the 350SDL (minus the rodbending issue) - expensive electrical fixes, evaporator issues, etc. On 12/7/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wondering what the pros and cons of one of these are? Any worries? Has anybody had one? Friend found one with 65K.. TIA. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
On 12/7/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is quite an authority on Iacocca-ero Mopars and vintage Volvos. Iacocca-era Mopars? Like the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, or the K-Car's? Am I missing something - who would WANT to be an expert on those? Mike
Re: [MBZ] Red dash light for Battery is staying on
Move south, its warmer there. Red Batt light indicates a faulty charging system, probably a voltage regulator. You say the car hasn't been started yet, so LT's 1 2 don't apply, I'd guess you have a voltage leak through the voltage regulator. Glow system is voltage dependent - if the car won't turn over, you don't have enough volts. The leak through the reg is probably causing your battery to charge very little, and probably damaging the alternator. good luck Mike On 12/5/06, MICHAEL ESH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just went out to start my 1981 300sd and the battery was stone cold dead. It started fine two days ago. I put a charger on and walked out 15 minutes ago and red battery indicator light is on. It stays on with key in the off or on position. In addition the glow light did not come on when I tried starting it. It is about 20 digress F out there tonight. I did not start. I am going out to try it again.Any ideas? Thanks, Mike in Michigan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Red dash light for Battery is staying on
This light is on, the car is not. Can't be a loose belt. Mike On 12/5/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree -- I had my car definitely NOT start after having the lose belt, because the battery didn't have enough juice in it. On 12/5/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Move south, its warmer there. Red Batt light indicates a faulty charging system, probably a voltage regulator. You say the car hasn't been started yet, so LT's 1 2 don't apply, I'd guess you have a voltage leak through the voltage regulator. Glow system is voltage dependent - if the car won't turn over, you don't have enough volts. The leak through the reg is probably causing your battery to charge very little, and probably damaging the alternator. good luck Mike On 12/5/06, MICHAEL ESH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just went out to start my 1981 300sd and the battery was stone cold dead. It started fine two days ago. I put a charger on and walked out 15 minutes ago and red battery indicator light is on. It stays on with key in the off or on position. In addition the glow light did not come on when I tried starting it. It is about 20 digress F out there tonight. I did not start. I am going out to try it again.Any ideas? Thanks, Mike in Michigan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ummmmmm, Okkkkkkkk
Are those 4 stripper pistons? On 12/5/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I for one am glad the price has finally come down on those! I hope they're not Katrina damaged! Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Red dash light for Battery is staying on
You missed the part where the engine and ignition were off, and the light was on. Thats why your diagnosis was off. I doubt a loose belt will cause the battery light to come on when the car isn't running. Quit taking everything as a personal attack and read the post. Mike On 12/5/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1975 to retirement in 1995, my military specialty/job was in electronics / elec engineering / computers. Therefore ipso facto I am clueless as to how electrons are made and what makes them stop. I think that is called sarcasm, Kleb. In other words, I'd still first look for a slipping belt before buying a new alternator, because that was a problem I had last winter: belt loose, alternator doesn't turn right, battery doesn't charge, you can't start suddenly. On 12/5/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: huh? LT Don wrote: Ok. I shall disregard my military specialty in electronics. I am sure you guys are correct. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Red dash light for Battery is staying on
You weren't hallucinating Kaleb, the military (not just LT, but the WHOLE MILITARY), using their experience with electronics, actually made it LOOK like the alternator was bad when really, it was just a slipping belt. They had had an elaborate scheme where by you were supposed to ignore the loose belt and then the car would leave you stranded in a less than friendly neighborhood, where you would be shot and killed by locals. This would wipe the eliminate any culpability the military had in your death. Somehow, you escaped their vile plan, but you have been warned - they're coming after you! Mike On 12/6/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would a slipping belt have any effect on the car when the engine is not running? I yield to your vast military experience on that one. He said the light stays on when the key is turned off and the engine is not running. I guess its a slipping belt. Every time I have had that happen to me the alternator was screwed. I must have been hallucinating. LT Don wrote: 1975 to retirement in 1995, my military specialty/job was in electronics / elec engineering / computers. Therefore ipso facto I am clueless as to how electrons are made and what makes them stop. I think that is called sarcasm, Kleb. In other words, I'd still first look for a slipping belt before buying a new alternator, because that was a problem I had last winter: belt loose, alternator doesn't turn right, battery doesn't charge, you can't start suddenly. On 12/5/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: huh? LT Don wrote: Ok. I shall disregard my military specialty in electronics. I am sure you guys are correct. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a 5 speed Getrag?
If its a 16V tranny, I call dibs - look it up and let me know what its worth to you. I assume it works, right? Mike On 12/4/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its from a MB, otherwise I would not have it. Tyler Backman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is it from a mercedes? Does it have an integrated or separate bell- housing? Dog leg first gear? 1:1 5th gear? BMW getrags that will only bolt to BMW engines are a dime a dozen Tyler On Dec 4, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have one. Not sure what to do with it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD4DBQFFdMsrt178NxI/higRAtMjAJ4xsJX78Y/sGLORPHvHni2A7MDeBACYlVoA YEy4vzJVHvgUl1Y3opRs+g== =pLFB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a 5 speed Getrag?
We have an 87 300D we put the 5 speed from an 87 300E into to. Works great so far. Mike On 12/5/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this has been discussed before... but will these work in an '87 300D? If not, what manual trannies will? (Considering power and torque output, and also appropriate gear ratios for comfortable highway cruising...) What kind of 5-speed was used in the six-cylinder R129? That engine made more HP and about equal torque to a stock 603, IIRC. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blue Oval [was: Re: Decent US Car]
Can you explain this/ tell me where you read/ heard it? The implication is that their debts would be greater than their assets, in which case, why would anyone loan them more than their worth? Isn't that the point of collateral, offer something up with value equal to the loan? I'm not doubting you, I'm merely curious! Mike On 12/3/06, Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Additional note most news wire left out: After the loan is finalized , Ford's stock will have a negative value. How much was not mention good stock to look at when the problems are nearly over ... Bill 1981 300 TD tom savage wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: I didn't see anything about this. Please explain. (I do know what you mean by the Blue Oval, it's the mortgaging the rights I'm curious about.) New CEO Alan Mullaly has put nearly all of Ford's assets up as collateral to finance its Way Forward turnaround program. Among them are the rights to the Blue Oval trademark. This week, Ford had to mortgage virtually all its most valuable assets — including its factories, the Swedish automaker Volvo and even its blue oval trademark — to guarantee $18 billion in loans that will pay for its turnaround efforts. From: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/02/business/02motors.html Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder
You got a part number for those? I think my car needs them replaced. Mike On 11/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are supposed to be there. They help swirl the fuel. Christopher McCann wrote: When I helped my friend do the head gasket on his mother in laws 84 300SD, in each cylinder were a few little metal-looking balls. Not perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a single dimple. What on earth could those have been? Thanks, Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke -1985 300SD, 217K, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K, little blue klatter box -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder
I STILL need the part number and torque specifications for the swirl balls. Anyone know where to get a deal on headlight fluid? Mike On 11/29/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are covered in the special bulletin along with the muffler bearings and headlight fluid capacities. Mike - Original Message - From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder You got a part number for those? I think my car needs them replaced. Mike On 11/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are supposed to be there. They help swirl the fuel. Christopher McCann wrote: When I helped my friend do the head gasket on his mother in laws 84 300SD, in each cylinder were a few little metal-looking balls. Not perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a single dimple. What on earth could those have been? Thanks, Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke -1985 300SD, 217K, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K, little blue klatter box -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking at a W140 Today
Well you should probably know that a 91 350SDL is a 126 chassis. 3800 is below market value if the the engine has actually been rebuilt well. Mike On 11/27/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .Saw a 91 350SDL in the paper yesterday for $3800 - I plan to call about it this morning - I halfway expect it to be sold - it says it has a recent rebuilt eng trans - but I'll call anyway, What questions I should ask - I know what to ask about most used cars but the W140 diesel is the Holy Grail of MBs to me? Anything specific to the W140 I need to know? TIA -
[MBZ] 123 Dash
Anyone have a source for a NEW 123 dash? We have a customer who wants to put a new one in his 1980 300D - he didn't flinch at the $8xx dealer price, but they say none are available in the US or Germany! That can't be right, can it? If no new ones are available, he would consider a used one in like-new condition. TIA, Mike
Re: [MBZ] DC mechanic
I thinks its http://www.rc-imports.com/ Mike On 11/6/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RC Imports in Rockville, MD. 301 762-4205. Ask for Rick and tell him I sent you. http://www.rcimports.com On 11/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay there is supposed to be a real good guy in the area. I heard folks recommend him when I was looking at a 240D down there. I will try to find out, but my memory is short. Migh want to try the shop forum they have a section in there on good shops by region too, http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/index.php scroll down to good mb shops. Go to District of Columbia area all kinds of input. Clay ell me about your 1972 220D, gumper. I am looking at a 1970 220D as well please. Never owned a 115 only 123s Tom - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [MBZ] DC mechanic Need mechanic in DC for an old 240D. Anybody have good place to take a 76 to get a look at and made strong enough for a trip to Central America? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
OMG I'm such a moron, I can't believe I missed that. Mike On 11/4/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OK, well my calculations show that since the headlight was missing that increased the hp by 1.126 Michael Hall wrote: Yeah, but I watched the episode and back calculated, by the resonant frequency attained at the peak in the power band as it corresponded with the highest amplitude wave pattern generated by the turbo and factoring an appropriate depreciative value of the transmission [which I calculated during the episode in which they used veggie oil as a fuel] that the ACTUAL HP figure that THAT PARTICULAR engine is ~120hp. EAT IT UP, Mike On 11/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, those are 121hp, you are wrong :) Michael Hall wrote: More specifically, it was was 81-85 300SD with the turbo 617 with ~120hp -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
http://www.mercedes-damien.com/historique/amg%20sous%20menu/AMG%20W123/amg%20w123.htm http://www.amg-classics.de/6601.html is the guide i have [had] somewhere in pdf. The didn't really get much extra hp out of the 110 - wonder if the thread starting car has AMG engine mods - if the valve cover gasket and intake are any indication, no. But it does have a 5 speed. There was a 230CE on eBay a while back with a ticking motor, I kept trying to buy it for the wheels and body kit, but we couldn't come to an agreement on the price. Mike On 11/2/06, Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike is 100% correct here. I have the literature to document this from AMG back in the day. Also, AMG did have a North American operation which closed down in the early 1990s. AMG also would sell body panels for folks to have installed themselves. WRT the m110, where this discussion began, AMG did modify that motor. Literature I have shows they were tuning it to 225 hp (DIN) which would translate to roughly 250hp (SAE) at the crank. Also, if there is further doubt, currently in the shop I have one AMG 560sec, SOHC, 6.0L modified by AMG mid-west in Chicago and a venerable 560sel 32V Hammer, likely modified out of Chicago (research still pending). Both are North American spec machines and not grey market examples. Mathieu On Nov 2, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote: I disagree - there were cars assembled by AMG, in addition the cars put together at other places. AMG certainly put together some cars; they raced them for sure! a W109 300SE 6.8 is the car that put them on the Map, so to speak. One of many articles available about it online; http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/9323/w109amg.htm Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could buy spare parts, spoilers, wheels side skirts, etc from AMG in the 80's, but AMG was not affiliated with Mercedes at that time and didn't assemble these cars. You bought the parts and had it done yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5- spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
Yeah, but I watched the episode and back calculated, by the resonant frequency attained at the peak in the power band as it corresponded with the highest amplitude wave pattern generated by the turbo and factoring an appropriate depreciative value of the transmission [which I calculated during the episode in which they used veggie oil as a fuel] that the ACTUAL HP figure that THAT PARTICULAR engine is ~120hp. EAT IT UP, Mike On 11/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, those are 121hp, you are wrong :) Michael Hall wrote: More specifically, it was was 81-85 300SD with the turbo 617 with ~120hp -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rare AMG W123
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
Right, well no one said this car had engine enhancements, but a Euro spec M110 with a 5 speed should be a fun drive! I'm pretty sure AMG stuck the 5 liter version of their DOHC Hammer motor in a 123 coupe. It was probably a one-off, like most AMG offerings of the time; I saw a picture of one banging around a track, particularly menacing with its dual exhausts. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Body kits yes. Engines enhancements no. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
I disagree - there were cars assembled by AMG, in addition the cars put together at other places. AMG certainly put together some cars; they raced them for sure! a W109 300SE 6.8 is the car that put them on the Map, so to speak. One of many articles available about it online; http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/9323/w109amg.htm Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could buy spare parts, spoilers, wheels side skirts, etc from AMG in the 80's, but AMG was not affiliated with Mercedes at that time and didn't assemble these cars. You bought the parts and had it done yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This?
Sorry, but you do not have permission to use this feature. If you are not logged in, you may do so using the form below if available. On 10/30/06, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mbfanatics.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=701 Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
More specifically, it was was 81-85 300SD with the turbo 617 with ~120hp On 10/31/06, Dave Wakin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They used a 126 300SD to run on cooking oil awhile back, would guess they used the same car. Dave Wakin - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:25 AM Subject: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode Another list (sound system related) is discussing a mythbusters episode that used a Mercedes diesel to determine if a car could be destroy by a subwoofer. I guess they used the driveshaft to operate a cam. I don't trust any of the folks on _that_ list to identify the car. Since the discussion includes the horsepower needed to reach a particular dB SPL, I figured I could sort them out - but only if I can figure out which car/which engine. Any of you seen this episode? Can you tell me which car they cut up for the project? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Ultra Low sulfur Diesel
It is my understanding is that it is mostly lawyer talk to cover themselves in the case of problems or even PERCEIVED problems that a switch to ULSD would cause during the US switch. This is based on a similiar experiance with a switch in Europe. At first, the techniques which had been used to remove the sulfer were also removing or modifying lubricty agents in the fuel - this problem was promptly discovered, and has been solved for quite some time. All ULSD will have the same or better lubricity as current #2, without the addition of any type of fuel modifiers on the part of the owners. There is literature out there though that claims that ULSD DOES in fact require lubricity additives; I believe the information they quote is outdated. It was the industries experiance, however, that they reicieved alot of compliants from owners of older cars, would blame ANY type of problem on the fuel, MOST of which were unfounded. These types of statements can only be made retrospectively though, since now there are very little problems reported by European owners of olders cars. However, a large portion of older cars have fuel lines thats are know to go bad otherwise. I can only imagine the number of complaints from 98-99 E300D owners regarding fuel leaks from using ULSD that will popping up on the various MB lists. The thing is, those cars are known for having weak plastic fuel lines - on cars that still have the originals, at 7-8 years, its probably the end of their useful life anyways! So the companies selling ULSD put out literature that protects them from people blaming their fuel for any and all related fuel problems. Printing even a couple million packets is alot cheaper than even paying a hundred claims or getting involved it 10 lawsuits. So just put the fuel in the cars, and when you have a fuel problem, consider how old your car and its fuel lines are before rushing to judgement on ULSD. Please note I havn't thouroughly checked all the facts on the issue, and would welcome constructive criticisism if any of my statements contain questionable facts. Mike On 10/30/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of starting another fuel thread, I wanted to know more about the ULSD. I fueled up the 300D 2.5t Friday ($2.59/gal) and noticed that the Shell station now has the new ultra low # 2. Inside the station, they had a Shell pamphlet of Q A about ULSD-much of what has been covered on this list. But there was a caveat about using it in pre 2007 diesel engines mentioning premature fuel leakage, filter failure, etc, etc. (I don't have the exact quotes as my dog ate the brochure. ) So my question is-is this just lawyer talk to cover themselves, or should I start to worry-esp. about the leaks. And, if I should star to monitor this, should I worry more about the 240D than the 300D? Any references or studies would be appreciated. Thanks, Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, router
I know my D-Link wireless provides an option for remote access; to set it up though, you need to connect to it. If I understand your setup correctly, there are 2 ways you could accomplish this with your linksys, assuming its similiar to my D-link. The first would be hook a computer directly into the linksys, and manage it that way. If its ethernet port is broken though, you'll need to access to D-link and use port forwarding to set up a port to the IP of the linksys, then access it that way. IE, set up port 12345 on the D-link to forward to the IP that corresponds to the Linksis, then access the linksis by going to 192.168.0.1:12345 Catch all that? Mike On 10/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I get into my wireless Linksys router? No, I am not stupid, I know how to do it, but cant seem to. See, what happened, is the internet port on the router went out supposedly so my wireless IP gave me a d-link router(not wireless) and piggy backed it to my old wireless router. So the internet is managed from the dlink, and wireless access in the house via the linksys. I can get into the dlink, ie 192.168.0.1. Cant get into the linksys. The old address to get into it was 192.168.1.1 I believe but that doenst get it. The PC that is wired is hooked directly to the dlink so the only thing hooked to the linksys is the connection from the other router. Today I moved the PC connection to the linksys, still gets internet access that way etc but still will not get into the router. Point is, I need to get back into it to secure the wireless access portion. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, router
Then your Ethernet port may in fact be broken, unless other drivers software are necessary to access the router as someone else has suggested. Most user manuals are available online, try to find out if thats the case. If not, you may have to use the port forwarding. Mike On 10/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea sort of. I did hook a computer directly to the linksys and still could not access it though. Michael Hall wrote: I know my D-Link wireless provides an option for remote access; to set it up though, you need to connect to it. If I understand your setup correctly, there are 2 ways you could accomplish this with your linksys, assuming its similiar to my D-link. The first would be hook a computer directly into the linksys, and manage it that way. If its ethernet port is broken though, you'll need to access to D-link and use port forwarding to set up a port to the IP of the linksys, then access it that way. IE, set up port 12345 on the D-link to forward to the IP that corresponds to the Linksis, then access the linksis by going to 192.168.0.1:12345 Catch all that? Mike On 10/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I get into my wireless Linksys router? No, I am not stupid, I know how to do it, but cant seem to. See, what happened, is the internet port on the router went out supposedly so my wireless IP gave me a d-link router(not wireless) and piggy backed it to my old wireless router. So the internet is managed from the dlink, and wireless access in the house via the linksys. I can get into the dlink, ie 192.168.0.1. Cant get into the linksys. The old address to get into it was 192.168.1.1 I believe but that doenst get it. The PC that is wired is hooked directly to the dlink so the only thing hooked to the linksys is the connection from the other router. Today I moved the PC connection to the linksys, still gets internet access that way etc but still will not get into the router. Point is, I need to get back into it to secure the wireless access portion. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but at least not the Kettle, pot, black
Sounds like a story is required here. Mike On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the closest i've been to a gunfight is about 10 feet and the combatants were remarkably inept. both emptied high capacity glock magazines and no one died. most of the bullets ended up in my 1971 250, which still had the bullet holes in it when it was last driven by MMM. you would think two fellas who have chosen such a violent profession would be better at violence, but it seems everything is dumbed down in our modern times.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
What is the point this list? I was under the impression that it was to disseminate information about Mercedes. So when some one says something that is blatantly wrong, those of us who recognize the error are supposed to sit by and watch? Steve asked why 2 of his 123's start in second, and 1 starts in first. So I replied: Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83. Kaleb, however, decided I was wrong, and The 123 and 126 turbo cars start in FIRST Except then Tom Hargrave, Jim Cathey and Peter Frederick all made mention of cars that violated Kaleb's decree. OK Don went on to quote his 115 Chassis manual making mention of 1st. gear can be engaged only by means of kickdown ie, second gear starts. Then Kaleb tried to show he was right by twisting his own words and saying they start in 1st, as I have said many times already. The part about them sitting in 2nd is correct, they sit in 2nd till you start moving, but start in first. Wait, did manage to contradict yourself twice in the span of two sentences? And then Mitch Haley goes on to say the W116 Service book states 300SD's start in second. Then Mike Canfeild decided to tell me I'm wrong, by saying that non-turbos start in second gear. Interesting - what did I say to contradict that? Then Kaleb fesses up to 116's starting in 2nd. H So I make an effort to provide some actual facts behind what I, and EVERYONE ELSE has been saying. I don't see anyone else who has made the effort to post anything remotely official, other than saying that I am wrong, then backing it up evidence that furthers my point. There has yet to be a single post from anyone other than Kaleb giving any reasons for my being wrong - most people agree with me. But everyone says I'm wrong because Kaleb does. You guys have spent too much time on eBay, and now its you guys that are smoking the crack. This is just ridiculous, Mike On 10/23/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/23/06 9:16 AM, Michael Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or the underlying belief by many on this list that he [Marshall, no Kaleb] was essentially God, which must get boring after a while [as apposed to Kaleb, who thinks he's God but most people don't agree, so he's entertained trying to prove he is].
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
The data is for a particular set of years. I never said it was good for 107
cars, I said it was good for an 83 300CD. All data, at least my version,
doesn't go back before 82. I did say, TWICE, that early 4.5L V8's had 3
speeds.
Why is everyone so insistant that I'm wrong?
Mike
On 10/23/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remember - I quoted from the manual for 115 chassis 300D, 1975 to 1976
- no turbo.
The alldata pages did not differenciate enough between variations to
be useful. For instance, it did not differenciate between the three
speed early 107 cars ('72 to '80) and the later four speed cars ('81
to '89).
So lets see - the only other semi-official post on the subject, OK
Don's,
agrees with me.
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives.
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because you say it doesn't make it right comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. I'm actually the only one who attempted to do so, only to be told my facts and documentation isn't good enough. You have to tell us your qualifications. Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Started in ~93, our house was built with a 4 car garage to go full time in '97 Then our neighbor hood got upset by the constant flow on MB's in and out of the neighborhoof, so he bought a 3 bay garage in ~99, in 02 we demolished the old garage and built a modern 4 bay facilty, then expanded to 6 bays in ~04 Pics from around the shop available here: http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/jareks/jareks.html Never met the owner - our guy is Craig Wilson, he's a pretty young G-Tech Grad. You may know or have heard of Pat Evens, the advisor over there - I think he used to be the shop foreman over at RBM, raced 16V's. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I worked for them as sales manager from 1976 till 1985. We have a less than amicable relationship. Not many folks still there from when I was, but the owner, Mrs. Shelton has a real long memory. Oh well. I have never heard of Jarek's, when did he open up? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
On 10/24/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? A mixture of hard work and repressed anger.
[MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications? And on a more serious but hopefully less tempremental subject, what are the qualifications of the other people on this list? On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to tell us your qualifications. Mike
Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
On 10/24/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you sing rocky top in the shower? At least once day. Mike
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
So its okay for you to insult my personality, but not for me to respond regarding your intelligence? Interesting, especially given the correlation between the two that you brought up. Which, I'm sure, is based on scientific fact. I've been wrong many many many times in my life. I freely admit that. What I can't stand is people telling me I'm wrong, when I am in fact right. Especially when they can't and don't back it up with anything substantial, and even more so when they back it up by taking parts out of context and argueing against them or just saying I'm wrong and backing it up with proof that I'm right. People skills? Enemies? This is internet, where those things matter about a much as logic and intelligence. I practice the latter, some people practice the former, everyone wins and everyone loses. If you don't like what I'm saying, you can choose to ignore it or use your email client to filter it. But if you jump into the coversation, I will reply. Mike On 10/24/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You, my friend, need to work on your people skills. You have rapidly created several enemies and many potential ones by flaunting your know-it-all-never-wrong attitude around here. You have dropped sarcasm many a time that was uncalled for, and frankly, it's very a$$ like. Cool off and maybe we'll have a happy list again with you as another valuable member.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Glad that you've been ordained to speak for the list - perhaps all further list emails should be sent directly to you. There are actually plenty of people of who agree with me on this list, some have even gone so far as to tell me as much off-list. On a serious note, which part of that that response did you find so offensive that you smashed your keyboard and broke the Caps Lock key? I really didn't think that anything I wrote would be considered as insulting as you make it out to be. Mike On 10/24/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LISTEN HERE, I WAS NEUTRAL IN THIS MESS UNTIL NOW. YOU WILL BE ASSUMED TO BE WRONG BY EVERYONE ON THE LIST UNTIL YOU PROVIDE PROOF DIRECTLY FROM MERCEDES THAT PROVES YOUR POINT. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So its okay for you to insult my personality, but not for me to respond regarding your intelligence? Interesting, especially given the correlation between the two that you brought up. Which, I'm sure, is based on scientific fact. I've been wrong many many many times in my life. I freely admit that. What I can't stand is people telling me I'm wrong, when I am in fact right. Especially when they can't and don't back it up with anything substantial, and even more so when they back it up by taking parts out of context and argueing against them or just saying I'm wrong and backing it up with proof that I'm right. People skills? Enemies? This is internet, where those things matter about a much as logic and intelligence. I practice the latter, some people practice the former, everyone wins and everyone loses. If you don't like what I'm saying, you can choose to ignore it or use your email client to filter it. But if you jump into the coversation, I will reply. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Are you talkin to me? Because what you're saying doesn't make anything I've said wrong. Went to the shop today, printed to Microsoft Office Document Imaging (ie .MDI) the MB specified values for starting gear given throttle position; I can't provide a document number, but will post a printout as soon as I convert it to a .pdf. I can email anyone interested a copy of the MDI in the mean time. In the mean time, I can give you guys they synopsis. According to MB, the following are the starting gears for transmissions by chassis/ engine type. with selector in D Chassis 107,123, 126 with engine 110, or 617.95 - 2ND GEAR START 103 motor in 107, 124, and 126 - 2ND GEAR START 116 Motor and 117 Motor in 107 126 Chassis - 2ND GEAR START 603.96 in the 124 and 126 Chassis - 1ST GEAR START Argue all you want, this proves I'm write. I am not, however, infallible - I wrote earlier that an 83 300D has a 722.315 - thats not entirely correct - it could also have a 722.416 depending on application. If you'd like to argue with that, please have some sort of documentation to back up your talking - Oh my car did this or all the ones I've seen did this is not documentation This thread has become comical to me. Mike On 10/22/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Michael...Anyone who has ever driven a non-turbo MBZ knows they start out in second gear unless you tromp it all the way to the floor. I would say YOU are the one who is wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission Whatever you say, I guess I am wrong. I have half a dozen of those cars here at any given moment and they all start in 1st. I have had 50+ of both turbo, non turbo, and gas cars, over the last 15 years and all the turbo cars started in 1st, non turbo started in 2nd, with first gear start via kickdown. MB owners manual for 82 300D says D all gears available, manual for 78 which would be non turbo says D all gears available(first gear start), first gear can only be engaged by means of kickdown(2nd gear start). Sort of figured having that many cars over that period of time all starting in 1st would be a good clue thats how they are supposed to be. I guess all my cars over that time have had something wrong with them. Owners manual is also incorrect it seems. Michael Hall wrote: Except you're wrong. And saying you're right doesn't make you right, it just makes you look like like some hillbilly from OK that dismantles MB's in his backyard and thinks that make him an expert. Maybe you'll understand better if I say: BZZZT - wrong Mike On 10/20/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: except that I am right. Michael Hall wrote: You can say it as often as you want, it doesn't make you right.
Re: [MBZ] KALEB IS CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!! I CONCEDE?
How does this make Kaleb correct? How do you know your vehicle is adjusted properly? What year is your car? A 300D could mean ALOT of different cars. Mike On 10/22/06, Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb is correct; my 300D has 4 speeds starts out in 1st !!!; sometimes shifts to 2nd quickly, depending on load and how far acell. pedal is pushed down Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
I said earlier that the 4.5 L 117's have the 3 speed and start in first. Dunno where you're getting the 3.5 info, thats older than I have info for. Do I need to repeat everything I've ever said? Mike On 10/22/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you still didn't provide enough detail - the 107 with the cast rion block (3.5 and 4.5) 117 engines have a three speed tranny (722.004), and start in first. The later 107 had either the 3.8 or 5.6 aluminum block 117 engines, with a 4 speed tranny. I don't know which gear they start in. On 10/22/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you talkin to me? Because what you're saying doesn't make anything I've said wrong. Went to the shop today, printed to Microsoft Office Document Imaging (ie .MDI) the MB specified values for starting gear given throttle position; I can't provide a document number, but will post a printout as soon as I convert it to a .pdf. I can email anyone interested a copy of the MDI in the mean time. In the mean time, I can give you guys they synopsis. According to MB, the following are the starting gears for transmissions by chassis/ engine type. with selector in D Chassis 107,123, 126 with engine 110, or 617.95 - 2ND GEAR START 103 motor in 107, 124, and 126 - 2ND GEAR START 116 Motor and 117 Motor in 107 126 Chassis - 2ND GEAR START 603.96 in the 124 and 126 Chassis - 1ST GEAR START Argue all you want, this proves I'm write. I am not, however, infallible - I wrote earlier that an 83 300D has a 722.315 - thats not entirely correct - it could also have a 722.416 depending on application. If you'd like to argue with that, please have some sort of documentation to back up your talking - Oh my car did this or all the ones I've seen did this is not documentation This thread has become comical to me. Mike -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Yeah, your ability to write english better than I makes you right about everything. Never mind the fact that English is the 3RD language I learned In my life, of the 4 I know. Mike On 10/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, now we all know you are write. Michael Hall wrote: Are you talkin to me? Because what you're saying doesn't make anything I've said wrong. Went to the shop today, printed to Microsoft Office Document Imaging (ie .MDI) the MB specified values for starting gear given throttle position; I can't provide a document number, but will post a printout as soon as I convert it to a .pdf. I can email anyone interested a copy of the MDI in the mean time. In the mean time, I can give you guys they synopsis. According to MB, the following are the starting gears for transmissions by chassis/ engine type. with selector in D Chassis 107,123, 126 with engine 110, or 617.95 - 2ND GEAR START 103 motor in 107, 124, and 126 - 2ND GEAR START 116 Motor and 117 Motor in 107 126 Chassis - 2ND GEAR START 603.96 in the 124 and 126 Chassis - 1ST GEAR START Argue all you want, this proves I'm write. I am not, however, infallible - I wrote earlier that an 83 300D has a 722.315 - thats not entirely correct - it could also have a 722.416 depending on application. If you'd like to argue with that, please have some sort of documentation to back up your talking - Oh my car did this or all the ones I've seen did this is not documentation This thread has become comical to me. Mike -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Who said they did? They're probaly lumped together becuase they opperate similiarly, either becuase they havve similair internals, similiar design of internals, or purly by luck. Mike On 10/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 107 never came with a 617, so Im not sure why those would be lumped together. The 103 never came in the 107 either. This info doesnt make sense. OK Don wrote: Well, you still didn't provide enough detail - the 107 with the cast rion block (3.5 and 4.5) 117 engines have a three speed tranny (722.004), and start in first. The later 107 had either the 3.8 or 5.6 aluminum block 117 engines, with a 4 speed tranny. I don't know which gear they start in. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Well, the MB document I quoted from is doesn't explicitly cover those motors. You'll see what I mean when I post it. On 10/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 3.5 and 4.5 were available at the same time. Michael Hall wrote: I said earlier that the 4.5 L 117's have the 3 speed and start in first. Dunno where you're getting the 3.5 info, thats older than I have info for. Do I need to repeat everything I've ever said? Mike -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Its Alldata info that is clearly scanned in copies of MB technical data - the most reliable source of ELECTRONIC W123 documentation that I have access to. WIS doesn't cover W123's - at least my copy doesn't, so I can't give you document numbers, but I presume it would be found under 27.00 to 27.10 or thereabouts. And, either way, its alot more substantial than you, or anyone else, saying my car behave this way so thats how it should be. No one has provided contradicting data that would qualify as more complete or accurate than this. Until they do, I'll consider myself correct. Mike On 10/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is alldata information, not information from MBNA. You need to come up with something official. Alldata can be and often is wrong. Michael Hall wrote: To those still interested in this thread; http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/jareks/techinicalinfo/TransDebate.html Still doubt me? Mike On 10/22/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you talkin to me? Because what you're saying doesn't make anything I've said wrong. Went to the shop today, printed to Microsoft Office Document Imaging (ie .MDI) the MB specified values for starting gear given throttle position; I can't provide a document number, but will post a printout as soon as I convert it to a .pdf. I can email anyone interested a copy of the MDI in the mean time. In the mean time, I can give you guys they synopsis. According to MB, the following are the starting gears for transmissions by chassis/ engine type. with selector in D Chassis 107,123, 126 with engine 110, or 617.95 - 2ND GEAR START 103 motor in 107, 124, and 126 - 2ND GEAR START 116 Motor and 117 Motor in 107 126 Chassis - 2ND GEAR START 603.96 in the 124 and 126 Chassis - 1ST GEAR START Argue all you want, this proves I'm write. I am not, however, infallible - I wrote earlier that an 83 300D has a 722.315 - thats not entirely correct - it could also have a 722.416 depending on application. If you'd like to argue with that, please have some sort of documentation to back up your talking - Oh my car did this or all the ones I've seen did this is not documentation This thread has become comical to me. Mike On 10/22/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Michael...Anyone who has ever driven a non-turbo MBZ knows they start out in second gear unless you tromp it all the way to the floor. I would say YOU are the one who is wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission Whatever you say, I guess I am wrong. I have half a dozen of those cars here at any given moment and they all start in 1st. I have had 50+ of both turbo, non turbo, and gas cars, over the last 15 years and all the turbo cars started in 1st, non turbo started in 2nd, with first gear start via kickdown. MB owners manual for 82 300D says D all gears available, manual for 78 which would be non turbo says D all gears available(first gear start), first gear can only be engaged by means of kickdown(2nd gear start). Sort of figured having that many cars over that period of time all starting in 1st would be a good clue thats how they are supposed to be. I guess all my cars over that time have had something wrong with them. Owners manual is also incorrect it seems. Michael Hall wrote: Except you're wrong. And saying you're right doesn't make you right, it just makes you look like like some hillbilly from OK that dismantles MB's in his backyard and thinks that make him an expert. Maybe you'll understand better if I say: BZZZT - wrong Mike On 10/20/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: except that I am right. Michael Hall wrote: You can say it as often as you want, it doesn't make you right. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
I would too, but I don't have access to it. Its not like All Data made this data up - most of All Data's technical info comes directly from Manufacturer's literature, and judging by the format of this information, it comes from an MB document. I certainly give more weight to this document than any number of backyard mechanics saying otherwise. If someone has information that can be more directly traced to official documents, I would certainly defer to that information over this. Up to now, however, no one has stepped up with that info. Until someone does come up with contradicting data, I will still consider myself correct. Mike On 10/22/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to see a copy of the transmission manuals OR where in the regular chassis factory manual that these things are said. If Alldata is previously suspect, they can be on this also. On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:53:40 -0500, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its Alldata info that is clearly scanned in copies of MB technical data - the most reliable source of ELECTRONIC W123 documentation that I have access to. WIS doesn't cover W123's - at least my copy doesn't, so I can't give you document numbers, but I presume it would be found under 27.00 to 27.10or thereabouts. And, either way, its alot more substantial than you, or anyone else, saying my car behave this way so thats how it should be. No one has provided contradicting data that would qualify as more complete or accurate than this. Until they do, I'll consider myself correct. Mike On 10/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is alldata information, not information from MBNA. You need to come up with something official. Alldata can be and often is wrong. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
On 10/23/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alldata is very suspect. Why? In particular, what makes this information suspect, other than it proving you wrong? Are you claiming alldata made up this information? Here is how it boils down, we have 15 years and dozens and dozens of cars worth of experience, or some info somewhere from alldata. And I have many years and many cars of experience working on these cars. You decide. Just from my own experience. I cant see how every 123 and 126 turbo car I have had over the last 15 years has all had the same exact problem as mike says it must be. I'm not saying there must be a problem with every car you've owned, I'm just saying your wrong that The 123 and 126 turbo cars start in FIRST. All I claim is this data is correct for an 83 300CD, and that particular car should start in 2nd gear, which mine does. I've presented a source of information, ie All Data, which most people would consider a reputable souce, that I contend has greater merit than your anecdotal data, which is at best a tertiarysource, and at worst severely suspect. It is my belief that the data I've provided is a transcription of the MB data, and is therefore a secondary source. You can call it suspect, you can even call it incorrect, but in doing so I would expect you to provide contradictory information that would hold up to the same burden on proof. All you doubters out there have yet to provide ANY type of documention that contradicts my information. I welcome any of you to do so. Otherwise, a logical person would conclude that I am correct. Mike Show me MB info, and I will believe it. Alldata doesnt cut it. Luther Gulseth wrote: I want to see a copy of the transmission manuals OR where in the regular chassis factory manual that these things are said. If Alldata is previously suspect, they can be on this also. On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:53:40 -0500, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its Alldata info that is clearly scanned in copies of MB technical data - the most reliable source of ELECTRONIC W123 documentation that I have access to. WIS doesn't cover W123's - at least my copy doesn't, so I can't give you document numbers, but I presume it would be found under 27.00 to 27.10or thereabouts. And, either way, its alot more substantial than you, or anyone else, saying my car behave this way so thats how it should be. No one has provided contradicting data that would qualify as more complete or accurate than this. Until they do, I'll consider myself correct. Mike On 10/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is alldata information, not information from MBNA. You need to come up with something official. Alldata can be and often is wrong. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
No wonder Marshall is gone. Mike On 10/23/06, Frank Pembleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you're talking about Klebbie, not a normal, logical person. _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: Michael Hall Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:59 PM Otherwise, a logical person would conclude that I am correct. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Perhaps the belief that anecdotal data gathered by a junk yard operator is superior to real repair and diagnostic information scared him off - this certainly isn't the first instance. Or the underlying belief by many on this list that he [Marshall, no Kaleb] was essentially God, which must get boring after a while [as apposed to Kaleb, who thinks he's God but most people don't agree, so he's entertained trying to prove he is]. Either way, he's now on the MBCA forums now, where rational minds prevail (I assume/ hope/ dream.) I wonder if you have to be in MBCA to be on the forums. Mike On 10/23/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I miss MarshallThis thread would have been over long ago with just a few of his wise words.Where'd ya go Dok? Mike - Original Message - From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission No wonder Marshall is gone. Mike On 10/23/06, Frank Pembleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you're talking about Klebbie, not a normal, logical person. _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: Michael Hall Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:59 PM Otherwise, a logical person would conclude that I am correct. Mike
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
What would be the fun in that? Mike On 10/23/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You all could read the oner's manual --- a primary source. It's on the CD if you don't have the one that came with the car. You can call it suspect, you can even call it incorrect, but in doing so I would expect you to provide contradictory information that would hold up to the same burden on proof. All you doubters out there have yet to provide ANY type of documention that contradicts my information. I welcome any of you to do so. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
I've tried on several occasions to buy things from Kaleb. He doesn't seem to want to sell me anything. I'm a jerk because I refuse to let the list owner post false information? Okay, sure. Paying for the list is a joke. I think admin time is worth more than the fees related to hosting the list. OK Don's quote confirm what I'm saying, not what Kaleb says (suprise, suprise). But of course, Kaleb has bought many of these cars in the last XX years so he knows best. Nevermind that I've been involved in the PROFESSIONAL repair of MB's since I was 12. Unfortunatly, all my certifications are for cars that have computers in them. Nevermind that I've dissassembled and parted out at least 15 MBs - unfortunatly we've moved on to mostly 140 and 210 chassis's so I don't have a bunch of old terds in my backyard. Yes, mistakes happen over at All Data. But the document I provided is so obviously a direct copy of MB literature, as anyone who's actually read MB literature would know, so they would have had to go in and change things to make it wrong. Yeah, thats more believable than Kaleb being wrong. Nevermind that he asks the list questions on how to fix things and then seems to have considerable difficulty repairing them. He is the list God, he must be right. So lets see - the only other semi-official post on the subject, OK Don's, agrees with me. No, you're right, I'm a jerk and Kaleb is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Whatever. Mike On 10/23/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh, I'd written a big thing but it all boils down to this - you're a jerk, you have no manners. Kaleb PAYS for this list to exist which is alot more than I can say for you. I've bought parts from Kaleb before so I figure I've in some small way help to support the list. Kaleb gives us anecdotal data, OK Don gives us quotes from a Mercedes manual, you give us AllData that frequently doesn't know how many cylinders a car has... Yes AllData is taken from the manufacturers documentation but the problem is its taken BY HAND. Mistakes are bound to happen... -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:16:09 -0400 From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Perhaps the belief that anecdotal data gathered by a junk yard operator is superior to real repair and diagnostic information scared him off - this certainly isn't the first instance. Or the underlying belief by many on this list that he [Marshall, no Kaleb] was essentially God, which must get boring after a while [as apposed to Kaleb, who thinks he's God but most people don't agree, so he's entertained trying to prove he is]. Either way, he's now on the MBCA forums now, where rational minds prevail (I assume/ hope/ dream.) I wonder if you have to be in MBCA to be on the forums. Mike - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Except you're wrong. And saying you're right doesn't make you right, it just makes you look like like some hillbilly from OK that dismantles MB's in his backyard and thinks that make him an expert. Maybe you'll understand better if I say: BZZZT - wrong Mike On 10/20/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: except that I am right. Michael Hall wrote: You can say it as often as you want, it doesn't make you right.
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83. Your owners manual will generally tell you what gear your trans should start in, assuming you have the correct manual for your car. Thats all assuming your car has its original transmission! Mercedes did offer 3 speed trannys, the 722.0XX, found on the 4.5 L versions of the 108 109 Chassis (ie 280SE/L 300SEL 4.5's), the 4.5L 107 chassis (ie 450 SL/C) as well as the 6.9 and 4.5 liter versions the 116 (450SE/L [6.9]) Glad I could clear all that up, Mike On 10/19/06, Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; My 79 240D starts in 2nd unless accel. is pushed down all they way to floor, then downshifts to 1st my 83 300D works the same; starts in 2nd unless accel. pushed down to floor My 1985 works this way; Starts out in 1st (it is a Calif. model) not sure if Federal model is same? All three cars have a 4 speed auto. trans. Steve
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
You can say it as often as you want, it doesn't make you right. On 10/20/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will say this again, so everyone pay attention, The 123 and 126 turbo cars start in FIRST. If they dont, something is wrong or misadjusted. The older non turbo cars start in 2nd, will kick down into first if kickdown switch is hit. The gas v8's with 4 speed trans(as in the 126's) start in 2nd. The later diesels(300SDL, 124's) start in first also. Michael Hall wrote: Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83. Your owners manual will generally tell you what gear your trans should start in, assuming you have the correct manual for your car. Thats all assuming your car has its original transmission! Mercedes did offer 3 speed trannys, the 722.0XX, found on the 4.5 L versions of the 108 109 Chassis (ie 280SE/L 300SEL 4.5's), the 4.5L107 chassis (ie 450 SL/C) as well as the 6.9 and 4.5 liter versions the 116 (450SE/L [6.9]) Glad I could clear all that up, Mike On 10/19/06, Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; My 79 240D starts in 2nd unless accel. is pushed down all they way to floor, then downshifts to 1st my 83 300D works the same; starts in 2nd unless accel. pushed down to floor My 1985 works this way; Starts out in 1st (it is a Calif. model) not sure if Federal model is same? All three cars have a 4 speed auto. trans. Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Transmission Problem
Sounds like you had a 3 year/30k warranty. On 10/16/06, Bill Phelps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with my 85 300SD transmission that I would like to explore. The transmission and torque converter were replaced in Oct 2003. It has logged 30k miles. I bought it from Rusty. It is filled with Mobil1Synthetic fluid . It has been performing flawlessly until recently. In the past few weeks, I noticed the forward shifts, all of them, where harsher than in the past. I attributed this to vacuum and made a note to go over the vac system soon. However, yesterday I parked the car and made a quick dash into a store. I returned to the car, fired it up, put it in drive, but the transmission did not engage. Not forward or reverse. Revving up the engine makes no difference.Fluid level fine, nice and pink. Other than the harsher shifts, there were no other symptoms, sounds, on-the-road problems, or fluid leaks. It simply stopped working. Does this sound like a valve body seal problem? Maybe a bad torque converter? Modulator? Regards, Bill Phelps Annapolis, MD 85 300SD Beeker 85 300SD Parts ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heat AC failure
1) Yes 2) There 3) Alot 4) No. On 10/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The heat and AC both began to fail intermittently about a year ago. Sometimes they would work and sometimes not. A local auto technician thinks it's some sort of control valve that he thinks (but isn't sure) is located either under the dash or under the hood. The dealership service advisor isn't sure which valve controls both systems. 1. Do you think it's probably this control valve they are talking about? 2. If so, where is it located? 3. What should I expect to pay for parts and labor? 4. Is it something I could do myself? I've done a lot of mechanical work on the car myself - just no electronics. Thanks very much for any help. les ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
We have a customer with a 123 coupe with leather HEATED seats. Only coupe with leather and heat that I know of. Original owner also had a boost adjustor added the car - you rotated a knob and that controled waste gate pop pressure. Had to disable it some years back as the controller went out, but the boost gage still works - kinda neat, very professional and very old installation. When he got t-boned in it 5 or 6 years ago, the insurance appraised it at 15k, with like 8k in damage. Fixed it with used parts, came out way ahead, still has the car. There are alot of neat cars out there. Mike On 10/12/06, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one now and sold one a couple years ago. Rory 1982 300TD leather 1984 300D (sold) leather 1985 300SD leather On 10/12/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had several leathered 123's. In fact, I have one right now. Zoltan Finks wrote: Yeah, I've actually never run across a leather interiored 123, but I believe the original post on this stated that it has leather. Brian On 10/12/06, Darrell W. Sigmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just picturing a white CD with leather... I doubt that it is leather, more like MB Tex... DWS ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A real hoot - $69.00 sh on a fuel filter
*$28.29 is the quote i got. . . .* On 10/2/06, Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a calculate button on the listing. Put in your zip code and then say you got to be kidding! On 10/2/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, what am I missing? I looked and I don't see a shipping and handling cost quoted. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Desert Rat Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A real hoot - $69.00 sh on a fuel filter I sent this one to Ebay for their reviewwhat a jerk! On 10/2/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-diesel-fuel-filter-300td-300d-turbo-NR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ4609 3QQihZ014QQitemZ330035218935QQrdZ1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500SEL 143K Stardust 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit 1992 500SL 109K The Flying Plum ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500SEL 143K Stardust 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit 1992 500SL 109K The Flying Plum ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap wagon
If that doesn't reek of shill bidding, I dunno what does. On 9/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has one now. andrew strasfogel wrote: I can't believe it has no bids. The TL lenses alone are worth $200... On 9/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-W123-1981-Mecedes-Benz-300TD-Wagon-300-turbo-diesel-sunroof_W0QQitemZ270033823857QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap wagon
Lets see - the no reserve, the bidder opened an account TODAY, bidder name is mercedes related but not exactly the product being sold (an attempt to make people think its a mercedes type person bidding), the bid was placed 15 minutes after the seller answered my question about rust (ie got home from worked, answered some questions, opened and account and placed a bid). Shill bidding is bidding that artificially inflates the price of the auction, ie the seller bidding on his own item under a different name. While abhored on eBay, the practice is accepted at dealer car auctions, where half the time, you're bidding against the coke machine in the corner. Mike On 9/27/06, mark maturo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is shill bidding? Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that doesn't reek of shill bidding, I dunno what does. On 9/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It has one now. andrew strasfogel wrote: I can't believe it has no bids. The TL lenses alone are worth $200... On 9/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-W123-1981-Mecedes-Benz-300TD-Wagon-300-turbo-diesel-sunroof_W0QQitemZ270033823857QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap wagon
You don't know what he bid - thats the whole thing. Thats how eBay works, a bidder makes a maximum bid, which shows up as the next bid based on the current bid increment, then eBay automatically raises it up to the maximun as people bid against you. So you run a no reserve auction, then a few days later, bid your reserve. There are car dealers that make livings doing this on eBay. The trick is to use proxy servers to make it look like the accounts originate and bid at independant IPs, other wise eBay will catch you and suspend your accounts. Mike On 9/27/06, mark maturo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I didn't know the terminology. I've never bid on anything. I agree it does sound fishy but wouldn't the seller bid a lot higher to make people think it was worth more? And why isn't he showing the interior? Also ,the back looks like it is sitting kind of low. Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets see - the no reserve, the bidder opened an account TODAY, bidder name is mercedes related but not exactly the product being sold (an attempt to make people think its a mercedes type person bidding), the bid was placed 15 minutes after the seller answered my question about rust (ie got home from worked, answered some questions, opened and account and placed a bid). Shill bidding is bidding that artificially inflates the price of the auction, ie the seller bidding on his own item under a different name. While abhored on eBay, the practice is accepted at dealer car auctions, where half the time, you're bidding against the coke machine in the corner. Mike On 9/27/06, mark maturo wrote: what is shill bidding? Michael Hall wrote: If that doesn't reek of shill bidding, I dunno what does. On 9/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It has one now. andrew strasfogel wrote: I can't believe it has no bids. The TL lenses alone are worth $200... On 9/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-W123-1981-Mecedes-Benz-300TD-Wagon-300-turbo-diesel-sunroof_W0QQitemZ270033823857QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap wagon
No, its not. I want the Wagon. I'm the only one willing to bid, lets say, 5k. No one else bids more than 2k. Seller places a shill bid for 4,800. I win the auction at 4,900. Seller recieves 2,900 more than he would in a fair auction. Mike On 9/28/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course this is all moot if you have the discipline to bid only as much as you are willing to pay, based on what the item is worth... On 9/28/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't know what he bid - thats the whole thing. Thats how eBay works, a bidder makes a maximum bid, which shows up as the next bid based on the current bid increment, then eBay automatically raises it up to the maximun as people bid against you. So you run a no reserve auction, then a few days later, bid your reserve. There are car dealers that make livings doing this on eBay. The trick is to use proxy servers to make it look like the accounts originate and bid at independant IPs, other wise eBay will catch you and suspend your accounts. Mike On 9/27/06, mark maturo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I didn't know the terminology. I've never bid on anything. I agree it does sound fishy but wouldn't the seller bid a lot higher to make people think it was worth more? And why isn't he showing the interior? Also ,the back looks like it is sitting kind of low. Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets see - the no reserve, the bidder opened an account TODAY, bidder name is mercedes related but not exactly the product being sold (an attempt to make people think its a mercedes type person bidding), the bid was placed 15 minutes after the seller answered my question about rust (ie got home from worked, answered some questions, opened and account and placed a bid). Shill bidding is bidding that artificially inflates the price of the auction, ie the seller bidding on his own item under a different name. While abhored on eBay, the practice is accepted at dealer car auctions, where half the time, you're bidding against the coke machine in the corner. Mike On 9/27/06, mark maturo wrote: what is shill bidding? Michael Hall wrote: If that doesn't reek of shill bidding, I dunno what does. On 9/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It has one now. andrew strasfogel wrote: I can't believe it has no bids. The TL lenses alone are worth $200... On 9/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-W123-1981-Mecedes-Benz-300TD-Wagon-300-turbo-diesel-sunroof_W0QQitemZ270033823857QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [MBZ] 126 420SEL
My mom's 420SEL had ~230k miles on it when we sold it, up to ~250k now, we never had major trouble with it, although the spare fuel pump relay we took on long trips came in handy on the way back from FL once. Current owner just had to have a soft parts rebuild of the tranny. The whole 126 line was pretty great - in fact I recently read a review for the new 221 chassis S class that praised it for driving like the old 126. I would look for a replacement timing chain and tensioner, though - we've rebuilt quite a few where the chain broke, usually 180+k miles though but I would think age would be a factor. Mike On 9/25/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I've heard, for what that is worth, is camshafts. Here's the EPA fuel economy figures for the 420 Fuel Type Premium Gasoline MPG (city) 15 MPG (highway) 19 MPG (combined) 17 Here's what they say for the 300 Fuel Type Premium Gasoline MPG (city) 16 MPG (highway) 20 MPG (combined) 18 Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Yes. Just use your signals all the time. Whats the big deal? Seems like much for effort to have to conciously decide oh is it okay not to use them now versus just using them all the time. The its okay becuase... excuse annoys me to no end. You sound like my girlfriend. Thats right, you drive like a woman. Mike On 9/25/06, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Ever seen The Butterfly Effect? It could be argued that even when no one is around, not using your signal will have an effect on traffic. Furthermore, if the cop could see you NOT use your signal, it obviously affected him, and therefore traffic. Again, whats the big deal - if that amount of effort puts strain on you, mentally or physically, you shouldn't be driving anyway. Mike On 9/25/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless the language has been changed recently, it read that signals must be used whereas traffic might be effected , so officially, no ticket, but that most likely won't stop some bozo from writing you one anyway, then it's up to you to prove you're innocent in court. -Robert Rory wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
The left lane is for passing. How come 98% of people on the road don't understand this? Its not for driving slightly faster than the right lane. Mike On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. That is harsh. BUT I can see your side too - you cannot do your job because people in cars will simply not let you in. What can you do besides inch over? That sounds like the good compromise. Now, those who will intentionally ditch people, I just can't see that. Also: Your theory assumes that someone is just sort of cruising and holding their position behind or infront of your rear bumper. What if they are advancing at a speed greater than yours, and will make their way past you in a timely fashion (again, opinion enters in) but they are technically behind your bumper when you put on your signal. You would require them to lean on the brakes and let you over? Brian Robert wrote: When driving big trucks, I follow the letter of the law, anyone whose front bumper is past my rear bumper when I hit the signal, I let them go by, anyone whose front bumper is behind my rear bumper when I hit the signal is required to let me in, so it's 500 ft down the highway with the blinker on and anyone who was behind the bumper when I hit the signal, better get out of the way, because I'm coming over. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
So if all your friends jump off a bridge, you will too? You see a problem, claim to be frustrated, and yet you don't see your contribution to the problem to be an issue. Thats downright assanine. Its wy too easy in this country to get a drivers liscense, and wy to hard to get a ticket for anything but speeding. I guess that's why we can't have an autobahn. Mike On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is what I was taught, and what I believe should be practiced. However, it is not. Therin lies the problem with me. It's about un-returned courtesy. I reached a point at which I became so frustrated with being courteous and putting wear and tear on my signall lever and bulbs, only to have most of the rest of the drivers blow off doing the same, that I just stopped. Well, actually I'm in the process of deciding what my policy will be. I know that if I'm ticketed for not sinalling, or I cause an accident, the other drivers are not the ones in trouble. Brian Mike wrote: Yes. Just use your signals all the time. Whats the big deal? Seems like much for effort to have to conciously decide oh is it okay not to use them now versus just using them all the time On 9/25/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Just use your signals all the time. Whats the big deal? Seems like much for effort to have to conciously decide oh is it okay not to use them now versus just using them all the time. The its okay becuase... excuse annoys me to no end. You sound like my girlfriend. Thats right, you drive like a woman. Mike On 9/25/06, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes C112 concept car.
There was one of these for sale on eBay a while back - i think they wanted 600k for it. My impression of the car was it was very crude, especially the interior. Mike On 9/24/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd often thought about kit cars, or one-off replicas of cars that were never kitted. Usually think of cars like GT40, Miura, or C111 with a FWD diesel drivetrain behind the seats, or sometimes a Lotus Elite, Apollo GT3500, or Cheetah with OM60x or CDI engine mounted up front. It would be interesting to see if I could cram a 4 cylinder MBZ diesel under the hood of a normal sized early 1960's Elite. The problem with those 1960's cars is that they look nice, but the aerodynamics aren't all that great, even on race cars like the GT40. I suppose I could do a Consulier GTP replica, or maybe even find a Consulier chassis and rebuild it, but I never thought of the Consulier as a pretty car. (and I've never seen one offered for sale for under $25,000) I just found a road-going MBZ with more modern aerodynamics that isn't an SLR. I think I'm in love: http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-1991-Mercedes-Benz-C-112.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 Turbo For Sale
Well, its Jarek's Car, so it would be Jarek's address. On 9/21/06, Alan Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That looks like Jarek's address to me. Alan Duff West Knoxville, TNN - Original Message - From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 Turbo For Sale http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=8839+kingston+pike+37923ie=UTF8om=1z=11ll=35.92242,-84.006958spn=0.220753,0.692139iwloc=A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Im fixing to bid on this, so nobody bid against me
More like they're old film pictures than have been scanned it. On 9/21/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'd think they could afford a decent camera...looks like they used a cheap cell phone camera. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: [MBZ] Im fixing to bid on this, so nobody bid against me http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-1954-Mercedes-Benz-Gullwing_W0QQitemZ220029935402QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6338QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Web pages updated
Want dreamweaver? It's free, I know you like that... Used it to make my webpage and I had 0 HTML knowledge when I started... Offer is good for anyone (No one tell Macromedia, though) , I'll put it on my webspace later and send a link if anyone is interested. Mike On 9/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im using office xp. I will probably switch to links or something, but I like the buttons better. Tom Hargrave wrote: I see you are using an older version of Front Page. I can tell because I have to click the buttons twice. But the web site looks great. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:33 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes-Benz Veterans List; Linux Discussion List; Biodiesel Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Web pages updated The web pages are updated, still need lots of content though. Check it out and see what you think. See the areas where we need contributions. http://www.okiebenz.com/ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Web pages updated
Well normally one would have to pay for dreamweaver, which makes my offer a good one. I've never used or heard of NVU. I did try to use frontpage, and found DreamWeaver to be many times more excellent. http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/illegaldls/dreamweaver8/ I think most people would agree that http://easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/home.html looks better than http://www.okiebenz.com/ Although at least now some of his links work, and the link gifs actually show up, which is an improvement. Mike On 9/22/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it better than NVU, which is also free? On 9/22/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Want dreamweaver? It's free, I know you like that...
Re: [MBZ] Web pages updated
Thanks for the heads up - I sync-ed from my laptop to the server and that jacked some stuff up. Doesn't really matter as they were still in development, but now that my desktop is FUBAR it may be a while before a real fix is implemented. Mike On 9/22/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check these links.they're dead Jarek's Car Service The VegOil Page -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work Quoting Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well normally one would have to pay for dreamweaver, which makes my offer a good one. I've never used or heard of NVU. I did try to use frontpage, and found DreamWeaver to be many times more excellent. http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/illegaldls/dreamweaver8/ I think most people would agree that http://easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/home.html looks better than http://www.okiebenz.com/ Although at least now some of his links work, and the link gifs actually show up, which is an improvement. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OBDII Diagnostic Scanner
For a Mercedes, it would have to be the DAS system. Costs 12-20k depending on source. But it includes WIS! Just doing my part to be of as little use as possible... Mike On 9/21/06, Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any of the OBDII Diagnostic Scan Tools that are offered for the laptop. I am thinking of buying one, but I have no idea which one is best.
Re: [MBZ] what happened to Marshall?
I was thinking the same thing the other day, so I check and his last post to the RE list was the first of the month, so I didn't say anything. On 9/21/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont recall him posting in a LONG time. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
[MBZ] 2.5 Turbo For Sale
http://easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/92turbo/92turbo.html It's way more than any of you guys will ever pay for a car, but if you don't mind looking at the page and pointing out any glaring errors before it goes on eBay, I'd appreciate it. Mike
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 Turbo For Sale
I'm pretty confident it'll do 10k on eBay - would have done more 3 months ago, but it wasn't ready then. On 9/21/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its nice, but the price sure is steep. Michael Hall wrote: http://easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/92turbo/92turbo.html It's way more than any of you guys will ever pay for a car, but if you don't mind looking at the page and pointing out any glaring errors before it goes on eBay, I'd appreciate it. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 Turbo For Sale
Its not on eBay yet, going on tonight. And I take personal offense to saying we're on the North side of knoxville. Definatly West Knoxville. North Knoxville is shady. Mike On 9/21/06, Alan Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They also have this one for sale, its on Ebay. Thinking about taking a look at it if it doesn't sell on Ebay, and making an offer. Anybody interested I can look at either car for you, they are on the north side of Knoxville. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 Turbo For Sale
Oh, yeah that one is on eBay already. On 9/21/06, Alan Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Left out the link. Here it is. http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/E300D/e300d.html Alan Duff Knoxville, TN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hold your posts
Are you serious? I was wondering what a modem was! That sounds like something from the stone age! On 9/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: I don't understand the point of your rant, why wouldn't I read my email when online? Do people still pay for a finite amount of online time, or something? I read my mail when I'm on my computer, and my computer is always online. Some people still use these things called modems, and as a result they're unable to make or receive voice calls while their computer is online. Amazing, but true! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hold your posts
16 Years of IT experiance, still can't trim his posts... Seriously though, all this gmail talk made me click the learn about our ads button in my gmail. I found the following to be of interest - Google would block certain ads from running next to an email about catastrophic news Anyone want to send me some catastrophic news offlist? The goal - make google put an ad up thats entirely innappropriate considering my catastrophic news. IE - Your Father just died - resulting in ads for funurals or caskets. I would say nothing is off limits, but send off list in case that has something to do with their ads and filtering and such (list emails usually get merecedes ads, regardless of content.) Grand Prize - A pair of good but used SEC Headlights, you pay shipping. Mike On 9/18/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, guys, let white-goatee Rev. Don step in here. You are ALL correct. Now, I have a bastardized DSL (sort of is, sort of isn't) thru my local monopoly, family owned rural Iowa phone company. But, bottom line is that I am always ... well, online. I have same access at work. I don't have to dial a phone number to be connected. I can walk out at 3 AM with shorts (or for that matter, buck naked) and check email just like I was turning on my television set. For me, GMail works. Now, if you are like Luther and live out in BumFrickStateX and are still on dial-up, then your mileage may vary. GMail might not be your thing. I like ... no, I love ... GMail for these (I am on four) Kleb / YahooTerrorist lists. It sorts and threads the messages for me, I can kill unlimited messages with a click and another click if I don't like the thread, etc. GMail isn't for everyone. Some folks are on Macs. Some folks are on WinXx. The smart folks are on Linux. Doesn't matter, we all have our own learning curve and our own needs. As an old retired IT guy, here is the ultimate question: what works for you? If it works for you, then stay with it. If it doesn't then ask questions. I am pretty confident we have well over a century or two of professional IT expertise (I have 16 years with just me) on these lists who are willing to give you free advise for which what you would normally pay $100 an hour in consulting fees. Secret message -- if you get lots of opinions and have to pick one, pick John's (KJ) -- he is our guru. He has forgotten more about IT than I ever knew. Damn'd Brits! Ok, rant over. Don On 9/18/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you serious? I was wondering what a modem was! That sounds like something from the stone age! On 9/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: I don't understand the point of your rant, why wouldn't I read my email when online? Do people still pay for a finite amount of online time, or something? I read my mail when I'm on my computer, and my computer is always online. Some people still use these things called modems, and as a result they're unable to make or receive voice calls while their computer is online. Amazing, but true!
Re: [MBZ] 1979 MB 240D 25K Orig Miles
What if records indicate that the old lady lady only drove it to church once a week every week for 27 years, 8 miles each way, with the only additional driving occuring the first Monday of every January and June, when she woud drive it the to the MB for service. Dropped of Monday morning with the instructions to preform all neccessary service, took a loaner car home and picked the 240 back up Tuesday afternoon. Brakes were flushed every 2 years, fuel tank was always topped off on the way back from church if it was showing less than 3/4 full, transmission was serviced every 3 years, radiator was flushed every 3 years, all other fluids and maintence was performed as called for in the factory manuals, including replacement of all rubber components every X years. Car was of course kept in a climate controlled garage, and the MB dealer washed and waxed it every time it was in for service. It was always located in Central California, so on the cool sunday mornings, the heater was used to keep the car warm, and then on the drive home the AC was used to keep it cool. Humidity, salt, and excessive heat are thus not issues. On 9/19/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote That car has to have been sitting for a long time - Corroded brake system, rusty fuel tank, rusty tranny gears, rusty cam lobes, gunked up radiator, etc. Could be a LOT of work/money to get nice. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1979 MB 240D 25K Orig Miles
You paid over $500 for a car? Mike On 9/19/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first car was a 79 240D, auto, 40k miles, in 1991 I paid 5.5k. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Said WOW.Tough question. If I was looking at a new car I would be looking at spending upwards of 20K...I think I would save some money and pay up to 10 or 12K for the Benz. Much better value for the money compared to the new car market. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Is it for sale? I have a whole damn spare 124 2.5 turbo laying around!! I cant find my damn compression tester, thinking I might have to buy the harbor freight kit. OK Don wrote: Compression test ? You have spare 602 engines lying around? So what do you think is causing this chugga chugga? Im thinking just pulling the motor and dropping in the other motor/trans I have and be done with it. Just wanted to see what was up with this one first. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 124 Gasser
Zoltan Finks wrote: Man, if I was interested in a gasser, I'd be investigating this, albeit with very strong suspicions. Why the heck would it be going for that price if his mileage claim is true? Brian 83 240D On 9/4/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/car/202763457.html Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT __ Looks like it has a flat black repaint? Old 300E's aint worth much anymore I guess. Mike
[MBZ] WTB: 124 Shifter surround wood, anyone?
Looking for a 124 wooden shifter surround in much better than average shape - a nice one, if you will. Can barter 124/140/126/123 and maybe even 107 parts, or pay a reasonable cash amount. Please contact me off list. TIA Mike
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] Yes, I am now the king of the SDL
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: My latest arrival, one of the nicest SDL's I have seen in a LONG time. Features brand new seat covers, brand new vacuum pump, etc. Apparanly was owned by a old military guy who spared no expense, till he died. http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/8730sdl/ Is it just me or does it still have a trap oxidizer on it? Also, People can spend a lot of money to make cars look good and still have them be pills of junk. My .02 Mike
Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question onbiodieselrelavent to this list)
But its ugly as sin. archer wrote: Hammacher Schlemmer has an electric car that will go 0-60 mph in 4 seconds, has a top speed of 120 mph, seats two, has a stainless steel frame and carbon fiber body panels, chrome moly roll cage, meets Sports Car Club of America standards, etc., etc. Price: $108,000 http://www.hammacher.com/publish/10954.asp Gerry - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verry Carefully! Fred Moir Lynn MA Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one jump (start) one of these little hermaphrodites? Tom Potter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Short??
Sounds more like a bad ground in behind your cluster plus possible battery and or charging/voltage regulator problems. Don't understand what you mean by though with the plastic ones that tend to melt the blower fuse - that one replaced with a more robust German make fuse. Good Luck Mike On 8/28/06, Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How old is the battery? On 8/28/06, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 1981 300SD has developed numerous random electrical features that seem to point toward a short somewhere, and I am in hopes of a head start on where to look first. For the past year I have had problems with the left blinker flashing continuously when the stem is centered - though it seems to just barely make the threshold to flash, and both blinkers respond properly when turned on.. 50 or so repitions of the emergency flasher switch do nothing much for the rest of that day, but the next day it stops and is no problem for a few weeks or even a month or two. A couple of days ago the oil pressure gauge suddenly went from correct operation [as far as I can tell] to pegging the 3 when the key is switched on. For the last few months [about the time my AC started acting up, I think] AC blower seems to run with the engine speed, as does the brightness of the headlights, though when I forget the lights are on for an hour [warning buzzer works when it wants to] I have no problem starting the car, with no hesitation or slowness of the starting motor. On occasion I have noted the tach jumping with the blinker, and I think once it did it with the brake light. I am hoping this mixture of random features will click with someone and a suggestion for a starting spot will come up. All the fuses were replaced 1.5 years ago, though with the plastic ones that tend to melt the blower fuse - that one replaced with a more robust German make fuse. Replacing the flasher did nothing at all. Ideas? Thanks - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 279k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500SEL 143K Stardust 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit 1992 500SL 109K The Flying Plum ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this auction gives me a funny feeling
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300-SDL-6cyl-1987-300SDL-Turbo-Diesel-Beautiful-Triple-Black-w-books_W0QQitemZ200020613591QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Why?
Re: [MBZ] this auction gives me a funny feeling
OK Don wrote: I popped the hood and opened the radiator cap, and to my surprise a huge burst of pressure came out. Sounds like a cracked 603 head ? On 8/24/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? Oh didn't read that part - just skimmed the ad. The system should hold pressure when hot, but from what he claims, it held pressure for over a month, which is kind of weird, but not necessarily a bad head. Could be an mistake, either typed or perceptive. Tranny self shifting into Neutral is also worry some. His eBay strategy is good though - make the ad so long, people skim over everything wrong with the POS, as I did on first glance. Of course, I'm not really an interested buyer either. Oh well
Re: [MBZ] G-Series?
Bob Rentfro wrote: http://tinyurl.com/gapbl What is this G-series. I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 157K '87 Acura Legend 177K Still waiting on '72 350SL 78K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com G-Series - as in Guard Series, or Guard Edition as called now, would incorporate bullet proofing/bomb proofing/ etc. If this is a true, manufactured by MB as a Guard Series vehicle, it would indeed be a VERY rare unit, as most of the era were in the 600's or 300's. Or he could just be full of it. Mike
Re: [MBZ] Very rare find --
OK Don wrote: How's the perfromance with the 5-speed? There's been speculation that a turbo Diesel won't be very responsive without the torque converter to let it spool up at lower speeds. Other than the mileage improvement and increased fun, how is it to drive? __ Yeah, our 87 only got 26-28 before the 5-speed swap - now it gets ~32, but we drive it hard. Mike Absofreakinlutly awsome. Its a bit sluggish if you start off in first with under 2000RPM - think non turbo 300D - but if you start at 2k it runs like a scalded dog. Would probably give a 300E a run for its money if you dropped it from like 3500RPM, but the clutch starts smelling if you do that too much. We were thinking about swapping the rear end to get a little better off the line pick up, but just got used to how it is and drive accordingly. With a regular launch (IE start accelerating at the same time you ease up on the clutch) our 91 2.5 turbo jumps to a little lead and then sees nothing but exhaust. Need to race a 300E someday. We're looking for another 5 speed for the 2.5/ or finding another 87. Would HIGHLY recommend. We drive it like mad around town, then get on the highway where 2000RPM is 65 in 5th and it just hums. Mike
