Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

To do this as a complete drivetrain swap would certainly be the easiest and 
most painless way to go about it.

You do a test fit to check on the major items like mounting points and for 
clearances, get those sorted, then in the whole thing goes. Once it's all in 
place and bolted up, you start sorting the details.

That's considering that you swap whatever over that you need between the test 
fit and final install.

Dan

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On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure about vacuum to the transmission modulator, or if the W116 even 
>>> had it, or only the cable/rod for getting throttle position input.
>> 
>> Doesn't the 123 use a bowden cable and the 116 a rod?
>> 
>> Mitch.
> 
> 
> All that can be unbolted from one engine and put on the other. However if the 
> engine and trans are moved as a unit, whichever system in in the donor goes 
> together.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Check the drive shaft lengths - - -

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> To do this as a complete drivetrain swap would certainly be the easiest
> and most painless way to go about it.
>
> You do a test fit to check on the major items like mounting points and for
> clearances, get those sorted, then in the whole thing goes. Once it's all
> in place and bolted up, you start sorting the details.
>
> That's considering that you swap whatever over that you need between the
> test fit and final install.
>
> Dan
>



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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Roger,

Did the engine in your W116 die?

I'm not sure about mounting and such, but the vacuum and electrical issues 
would have to be minor at best. Other than the alternator, there's nothing 
electrical on the M617 that I can recall. Vacuum will be much the same as far 
as the brake booster and accessories. Not sure about vacuum to the transmission 
modulator, or if the W116 even had it, or only the cable/rod for getting 
throttle position input.

Tell us more

Dan

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> On Sep 28, 2015, at 2:27 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried this kind of swap? Can it be done? They have different vac 
> systems for the trans, etc., but if you just come off the vac pump to the 
> normal set up, could it work? Not sure if there are any different electrical 
> harnesses that would be a problem, etc. 
> Thanks for any thoughts on this. 
> Roger 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Are the gear ratios the same (between the two transmissions?
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[MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Has anyone tried this kind of swap? Can it be done? They have different vac 
systems for the trans, etc., but if you just come off the vac pump to the 
normal set up, could it work? Not sure if there are any different electrical 
harnesses that would be a problem, etc. 
Thanks for any thoughts on this. 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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[MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Guys, 
The engines in both cars are fine. The tranny in the 116 is flacky. The tranny 
in the 123 is a rebuilt with less than 100K on it. Since a new/rebuilt tranny 
for the 116 would be more than the 123 is probably worth, I thought it might be 
worth considering having my Indy use the 123 as a donor for the 116. The 300SD 
is a much better shape car than the 123 and a smoother ride, so it might make 
sense to do that.or not. I'm just pondering and seeking advice/opinions. 
I still haven't found an answer for the 116 tranny problem. I bought the tranny 
used and my Indie installed it. If you let it shift easy (slow acceleration), 
it will shift fine or first shift when cold. If you give it medium 
acceleration, it wants to slip when it changes gears. If you accelerate hard 
and quickly let off at about 35 mph, it will jump right into 4th and runs fine. 
Once in 4th/drive it accelerates fine, except, of course, the kick down doesn't 
work, because it wants to slip. My Indie says he's checked the 
vac/modulator/linkage/etc. and all are supposedly fine. Anyone else have any 
thoughts. The kick down wasn't working correctly before and my Indie hooked it 
back up when he put in the tranny. Since the diesel doesn't really need 3rd 
gear, it would be nice to be able to just bypass it, but I don't know of any 
way to do that. 
Thanks for any suggestions, thoughts, etc. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

If the 116 has the big filter opening from above at the back of the 
engine (vs the 115 engine with the oil filter near the front, opening 
down) it will work.  Everything else just bolts to the block or head.



Roger,

Did the engine in your W116 die?

I'm not sure about mounting and such, but the vacuum and electrical 
issues would have to be minor at best. Other than the alternator, 
there's nothing electrical on the M617 that I can recall. Vacuum 
will be much the same as far as the brake booster and accessories. 
Not sure about vacuum to the transmission modulator, or if the W116 
even had it, or only the cable/rod for getting throttle position 
input.


Tell us more

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


Not sure about vacuum to the transmission modulator, or if the W116 even had 
it, or only the cable/rod for getting throttle position input.


Doesn't the 123 use a bowden cable and the 116 a rod?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


Not sure about vacuum to the transmission modulator, or if the W116 
even had it, or only the cable/rod for getting throttle position 
input.


Doesn't the 123 use a bowden cable and the 116 a rod?

Mitch.



All that can be unbolted from one engine and put on the other. 
However if the engine and trans are moved as a unit, whichever system 
in in the donor goes together.


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Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Engine/Trans into a 116 300SD

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Guys,
The engines in both cars are fine. The tranny in the 116 is flacky. 
The tranny in the 123 is a rebuilt with less than 100K on it. Since 
a new/rebuilt tranny for the 116 would be more than the 123 is 
probably worth, I thought it might be worth considering having my 
Indy use the 123 as a donor for the 116. The 300SD is a much better 
shape car than the 123 and a smoother ride, so it might make sense 
to do that.or not. I'm just pondering and seeking 
advice/opinions.
I still haven't found an answer for the 116 tranny problem. I bought 
the tranny used and my Indie installed it. If you let it shift easy 
(slow acceleration), it will shift fine or first shift when cold. If 
you give it medium acceleration, it wants to slip when it changes 
gears. If you accelerate hard and quickly let off at about 35 mph, 
it will jump right into 4th and runs fine. Once in 4th/drive it 
accelerates fine, except, of course, the kick down doesn't work, 
because it wants to slip. My Indie says he's checked the 
vac/modulator/linkage/etc. and all are supposedly fine. Anyone else 
have any thoughts. The kick down wasn't working correctly before and 
my Indie hooked it back up when he put in the tranny. Since the 
diesel doesn't really need 3rd gear, it would be nice to be able to 
just bypass it, but I don't know of any way to do that.

Thanks for any suggestions, thoughts, etc.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique)

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