Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
LT Don, Regarding the behavior of your oil gauge bouncing off zero at hot idle, consider a new oil pressure sender. They're about $20, takes 20 minutes to change (on the om603, not sure about the gasser). I was experiencing similar behavior on my '87 300TD, read a post on some forum about a new sender improving that, and sho'nuff worked like a charm. -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
And cold means you need to put on a sweater. I love talking to people from California that say Ohh a diesel car, can't start those when its cold right? and their concept of cold is freezing... -Curt --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:57 PM He lives in Oklahoma. It doesn't even snow there -- at least not at the rate we are used to. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But thats on a 601, on a 61x you can't stretch out to 12,000 miles or at least I've never heard of anybody doing it so the advantage goes way down. Until you need to start unassisted at -10F. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Where did you get it? I'm running BG synthetic. Last purchase was $18/gallon. It's made with the same base stock as Mobil 1. Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. LarryT wrote: You wrote don't know how the oil could get any hotter than it is right now. Yu can feel comfortable M1 will be able to handle any temp you might run into. The highest temperatures tend to occur around the piston crowns which can see 300F when the indicated temp is around 185F. In any case, I am confident your oil pressure problems are behind you - The minor fluttering of the needle (typically at idle) is normal. IMO it's the pulsing of the oil as the pump pushes it - Good luck -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
from the distribution guy in Tulsa. My dad's got the contact info. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you get it? I'm running BG synthetic. Last purchase was $18/gallon. It's made with the same base stock as Mobil 1. Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. LarryT wrote: You wrote don't know how the oil could get any hotter than it is right now. Yu can feel comfortable M1 will be able to handle any temp you might run into. The highest temperatures tend to occur around the piston crowns which can see 300F when the indicated temp is around 185F. In any case, I am confident your oil pressure problems are behind you - The minor fluttering of the needle (typically at idle) is normal. IMO it's the pulsing of the oil as the pump pushes it - Good luck -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
You asked Is there a Mobil-1 for small engines? I bought a Toro LawnMower last year and the OM said to use straight 30W but if I wanted to use a synthetic I should use 10W40 and should expect increased oil usage. Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) For small engines like that with no oil filter a non-detergent oil is generally recommended. They don't suspend dirt so much, so it tends to settle out instead of remaining in suspension with nothing to ever filter it out. Is there a Mobil-1 for small engines? Allan On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:26:30 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My 5hp snow blower convinced me of the goodness of Mobile1. At 0° it was very difficult to pull start when cold. Once warmed it would start right up. I put in Mobile1, Always starts easy. That's why I ran Delvac1 in my 300SDL for about 100Kmi. I use Mobile1 in my HHR in respect of it's 10Kmi oil change cycle. In my PowerChoke, I use Rotella, cheap and starts fine with big duel batteries. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:17:19 -0800, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Wow, learn something new every day. I have an el-cheapo Chinese generator that I'm rather fond of. 4500W supposedly, looks like a knockoff of an old Honda engine, and starts on the first pull every time. It definitely has no oil filter. The owner's manual gives recommended weights for different temperature ranges (along with spark plug recommendations, again depending on ambient temperature and expected load---when was the last time you saw that?), but says nothing about non-detergent oil. What should I be looking for at FLAPS? I don't know about FLAPS. Sears stocked it last time I went looking for it. Maybe try a lawn and garden or outdoor equipment shop if they don't. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
The small engines have no pump or filter. They have roller bearings and are splash lubricated. It's still good to use detergent oil in these. The detergent will keep the dirt in suspension so that you pull it out with every oil change. Everyone does change their lawnmower snow blower oil once a year, don't they? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:17 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For small engines like that with no oil filter a non-detergent oil is generally recommended. They don't suspend dirt so much, so it tends to settle out instead of remaining in suspension with nothing to ever filter it out. Wow, learn something new every day. I have an el-cheapo Chinese generator that I'm rather fond of. 4500W supposedly, looks like a knockoff of an old Honda engine, and starts on the first pull every time. It definitely has no oil filter. The owner's manual gives recommended weights for different temperature ranges (along with spark plug recommendations, again depending on ambient temperature and expected load---when was the last time you saw that?), but says nothing about non-detergent oil. What should I be looking for at FLAPS? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date: 11/4/2008 8:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date: 11/4/2008 8:26 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Think so? I was rather counting on M1's ability to float and crud around so I could drain it out later. Unlike a bigger engine with a serious sump theres not really anywhere good for the crud to settle out to in a small engine. -Curt - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) For small engines like that with no oil filter a non-detergent oil is generally recommended. They don't suspend dirt so much, so it tends to settle out instead of remaining in suspension with nothing to ever filter it out. Is there a Mobil-1 for small engines? Allan On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:26:30 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My 5hp snow blower convinced me of the goodness of Mobile1. At 0? it was very difficult to pull start when cold. Once warmed it would start right up. I put in Mobile1, Always starts easy. That's why I ran Delvac1 in my 300SDL for about 100Kmi. I use Mobile1 in my HHR in respect of it's 10Kmi oil change cycle. In my PowerChoke, I use Rotella, cheap and starts fine with big duel batteries. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Think so? I was rather counting on M1's ability to float and crud around so I could drain it out later. Unlike a bigger engine with a serious sump theres not really anywhere good for the crud to settle out to in a small engine. That's what I recall reading in most of the owner's manuals. Non-detergent, straight 30W oil was typically recommended. I don't know what's worse, having all the dirt in suspension (abrasive) but being able to drain it out, or having it settle out but then maybe sludging up the bottom of the case over time. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
-- Original message -- From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oil analysis costs more than a five quart jug of Mobil 1. Collage cost more than Primary School. By doing a series of oil analysis on my 603, I was able to conclude that with my driving style, my oil was 75% depleted in 20Kmi. That's when I changed it for the rest of the time I owned the car. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Not much of a choice is it? I personally prefer the idea that the detergent action will remove carbon buildup or help keep it from forming. I wanted to check the manual for my '64 Cub Cadet 70 but I can't find it... Drat. -Curt --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 11:59 AM Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Think so? I was rather counting on M1's ability to float and crud around so I could drain it out later. Unlike a bigger engine with a serious sump theres not really anywhere good for the crud to settle out to in a small engine. That's what I recall reading in most of the owner's manuals. Non-detergent, straight 30W oil was typically recommended. I don't know what's worse, having all the dirt in suspension (abrasive) but being able to drain it out, or having it settle out but then maybe sludging up the bottom of the case over time. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: I wanted to check the manual for my '64 Cub Cadet 70 but I can't find it... Drat. http://ihregistry.com/manuals/op/70_100.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Nice. It only says to use SAE 30wt for service MS. Apparently MS stood for motor severe and was replaced with SC. Thats just from a quick search though... I can say from experience that my Cub leaks less with M1 5w40 than M1 10w30... I only ever used 10w30 in the Dakota. I don't do my own changes in the Dakota because of the horrible filter location and Speedee where I take it doesn't stock 5w40. So now it gets a change with 10w30 and top up with 5w40, doesn't seem to hurt anything and I get to stock one less oil. My goal by this time next year is to have M1 5w40 in most everything. The only wild card is when I replace the Dakota. I presume an '05 Dakota would use 5w20... -Curt --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:28 PM Curt Raymond wrote: I wanted to check the manual for my '64 Cub Cadet 70 but I can't find it... Drat. http://ihregistry.com/manuals/op/70_100.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
My lawnmower is my snowplow so it gets changed TWICE a year... ;) -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:37:27 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 The small engines have no pump or filter. They have roller bearings and are splash lubricated. It's still good to use detergent oil in these. The detergent will keep the dirt in suspension so that you pull it out with every oil change. Everyone does change their lawnmower snow blower oil once a year, don't they? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
-- Original message -- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] The small engines have no pump or filter. They have roller bearings and are splash lubricated. I've taken more than a few apart, all have had sleeve bearings. It's still good to use detergent oil in these. The detergent will keep the dirt in suspension so that you pull it out with every oil change. I agree, the cleaning action helps to keep rings free. Everyone does change their lawnmower snow blower oil once a year, don't they? And my generator, all use Mobil1. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Luther wrote: I'm running BG synthetic. Last purchase was $18/gallon. It's made with the same base stock as Mobil 1. I got sticker shock at Wal-Mart last week. $26 for five quarts of M1. A year ago, I grabbed four bottles at $19.97ea, and it was 22.97 just this past August. $65 a barrel oil will hopefully bring the cost back down by spring. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
My 5hp snow blower convinced me of the goodness of Mobile1. At 0° it was very difficult to pull start when cold. Once warmed it would start right up. I put in Mobile1, Always starts easy. That's why I ran Delvac1 in my 300SDL for about 100Kmi. I use Mobile1 in my HHR in respect of it's 10Kmi oil change cycle. In my PowerChoke, I use Rotella, cheap and starts fine with big duel batteries. Pete -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got an old White lawnmower on the farm thats mowed a million miles and was getting really hard to start. Dad blew a rod in our good lawnmower and I had to push the old white back into service. I changed it to M1 as a matter of course since I put it in everything. After running for a couple hours the dammed thing started better than it had in years and had noticably more power. I was floored. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
At one point when I was living in an apartment with my 240D I'd threatened to put dual batteries in, theres space under the hood, and put 24v to the starter for those really cold mornings. Marshall FREAKED... He did send me a message once that he liked my battery in the trunk to power an inverter and thus the block heater... -Curt --- On Tue, 11/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:26 AM My 5hp snow blower convinced me of the goodness of Mobile1. At 0° it was very difficult to pull start when cold. Once warmed it would start right up. I put in Mobile1, Always starts easy. That's why I ran Delvac1 in my 300SDL for about 100Kmi. I use Mobile1 in my HHR in respect of it's 10Kmi oil change cycle. In my PowerChoke, I use Rotella, cheap and starts fine with big duel batteries. Pete -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got an old White lawnmower on the farm thats mowed a million miles and was getting really hard to start. Dad blew a rod in our good lawnmower and I had to push the old white back into service. I changed it to M1 as a matter of course since I put it in everything. After running for a couple hours the dammed thing started better than it had in years and had noticably more power. I was floored. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Allan Streib wrote: For small engines like that with no oil filter a non-detergent oil is generally recommended. They don't suspend dirt so much, so it tends to settle out instead of remaining in suspension with nothing to ever filter it out. Is there a Mobil-1 for small engines? There are motorcycle M-1 oils, but those are high detergent. Even Briggs Stratton oil is detergent now. And I'm not eager to fill my hot running air cooled equipment with compressor oil. I just use the same 15W50 that goes in the 300E. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
For small engines like that with no oil filter a non-detergent oil is generally recommended. They don't suspend dirt so much, so it tends to settle out instead of remaining in suspension with nothing to ever filter it out. Is there a Mobil-1 for small engines? Allan On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:26:30 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My 5hp snow blower convinced me of the goodness of Mobile1. At 0° it was very difficult to pull start when cold. Once warmed it would start right up. I put in Mobile1, Always starts easy. That's why I ran Delvac1 in my 300SDL for about 100Kmi. I use Mobile1 in my HHR in respect of it's 10Kmi oil change cycle. In my PowerChoke, I use Rotella, cheap and starts fine with big duel batteries. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For small engines like that with no oil filter a non-detergent oil is generally recommended. They don't suspend dirt so much, so it tends to settle out instead of remaining in suspension with nothing to ever filter it out. Wow, learn something new every day. I have an el-cheapo Chinese generator that I'm rather fond of. 4500W supposedly, looks like a knockoff of an old Honda engine, and starts on the first pull every time. It definitely has no oil filter. The owner's manual gives recommended weights for different temperature ranges (along with spark plug recommendations, again depending on ambient temperature and expected load---when was the last time you saw that?), but says nothing about non-detergent oil. What should I be looking for at FLAPS? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
The recommendation I remember from my lawn mowers was to use straight 30W oil, as they run rather hot and multiviscosity oils are too thin at high temperature. I have never seen a recommendation for non-detergent oil, and I have absolutely no idea why anyone would use such a thing, even if you COULD find it. Why do you want the rings to stick in the piston? Peter On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Allan Streib wrote: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Think so? I was rather counting on M1's ability to float and crud around so I could drain it out later. Unlike a bigger engine with a serious sump theres not really anywhere good for the crud to settle out to in a small engine. That's what I recall reading in most of the owner's manuals. Non-detergent, straight 30W oil was typically recommended. I don't know what's worse, having all the dirt in suspension (abrasive) but being able to drain it out, or having it settle out but then maybe sludging up the bottom of the case over time. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Wonko the Sane wrote: Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. I'd run the 15W-50. Because... After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. ...My 617 didn't seem to care what oil I used, but minimum hot oil pressure on my 119 is a good .5 bar higher with 15W-50 vice 0W-40, and that makes me happy. I suspect your 103 will respond similarly. That 5W-30 is way too thin for a Mercedes engine, anyway. Not very scientific, but there you go. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
My experience has always been main bearing problem = low oil pressure at speed. Seems like the viscosity may be too low - It's *supposed* to go to the peg by 3000rpm = For a 300E gasser I'd run 15W50 year round - possibly 20W50 if available and it is a hot area of the country - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) I don't think you are being anal. Oil pressure that bounces between 0 - 1 BAR at idle then goes full scale at road speed is not the gauge, it's the oil pump or main bearings! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Is that the gauge or the sending unit? I'd like to fix it. Just so you don't think I am totally anal -- not yet to be ruled out -- I had the philosophy drilled into my head for years that you *trust your gauges* (while having fun way up there in the sky, and actually being paid to do it) and react accordingly. If oil pressure falls to 0 on one of the engines, you don't say, Oh, the gauge is flaky. You beat feet for the nearest airport and review your feather-engine checklist. Occupational hazard I just can't seem to shake. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Well these guages are electrical, its quite obvious to look at it that its jumping around from electrical issues. When I had it it would jump up to 3 at idle often. Quite common problem on these cars. My experience has always been main bearing problem = low oil pressure at speed. Seems like the viscosity may be too low - It's *supposed* to go to the peg by 3000rpm = For a 300E gasser I'd run 15W50 year round - possibly 20W50 if available and it is a hot area of the country - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) I don't think you are being anal. Oil pressure that bounces between 0 - 1 BAR at idle then goes full scale at road speed is not the gauge, it's the oil pump or main bearings! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Is that the gauge or the sending unit? I'd like to fix it. Just so you don't think I am totally anal -- not yet to be ruled out -- I had the philosophy drilled into my head for years that you *trust your gauges* (while having fun way up there in the sky, and actually being paid to do it) and react accordingly. If oil pressure falls to 0 on one of the engines, you don't say, Oh, the gauge is flaky. You beat feet for the nearest airport and review your feather-engine checklist. Occupational hazard I just can't seem to shake. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
I took two 300E's well past 300,000 miles and saw no electrical issues with either. But you are right, it's easy to tell the difference. If the jumping around is random then it's electrical. If it's not so random (pulsing at idle, drops at warm-up) then its not electrical. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Well these guages are electrical, its quite obvious to look at it that its jumping around from electrical issues. When I had it it would jump up to 3 at idle often. Quite common problem on these cars. My experience has always been main bearing problem = low oil pressure at speed. Seems like the viscosity may be too low - It's *supposed* to go to the peg by 3000rpm = For a 300E gasser I'd run 15W50 year round - possibly 20W50 if available and it is a hot area of the country - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) I don't think you are being anal. Oil pressure that bounces between 0 - 1 BAR at idle then goes full scale at road speed is not the gauge, it's the oil pump or main bearings! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Is that the gauge or the sending unit? I'd like to fix it. Just so you don't think I am totally anal -- not yet to be ruled out -- I had the philosophy drilled into my head for years that you *trust your gauges* (while having fun way up there in the sky, and actually being paid to do it) and react accordingly. If oil pressure falls to 0 on one of the engines, you don't say, Oh, the gauge is flaky. You beat feet for the nearest airport and review your feather-engine checklist. Occupational hazard I just can't seem to shake. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
i hate to agree with kleb, but i think he is right here. according to the gauge, the ex wife's 300E was driving with zero oil pressue at idle for years, which then shot up to 3 bar when driving. then i changed the sender and now it is pretty normal. if you are really running the car with no oil pressure, problems would become manifest pretty quickly. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well these guages are electrical, its quite obvious to look at it that its jumping around from electrical issues. When I had it it would jump up to 3 at idle often. Quite common problem on these cars. My experience has always been main bearing problem = low oil pressure at speed. Seems like the viscosity may be too low - It's *supposed* to go to the peg by 3000rpm = For a 300E gasser I'd run 15W50 year round - possibly 20W50 if available and it is a hot area of the country - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) I don't think you are being anal. Oil pressure that bounces between 0 - 1 BAR at idle then goes full scale at road speed is not the gauge, it's the oil pump or main bearings! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Is that the gauge or the sending unit? I'd like to fix it. Just so you don't think I am totally anal -- not yet to be ruled out -- I had the philosophy drilled into my head for years that you *trust your gauges* (while having fun way up there in the sky, and actually being paid to do it) and react accordingly. If oil pressure falls to 0 on one of the engines, you don't say, Oh, the gauge is flaky. You beat feet for the nearest airport and review your feather-engine checklist. Occupational hazard I just can't seem to shake. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Do you have Autozone out there? Our Autozone has all (or most anyway) of the weights of Mobil 1 including 5w40 (my current fave). If they don't have it be sure to ask and when the counter weenie gives you no satisfaction make sure you write to Autozone with your tale of displeasure. The regional guy will give you a CALL (mine did anyway) and probably fix the problem. In my case I was complaining that the store I go to doesn't stock enough 5w40, they were getting 1 case of 5w40 every 2 weeks and it was always gone. When the guy called he said that was a good thing because it ment they were meeting demand. I pointed out that meeting demand ment there would be one there when I demanded it, thus my demand... He seemed to understand and the counter weenie tells me they now get 2 cases every 2 weeks. 4 times a year I go in and buy all of them... -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:58:30 -0600 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Be careful using the Mobil site for oil suggestions for older cars. Their focus is on newer cars - most of their customers drive cars less than 8 years old IMO so when asked about a car that's ~15 yrs old their info may be a little skewed. They may however have some oils specifically for older cars - but I doubt it will be a 0W anything - If it were my car I'd drain the Kendall 5W30 and put some M1 15W40 or 50 in. Good luck - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
The only way to be 100% sure is to hook up an mechanical oil gauge to the motor, to get an idea of what the 'actual' oil pressure is. Hendrik Tom Hargrave wrote: I don't think you are being anal. Oil pressure that bounces between 0 - 1 BAR at idle then goes full scale at road speed is not the gauge, it's the oil pump or main bearings! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
You are in the minority then. Its been my experience after 20 years, sometimes less, they all pretty much do it. In fact, my old 94 E420 even did it. Usually when you turn the key on before the engine is even running you will see the guage flicker, sometimes move as far up as half. Its the sender is completely bad, or the ground, it will go to full. Tom Hargrave wrote: I took two 300E's well past 300,000 miles and saw no electrical issues with either. But you are right, it's easy to tell the difference. If the jumping around is random then it's electrical. If it's not so random (pulsing at idle, drops at warm-up) then its not electrical. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Well these guages are electrical, its quite obvious to look at it that its jumping around from electrical issues. When I had it it would jump up to 3 at idle often. Quite common problem on these cars. My experience has always been main bearing problem = low oil pressure at speed. Seems like the viscosity may be too low - It's *supposed* to go to the peg by 3000rpm = For a 300E gasser I'd run 15W50 year round - possibly 20W50 if available and it is a hot area of the country - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) I don't think you are being anal. Oil pressure that bounces between 0 - 1 BAR at idle then goes full scale at road speed is not the gauge, it's the oil pump or main bearings! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Is that the gauge or the sending unit? I'd like to fix it. Just so you don't think I am totally anal -- not yet to be ruled out -- I had the philosophy drilled into my head for years that you *trust your gauges* (while having fun way up there in the sky, and actually being paid to do it) and react accordingly. If oil pressure falls to 0 on one of the engines, you don't say, Oh, the gauge is flaky. You beat feet for the nearest airport and review your feather-engine checklist. Occupational hazard I just can't seem to shake. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
yea, if it really had 0 pressure, you would hear problems. Gary Hurst wrote: i hate to agree with kleb, but i think he is right here. according to the gauge, the ex wife's 300E was driving with zero oil pressue at idle for years, which then shot up to 3 bar when driving. then i changed the sender and now it is pretty normal. if you are really running the car with no oil pressure, problems would become manifest pretty quickly. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
The gauge in my 190D flickers when I put the key on and the engine is off, dances a bit from 0 to 1.5 or so, taps against the stop. Start the car and it balances out some but flickers now from .5 to 2 or so. Once I get it above 1500 rpm or so it sits at 3. I figure if I'm moving and it comes down off the peg I should shut the car off so it doesn't need to be real accurate... -Curt Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:29:09 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You are in the minority then. Its been my experience after 20 years, sometimes less, they all pretty much do it. In fact, my old 94 E420 even did it. Usually when you turn the key on before the engine is even running you will see the guage flicker, sometimes move as far up as half. Its the sender is completely bad, or the ground, it will go to full. Tom Hargrave wrote: I took two 300E's well past 300,000 miles and saw no electrical issues with either. But you are right, it's easy to tell the difference. If the jumping around is random then it's electrical. If it's not so random (pulsing at idle, drops at warm-up) then its not electrical. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
The 300E has been drained of the Kendall 5W-30 and refilled with Mobil 1 15W-50. Finished about 3 minutes ago. I didn't change the filter but how it is mounted -- pretty much upside down -- suggests 99% of any Kendall in there had drained out. The filter has only 400 miles on it. Noticed in the owner's manual (while checking for how much oil to pour in) that 15W-50 is a recommended viscosity. D. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:54 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful using the Mobil site for oil suggestions for older cars. Their focus is on newer cars - most of their customers drive cars less than 8 years old IMO so when asked about a car that's ~15 yrs old their info may be a little skewed. They may however have some oils specifically for older cars - but I doubt it will be a 0W anything - If it were my car I'd drain the Kendall 5W30 and put some M1 15W40 or 50 in. Good luck - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 300E has been drained of the Kendall 5W-30 and refilled with Mobil 1 15W-50. Finished about 3 minutes ago. I didn't change the filter but how it is mounted -- pretty much upside down -- suggests 99% of any Kendall in there had drained out. Bzzt, wrong. You have to poke a hole in the top to let air in or you won't get much of anything out of the filter. I think Performance Products will sell you a Hazet oil-filter-poking tool for $150 or so. ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I will buy that and the cluster pulling tools in the same cabinet. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 300E has been drained of the Kendall 5W-30 and refilled with Mobil 1 15W-50. Finished about 3 minutes ago. I didn't change the filter but how it is mounted -- pretty much upside down -- suggests 99% of any Kendall in there had drained out. Bzzt, wrong. You have to poke a hole in the top to let air in or you won't get much of anything out of the filter. I think Performance Products will sell you a Hazet oil-filter-poking tool for $150 or so. ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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With Mobil 1 15W-50 now in the crankcase (and the car well warmed up), the oil pressure needle sits at 2.5 (very little bouncing) at idle. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If the needle sits more even with nothing more than an oil change, the issue is not electrical. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) With Mobil 1 15W-50 now in the crankcase (and the car well warmed up), the oil pressure needle sits at 2.5 (very little bouncing) at idle. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This tells me that the issue is not electrical. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 11/3/08 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) With Mobil 1 15W-50 now in the crankcase (and the car well warmed up), the oil pressure needle sits at 2.5 (very little bouncing) at idle. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The test was done with the engine hot (a two mile drive to pick up pizza), not 35 miles at Interstate speeds as I did on Sunday before the needle hit zero. I won't know for sure until the next road trip, but I have to think Mobil 1 will improve things. And initial indications are promising. And, I don't know how the oil could get any hotter than it is right now. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the needle sits more even with nothing more than an oil change, the issue is not electrical. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) With Mobil 1 15W-50 now in the crankcase (and the car well warmed up), the oil pressure needle sits at 2.5 (very little bouncing) at idle. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
At what point did the oil pressure gauge go to electrical? My 78 240D has a pressure tube going to the gauge from a fitting on the oil filter housing (IIRC). Haven't bothered to find out how the '91 300D gauge works - but mine has aways been smooth - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) The only way to be 100% sure is to hook up an mechanical oil gauge to the motor, to get an idea of what the 'actual' oil pressure is. Hendrik Tom Hargrave wrote: I don't think you are being anal. Oil pressure that bounces between 0 - 1 BAR at idle then goes full scale at road speed is not the gauge, it's the oil pump or main bearings! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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good move - ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) The 300E has been drained of the Kendall 5W-30 and refilled with Mobil 1 15W-50. Finished about 3 minutes ago. I didn't change the filter but how it is mounted -- pretty much upside down -- suggests 99% of any Kendall in there had drained out. The filter has only 400 miles on it. Noticed in the owner's manual (while checking for how much oil to pour in) that 15W-50 is a recommended viscosity. D. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:54 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful using the Mobil site for oil suggestions for older cars. Their focus is on newer cars - most of their customers drive cars less than 8 years old IMO so when asked about a car that's ~15 yrs old their info may be a little skewed. They may however have some oils specifically for older cars - but I doubt it will be a 0W anything - If it were my car I'd drain the Kendall 5W30 and put some M1 15W40 or 50 in. Good luck - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Mine does as well ('77 240D). I have an oil spot on the leg of my favorite
pair of jeans to prove it. (Cluster removal.)
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:09 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At what point did the oil pressure gauge go to electrical? My 78 240D has
a pressure tube going to the gauge from a fitting on the oil filter housing
(IIRC).
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Is that the $.99 ice pick with wooden Hazet burned into the handle that sells for $22.99? ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 300E has been drained of the Kendall 5W-30 and refilled with Mobil 1 15W-50. Finished about 3 minutes ago. I didn't change the filter but how it is mounted -- pretty much upside down -- suggests 99% of any Kendall in there had drained out. Bzzt, wrong. You have to poke a hole in the top to let air in or you won't get much of anything out of the filter. I think Performance Products will sell you a Hazet oil-filter-poking tool for $150 or so. ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Didn't even have to go out and buy the oil. I stockpile big jugs of Mobil 1 15W-50 like a hooker stockpiles condoms. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:10 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good move - ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How do you know what a hooker stockpiles? Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Didn't even have to go out and buy the oil. I stockpile big jugs of Mobil 1 15W-50 like a hooker stockpiles condoms. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:10 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good move - ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You wrote don't know how the oil could get any hotter than it is right now. Yu can feel comfortable M1 will be able to handle any temp you might run into. The highest temperatures tend to occur around the piston crowns which can see 300F when the indicated temp is around 185F. In any case, I am confident your oil pressure problems are behind you - The minor fluttering of the needle (typically at idle) is normal. IMO it's the pulsing of the oil as the pump pushes it - Good luck -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) The test was done with the engine hot (a two mile drive to pick up pizza), not 35 miles at Interstate speeds as I did on Sunday before the needle hit zero. I won't know for sure until the next road trip, but I have to think Mobil 1 will improve things. And initial indications are promising. And, I don't know how the oil could get any hotter than it is right now. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the needle sits more even with nothing more than an oil change, the issue is not electrical. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) With Mobil 1 15W-50 now in the crankcase (and the car well warmed up), the oil pressure needle sits at 2.5 (very little bouncing) at idle. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
ANSWER ONE: Exhaustive research. _ ANSWER TWO: I read it on the Internet, so it must be true. Besides, my last tour in the Coast Guard was in the CGHQ Office of Logistics Management. We knew everything about supply and stockpiling. __ ANSWER THREE: I have no experience in that arena, but it sounded like a good response. [#3 is the true answer.] D. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know what a hooker stockpiles? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
My 81 240D is mechanical. The 126 is electronic, at least by 86
300SDL. I think 124 are electric. It is kinda nice not to have to
unhook the oil pressure line to pull the cluster. On my 110 200D, I
solved that problem years ago by cutting the line, adding a
compression T and a 100 PSI SW gauge, then adding a 2-3 foot coil of
nylon tubing to the cluster. Ever since, whenever I need to pull the
cluster, I just pull the cluster. When the cluster is out, I can
easily unscrew the oil line to the pressure gauge.
What I found out is that with a new factory short block and a new oil
pump, it runs 86 PSI at operating speeds when fully warmed up using
30 W dino or 10-40 dino oil. That is why the OE gauges peg at 3
bar/45 PSI under most conditions.
At 08:10 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
Mine does as well ('77 240D). I have an oil spot on the leg of my favorite
pair of jeans to prove it. (Cluster removal.)
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:09 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At what point did the oil pressure gauge go to electrical? My 78 240D has
a pressure tube going to the gauge from a fitting on the oil filter housing
(IIRC).
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All 124's and 126;s and later are. The early 201 was not, all 123's are not. LarryT wrote: At what point did the oil pressure gauge go to electrical? My 78 240D has a pressure tube going to the gauge from a fitting on the oil filter housing (IIRC). Haven't bothered to find out how the '91 300D gauge works - but mine has aways been smooth - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) The only way to be 100% sure is to hook up an mechanical oil gauge to the motor, to get an idea of what the 'actual' oil pressure is. Hendrik Tom Hargrave wrote: I don't think you are being anal. Oil pressure that bounces between 0 - 1 BAR at idle then goes full scale at road speed is not the gauge, it's the oil pump or main bearings! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. LarryT wrote: You wrote don't know how the oil could get any hotter than it is right now. Yu can feel comfortable M1 will be able to handle any temp you might run into. The highest temperatures tend to occur around the piston crowns which can see 300F when the indicated temp is around 185F. In any case, I am confident your oil pressure problems are behind you - The minor fluttering of the needle (typically at idle) is normal. IMO it's the pulsing of the oil as the pump pushes it - Good luck -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts . - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) The test was done with the engine hot (a two mile drive to pick up pizza), not 35 miles at Interstate speeds as I did on Sunday before the needle hit zero. I won't know for sure until the next road trip, but I have to think Mobil 1 will improve things. And initial indications are promising. And, I don't know how the oil could get any hotter than it is right now. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the needle sits more even with nothing more than an oil change, the issue is not electrical. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) With Mobil 1 15W-50 now in the crankcase (and the car well warmed up), the oil pressure needle sits at 2.5 (very little bouncing) at idle. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
I started using it in my 1978 Pinto (purchased new) and have never looked back. I have even used it in lawn mowers. But in your case, you never own a car long enough to realize the payback. The investment in Mobil 1 is only cost effective for those of us who plan to drive a car until the wheels fall off. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Through the 123 anyway, my '83 240D has live oil, my '85 190D (201) does not.
The first time I ever removed the cluster from the 240D I put a balloon over
the hose as I thought it might drip (it doesn't). It was cold out and I was
doing something else in the car while waiting for some glue to dry in the
cluster and I thought I'd just start the car and run the heat...
Fortunately I noticed the balloon before it exploded but I did manage to
dribble oil which you can still see on the foam inside the dash...
-Curt
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Mine does as well ('77 240D). I have an oil spot on the leg of my favorite
pair of jeans to prove it. (Cluster removal.)
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Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But in your case, you never own a car long enough to realize the payback. The investment in Mobil 1 is only cost effective for those of us who plan to drive a car until the wheels fall off. If you extend your change intervals to the limit (based on oil analysis) it can be cost-effective very quickly. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oil analysis costs more than a five quart jug of Mobil 1. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But in your case, you never own a car long enough to realize the payback. The investment in Mobil 1 is only cost effective for those of us who plan to drive a car until the wheels fall off. If you extend your change intervals to the limit (based on oil analysis) it can be cost-effective very quickly. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What kind of mileage are you driving? I do ~550 miles a week, lets say 2000 a month to make it easy. Thats just commuting for work mind you, real numbers are higher. 5 quarts of M1 5w40 @$6/qt ($5.60 last time I bought I think) is $30, vs $15 for Delvac 1300. 2000 a month is 24,000 a year. I've been changing at 12,000 miles lately so lets assume I don't bother to keep working up to 15,000. Thats 2 changes a year with M1. We'll need 10 quarts of M1, so $60, 2 filters from Bimby at $7 apiece, total $74. If I were using Delvac 1300 I might go 5,000 miles on a change, so lets say 4 changes a year and 4 filters is $88. Lets say it takes 1 hour to do the job, my time is worth at least $25 an hour. Add $50 to M1 for a grand total of $124. $100 added to Delvac 1300 gives us $188. I'm not including disposal of twice as much oil or twice as many filters either. I haven't said anything about improved starting or quieter lifters that my 190D definately gets with M1... But thats on a 601, on a 61x you can't stretch out to 12,000 miles or at least I've never heard of anybody doing it so the advantage goes way down. Until you need to start unassisted at -10F. -Curt Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:30:12 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've got an old White lawnmower on the farm thats mowed a million miles and was getting really hard to start. Dad blew a rod in our good lawnmower and I had to push the old white back into service. I changed it to M1 as a matter of course since I put it in everything. After running for a couple hours the dammed thing started better than it had in years and had noticably more power. I was floored. I still junked it the following summer when I got a new good mower (the Montgomery Ward itsn't really all that good) but I'm convinced M1 bought us a summer we probably shouldn't have had. -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:36:09 -0600 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I started using it in my 1978 Pinto (purchased new) and have never looked back. I have even used it in lawn mowers. But in your case, you never own a car long enough to realize the payback. The investment in Mobil 1 is only cost effective for those of us who plan to drive a car until the wheels fall off. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He lives in Oklahoma. It doesn't even snow there -- at least not at the rate we are used to. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But thats on a 601, on a 61x you can't stretch out to 12,000 miles or at least I've never heard of anybody doing it so the advantage goes way down. Until you need to start unassisted at -10F. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. When I can't find Mobil-1 (rare lately, but used to happen more often) I would use Delo 400 which Marshall used to say was an excellent conventional oil for diesels. Not as good as M1, but very good oil, and not nearly as expensive. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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well, I always plan to do that, but it never seems to work out that way. Wonko the Sane wrote: I started using it in my 1978 Pinto (purchased new) and have never looked back. I have even used it in lawn mowers. But in your case, you never own a car long enough to realize the payback. The investment in Mobil 1 is only cost effective for those of us who plan to drive a car until the wheels fall off. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think people on here are going 15-20k on M1. But, you also got to factor in if your car burns or leaks, would be more expensive to have to replace the oil in between changes. Curt Raymond wrote: What kind of mileage are you driving? I do ~550 miles a week, lets say 2000 a month to make it easy. Thats just commuting for work mind you, real numbers are higher. 5 quarts of M1 5w40 @$6/qt ($5.60 last time I bought I think) is $30, vs $15 for Delvac 1300. 2000 a month is 24,000 a year. I've been changing at 12,000 miles lately so lets assume I don't bother to keep working up to 15,000. Thats 2 changes a year with M1. We'll need 10 quarts of M1, so $60, 2 filters from Bimby at $7 apiece, total $74. If I were using Delvac 1300 I might go 5,000 miles on a change, so lets say 4 changes a year and 4 filters is $88. Lets say it takes 1 hour to do the job, my time is worth at least $25 an hour. Add $50 to M1 for a grand total of $124. $100 added to Delvac 1300 gives us $188. I'm not including disposal of twice as much oil or twice as many filters either. I haven't said anything about improved starting or quieter lifters that my 190D definately gets with M1... But thats on a 601, on a 61x you can't stretch out to 12,000 miles or at least I've never heard of anybody doing it so the advantage goes way down. Until you need to start unassisted at -10F. -Curt Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:30:12 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
With Mobil 1 15W-50 now in the crankcase (and the car well warmed up), the oil pressure needle sits at 2.5 (very little bouncing) at idle. Don- I used Delo 400 for a change in my '92 300e and went through something similar; replaced with Delvac 1300 and pressure was back to normal. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
#3 same here. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) ANSWER ONE: Exhaustive research. _ ANSWER TWO: I read it on the Internet, so it must be true. Besides, my last tour in the Coast Guard was in the CGHQ Office of Logistics Management. We knew everything about supply and stockpiling. __ ANSWER THREE: I have no experience in that arena, but it sounded like a good response. [#3 is the true answer.] D. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know what a hooker stockpiles? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
My 124 300D is elec.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
My 81 240D is mechanical. The 126 is electronic, at least by 86
300SDL. I think 124 are electric. It is kinda nice not to have to
unhook the oil pressure line to pull the cluster. On my 110 200D, I
solved that problem years ago by cutting the line, adding a
compression T and a 100 PSI SW gauge, then adding a 2-3 foot coil of
nylon tubing to the cluster. Ever since, whenever I need to pull the
cluster, I just pull the cluster. When the cluster is out, I can
easily unscrew the oil line to the pressure gauge.
What I found out is that with a new factory short block and a new oil
pump, it runs 86 PSI at operating speeds when fully warmed up using
30 W dino or 10-40 dino oil. That is why the OE gauges peg at 3
bar/45 PSI under most conditions.
At 08:10 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
Mine does as well ('77 240D). I have an oil spot on the leg of my
favorite
pair of jeans to prove it. (Cluster removal.)
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:09 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At what point did the oil pressure gauge go to electrical? My 78 240D
has
a pressure tube going to the gauge from a fitting on the oil filter
housing
(IIRC).
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Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
I'm running BG synthetic. Last purchase was $18/gallon. It's made with the same base stock as Mobil 1. Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of oil, Im still back and forth with the mobile one thing, mostly because I dont want to spend that much for oil. But I usually run delvac 1300 and its gone up to almost $12 for a gallon jug at wally world. LarryT wrote: You wrote don't know how the oil could get any hotter than it is right now. Yu can feel comfortable M1 will be able to handle any temp you might run into. The highest temperatures tend to occur around the piston crowns which can see 300F when the indicated temp is around 185F. In any case, I am confident your oil pressure problems are behind you - The minor fluttering of the needle (typically at idle) is normal. IMO it's the pulsing of the oil as the pump pushes it - Good luck -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. Mobil 1 web site recommends 0W-40 for my 300E. Not to be found around here, even at the Mega SuperWalMart in Ames. They had a shelf tag for it but when I asked the automotive manager about availability, he sort of laughed. Not a lost conversation though, because I think he is going to up his stock of 15W-50 after our chat about diesel Benz oil recommendations. Given that I have successfully used 15W-50 in my 240D, I can't see any reason why I can't run it in my 300E. The 15W-50 flows well in really cold temperatures and I can't see any downside of having -40 rather than -50. As an aside, the local Goodyear shop chose to pour in Kendall 5W-30 (the invoice said semi-synthetic, whatever that means) when I had them do an oil change 400 miles ago. After driving at 75 mph on I-35 from Des Moines to Ames, the oil pressure needle was bouncing off of the 0 stop when I hit stoplights on Duff Avenue. (That makes sense only to Loren.) That makes me nervous. I reminded myself that my 240D drops the needle at stoplights and it has run nicely for a couple of years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
Is that the gauge or the sending unit? I'd like to fix it. Just so you don't think I am totally anal -- not yet to be ruled out -- I had the philosophy drilled into my head for years that you *trust your gauges* (while having fun way up there in the sky, and actually being paid to do it) and react accordingly. If oil pressure falls to 0 on one of the engines, you don't say, Oh, the gauge is flaky. You beat feet for the nearest airport and review your feather-engine checklist. Occupational hazard I just can't seem to shake. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
could be either, most common is a ground. They just about all do that at this age. Wonko the Sane wrote: Is that the gauge or the sending unit? I'd like to fix it. Just so you don't think I am totally anal -- not yet to be ruled out -- I had the philosophy drilled into my head for years that you *trust your gauges* (while having fun way up there in the sky, and actually being paid to do it) and react accordingly. If oil pressure falls to 0 on one of the engines, you don't say, Oh, the gauge is flaky. You beat feet for the nearest airport and review your feather-engine checklist. Occupational hazard I just can't seem to shake. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 11/2/2008 9:51 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
103 oil pressure gauges don't work and/or 103 engines run fine at low oil pressure. if it doesn't leak like mad or burn oil at a furious rate, just keep using hte mobil one 15w whatever. you are such a stupid government clerk. at least kleb has initiative at times. you are just dumb and bureaucratic. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that the gauge or the sending unit? I'd like to fix it. Just so you don't think I am totally anal -- not yet to be ruled out -- I had the philosophy drilled into my head for years that you *trust your gauges* (while having fun way up there in the sky, and actually being paid to do it) and react accordingly. If oil pressure falls to 0 on one of the engines, you don't say, Oh, the gauge is flaky. You beat feet for the nearest airport and review your feather-engine checklist. Occupational hazard I just can't seem to shake. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
I don't think you are being anal. Oil pressure that bounces between 0 - 1 BAR at idle then goes full scale at road speed is not the gauge, it's the oil pump or main bearings! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!) Is that the gauge or the sending unit? I'd like to fix it. Just so you don't think I am totally anal -- not yet to be ruled out -- I had the philosophy drilled into my head for years that you *trust your gauges* (while having fun way up there in the sky, and actually being paid to do it) and react accordingly. If oil pressure falls to 0 on one of the engines, you don't say, Oh, the gauge is flaky. You beat feet for the nearest airport and review your feather-engine checklist. Occupational hazard I just can't seem to shake. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nont to worry about the oil pressure, the guage on that car is a little flakey. It will bounce from about 1 or so to 0 at idle. Real reading is about 1 to 1.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
