Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
he may have owned for long time, but based on his issue, he may be just another one of the guys who has no clue about the brand other than it has a star and that makes him cool. How to care for one, no real clue. I see these guys cars at PnP all the time, as well as the curbstone car dealers clay On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
The guy didn't like the group and left... it happens. No need to give him a hard time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Just don't start talking about oil or melting fuses and pistons Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The guy didn't like the group and left... it happens. No need to give him a hard time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Well he got some good advise about his problem. Oh well. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Indeed. Well there are some good web-based MB forums out there, hope he finds what he's looking for. I personally don't like the web forum format, I've never found one that was really easy to use and they just don't have the conversational feel of an email list. To each his own Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I am new to the MB scene, only 40 years out of the 126 years of Daimler Benz, and I learn a lot here. Besides, if you want to solve a computer, video, audio, electronics or nuclear problem, somebody here has the answers. (I need to get back to the DC converter answers...) What web forum does that? I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I like the forums as well but honestly I feel more of a sense of community on this list, and more importantly my questions get answered almost immediately. On a forum it could take hours or even days! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Indeed. Well there are some good web-based MB forums out there, hope he finds what he's looking for. I personally don't like the web forum format, I've never found one that was really easy to use and they just don't have the conversational feel of an email list. To each his own Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Yeah, I've posted OT topics or gone off topic on the MBCA forum and got scolded. I've asked the administrators to create an OT section and they refused. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I am new to the MB scene, only 40 years out of the 126 years of Daimler Benz, and I learn a lot here. Besides, if you want to solve a computer, video, audio, electronics or nuclear problem, somebody here has the answers. (I need to get back to the DC converter answers...) What web forum does that? I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Well, that's a pity, 'cause we exchange a helluva lot more info and help to each other than just oil, etc. The trunk lid I'm working on the replace my recently vandal-destroyed one and Rich's spring compressor problem are recent good examples. I wish 'im well when and if he really needs some help; 'course he may have had some good info to help the rest of us, sometime, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Well, I'm still a new guy, I've had MBs for only 32 and a half years. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I know he did not approve or rotella, but I just picked up two gallons for $20, so figure it would do fine instead of wasting cash on snake oils that do not work clay On Mar 31, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Fmiser wrote: clay monroe wrote: If you want quality lubricity and wear reduction, use Mobil 1, Delvac, or Rotella and change oil as usual. Marshal didn't like Rotella. Mobil 1, Delvac, and Delo were his choices. -- Philip, picking at nits, sorry. *smiles* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I thought of that last night on my way home, too, since I think mine is on the way out. A bad turbo can dump large amounts of oil out both ends -- into the intake, causing rough idle and blue smoke on startup, and into the exhaust causing smoke under power as the oil burns in the exhaust pipe. It will also cause serious buildup of coked oil in the exhaust, as it did on my Volvo TD. Spewed burning chunks of carbon after I replaced the turbo! The lack of power is due to the lack of boost. You can also get excess smoke at low speeds from over-fueling when the turbo doesn't come up to speed and you are shoving the pedal down. Turbos aren't expensive, and if it's not been replaced, I'd not be surprised ti was shot. Peter On Mar 30, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Max wrote: Rolling Hills Farm rollinghillsma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Clint, how certain is your diagnoses that the valve guides are the problem? At that mileage, smoke and reduced power might also mean a faulty turbo, I believe. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I agree guys... Turbo sounds likely here also Jaime On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: I thought of that last night on my way home, too, since I think mine is on the way out. A bad turbo can dump large amounts of oil out both ends -- into the intake, causing rough idle and blue smoke on startup, and into the exhaust causing smoke under power as the oil burns in the exhaust pipe. It will also cause serious buildup of coked oil in the exhaust, as it did on my Volvo TD. Spewed burning chunks of carbon after I replaced the turbo! The lack of power is due to the lack of boost. You can also get excess smoke at low speeds from over-fueling when the turbo doesn't come up to speed and you are shoving the pedal down. Turbos aren't expensive, and if it's not been replaced, I'd not be surprised ti was shot. Peter On Mar 30, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Max wrote: Rolling Hills Farm rollinghillsma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Clint, how certain is your diagnoses that the valve guides are the problem? At that mileage, smoke and reduced power might also mean a faulty turbo, I believe. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Clint, STEP AWAY FROM ALL THOSE ADDITIVES! Our most faithful, yet departed, overlord of all things Diesel, Herr Professor Doktor Marshall Booth was adamant about not using these things but sparingly. Engines were designed to run fine as they were. Use of non mercedes fluids and snake oil was to be done but once a year when taking the car out of storage or when putting her to sleep for the winter. The mystery oil has probably gunked up the engine and pistons, as well as valves. If you want quality lubricity and wear reduction, use Mobil 1, Delvac, or Rotella and change oil as usual. Diesel Purge, once a year to clean the injector (use as per instructions from vessel looping through injection pump). There is another lubrisol diesel product you can add to the tank once or twice a year for valve cleaning. Biodiesel is a viable option for better lubricity on all fronts. It will reduce carbon accumulations and scour the fuel system of all gunk. Three tanks of B20 will do wonders. As Don said, DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT. Pedal to the metal as you climb hills, drive in S around town, so the engine works a bit harder and gets thing hot enough to burn off moisture and keep things clean. Get a compression test done. This will point to where you are having issues in the engine. Adjust the valves, as they are probably allowing for unsightly air access. Wet compression will show just who is not holding pressure and may need new rings. After that much road time, I would bet your rings are shot. Clean the engine thoroughly on the exterior. What ever it takes to get accumulated gunk off. This will show if there is a seal leak, or if you really are burning the oil. That is about all I have in my book. What I know is what Gump taught me, and may only apply to a car of her charms clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Mar 30, 2012, at 4:41 PM, OK Don wrote: Someone with more experience/knowledge should chime in here, but AFAIK, there is no manifold vacuum in these Diesels to make them smoke as you describe due to worn valve guides or valve seals. I thin you've got worn or stuck rings. If you have been driving it gently, youve probably carboned up the rings, etc. The usula cure is an Italian tuneup, also known as drive it like you stole it. That having been siad, my highest mileage MB is only 370,000 miles, so what do I konw? On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Rolling Hills Farm rollinghillsma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Majority of the miles are highway miles, and just like tractor-trailers that typically run a million miles with no sweat due to the fact that they stay on the highway, the engine is still running like a champ. About 6 or so years back, it started using oil, somewhere around 640K miles or so. Before then, it didn't even use oil between 3K-mile oil changes! Determined that the valve guides are leaky, thus the extra smoking and oil consumption. Just in the past couple months, the smoking has gotten worse. My goal since the day I bought the car 13 years or so ago, was to see just how many miles it would go without an overhaul before it absolutely gave up the ghost and puked. I have a parts car with a perfectly-running engine (unfortunately unknown mileage), which will be replacing the engine in the SD once it finally dies (car itself is rust-free and still in unbelievably great condition and a pure joy to drive, and after a cosmetic restoration about 10 years ago, is still GORGEOUS). Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on valve guide replacement. I've had 5 different people tell me that I should just leave well-enough alone, and not replace the valve guides, but rather just keep driving it, adding oil, and put up with the smoking. Something about replacing valve guides that might screw up something else and make things worse than they are. As I said, I want to see just how far I can push this original engine before it dies. I don't abuse the car; I very,very seldom drive it over 65 mph, and religiously do oil changes every 3K miles. It's using around 1.5 quarts between oil changes, which to me, is incredible given the fact that the engine has never been into since the day it was built. Any ideas? Smoking issue is worse than before. Every time I take off from a stoplight, I have a lot of blue smoke (burning oil), and when I start it the first time every day, it belches smoke like you wouldn't believe. Just in regular driving though, there's no visible smoke. Engine still sounds awesome (that opinion coming from comparing it to the other 20 or so 2.4L and 3.0L cars I've owned over the years). Power isn't what it
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I don't abuse the car; I very,very seldom drive it over 65 mph, Probably past time to start driving like you stole it. These cars were designed to drive hours on end, with foot planted to the floor. I use Marvel Mystery Oil every other oil change, don't know if that's any help or not, but I use it. Someone recommended that I use some Lucas oil additive, maybe a half-quart every other oil change. Use Mobil 1 15w50 and change as oil testing (soot dilution) dictate. Probably every 7k miles or more. Determined that the valve guides are leaky, thus the extra smoking and oil consumption. By who? I tend to agree with Loren (dieselhead) here, although with that many miles the guides could be worn out. If you have a good, low miles parts car, swap out the turbo and see if the oil consumption abates. It will take a long time to clear out the oil from the exhaust, so it will likely not quit smoking for some time. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Rolling Hills Farm wrote: About 6 or so years back, it started using oil, somewhere around 640K miles or so. Determined that the valve guides are leaky, thus the extra smoking and oil consumption. Hmm. On a turbo, most of the time the intake under pressure so leaking valve guides would cause an air leak into the rocker arm cover - _not_ oil into the intake. That doesn't mean the valve guides are not leaking, just that oil consumption and smoking are symptoms of leaking guides in gasoline engine, maybe a normally aspirated diesel, but not likely on a turbo. Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on valve guide replacement. I've had 5 different people tell me that I should just leave well-enough alone, and not replace the valve guides, but rather just keep driving it, adding oil, and put up with the smoking. Something about replacing valve guides that might screw up something else and make things worse than they are. Repair it. But I'd suggest making sure it really is valve guides. I don't abuse the car; I very,very seldom drive it over 65 mph, Oh. Well, that's nearly abuse. These old Mercedes engines need to get their combustion chambers hot every so often to burn off excess carbon. Around here we call that an Italian Tuneup and refer to the concept and drive it like you stole it. I live in the mid-west, where the terrain in vertically challenged it's not easy to find a hill big enough and long enough to really work a turbo. So I keep an eye out for tall, long hills where I can down shift to 3rd and put my foot to the floor and let the engine reach peak RPM (5000 or so) at hopefully max power (before the governor starts to limit fuel) for a while as I climb the hill. With the normally aspirated engines it's a bit easier to find a road where I can make the engine work hard. In between hill-climbs, I always put my foot to the floor and make the engine reach the governed speed at every on ramp and any other time I can manage it. and religiously do oil changes every 3K miles. Any ideas? Smoking issue is worse than before. Every time I take off from a stoplight, I have a lot of blue smoke (burning oil), and when I start it the first time every day, it belches smoke like you wouldn't believe. Just in regular driving though, there's no visible smoke. Engine still sounds awesome (that opinion coming from comparing it to the other 20 or so 2.4L and 3.0L cars I've owned over the years). Power isn't what it used to be, but that's to be expected. Like other's have said, that's sounding like it could be a turbo. I think that's much more likely to cause your symptoms than valve guides. Someone recommended that I use some Lucas oil additive, maybe a half-quart every other oil change. You can if you want. But the best you can do for it is run a group IV synthetic oil. Like Mobil 1, or Amsoil. And then skip the additive. I am determined to reach one million miles eventually, although I know there's a snowball's chance in Purgatory that it will happen with this original engine. If you are willing to spend more on repairing the engine than a used engine would cost, a million (USA) miles should be easy. Usually it's not that the engine isn't repairable, just that it makes more economic sense to replace. That's not to say your engine is at that point! Turbo seals is not an end-of-the-engine-life type problem! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
clay monroe wrote: If you want quality lubricity and wear reduction, use Mobil 1, Delvac, or Rotella and change oil as usual. Marshal didn't like Rotella. Mobil 1, Delvac, and Delo were his choices. -- Philip, picking at nits, sorry. *smiles* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Majority of the miles are highway miles, and just like tractor-trailers that typically run a million miles with no sweat due to the fact that they stay on the highway, the engine is still running like a champ. About 6 or so years back, it started using oil, somewhere around 640K miles or so. Before then, it didn't even use oil between 3K-mile oil changes! Determined that the valve guides are leaky, thus the extra smoking and oil consumption. Just in the past couple months, the smoking has gotten worse. My goal since the day I bought the car 13 years or so ago, was to see just how many miles it would go without an overhaul before it absolutely gave up the ghost and puked. I have a parts car with a perfectly-running engine (unfortunately unknown mileage), which will be replacing the engine in the SD once it finally dies (car itself is rust-free and still in unbelievably great condition and a pure joy to drive, and after a cosmetic restoration about 10 years ago, is still GORGEOUS). Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on valve guide replacement. I've had 5 different people tell me that I should just leave well-enough alone, and not replace the valve guides, but rather just keep driving it, adding oil, and put up with the smoking. Something about replacing valve guides that might screw up something else and make things worse than they are. As I said, I want to see just how far I can push this original engine before it dies. I don't abuse the car; I very,very seldom drive it over 65 mph, and religiously do oil changes every 3K miles. It's using around 1.5 quarts between oil changes, which to me, is incredible given the fact that the engine has never been into since the day it was built. Any ideas? Smoking issue is worse than before. Every time I take off from a stoplight, I have a lot of blue smoke (burning oil), and when I start it the first time every day, it belches smoke like you wouldn't believe. Just in regular driving though, there's no visible smoke. Engine still sounds awesome (that opinion coming from comparing it to the other 20 or so 2.4L and 3.0L cars I've owned over the years). Power isn't what it used to be, but that's to be expected. I use Marvel Mystery Oil every other oil change, don't know if that's any help or not, but I use it. Someone recommended that I use some Lucas oil additive, maybe a half-quart every other oil change. Any advice as to how I can keep this old girl going as long as possible, and stretching out the miles as long as I can would be MOST appreciated!!! My wife jokingly tells people that I love that old car more than I love her, but ya know that isn't true, lol!! It's certainly a part of me, like family. I am determined to reach one million miles eventually, although I know there's a snowball's chance in Purgatory that it will happen with this original engine. Thanks in advance, Clint Lowe Rolling Hills Farm Nothing will make a driver more faithful to a car than a car that is faithful to its driver. Life is too short, and the road too long, to drive anything less than a Mercedes-Benz. www.facebook.com/rollinghillsfarm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Someone with more experience/knowledge should chime in here, but AFAIK, there is no manifold vacuum in these Diesels to make them smoke as you describe due to worn valve guides or valve seals. I thin you've got worn or stuck rings. If you have been driving it gently, youve probably carboned up the rings, etc. The usula cure is an Italian tuneup, also known as drive it like you stole it. That having been siad, my highest mileage MB is only 370,000 miles, so what do I konw? On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Rolling Hills Farm rollinghillsma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Majority of the miles are highway miles, and just like tractor-trailers that typically run a million miles with no sweat due to the fact that they stay on the highway, the engine is still running like a champ. About 6 or so years back, it started using oil, somewhere around 640K miles or so. Before then, it didn't even use oil between 3K-mile oil changes! Determined that the valve guides are leaky, thus the extra smoking and oil consumption. Just in the past couple months, the smoking has gotten worse. My goal since the day I bought the car 13 years or so ago, was to see just how many miles it would go without an overhaul before it absolutely gave up the ghost and puked. I have a parts car with a perfectly-running engine (unfortunately unknown mileage), which will be replacing the engine in the SD once it finally dies (car itself is rust-free and still in unbelievably great condition and a pure joy to drive, and after a cosmetic restoration about 10 years ago, is still GORGEOUS). Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on valve guide replacement. I've had 5 different people tell me that I should just leave well-enough alone, and not replace the valve guides, but rather just keep driving it, adding oil, and put up with the smoking. Something about replacing valve guides that might screw up something else and make things worse than they are. As I said, I want to see just how far I can push this original engine before it dies. I don't abuse the car; I very,very seldom drive it over 65 mph, and religiously do oil changes every 3K miles. It's using around 1.5 quarts between oil changes, which to me, is incredible given the fact that the engine has never been into since the day it was built. Any ideas? Smoking issue is worse than before. Every time I take off from a stoplight, I have a lot of blue smoke (burning oil), and when I start it the first time every day, it belches smoke like you wouldn't believe. Just in regular driving though, there's no visible smoke. Engine still sounds awesome (that opinion coming from comparing it to the other 20 or so 2.4L and 3.0L cars I've owned over the years). Power isn't what it used to be, but that's to be expected. I use Marvel Mystery Oil every other oil change, don't know if that's any help or not, but I use it. Someone recommended that I use some Lucas oil additive, maybe a half-quart every other oil change. Any advice as to how I can keep this old girl going as long as possible, and stretching out the miles as long as I can would be MOST appreciated!!! My wife jokingly tells people that I love that old car more than I love her, but ya know that isn't true, lol!! It's certainly a part of me, like family. I am determined to reach one million miles eventually, although I know there's a snowball's chance in Purgatory that it will happen with this original engine. Thanks in advance, Clint Lowe Rolling Hills Farm Nothing will make a driver more faithful to a car than a car that is faithful to its driver. Life is too short, and the road too long, to drive anything less than a Mercedes-Benz. www.facebook.com/rollinghillsfarm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
If that's a 617, it's time (actually long past time) for a valve job and inspection of the cylinder walls. Allowing it to burn excessive oil will cause the cylinder walls to wear out very fast. Make sure the correct valve guides are used, and you will probably need new valves if the guides are badly worn, maybe new seats. Peter On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Rolling Hills Farm wrote: Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Majority of the miles are highway miles, and just like tractor- trailers that typically run a million miles with no sweat due to the fact that they stay on the highway, the engine is still running like a champ. About 6 or so years back, it started using oil, somewhere around 640K miles or so. Before then, it didn't even use oil between 3K-mile oil changes! Determined that the valve guides are leaky, thus the extra smoking and oil consumption. Just in the past couple months, the smoking has gotten worse. My goal since the day I bought the car 13 years or so ago, was to see just how many miles it would go without an overhaul before it absolutely gave up the ghost and puked. I have a parts car with a perfectly- running engine (unfortunately unknown mileage), which will be replacing the engine in the SD once it finally dies (car itself is rust-free and still in unbelievably great condition and a pure joy to drive, and after a cosmetic restoration about 10 years ago, is still GORGEOUS). Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on valve guide replacement. I've had 5 different people tell me that I should just leave well- enough alone, and not replace the valve guides, but rather just keep driving it, adding oil, and put up with the smoking. Something about replacing valve guides that might screw up something else and make things worse than they are. As I said, I want to see just how far I can push this original engine before it dies. I don't abuse the car; I very,very seldom drive it over 65 mph, and religiously do oil changes every 3K miles. It's using around 1.5 quarts between oil changes, which to me, is incredible given the fact that the engine has never been into since the day it was built. Any ideas? Smoking issue is worse than before. Every time I take off from a stoplight, I have a lot of blue smoke (burning oil), and when I start it the first time every day, it belches smoke like you wouldn't believe. Just in regular driving though, there's no visible smoke. Engine still sounds awesome (that opinion coming from comparing it to the other 20 or so 2.4L and 3.0L cars I've owned over the years). Power isn't what it used to be, but that's to be expected. I use Marvel Mystery Oil every other oil change, don't know if that's any help or not, but I use it. Someone recommended that I use some Lucas oil additive, maybe a half-quart every other oil change. Any advice as to how I can keep this old girl going as long as possible, and stretching out the miles as long as I can would be MOST appreciated!!! My wife jokingly tells people that I love that old car more than I love her, but ya know that isn't true, lol!! It's certainly a part of me, like family. I am determined to reach one million miles eventually, although I know there's a snowball's chance in Purgatory that it will happen with this original engine. Thanks in advance, Clint Lowe Rolling Hills Farm Nothing will make a driver more faithful to a car than a car that is faithful to its driver. Life is too short, and the road too long, to drive anything less than a Mercedes-Benz. www.facebook.com/rollinghillsfarm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
It's way past Italian Tuneup time, it's due for a rebuild. Will last as long as it did the first time if done correctly, but it won't be cheap. Peter On Mar 30, 2012, at 6:41 PM, OK Don wrote: Someone with more experience/knowledge should chime in here, but AFAIK, there is no manifold vacuum in these Diesels to make them smoke as you describe due to worn valve guides or valve seals. I thin you've got worn or stuck rings. If you have been driving it gently, youve probably carboned up the rings, etc. The usula cure is an Italian tuneup, also known as drive it like you stole it. That having been siad, my highest mileage MB is only 370,000 miles, so what do I konw? On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Rolling Hills Farm rollinghillsma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Majority of the miles are highway miles, and just like tractor-trailers that typically run a million miles with no sweat due to the fact that they stay on the highway, the engine is still running like a champ. About 6 or so years back, it started using oil, somewhere around 640K miles or so. Before then, it didn't even use oil between 3K-mile oil changes! Determined that the valve guides are leaky, thus the extra smoking and oil consumption. Just in the past couple months, the smoking has gotten worse. My goal since the day I bought the car 13 years or so ago, was to see just how many miles it would go without an overhaul before it absolutely gave up the ghost and puked. I have a parts car with a perfectly-running engine (unfortunately unknown mileage), which will be replacing the engine in the SD once it finally dies (car itself is rust-free and still in unbelievably great condition and a pure joy to drive, and after a cosmetic restoration about 10 years ago, is still GORGEOUS). Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on valve guide replacement. I've had 5 different people tell me that I should just leave well- enough alone, and not replace the valve guides, but rather just keep driving it, adding oil, and put up with the smoking. Something about replacing valve guides that might screw up something else and make things worse than they are. As I said, I want to see just how far I can push this original engine before it dies. I don't abuse the car; I very,very seldom drive it over 65 mph, and religiously do oil changes every 3K miles. It's using around 1.5 quarts between oil changes, which to me, is incredible given the fact that the engine has never been into since the day it was built. Any ideas? Smoking issue is worse than before. Every time I take off from a stoplight, I have a lot of blue smoke (burning oil), and when I start it the first time every day, it belches smoke like you wouldn't believe. Just in regular driving though, there's no visible smoke. Engine still sounds awesome (that opinion coming from comparing it to the other 20 or so 2.4L and 3.0L cars I've owned over the years). Power isn't what it used to be, but that's to be expected. I use Marvel Mystery Oil every other oil change, don't know if that's any help or not, but I use it. Someone recommended that I use some Lucas oil additive, maybe a half-quart every other oil change. Any advice as to how I can keep this old girl going as long as possible, and stretching out the miles as long as I can would be MOST appreciated!!! My wife jokingly tells people that I love that old car more than I love her, but ya know that isn't true, lol!! It's certainly a part of me, like family. I am determined to reach one million miles eventually, although I know there's a snowball's chance in Purgatory that it will happen with this original engine. Thanks in advance, Clint Lowe Rolling Hills Farm Nothing will make a driver more faithful to a car than a car that is faithful to its driver. Life is too short, and the road too long, to drive anything less than a Mercedes-Benz. www.facebook.com/rollinghillsfarm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Clint, Those who tell you not to bother with repair are letting the odometer influence them. I like to tell people that these cars will run as long someone is willing to maintain and repair them. And they can be indefinitely repaired. Its when people start cutting corners and making compromises that things start to turn sour. Find yourself a mechanic who understands and have a valve job done. Its a small investment into a car that have already given you so much. Its likely your engine doesn't need any bottom end work since its been well maintained. It takes a special dedication to do what you've done. Keep up the good work! Jaime On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Rolling Hills Farm rollinghillsma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Majority of the miles are highway miles, and just like tractor-trailers that typically run a million miles with no sweat due to the fact that they stay on the highway, the engine is still running like a champ. About 6 or so years back, it started using oil, somewhere around 640K miles or so. Before then, it didn't even use oil between 3K-mile oil changes! Determined that the valve guides are leaky, thus the extra smoking and oil consumption. Just in the past couple months, the smoking has gotten worse. My goal since the day I bought the car 13 years or so ago, was to see just how many miles it would go without an overhaul before it absolutely gave up the ghost and puked. I have a parts car with a perfectly-running engine (unfortunately unknown mileage), which will be replacing the engine in the SD once it finally dies (car itself is rust-free and still in unbelievably great condition and a pure joy to drive, and after a cosmetic restoration about 10 years ago, is still GORGEOUS). Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on valve guide replacement. I've had 5 different people tell me that I should just leave well-enough alone, and not replace the valve guides, but rather just keep driving it, adding oil, and put up with the smoking. Something about replacing valve guides that might screw up something else and make things worse than they are. As I said, I want to see just how far I can push this original engine before it dies. I don't abuse the car; I very,very seldom drive it over 65 mph, and religiously do oil changes every 3K miles. It's using around 1.5 quarts between oil changes, which to me, is incredible given the fact that the engine has never been into since the day it was built. Any ideas? Smoking issue is worse than before. Every time I take off from a stoplight, I have a lot of blue smoke (burning oil), and when I start it the first time every day, it belches smoke like you wouldn't believe. Just in regular driving though, there's no visible smoke. Engine still sounds awesome (that opinion coming from comparing it to the other 20 or so 2.4L and 3.0L cars I've owned over the years). Power isn't what it used to be, but that's to be expected. I use Marvel Mystery Oil every other oil change, don't know if that's any help or not, but I use it. Someone recommended that I use some Lucas oil additive, maybe a half-quart every other oil change. Any advice as to how I can keep this old girl going as long as possible, and stretching out the miles as long as I can would be MOST appreciated!!! My wife jokingly tells people that I love that old car more than I love her, but ya know that isn't true, lol!! It's certainly a part of me, like family. I am determined to reach one million miles eventually, although I know there's a snowball's chance in Purgatory that it will happen with this original engine. Thanks in advance, Clint Lowe Rolling Hills Farm Nothing will make a driver more faithful to a car than a car that is faithful to its driver. Life is too short, and the road too long, to drive anything less than a Mercedes-Benz. www.facebook.com/rollinghillsfarm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Rolling Hills Farm rollinghillsma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Clint, how certain is your diagnoses that the valve guides are the problem? At that mileage, smoke and reduced power might also mean a faulty turbo, I believe. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Glad you mentioned that Max. I was going to but decided to see what everyone else said. While the symptoms are classic valve guides for a NA gasser, with a turbodiesel, the turbo might be the culprit. I just replaced on on a OM603, and the symptoms were the same, except it did not have 650K on it. Congrats. I have over 400K on a SDL, but gave up on it because it got hit in the doors and the tinworm cancer was on all body panels. Klebs SDL was cheaper than repairs. Rolling Hills Farm rollinghillsma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, My beloved 1984 W126 300SD, as of today, has 698,883 miles on it. Still going on the original engine, with no overhaul since new. Clint, how certain is your diagnoses that the valve guides are the problem? At that mileage, smoke and reduced power might also mean a faulty turbo, I believe. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
