Re: [MBZ] Boston Marathon bombs: the early theories
While pressure cooker controls would be helpful, their complete elimination would be more effective. Few people other than food faddists use them anymore, so their disappearance would hardly be noticed. Since these types of amateur bombs are nearly always a mixture of diesel fuel and fertilizer, banning these two noxious substances as well as pressure cookers should completely eliminate homegrown terrorism. Think of all the benefits the banning of diesel fuel would provide. Thousands of marriages would be saved since diesel widows would no longer spend their weekends sitting in front of the TV while their husbands worked on their diesel cars or sat at the computer discussing the merits of various lubricants. Replacing manufactured fertilizer with natural fertilizer (from horses and mules) could easily be accomplished since horses and mules would have already replaced diesel farm machinery. The nation would return to a simpler and more natural way of life for which many of us yearn. Gerry richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Boston Marathon bombs: the early theories
It would likely annoy Yum! Brands and some of their customers; likewise, it would impact Royal Farms. (Pressure-Fried Chicken anyone?) -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 17, 2013, at 6:42, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: While pressure cooker controls would be helpful, their complete elimination would be more effective. Few people other than food faddists use them anymore, so their disappearance would hardly be noticed. Since these types of amateur bombs are nearly always a mixture of diesel fuel and fertilizer, banning these two noxious substances as well as pressure cookers should completely eliminate homegrown terrorism. Think of all the benefits the banning of diesel fuel would provide. Thousands of marriages would be saved since diesel widows would no longer spend their weekends sitting in front of the TV while their husbands worked on their diesel cars or sat at the computer discussing the merits of various lubricants. Replacing manufactured fertilizer with natural fertilizer (from horses and mules) could easily be accomplished since horses and mules would have already replaced diesel farm machinery. The nation would return to a simpler and more natural way of life for which many of us yearn. Gerry richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Boston Marathon bombs: the early theories
The nation would return to a simpler and more natural way of life for which many of us yearn. Gerry For all of those who deeply desire to go natural I offer this suggestion and challenge. Travel to your favorite jungle or desert or wild place. Stand at the edge and take off your shoes, all of your clothing, your watch, credit cards, car keys, all the bits that tie you to civilization, including your water bottle [plastic you know, bad bad bad] . Then take one step forward away from these bad things and keep walking. Commune with nature, sleep on the ground, drink where you find water, eat where you find food. Become one with nature. Do this for one year. Then come back to bad civilization [if you can find your way back] and tell us all how it worked out. [Good Luck] I eagerly await your story upon return. Grant... Ohh.. and don't feed the bears... ;) On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:33 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: It would likely annoy Yum! Brands and some of their customers; likewise, it would impact Royal Farms. (Pressure-Fried Chicken anyone?) -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 17, 2013, at 6:42, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: While pressure cooker controls would be helpful, their complete elimination would be more effective. Few people other than food faddists use them anymore, so their disappearance would hardly be noticed. Since these types of amateur bombs are nearly always a mixture of diesel fuel and fertilizer, banning these two noxious substances as well as pressure cookers should completely eliminate homegrown terrorism. Think of all the benefits the banning of diesel fuel would provide. Thousands of marriages would be saved since diesel widows would no longer spend their weekends sitting in front of the TV while their husbands worked on their diesel cars or sat at the computer discussing the merits of various lubricants. Replacing manufactured fertilizer with natural fertilizer (from horses and mules) could easily be accomplished since horses and mules would have already replaced diesel farm machinery. The nation would return to a simpler and more natural way of life for which many of us yearn. Gerry richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Boston Marathon bombs: the early theories
I was chased by a black bear in Kluane Lake National Park (Canada) back in my youth. He didn't look particularly large until he reared up on his hind legs, probably out of curiosity rather than hunger or aggression. It was amazing just how tall and threatening he appeared in that position. Fortunately, I survived the encounter (some of you might have been rooting for the bear). Andrew On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:19 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The nation would return to a simpler and more natural way of life for which many of us yearn. Gerry For all of those who deeply desire to go natural I offer this suggestion and challenge. Travel to your favorite jungle or desert or wild place. Stand at the edge and take off your shoes, all of your clothing, your watch, credit cards, car keys, all the bits that tie you to civilization, including your water bottle [plastic you know, bad bad bad] . Then take one step forward away from these bad things and keep walking. Commune with nature, sleep on the ground, drink where you find water, eat where you find food. Become one with nature. Do this for one year. Then come back to bad civilization [if you can find your way back] and tell us all how it worked out. [Good Luck] I eagerly await your story upon return. Grant... Ohh.. and don't feed the bears... ;) On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:33 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: It would likely annoy Yum! Brands and some of their customers; likewise, it would impact Royal Farms. (Pressure-Fried Chicken anyone?) -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 17, 2013, at 6:42, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: While pressure cooker controls would be helpful, their complete elimination would be more effective. Few people other than food faddists use them anymore, so their disappearance would hardly be noticed. Since these types of amateur bombs are nearly always a mixture of diesel fuel and fertilizer, banning these two noxious substances as well as pressure cookers should completely eliminate homegrown terrorism. Think of all the benefits the banning of diesel fuel would provide. Thousands of marriages would be saved since diesel widows would no longer spend their weekends sitting in front of the TV while their husbands worked on their diesel cars or sat at the computer discussing the merits of various lubricants. Replacing manufactured fertilizer with natural fertilizer (from horses and mules) could easily be accomplished since horses and mules would have already replaced diesel farm machinery. The nation would return to a simpler and more natural way of life for which many of us yearn. Gerry richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims.
Re: [MBZ] Boston Marathon bombs: the early theories
Racist rant. It was a bear of color (or a Canadian African-American bear), and shame on you for being afraid of it just because it was black. I bet you would have felt more comfortable if it was a polar bear. --R (who occasionally has to teach liberals some lessons) On 4/17/13 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I was chased by a black bear in Kluane Lake National Park (Canada) back in my youth. He didn't look particularly large until he reared up on his hind legs, probably out of curiosity rather than hunger or aggression. It was amazing just how tall and threatening he appeared in that position. Fortunately, I survived the encounter (some of you might have been rooting for the bear). Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich thinks he's funny. To my chagrin, so do I.. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Racist rant. It was a bear of color (or a Canadian African-American bear), and shame on you for being afraid of it just because it was black. I bet you would have felt more comfortable if it was a polar bear. --R (who occasionally has to teach liberals some lessons) On 4/17/13 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I was chased by a black bear in Kluane Lake National Park (Canada) back in my youth. He didn't look particularly large until he reared up on his hind legs, probably out of curiosity rather than hunger or aggression. It was amazing just how tall and threatening he appeared in that position. Fortunately, I survived the encounter (some of you might have been rooting for the bear). Andrew __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We do that all the time in Florida. Those nude beaches are pretty wild and some do it for more than a year. Gerry From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com For all of those who deeply desire to go natural I offer this suggestion and challenge. Travel to your favorite jungle or desert or wild place. Stand at the edge and take off your shoes, all of your clothing, your watch, credit cards, car keys, all the bits that tie you to civilization, including your water bottle [plastic you know, bad bad bad] . Then take one step forward away from these bad things and keep walking. Commune with nature, sleep on the ground, drink where you find water, eat where you find food. Become one with nature. Do this for one year. Then come back to bad civilization [if you can find your way back] and tell us all how it worked out. [Good Luck] I eagerly await your story upon return. Grant... Ohh.. and don't feed the bears... ;) On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:33 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: It would likely annoy Yum! Brands and some of their customers; likewise, it would impact Royal Farms. (Pressure-Fried Chicken anyone?) -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 17, 2013, at 6:42, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: While pressure cooker controls would be helpful, their complete elimination would be more effective. Few people other than food faddists use them anymore, so their disappearance would hardly be noticed. Since these types of amateur bombs are nearly always a mixture of diesel fuel and fertilizer, banning these two noxious substances as well as pressure cookers should completely eliminate homegrown terrorism. Think of all the benefits the banning of diesel fuel would provide. Thousands of marriages would be saved since diesel widows would no longer spend their weekends sitting in front of the TV while their husbands worked on their diesel cars or sat at the computer discussing the merits of various lubricants. Replacing manufactured fertilizer with natural fertilizer (from horses and mules) could easily be accomplished since horses and mules would have already replaced diesel farm machinery. The nation would return to a simpler and more natural way of life for which many of us yearn. Gerry richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used
Re: [MBZ] Boston Marathon bombs: the early theories
Damn.. totally stunned that Andrew actually went off concrete at some point in his life... and had a bear experience... Will wonders never cease? So have to ask.. how did it feel to be totally unarmed at that moment? Grant... [some days, some things are to hard to resist... ;) ] On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Racist rant. It was a bear of color (or a Canadian African-American bear), and shame on you for being afraid of it just because it was black. I bet you would have felt more comfortable if it was a polar bear. --R (who occasionally has to teach liberals some lessons) On 4/17/13 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I was chased by a black bear in Kluane Lake National Park (Canada) back in my youth. He didn't look particularly large until he reared up on his hind legs, probably out of curiosity rather than hunger or aggression. It was amazing just how tall and threatening he appeared in that position. Fortunately, I survived the encounter (some of you might have been rooting for the bear). Andrew __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I never lost faith in my ability to survive and had no urge to have a weapon On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Damn.. totally stunned that Andrew actually went off concrete at some point in his life... and had a bear experience... Will wonders never cease? So have to ask.. how did it feel to be totally unarmed at that moment? Grant... [some days, some things are to hard to resist... ;) ] On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Racist rant. It was a bear of color (or a Canadian African-American bear), and shame on you for being afraid of it just because it was black. I bet you would have felt more comfortable if it was a polar bear. --R (who occasionally has to teach liberals some lessons) On 4/17/13 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I was chased by a black bear in Kluane Lake National Park (Canada) back in my youth. He didn't look particularly large until he reared up on his hind legs, probably out of curiosity rather than hunger or aggression. It was amazing just how tall and threatening he appeared in that position. Fortunately, I survived the encounter (some of you might have been rooting for the bear). Andrew __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A suspect is in custody!
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:
I never lost faith in my ability to survive and had no urge to have a
weapon
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
Damn.. totally stunned that Andrew actually went off concrete at some
point
in his life... and had a bear experience... Will wonders never cease?
So have to ask.. how did it feel to be totally unarmed at that moment?
Grant... [some days, some things are to hard to resist... ;) ]
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Racist rant. It was a bear of color (or a Canadian African-American
bear), and shame on you for being afraid of it just because it was
black.
I bet you would have felt more comfortable if it was a polar bear.
--R (who occasionally has to teach liberals some lessons)
On 4/17/13 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I was chased by a black bear in Kluane Lake National Park (Canada)
back in
my youth. He didn't look particularly large until he reared up on his
hind
legs, probably out of curiosity rather than hunger or aggression. It
was
amazing just how tall and threatening he appeared in that
position. Fortunately, I survived the encounter (some of you might
have
been rooting for the bear).
Andrew
__**_
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That's because you fight off thugs and bears with your fine mind:) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I never lost faith in my ability to survive and had no urge to have a weapon On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Damn.. totally stunned that Andrew actually went off concrete at some point in his life... and had a bear experience... Will wonders never cease? So have to ask.. how did it feel to be totally unarmed at that moment? Grant... [some days, some things are to hard to resist... ;) ] On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Racist rant. It was a bear of color (or a Canadian African-American bear), and shame on you for being afraid of it just because it was black. I bet you would have felt more comfortable if it was a polar bear. --R (who occasionally has to teach liberals some lessons) On 4/17/13 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I was chased by a black bear in Kluane Lake National Park (Canada) back in my youth. He didn't look particularly large until he reared up on his hind legs, probably out of curiosity rather than hunger or aggression. It was amazing just how tall and threatening he appeared in that position. Fortunately, I survived the encounter (some of you might have been rooting for the bear). Andrew __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant probably read Rainbow Six. Personally, I loved the ending. For all of those who deeply desire to go natural I offer this suggestion and challenge. Travel to your favorite jungle or desert or wild place. Stand at the edge and take off your shoes, all of your clothing, your watch, credit cards, car keys, all the bits that tie you to civilization, including your water bottle [plastic you know, bad bad bad] . Then take one step forward away from these bad things and keep walking. Commune with nature, sleep on the ground, drink where you find water, eat where you find food. Become one with nature. Do this for one year. Then come back to bad civilization [if you can find your way back] and tell us all how it worked out. [Good Luck] I eagerly await your story upon return. Grant... Ohh.. and don't feed the bears... ;) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alas, we seem to be degenerating into a sort of banned lite at the expense of Andrew. Myself included, if not at the head of the pack. Andrew, we really do appreciate you. In fact we care for you so much that we would like to awaken you to the real world that exists outside the DC area. The laws of nature, of nature's God and the laws of physics are immutable. No amount of 1984/animal farm language and/or manmade law will ever change that. Thank you for putting up with us. Rich thinks he's funny. To my chagrin, so do I.. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Racist rant. It was a bear of color (or a Canadian African-American bear), and shame on you for being afraid of it just because it was black. I bet you would have felt more comfortable if it was a polar bear. --R (who occasionally has to teach liberals some lessons) On 4/17/13 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I was chased by a black bear in Kluane Lake National Park (Canada) back in my youth. He didn't look particularly large until he reared up on his hind legs, probably out of curiosity rather than hunger or aggression. It was amazing just how tall and threatening he appeared in that position. Fortunately, I survived the encounter (some of you might have been rooting for the bear). Andrew __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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ROTFL That retort would have been different had it been a grizzly rather than a lil black bear! I never lost faith in my ability to survive and had no urge to have a weapon On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Damn.. totally stunned that Andrew actually went off concrete at some point in his life... and had a bear experience... Will wonders never cease? So have to ask.. how did it feel to be totally unarmed at that moment? Grant... [some days, some things are to hard to resist... ;) ] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Boston Marathon bombs: the early theories
Investigators and experts in terrorism are following two main early theories about who might be behind the Boston bombings. The first is that domestic right-wing extremists were responsible. The second is that Islamists, either foreign or American, and linked to al-Qaeda spiritually or practically, were to blame. A third possibility is killers with no ideological agenda whatsoever. President Barack Obama, in a statement from the White House on Tuesday afternoon, said: We do not know whether this was an act of an organisation, foreign or domestic, or a malevolent individual, or individuals. He added: We don't have a sense of motive yet. Bill Bratton, a former head of Boston police who is now based in London, said there are no shortage of potential suspects behind the explosions. Supporters of the right-wing theory point to the timing of the attack. April 15 is tax day in the United States, when the whole nation is expected to file tax returns. It is an ominous day in the calendar for anti-government, anti-tax activists. It is shortly before the anniversaries of two other terrorist attacks, the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19 and the Columbine High School shooting on April 20. Some terror experts have speculated that right-wingers could have seen the Boston marathon as a liberal, multicultural bonanza somehow worthy of targeting. There has also been huge growth in the number of anti-government Patriot groups during Barack Obama's presidency. The Southern Poverty Law Centre, which monitors hate groups, reported last month that because of the prospect of gun-control legislation, the threat of violence appears to be looming. The SPLC said that the number of Patriot groups reached record levels in 2012 and had grown by 813 percent over the past four years. Monday was also Patriots' Day in Massachusetts, a public holiday commemorating the anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord in 1775, the first battles of the war of independence, which would be cause for celebration for such groups. Patriots' Day has been a lightening rod for extreme anti-government activists. They see Patriots' Day as hijacked by the government and that its values are debased said Bruce Hoffman, director of the centre for security studies at Georgetown University. He added: From people I've been speaking to in law enforcement, the gut feeling is this seems more anti-government domestic extremists, but everyone has got these things wrong before, he said. In the immediate aftermath of the Oklahama bombing, it was assumed to be the work of jihadists but right-wing terrorist Timothy McVeigh turned out to be responsible for the worst act of terror in America pre-September 11, 2001. The Gulf War veteran and militia movement member claimed to be seeking revenge against the federal government for its handling of the Waco Siege in Texas. Working against the domestic terror theory is that fact that such attackers have tended to choose targets relevant to their ideology, such as a federal building or tax office. But the marathon could have been selected as a maximum attention event. Peter Neumann, professor of security studies at King's College, London, said most of the discussion was currently focussed on the choice of target and the modus operandi. Islamist terrorists, who have been foiled in numerous plots against New York, may have thought Boston an easier target. Some groups used a particular kind of attack. With the IRA it was car bombs. With al-Qaeda it has almost become a cliché but multiple explosions in the same place are regarded as hallmarks of Islamist terror, he said. The crude explosives used, he said, gave little clue, suggesting amateurish right-wing, or amateurish al-Qaeda. A bomb with ball bearing seems home made, the type of thing you would build if you don't really know how to build a bomb, perhaps with some instructions or guide on the Internet, he said. Explosives with ball bearings have however been used often by insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, which would add weight to the Islamist theory. Apart from the modus operandi and target, investigators and researchers in terrorism will be looking for online boasts or claims of responsibility from those involved, or those linked to the bombers. The point of terrorism is to communicate a message through acts of violence. The IRA used to call a newspaper, and now you often have claims on the Internet, said Prof Neumann. So far, he said, there have been no such claims, deepening the likelihood that the culprit(s) was either acting alone, or part of a small group loosely connected to a bigger ideology or network. The silence could also be explained if the police have already got their man, through camera surveillance and eyewitnesses. Whatever the attackers' view of the world, they could well have been local, said Juliette Kayyem, a lecturer at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. She told the Boston Globe: It is probably home-grown, someone with a political
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I think they have hit on it correctly! --R (who is neither an investigator, nor an expert in terrorism, but thinks he might be able to say. It could be anyone) On 4/16/13 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The first is that domestic right-wing extremists were responsible. The second is that Islamists, either foreign or American, and linked to al-Qaeda spiritually or practically, were to blame. A third possibility is killers with no ideological agenda whatsoever. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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An article that quotes the SPLC has close to zero credibility. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Archer Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Boston Marathon bombs: the early theories Investigators and experts in terrorism are following two main early theories about who might be behind the Boston bombings. The first is that domestic right-wing extremists were responsible. The second is that Islamists, either foreign or American, and linked to al-Qaeda spiritually or practically, were to blame. A third possibility is killers with no ideological agenda whatsoever. President Barack Obama, in a statement from the White House on Tuesday afternoon, said: We do not know whether this was an act of an organisation, foreign or domestic, or a malevolent individual, or individuals. He added: We don't have a sense of motive yet. Bill Bratton, a former head of Boston police who is now based in London, said there are no shortage of potential suspects behind the explosions. Supporters of the right-wing theory point to the timing of the attack. April 15 is tax day in the United States, when the whole nation is expected to file tax returns. It is an ominous day in the calendar for anti-government, anti-tax activists. It is shortly before the anniversaries of two other terrorist attacks, the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19 and the Columbine High School shooting on April 20. Some terror experts have speculated that right-wingers could have seen the Boston marathon as a liberal, multicultural bonanza somehow worthy of targeting. There has also been huge growth in the number of anti-government Patriot groups during Barack Obama's presidency. The Southern Poverty Law Centre, which monitors hate groups, reported last month that because of the prospect of gun-control legislation, the threat of violence appears to be looming. The SPLC said that the number of Patriot groups reached record levels in 2012 and had grown by 813 percent over the past four years. Monday was also Patriots' Day in Massachusetts, a public holiday commemorating the anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord in 1775, the first battles of the war of independence, which would be cause for celebration for such groups. Patriots' Day has been a lightening rod for extreme anti-government activists. They see Patriots' Day as hijacked by the government and that its values are debased said Bruce Hoffman, director of the centre for security studies at Georgetown University. He added: From people I've been speaking to in law enforcement, the gut feeling is this seems more anti-government domestic extremists, but everyone has got these things wrong before, he said. In the immediate aftermath of the Oklahama bombing, it was assumed to be the work of jihadists but right-wing terrorist Timothy McVeigh turned out to be responsible for the worst act of terror in America pre-September 11, 2001. The Gulf War veteran and militia movement member claimed to be seeking revenge against the federal government for its handling of the Waco Siege in Texas. Working against the domestic terror theory is that fact that such attackers have tended to choose targets relevant to their ideology, such as a federal building or tax office. But the marathon could have been selected as a maximum attention event. Peter Neumann, professor of security studies at King's College, London, said most of the discussion was currently focussed on the choice of target and the modus operandi. Islamist terrorists, who have been foiled in numerous plots against New York, may have thought Boston an easier target. Some groups used a particular kind of attack. With the IRA it was car bombs. With al-Qaeda it has almost become a cliché but multiple explosions in the same place are regarded as hallmarks of Islamist terror, he said. The crude explosives used, he said, gave little clue, suggesting amateurish right-wing, or amateurish al-Qaeda. A bomb with ball bearing seems home made, the type of thing you would build if you don't really know how to build a bomb, perhaps with some instructions or guide on the Internet, he said. Explosives with ball bearings have however been used often by insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, which would add weight to the Islamist theory. Apart from the modus operandi and target, investigators and researchers in terrorism will be looking for online boasts or claims of responsibility from those involved, or those linked to the bombers. The point of terrorism is to communicate a message through acts of violence. The IRA used to call a newspaper, and now you often have claims on the Internet, said Prof Neumann. So far, he said, there have been no such claims, deepening the likelihood that the culprit(s) was either acting alone, or part of a small group loosely connected to a bigger ideology or network. The silence could also be explained if the police have
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Gerry Archer wrote: Investigators and experts in terrorism are following two main early theories about who might be behind the Boston bombings. That part may be fact based. When the reporter starts quoting Mark Potok's 'research' for the SPLC to fill in the missing details, that's when the article becomes entirely laughable. Always a potential problem when somebody on the other side of an ocean tries to tell us what's happening here. SPLC was founded to personally enrich Morris Dees, much like Scientology was founded to enrich Lafayette Hubbard. As a 501(c) charitable foundation, they're about as credible as Humane Society of the United States (which pretends that it runs the local animal shelters and takes donations that the donors think are for helping homeless pets) The lies that Potok spreads to keep the federal grants rolling in are what's sinking SPLC to new lows. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Greg Fiorentino wrote: An article that quotes the SPLC has close to zero credibility. Greg I suspect that Greg has been a position to read the SPLC crap, I mean, Potok's research reports that the fusion centers distribute to local law enforcement. Like one old command officer once told me, when he got those magazines from SPLC he had to throw them away before the rookie deputies got a hold of them and made the mistake of believing it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That would include left-wing domestic terrorist organizations as well, Earth Liberation Front etc. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I think they have hit on it correctly! --R (who is neither an investigator, nor an expert in terrorism, but thinks he might be able to say. It could be anyone) On 4/16/13 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The first is that domestic right-wing extremists were responsible. The second is that Islamists, either foreign or American, and linked to al-Qaeda spiritually or practically, were to blame. A third possibility is killers with no ideological agenda whatsoever. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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SPLC leaders have round the clock security to protect them from the terrorists that they expose. We all should be grateful for SPLC. FWIW, I am leaning toward Al Qaeda for the Boston acts of terror, since they would appear to have ample experience with IEDs.. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gerry Archer wrote: Investigators and experts in terrorism are following two main early theories about who might be behind the Boston bombings. That part may be fact based. When the reporter starts quoting Mark Potok's 'research' for the SPLC to fill in the missing details, that's when the article becomes entirely laughable. Always a potential problem when somebody on the other side of an ocean tries to tell us what's happening here. SPLC was founded to personally enrich Morris Dees, much like Scientology was founded to enrich Lafayette Hubbard. As a 501(c) charitable foundation, they're about as credible as Humane Society of the United States (which pretends that it runs the local animal shelters and takes donations that the donors think are for helping homeless pets) The lies that Potok spreads to keep the federal grants rolling in are what's sinking SPLC to new lows. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: SPLC leaders have round the clock security to protect them from the terrorists that they expose. We all should be grateful for SPLC. April 1st was two weeks ago. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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?? I was being serious. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: SPLC leaders have round the clock security to protect them from the terrorists that they expose. We all should be grateful for SPLC. April 1st was two weeks ago. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a better idea: repeal the second amendment. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Excellent advice, we'll introduce that common sense idea into the debate. Have you heard if the president has consulted with his good friends who are very knowledgeable about domestic terrorism, bombs, and such -- Bill and Bernadine? They might be able to provide some insight into these events. I am leading toward the hypothesis advanced by that noted legislative intellect, (Queen) Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Imwit, a part of Houston), who blames the sakester on the bombing. I'm pretty sure she hit the nail on the head. --R On 4/16/13 2:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I have a better idea: repeal the second amendment. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: ?? I was being serious. You were seriously using the fact (if true) that somebody likes to have bodyguards paid with other peoples' money as evidence of the accuracy of their purported terrorist research? http://politix.topix.com/homepage/5596-media-blames-republicans-tax-day-saudi-man-for-bombing Media Blames Republicans, 'Tax Day,' Saudi Man for Bombing Politically-motivated speculation is rampant. Boston police say no suspects are in custody 16 hrs ago by Mary Noble Today witnessed some striking examples of a long-standing American tradition: groundless political speculation from the media following a terrorist attack. Chris Matthews suggested a tax day tie-in, implying that perhaps anti-government could be the motive for the bombings. The explosion is a reminder that ATF needs a director. Shame on Senate Republicans for blocking apptment, tweeted the NYTimes's Nicholas Christof. He's since retracted. Meanwhile Alex Jones of the right-wing site Infowars suggested the government might be responsible: Our hearts go out to those that are hurt or killed #Boston marathon - but this thing stinks to high heaven #falseflag. The NY Post's report that a Saudi national is being held under guard at a hospital came under fire from the Washington Post. However, the Saudi in hospital story has a good deal more credibility than speculations about right-wing extremists. CBS is also reporting that a Saudi man is being questioned, and Politico independently reports that a person of interest, a foreigner, is being treated at Tufts Medical Center. The NY Post is sticking to their story, which is still live and unchanged on their site. More questionably, the Daily Caller has attached a photo montage of the 9/11 hijackers to their story, presumably to remind readers how deadly Saudis can be. Boston police have denied several times today that any suspect is in custody or under guard. CNN has drawn ire because one of their experts speculated that right-wing extremists could be behind the Boston explosions - but in fact the expert gave equal weight to the possibility of Al Qaeda involvement. Via the NYPost and CNN. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am all for a constitutional convention to amend the Constitution, but I doubt you'd be interested in amendments that will outlaw the Great Society and all the perversion of the law (read: wealth redistribution) that has followed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a better idea: repeal the second amendment. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Boston Marathon bombs: the early theories
You should be happy with all the wealth that I gave you on 4/15. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: I am all for a constitutional convention to amend the Constitution, but I doubt you'd be interested in amendments that will outlaw the Great Society and all the perversion of the law (read: wealth redistribution) that has followed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a better idea: repeal the second amendment. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Should we enact some common sense pressure cooker controls to minimize this kind of violence? Some background checks on pressure cooker buyers? Some pressure cooker registration and licensing? I am thinking this would just be common sense. It could very easily be appended to the gun control legislation, and could protect us from this kind of bombing. Maybe we could get Elizabeth Warren, the new senator from Mass, to sponsor this? If we all sent her an email I am sure she would respond. --R On 4/16/13 1:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: A former militant communist says it looked like a gunpowder bomb (like a pipe bomb but bigger): I've been waiting for someone to claim responsibility for this evil madness. Various jihadi groups have disclaimed it, and the use of what appeared to be smallish, simple devices of ball bearings and what from the plume seemed to be a gunpowder burster is not their style, although the target certainly was -- a gathering of innocents making a suitable body count. CBS News says: A law enforcement source told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that one of the explosive devices appears to have been placed in a metal pressure cooker (a metal kitchen pot with a locked down top) which had been placed in a black nylon bag or backpack. Investigators also found pieces of an electronic circuit board possibly indicating a timer was used in the detonation of the bomb. A law enforcement official told CBS News that the two bombs that exploded were made to look like discarded property. It is still unknown if one or both bombs were in garbage cans. One may have been on the sidewalk. The bombs were described as low explosive, but with anti-personnel packing. The official said there were apparently things like BB's, ball bearings and nails in the bombs. This is consistent with doctors reporting shrapnel pulled from victims. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
