Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor and unshaven.
Hendrik, the only thing pouty on me goes around my waist and the only hair growing above my nose is out of my ears and nose but I do have the 240D facial hair. That's the poster boy for the diesel crowd. John who is now using the leave blower instead of a California Duster on my black MB. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > And you have the 5 o'clock shadow and big pouty lips to go with it? > http://c1.gas2.org/files/2011/01/s350d_21.jpg > > Hendrik > who is a bit past a 5 o'clock shadow, has more the 240D type beard > > John Freer wrote: >> >> UGLY, are you kidding? This latest S Class has been the best selling S >> class in the history of MB. For the first time ever, they have outsold >> the Lexus and the Audi A8 combined. >> >> OK, I am prejudiced as I have had my 07 for 3 weeks now and just had >> to have one for the styling, features and interior >> comfortwonderful car! Of course I wouldn't have bought it without >> the 3 year CPO warranty! >> John >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't know whether a car has ever made me go weak at the knees, guess I am not that much of a 'car guy'. However I tend not to go much to the beach these days as my knees can't take the strain and the missus keeps hitting me. Hendrik who is weak in the head E M wrote: I have to agree. When the S550 came out, it was the first Mercedes in years that made me weak in the knees. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor and unshaven.
And you have the 5 o'clock shadow and big pouty lips to go with it? http://c1.gas2.org/files/2011/01/s350d_21.jpg Hendrik who is a bit past a 5 o'clock shadow, has more the 240D type beard John Freer wrote: UGLY, are you kidding? This latest S Class has been the best selling S class in the history of MB. For the first time ever, they have outsold the Lexus and the Audi A8 combined. OK, I am prejudiced as I have had my 07 for 3 weeks now and just had to have one for the styling, features and interior comfortwonderful car! Of course I wouldn't have bought it without the 3 year CPO warranty! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
I'm becoming more and more a Mercedes guy with each passing day. I have to say, I really like most of them, new and old, except for the cars during the late 90s, through to the mid late '00s, where I pretty much didn't like any of them. I loved the W124 from the first time I saw one. I didn't think years later, I'd have one. I still think it looks amazing, and it's one of my fave designs. I think the 190 was a very significant car for Mercedes too, and according to Bruno Sacco, it was and is his favourite design. I don't think they did as good a job scaling up the short high truck/ slab sided models when it came to the W140. I really like the W140s, but I don't think they got all the proportions as right, as they did with the 190 and 300. As I said, I like pretty much all of them, but for different reasons. I would love a 560 SEL, but it is very much a big classic, mechanical car. The current S is light years away from the old W126. They'll never build a car like the old W126 again, even if they wanted to. But don't write off the new car as all computers and plastic. It's built like a tank, and can take the daily abuse of life on the Autobahn. And while it's still a big, heavy, fast car, the advances in fuel economy would probably allow you to run two of the current cars, for what fuel would cost you to run one old 560. Ed 300E On 20 January 2011 20:55, OK Don wrote: > Yup - I don't drive the 124s because of the looks -- I like the 115 and 126 > better. I don't particularly like the 123 either. My ML is ugly. The 107 > SLC > is classy. > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Chicken/egg You have to look carefully which came first. In most cases, > > automotive features, including styling, come from Stuttgart, and spread > > elsewhere. (tip o' t' hat to Jaimie) > > > > That said, I sure prefer the looks of the 113, 123, 124 and especially > the > > 126 > > > > > > > > I think it is mostly a matter of taste. From an exterior standpoint, the > >> last Mercedes I thought looked really good was the W126. One glance and > you > >> *knew* it was a Mercedes Benz. > >> > >> Today's designs look generic. Hard to tell them apart from any of the > >> asian styles. Even BMW, who I thought held to the "classic" look much > >> longer, has fallen. Compare the current 740i to the current S class. > >> Cookie cutter. > >> Allan > >> -- > >> 1983 300D > >> -- > >> > > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 1992 300D 2.5T > 1990 300D 2.5T > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Yup - I don't drive the 124s because of the looks -- I like the 115 and 126 better. I don't particularly like the 123 either. My ML is ugly. The 107 SLC is classy. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Chicken/egg You have to look carefully which came first. In most cases, > automotive features, including styling, come from Stuttgart, and spread > elsewhere. (tip o' t' hat to Jaimie) > > That said, I sure prefer the looks of the 113, 123, 124 and especially the > 126 > > > > I think it is mostly a matter of taste. From an exterior standpoint, the >> last Mercedes I thought looked really good was the W126. One glance and you >> *knew* it was a Mercedes Benz. >> >> Today's designs look generic. Hard to tell them apart from any of the >> asian styles. Even BMW, who I thought held to the "classic" look much >> longer, has fallen. Compare the current 740i to the current S class. >> Cookie cutter. >> Allan >> -- >> 1983 300D >> -- >> > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Chicken/egg You have to look carefully which came first. In most cases, automotive features, including styling, come from Stuttgart, and spread elsewhere. (tip o' t' hat to Jaimie) That said, I sure prefer the looks of the 113, 123, 124 and especially the 126 I think it is mostly a matter of taste. From an exterior standpoint, the last Mercedes I thought looked really good was the W126. One glance and you *knew* it was a Mercedes Benz. Today's designs look generic. Hard to tell them apart from any of the asian styles. Even BMW, who I thought held to the "classic" look much longer, has fallen. Compare the current 740i to the current S class. Cookie cutter. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
I think it is mostly a matter of taste. From an exterior standpoint, the last Mercedes I thought looked really good was the W126. One glance and you *knew* it was a Mercedes Benz. Today's designs look generic. Hard to tell them apart from any of the asian styles. Even BMW, who I thought held to the "classic" look much longer, has fallen. Compare the current 740i to the current S class. Cookie cutter. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
I have to agree. When the S550 came out, it was the first Mercedes in years that made me weak in the knees. I do prefer the pre-update rear lights, but that's just personal taste. The interior is a brilliant blend of tradition and technology. In the past, Mercedes has said that it was the SL that often set the design style for the new range of models to follow. I think this time, it was the S that set the pace. The C and E seem to have followed with a lot of the S Class's genetic material, which is ok by me. I really think Mercedes is on a roll, and I hope they can keep the momentum going! I've been trying to find spy shots of the next S to see what their next move it. Several insiders seem to think, some of the design of the current F800 concept car will be found on the next S Class. Also, I've read they are thinking about killing off the Maybach brand (I have seen pics of a looong test mule, wearing current S Class body panels that is said to be the next Maybach 62?, so who knows), and will then use the opportunity to offer the next generation of S in a form that gets much closer to the Maybach. For some of the higher optioned models anyway. I think the future is looking pretty exciting for Mercedes! :-) Ed 300E On 19 January 2011 23:54, John Freer wrote: > UGLY, are you kidding? This latest S Class has been the best selling S > class in the history of MB. For the first time ever, they have outsold > the Lexus and the Audi A8 combined. > > OK, I am prejudiced as I have had my 07 for 3 weeks now and just had > to have one for the styling, features and interior > comfortwonderful car! Of course I wouldn't have bought it without > the 3 year CPO warranty! > John > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:47 PM, OK Don wrote: > > Yes, it did. But - WHY did they make it so UGLY? > > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > > > >> Hans Neureiter wrote: > >> > >>> http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ > >>> > >> > >> Did a cold chill run down your spine when you read '3.5 liter > turbocharged > >> six cylinder diesel engine'? (yes, I know it's completely unrelated to > the > >> last S350 diesel, with the exception of the tristar logo) > >> > >> Mitch. > > > > -- > > OK Don > > 2001 ML320 > > 1992 300D 2.5T > > 1990 300D 2.5T > > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
UGLY, are you kidding? This latest S Class has been the best selling S class in the history of MB. For the first time ever, they have outsold the Lexus and the Audi A8 combined. OK, I am prejudiced as I have had my 07 for 3 weeks now and just had to have one for the styling, features and interior comfortwonderful car! Of course I wouldn't have bought it without the 3 year CPO warranty! John On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:47 PM, OK Don wrote: > Yes, it did. But - WHY did they make it so UGLY? > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > >> Hans Neureiter wrote: >> >>> http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ >>> >> >> Did a cold chill run down your spine when you read '3.5 liter turbocharged >> six cylinder diesel engine'? (yes, I know it's completely unrelated to the >> last S350 diesel, with the exception of the tristar logo) >> >> Mitch. > > -- > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 1992 300D 2.5T > 1990 300D 2.5T > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Yes, it did. But - WHY did they make it so UGLY? On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Hans Neureiter wrote: > >> http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ >> > > Did a cold chill run down your spine when you read '3.5 liter turbocharged > six cylinder diesel engine'? (yes, I know it's completely unrelated to the > last S350 diesel, with the exception of the tristar logo) > > Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Rich Thomas wrote: I got a tingle down my leg. If they're gonna splay the cylinders in a vee, I'll take the 420 CDI instead of the 350. (but I'd rather have the straight six) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
I got a tingle down my leg. --R On 1/19/2011 9:19 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Hans Neureiter wrote: http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ Did a cold chill run down your spine when you read '3.5 liter turbocharged six cylinder diesel engine'? (yes, I know it's completely unrelated to the last S350 diesel, with the exception of the tristar logo) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Yeah, 'my first thought, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor. Those wheels are almost big enough for Wilton's taste. Allan On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:23 -0500, "Rich Thomas" wrote: I want one. --R On 1/19/2011 8:14 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: > http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ > > Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX > '82 300SD > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Those wheels are almost big enough for Wilton's taste. Allan On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:23 -0500, "Rich Thomas" wrote: > I want one. > > --R > > On 1/19/2011 8:14 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: > > http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ > > > > Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX > > '82 300SD > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Dieselhead wrote: Best mileage car is NOT a "hybrid" http://gas2.org/2008/03/12/the-worlds-most-fuel-efficient-car-285-mpg-not-a-hybrid/ It is also NOT a supermileage car, but a car that may be adapted for production. It gets mileage similar to a supermileage car. Article sez it was in production last year, but I don't think so. Was slated for limited production in 2010, then put off until 2013. Here's the revised version, apparently 'Hybrid' sounds so much better than 'diesel', and they decided that 120kph top speed didn't cut it. Performance on this one is similar to the original 300SD. I don't know what's up with the horsepower, a 1.6L TDI makes more than 58 ponies. (various versions rated 74 to 103hp) "The second Volkswagen 1-litre car, named 'L1', released at the 2009 Frankfurt Motor Show, has a curb weight of 381 kg (840 lb), coefficient of drag of 0.195, and fuel efficiency of 1.38 L/100 km (170 mpg-US) with CO2 emissions of 39 g/km. It uses one half of a 1.6-litre TDI engine in a hybrid installation. The 800 cm3, twin-cylinder, common-rail, turbodiesel is joined by a 10.4 kW (14 bhp) electric motor. The engine operates in two modes with the eco mode giving 5.2 kW (7 bhp) and sport mode 21.6 kW (29 bhp), the electric motor provides extra acceleration and can power the L1 on its own for short distances. The L1 can achieve a top speed of 158 km/h (99 mph), with 0–100 km/h (0-62 mph) acceleration in 14.3 s" ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Hans Neureiter wrote: http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ Did a cold chill run down your spine when you read '3.5 liter turbocharged six cylinder diesel engine'? (yes, I know it's completely unrelated to the last S350 diesel, with the exception of the tristar logo) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Best mileage car is NOT a "hybrid" http://gas2.org/2008/03/12/the-worlds-most-fuel-efficient-car-285-mpg-not-a-hybrid/ It is also NOT a supermileage car, but a car that may be adapted for production. It gets mileage similar to a supermileage car. Article sez it was in production last year, but I don't think so. http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
I want one. --R On 1/19/2011 8:14 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
http://gas2.org/2011/01/11/mercedes-reveals-diesel-flagship-for-2012/ Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor.
Yeah well the days of the model T are gone, people want gadgets to make their life easier and safer. This does not just apply to the automotive industry. The base model you refer to is the taxi edition, which can be ordered by the public but I dare say the average Merc in the showrooms of Europe is not the Taxi model. Which reminds me of the 180E, which was a Oz model only because the socialist government of the day introduced a luxury car tax for cars over AU$50K (or thereabouts) so MB took a 190E and removed bits and pieces and sold it for just under AU$50K (whereas the 190E went for AU$60K+), thing is that these days a 180E goes for the same sort of money as a better equipped 190E. Ahh yeah the luxury car tax threshold was set to be just above the price of a new locally produced top of the line Holden or Fard, funny that. Hendrik who is fixing Mum's 190E Allan Streib wrote: I tend to take the other view: I'd rather get the world-class engineering, quality, and durability but be able to stay simple with the options. Manual transmission, climate control, and windows, Tex seat coverings, no wood, etc. would be fine with me if the car was otherwise a Mercedes Benz. You can get these "base" models in europe, and they are still expensive compared to a tin can economy car, but it seems that MB USA has long felt that it would hurt the prestige of the brand to have anything less than the fully loaded versions available here. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
I had an M8. I sold it because I was disappointed with high-ISO noise and poor software quality. I had it serviced by Leica and there was little improvement. I replaced it with a Nikon D700. Although I can't use any of the same glass, the camera blows away the M8. I didn't compare with them M9 as they're just too expensive. I bought the M8 used and sold it for about what I paid. Jaime On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > Jaime Kopchinski writes: > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ > > Another off-topic... do you have a Leica digital? Is it an M8 or M9? > How do you like it? > > The M8 seemed to have some issues, requiring special filters etc. to > resolve. Anything like that with the M9? > > A Leica digital rangefinder is one of my dream purchases should I ever > come into a pile of money. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback now parking lot paving
Ed wrote: > kind of an interlock type brick, but the centre is hollow, which is > backfilled and leveled with earth, and grass planted in it. Many developments that need to supply access to a pond for use by fire fighting draft-pump trucks use this type of access. Google grass pavers to see the products you are looking for. Also there is this without grass: http://www.uni-groupusa.org/ecoloc.htm mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback now parking lot paving
the Zoo in Tulsa has some old walk ways that are built like that. On 1/16/2011 1:01 PM, E M wrote: There is an interesting tile I've seen in Germany, used around buildings, but not so much in areas with high risk of oil, gas, and other spills. It's kind of an interlock type brick, but the centre is hollow, which is backfilled and leveled with earth, and grass planted in it. Can't find them here, but if I could, I'd like a driveway made of them. If I can find a pic, I'll post it. Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 12:00, Rich Thomas wrote: They probably also have some sort of system to collect the rain and such (fuel and oils) that permeate into the ground under the tiles, so that it doesn't foul up the water. Near us the idiot developers are trying to build an office/apt development near the Angel Oak http://www.angeloaktree.org/ and one of the requirements placed on the design was to have a permeable parking surface of some sort, though no collection (this way we can be assured that instead of running into the marsh and kill the marsh it will go into the groundwater and kill the tree). --R On 1/16/2011 11:28 AM, E M wrote: Many of the tiles and bricks you'll notice are designed in a way, to allow of water to run off or through them, reducing the load on the drain and sewer system. Also, ever notice as soon as you lay fresh asphalt, a pipe or wire then needs replacing, and an ugly patch soon follows. With tiles, they're more expensive up front, but if they need to come up, they can be reused again. My drive was done years ago now, but depending on the tile and design, Interloc might not be a lot more than concrete. Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 11:13, Allan Streib wrote: Totally off-topic, but you notice how the fuel station is paved with tiles instead of a slab of concrete? This is very common in Europe, even being the norm in residential properties, and I don't really understand it because it's so much more expensive and labor intensive to set paver tiles than pour concrete. (I'd love to do my driveway in paver tiles like that but it's just more expensive than I can justify). Anyone know why this is so common in Europe? Is it a some kind of zoning rule? Just more "pride of ownership" by the property owners? Allan Jaime Kopchinski writes: S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer to drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business trip. I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather conditions. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ Jaime On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas< richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. --R On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: Hey Guys, I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return to the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would really take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You do see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback now parking lot paving
I think you are describing pavers that they use around here (Florida) when paving around trees and such. They will do this so water can get to the roots and not run off. They are interlocking but have holes in them that are filled with dirt and often end up having grass growing in them. If it gets thick enough you can hardly tell the pavers are there. Dan --- On Sun, 1/16/11, E M wrote: > From: E M > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback now parking lot paving > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 2:01 PM > There is an interesting tile I've > seen in Germany, used around buildings, > but not so much in areas with high risk of oil, gas, and > other spills. It's > kind of an interlock type brick, but the centre is hollow, > which is > backfilled and leveled with earth, and grass planted in > it. Can't find them > here, but if I could, I'd like a driveway made of > them. If I can find a > pic, I'll post it. > > Ed > 300E > > On 16 January 2011 12:00, Rich Thomas > wrote: > > > They probably also have some sort of system to collect > the rain and such > > (fuel and oils) that permeate into the ground under > the tiles, so that it > > doesn't foul up the water. Near us the idiot > developers are trying to build > > an office/apt development near the Angel Oak http://www.angeloaktree.org/ > > and one of the > requirements placed on the design was to have a permeable > > parking surface of some sort, though no collection > (this way we can be > > assured that instead of running into the marsh and > kill the marsh it will go > > into the groundwater and kill the tree). > > > > --R > > > > On 1/16/2011 11:28 AM, E M wrote: > > > >> Many of the tiles and bricks you'll notice are > designed in a way, to allow > >> of water to run off or through them, reducing the > load on the drain and > >> sewer system. Also, ever notice as soon as > you lay fresh asphalt, a pipe > >> or > >> wire then needs replacing, and an ugly patch soon > follows. With tiles, > >> they're more expensive up front, but if they need > to come up, they can be > >> reused again. My drive was done years ago > now, but depending on the tile > >> and design, Interloc might not be a lot more than > concrete. > >> > >> Ed > >> 300E > >> > >> On 16 January 2011 11:13, Allan Streib > wrote: > >> > >> Totally off-topic, but you notice how the > fuel station is paved with > >>> tiles instead of a slab of concrete? > This is very common in Europe, > >>> even being the norm in residential properties, > and I don't really > >>> understand it because it's so much more > expensive and labor intensive to > >>> set paver tiles than pour concrete. (I'd > love to do my driveway in > >>> paver tiles like that but it's just more > expensive than I can justify). > >>> Anyone know why this is so common in > Europe? Is it a some kind of > >>> zoning rule? Just more "pride of > ownership" by the property owners? > >>> > >>> Allan > >>> > >>> Jaime Kopchinski > writes: > >>> > >>> S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel > economy that the S400. Much > >>>> nicer > >>>> > >>> to > >>> > >>>> drive, too. I've driven both on US > roads. > >>>> > >>>> The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an > excellent car is every way. > >>>> Powerful, economical, safe, > comfortable, etc. > >>>> > >>>> Last year at this time I was just arriving > in Germany for a business > >>>> > >>> trip. > >>> > >>>> I took an S420cdi for the weekend > with my wife. That car was a > >>>> monster! > >>>> Unfortunately, I didn't get to push > it very hard due to weather > >>>> > >>> conditions. > >>> > >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ > >>>> > >>>> Jaime > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich > Thomas< > >>>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon > down the road. I have not yet > >>
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback now parking lot paving
There is an interesting tile I've seen in Germany, used around buildings, but not so much in areas with high risk of oil, gas, and other spills. It's kind of an interlock type brick, but the centre is hollow, which is backfilled and leveled with earth, and grass planted in it. Can't find them here, but if I could, I'd like a driveway made of them. If I can find a pic, I'll post it. Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 12:00, Rich Thomas wrote: > They probably also have some sort of system to collect the rain and such > (fuel and oils) that permeate into the ground under the tiles, so that it > doesn't foul up the water. Near us the idiot developers are trying to build > an office/apt development near the Angel Oak http://www.angeloaktree.org/ and > one of the requirements placed on the design was to have a permeable > parking surface of some sort, though no collection (this way we can be > assured that instead of running into the marsh and kill the marsh it will go > into the groundwater and kill the tree). > > --R > > On 1/16/2011 11:28 AM, E M wrote: > >> Many of the tiles and bricks you'll notice are designed in a way, to allow >> of water to run off or through them, reducing the load on the drain and >> sewer system. Also, ever notice as soon as you lay fresh asphalt, a pipe >> or >> wire then needs replacing, and an ugly patch soon follows. With tiles, >> they're more expensive up front, but if they need to come up, they can be >> reused again. My drive was done years ago now, but depending on the tile >> and design, Interloc might not be a lot more than concrete. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> >> On 16 January 2011 11:13, Allan Streib wrote: >> >> Totally off-topic, but you notice how the fuel station is paved with >>> tiles instead of a slab of concrete? This is very common in Europe, >>> even being the norm in residential properties, and I don't really >>> understand it because it's so much more expensive and labor intensive to >>> set paver tiles than pour concrete. (I'd love to do my driveway in >>> paver tiles like that but it's just more expensive than I can justify). >>> Anyone know why this is so common in Europe? Is it a some kind of >>> zoning rule? Just more "pride of ownership" by the property owners? >>> >>> Allan >>> >>> Jaime Kopchinski writes: >>> >>> S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer >>> to >>> drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business >>> trip. >>> I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather >>> conditions. >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ Jaime On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas< richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet > formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. > > --R > > > On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: > > Hey Guys, >> >> I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a >> > return >>> to >> the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas >> is >> > up >>> to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, >> > it >>> seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now >> edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if >> Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would >> really >> take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! >> > You >>> do >> see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer >> > them >>> in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or c
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback now parking lot paving
They probably also have some sort of system to collect the rain and such (fuel and oils) that permeate into the ground under the tiles, so that it doesn't foul up the water. Near us the idiot developers are trying to build an office/apt development near the Angel Oak http://www.angeloaktree.org/ and one of the requirements placed on the design was to have a permeable parking surface of some sort, though no collection (this way we can be assured that instead of running into the marsh and kill the marsh it will go into the groundwater and kill the tree). --R On 1/16/2011 11:28 AM, E M wrote: Many of the tiles and bricks you'll notice are designed in a way, to allow of water to run off or through them, reducing the load on the drain and sewer system. Also, ever notice as soon as you lay fresh asphalt, a pipe or wire then needs replacing, and an ugly patch soon follows. With tiles, they're more expensive up front, but if they need to come up, they can be reused again. My drive was done years ago now, but depending on the tile and design, Interloc might not be a lot more than concrete. Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 11:13, Allan Streib wrote: Totally off-topic, but you notice how the fuel station is paved with tiles instead of a slab of concrete? This is very common in Europe, even being the norm in residential properties, and I don't really understand it because it's so much more expensive and labor intensive to set paver tiles than pour concrete. (I'd love to do my driveway in paver tiles like that but it's just more expensive than I can justify). Anyone know why this is so common in Europe? Is it a some kind of zoning rule? Just more "pride of ownership" by the property owners? Allan Jaime Kopchinski writes: S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer to drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business trip. I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather conditions. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ Jaime On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas< richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. --R On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: Hey Guys, I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return to the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would really take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You do see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
why cant we get cool cars like there here?? On 1/16/2011 7:10 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer to drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business trip. I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather conditions. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ Jaime -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
I think they totally blew it when they introduced the "C" (cheap) class. They coupled this car with a bargain basement leasing program that allowed just about any warm body with an income that walked in the door to drive out with a car. Not that there should be exclusivity with MBs, but I think they really diluted the marque by doing this, and in some respects dragged it down to a level of being no better than a Ford Taurus. In fact, if you ask me, the original C class models looked no different than most of the "jellybeans" that were on the market at the time. I think other brands have done a much better job of marketing and elevating or maintaining the cachet of their brand (Lexus, Acura, etc.) than MB has in the past 5-10 years, IMHO. Dan --- On Sun, 1/16/11, E M wrote: > From: E M > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback. > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 11:23 AM > While Mercedes is still a premium > brand, I think they've worked hard to > water down their image over the years. It's hard to > label yourself as being > an exclusively luxury brand, when you have B Class models > sitting next to S > Class models on the showroom floor. 25 years ago, > even with what is now > considered a basic D240, there was a unique "quality" to > the car, and it was > felt while cheaper, and an entry level car, the same > quality and engineering > went into it, as their more expensive offerings. > Today, it would be pretty > hard to convince anyone, that when you buy a B Class, > you're getting S Class > engineering and quality, in a smaller package. It is > what it is, and that's > an alternative to a small Ford or Toyota. > > Options make money, car volume, to a much lesser > extent. More profitable to > load up every model with satnav and other toys, than to > sell twice as many > car, in basic form. > > Ed > 300E > > On 16 January 2011 10:20, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > That may work in Canada, but in the US, the sales > chimps just look at you > > like you have 8 eyes, one ear, 7 arms and 3 > legs. They can't throw you out > > fast enough. > > > > The answer to the prior question about why we can't > get a simple > > bulletproof car in the US/NA marketis simple. It > is because the marketing > > geniuses at MumBUSA anve dictated that MB shall be > "positioned" as a > > "luxury" brand. Whatever they define > as a "luxury"... > > > > MB still makes utilitarian cars for the rest of the > world, but anything > > that relies on electronics, I can't label as > bulletproof or reliable. In > > the 30s they made the SS and the SSK for kings and the > 170 for commoners. > > In the 50s they made the adenauer for kings and > princes, and the 170 for > > commoners. In the 60s they made the 600 for > kings and popes, and the 190 > > for commoners. today they make the Maybach for > kings and oil princes, the > > S600 for movie stars, and the A170D for commoners. > > > > The problems are the US EPA and the Imperial dictators > at Mumbusa. > > Somewhere around 1970, the "marketing" MBAs gained > control at MBNA and > > dictated that MB shall be a "luxury" brand. > Unfortuntately for them, the > > austerity of the first and second "fuel crisis" > prevented them from doing > > away with the 240D until 1985. > > > > The US EPA, since the 1985 announcement by mother GM > the "Diesels are > > terrible (because we are too cheap to build a decent > diesel engine)" has > > been pressured by GM, and perhaps frod and crypsler to > keep changing the > > "emissions" dictates so that Diesels can't meet the > reg. > > > > VW and MB have outwitted the EPA dimwits so many times > now, that the EPA is > > less aggressive in trying to keep Diesels out. > > > > When DB bought crypsler, I had hopes that those > products might become the > > "commoner" MB line for NA/USA, because they were not > MB. It looked like > > that was happening, as the crypsler engineering > started looking more and > > more like MB engineering. If the nasty divorce > had not happened, we were > > supposed to get a wide array of crypsler models with > MB Diesels. > > > > Bottom line is Mumbusa has no interest in what the > public wants outside of > > NYC and beverly hills/brentwood. > > > > > > x > > > > > > > > > > I think the best
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
Many of the tiles and bricks you'll notice are designed in a way, to allow of water to run off or through them, reducing the load on the drain and sewer system. Also, ever notice as soon as you lay fresh asphalt, a pipe or wire then needs replacing, and an ugly patch soon follows. With tiles, they're more expensive up front, but if they need to come up, they can be reused again. My drive was done years ago now, but depending on the tile and design, Interloc might not be a lot more than concrete. Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 11:13, Allan Streib wrote: > Totally off-topic, but you notice how the fuel station is paved with > tiles instead of a slab of concrete? This is very common in Europe, > even being the norm in residential properties, and I don't really > understand it because it's so much more expensive and labor intensive to > set paver tiles than pour concrete. (I'd love to do my driveway in > paver tiles like that but it's just more expensive than I can justify). > Anyone know why this is so common in Europe? Is it a some kind of > zoning rule? Just more "pride of ownership" by the property owners? > > Allan > > Jaime Kopchinski writes: > > > S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer > to > > drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. > > > > The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. > > Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. > > > > Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business > trip. > > I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! > > Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather > conditions. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ > > > > Jaime > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas < > > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > > > >> I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet > >> formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. > >> > >> --R > >> > >> > >> On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Guys, > >>> > >>> I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a > return > >>> to > >>> the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is > up > >>> to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, > it > >>> seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now > >>> edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if > >>> Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would > >>> really > >>> take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! > You > >>> do > >>> see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer > them > >>> in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. > >>> > >>> Ed > >>> 300E > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > 1983 300D > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jaime Kopchinski writes: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ Another off-topic... do you have a Leica digital? Is it an M8 or M9? How do you like it? The M8 seemed to have some issues, requiring special filters etc. to resolve. Anything like that with the M9? A Leica digital rangefinder is one of my dream purchases should I ever come into a pile of money. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
While Mercedes is still a premium brand, I think they've worked hard to water down their image over the years. It's hard to label yourself as being an exclusively luxury brand, when you have B Class models sitting next to S Class models on the showroom floor. 25 years ago, even with what is now considered a basic D240, there was a unique "quality" to the car, and it was felt while cheaper, and an entry level car, the same quality and engineering went into it, as their more expensive offerings. Today, it would be pretty hard to convince anyone, that when you buy a B Class, you're getting S Class engineering and quality, in a smaller package. It is what it is, and that's an alternative to a small Ford or Toyota. Options make money, car volume, to a much lesser extent. More profitable to load up every model with satnav and other toys, than to sell twice as many car, in basic form. Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 10:20, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > That may work in Canada, but in the US, the sales chimps just look at you > like you have 8 eyes, one ear, 7 arms and 3 legs. They can't throw you out > fast enough. > > The answer to the prior question about why we can't get a simple > bulletproof car in the US/NA marketis simple. It is because the marketing > geniuses at MumBUSA anve dictated that MB shall be "positioned" as a > "luxury" brand. Whatever they define as a "luxury"... > > MB still makes utilitarian cars for the rest of the world, but anything > that relies on electronics, I can't label as bulletproof or reliable. In > the 30s they made the SS and the SSK for kings and the 170 for commoners. > In the 50s they made the adenauer for kings and princes, and the 170 for > commoners. In the 60s they made the 600 for kings and popes, and the 190 > for commoners. today they make the Maybach for kings and oil princes, the > S600 for movie stars, and the A170D for commoners. > > The problems are the US EPA and the Imperial dictators at Mumbusa. > Somewhere around 1970, the "marketing" MBAs gained control at MBNA and > dictated that MB shall be a "luxury" brand. Unfortuntately for them, the > austerity of the first and second "fuel crisis" prevented them from doing > away with the 240D until 1985. > > The US EPA, since the 1985 announcement by mother GM the "Diesels are > terrible (because we are too cheap to build a decent diesel engine)" has > been pressured by GM, and perhaps frod and crypsler to keep changing the > "emissions" dictates so that Diesels can't meet the reg. > > VW and MB have outwitted the EPA dimwits so many times now, that the EPA is > less aggressive in trying to keep Diesels out. > > When DB bought crypsler, I had hopes that those products might become the > "commoner" MB line for NA/USA, because they were not MB. It looked like > that was happening, as the crypsler engineering started looking more and > more like MB engineering. If the nasty divorce had not happened, we were > supposed to get a wide array of crypsler models with MB Diesels. > > Bottom line is Mumbusa has no interest in what the public wants outside of > NYC and beverly hills/brentwood. > > > x > > > > > I think the best way to ensure future models, is to buy, or ask for those >> cars today at the dealer. Go in and say to the manager, "this is what I >> want, and if you offered one, I'd buy it". >> >> Ed >> 300E >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
E M writes: > I think the best way to ensure future models, is to buy, or ask for those > cars today at the dealer. Go in and say to the manager, "this is what I > want, and if you offered one, I'd buy it". I've never been to a Mercedes dealer (nearest one is over 50 miles away) but around here, as soon as a they understand that you're not going to buy a car "today," they start looking around for someone else to talk to. I even once went to the used-car manager at a particular dealer, told him exactly what I was in the market for, and asked that if he happened to get a nice example in his inventory to give me a call. Never heard from him. Perhaps a dealer for a marque like MB is a bit more customer oriented, but around here it's all about getting you to buy what they have on the lot, ASAP. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
Totally off-topic, but you notice how the fuel station is paved with tiles instead of a slab of concrete? This is very common in Europe, even being the norm in residential properties, and I don't really understand it because it's so much more expensive and labor intensive to set paver tiles than pour concrete. (I'd love to do my driveway in paver tiles like that but it's just more expensive than I can justify). Anyone know why this is so common in Europe? Is it a some kind of zoning rule? Just more "pride of ownership" by the property owners? Allan Jaime Kopchinski writes: > S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer to > drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. > > The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. > Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. > > Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business trip. > I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! > Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather conditions. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ > > Jaime > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas < > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > >> I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet >> formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. >> >> --R >> >> >> On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: >> >>> Hey Guys, >>> >>> I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return >>> to >>> the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up >>> to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it >>> seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now >>> edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if >>> Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would >>> really >>> take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You >>> do >>> see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them >>> in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. >>> >>> Ed >>> 300E >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
I tend to take the other view: I'd rather get the world-class engineering, quality, and durability but be able to stay simple with the options. Manual transmission, climate control, and windows, Tex seat coverings, no wood, etc. would be fine with me if the car was otherwise a Mercedes Benz. You can get these "base" models in europe, and they are still expensive compared to a tin can economy car, but it seems that MB USA has long felt that it would hurt the prestige of the brand to have anything less than the fully loaded versions available here. Allan E M writes: > According to what I read, Canadians are a bit more accepting of diesels than > Americans, at the moment. Seems Mercedes has plans though, which includes > diesels making up to 10% of their sales in the US, and 20% in Canada, in the > not too distant future. So your diesel C Class might possibly be on its way > one of these days. ;-) > > My one request to Mercedes, is not to cheap down their S Class too much. > There seems to be this perception in North America, where if you want a > diesel, you want cheap. I'd like to see a diesel S Class, but I'd like to > see all options available on it, that are available on the gas models. Just > because someone doesn't feel the need to burn premium in a V12 that's > sitting in city traffic, doesn't mean they don't have an appreciation for > burl walnut, nappa leather, and other fine things. Might even be easier to > justify splashing out on some of those options, when you think about all the > money you'll be saving on fuel. hee hee > > Ed > 300E > > On 15 January 2011 21:14, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > >> Wish they would send us a 4 banger c class diesel with a manual >> transmission. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:00 PM, E M wrote: >> >> I'm in minivan mode all week, so I'm on regular. hee hee. Add about a >> dime+ >> to the regular cost for premium. But at my station, that still buys you >> 100% gas with premium, no ethanol. Regular is cut by up to 10%, while >> midgrade by up to 5%. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> >> On 15 January 2011 19:34, John Freer wrote: >> >> Yeah, I just read that too. To be fair, you need to compare diesel >> fuel costs vs. premium gas as the last MB to burn regular was the 380 >> engine series. >> >> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:30 PM, E M wrote: >> Hey Guys, >> >> I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return >> to >> the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is >> up >> to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, >> it >> seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now >> edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if >> Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would >> really >> take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You >> do >> see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them >> in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
I like that car. Too bad they don't sell them in the US. --R On 1/16/2011 8:10 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer to drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business trip. I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather conditions. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ Jaime On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas< richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. --R On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: Hey Guys, I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return to the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would really take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You do see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
That may work in Canada, but in the US, the sales chimps just look at you like you have 8 eyes, one ear, 7 arms and 3 legs. They can't throw you out fast enough. The answer to the prior question about why we can't get a simple bulletproof car in the US/NA marketis simple. It is because the marketing geniuses at MumBUSA anve dictated that MB shall be "positioned" as a "luxury" brand. Whatever they define as a "luxury"... MB still makes utilitarian cars for the rest of the world, but anything that relies on electronics, I can't label as bulletproof or reliable. In the 30s they made the SS and the SSK for kings and the 170 for commoners. In the 50s they made the adenauer for kings and princes, and the 170 for commoners. In the 60s they made the 600 for kings and popes, and the 190 for commoners. today they make the Maybach for kings and oil princes, the S600 for movie stars, and the A170D for commoners. The problems are the US EPA and the Imperial dictators at Mumbusa. Somewhere around 1970, the "marketing" MBAs gained control at MBNA and dictated that MB shall be a "luxury" brand. Unfortuntately for them, the austerity of the first and second "fuel crisis" prevented them from doing away with the 240D until 1985. The US EPA, since the 1985 announcement by mother GM the "Diesels are terrible (because we are too cheap to build a decent diesel engine)" has been pressured by GM, and perhaps frod and crypsler to keep changing the "emissions" dictates so that Diesels can't meet the reg. VW and MB have outwitted the EPA dimwits so many times now, that the EPA is less aggressive in trying to keep Diesels out. When DB bought crypsler, I had hopes that those products might become the "commoner" MB line for NA/USA, because they were not MB. It looked like that was happening, as the crypsler engineering started looking more and more like MB engineering. If the nasty divorce had not happened, we were supposed to get a wide array of crypsler models with MB Diesels. Bottom line is Mumbusa has no interest in what the public wants outside of NYC and beverly hills/brentwood. x I think the best way to ensure future models, is to buy, or ask for those cars today at the dealer. Go in and say to the manager, "this is what I want, and if you offered one, I'd buy it". Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
Sounds like a lot of work! hee hee. Just ask the dealer when they intend to offer a new diesel coupe here. Who knows what Mercedes strategy is for the coming years. They have mentioned they want to increase diesels sales in North America. Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 07:38, Mitch Haley wrote: > andrew strasfogel wrote: > >> Where is the diesel coupe successor to the W123 300CD that exited the >> stage >> in 1985? >> > > Gather up a dead 560SEC, a 1998-1999 300D with a failed spring perch, and > an injection pump from a 1987 300D. Buy some 300SDL motor mounts, and pay > somebody to combine the front end of the 300D driveshaft with the back end > of the SEC driveshaft. Assemble and enjoy. > Alternately, you could buy any W124 300D and a 300CE with leaky valve > guides and blown head gasket, then the conversion would be a simple parts > swap. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
Oh, and very nice photo! I still prefer these tail lamps to the new restyled ones. New ones make the back look a bit heavy to me. Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 08:10, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer > to > drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. > > The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. > Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. > > Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business trip. > I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! > Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather > conditions. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ > > Jaime > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas < > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > > > I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet > > formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. > > > > --R > > > > > > On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: > > > >> Hey Guys, > >> > >> I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a > return > >> to > >> the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is > up > >> to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, > it > >> seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now > >> edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if > >> Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would > >> really > >> take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! > You > >> do > >> see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer > them > >> in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. > >> > >> Ed > >> 300E > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
I forget the numbers for the upcoming S350 for the US, but they say power and torque is slightly higher than the Euro model. 260HP, but the torque is 420 f/lbs + or something. Should give more than enough performance for the type of car it is. Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 08:10, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer > to > drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. > > The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. > Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. > > Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business trip. > I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! > Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather > conditions. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ > > Jaime > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas < > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > > > I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet > > formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. > > > > --R > > > > > > On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: > > > >> Hey Guys, > >> > >> I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a > return > >> to > >> the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is > up > >> to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, > it > >> seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now > >> edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if > >> Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would > >> really > >> take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! > You > >> do > >> see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer > them > >> in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. > >> > >> Ed > >> 300E > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
I suspect the profit margins are cars (per unit) isn't all the high when compared to the profit on options. I'm sure a C Class with a few nice options makes more money for Mercedes, than selling 2 basic C class models. About 10 years ago, there was a C Class model, which I think was a Canadian offering only. It didn't have a diesel, but it had their smallest gas engine at the time, cloth seats, and power windows on only two of the windows. Can't remember if they were the front or the rear windows. In some ways, they were following GMs approach to making an affordable model...they never wanted owner to forget, they had bought their cheapest car. Almost like having some windows power, was a tease to remind you, what power windows would have been like if you sprung for the option all around. hee hee. I think the best way to ensure future models, is to buy, or ask for those cars today at the dealer. Go in and say to the manager, "this is what I want, and if you offered one, I'd buy it". Ed 300E On 16 January 2011 06:40, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > Yes I agree. The S class should always bs an all out full splurge affair. > That's the point. What I expect from the C class is a well built, affordable > fuel efficient car. It's ok to have better appointed models as well as AMG > versions but make a basic bulletproof diesel available for us. Kind of like > the old 240D. That basic bulletproof car coexisted with the 450SEL 6.9. Why > can't we have such a scenario today? Why does Mercedes have to fill only the > luxury market in the US? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 15, 2011, at 9:48 PM, E M wrote: > > According to what I read, Canadians are a bit more accepting of diesels > than > Americans, at the moment. Seems Mercedes has plans though, which includes > diesels making up to 10% of their sales in the US, and 20% in Canada, in > the > not too distant future. So your diesel C Class might possibly be on its > way > one of these days. ;-) > > My one request to Mercedes, is not to cheap down their S Class too much. > There seems to be this perception in North America, where if you want a > diesel, you want cheap. I'd like to see a diesel S Class, but I'd like to > see all options available on it, that are available on the gas models. > Just > because someone doesn't feel the need to burn premium in a V12 that's > sitting in city traffic, doesn't mean they don't have an appreciation for > burl walnut, nappa leather, and other fine things. Might even be easier > to > justify splashing out on some of those options, when you think about all > the > money you'll be saving on fuel. hee hee > > Ed > 300E > > On 15 January 2011 21:14, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > Wish they would send us a 4 banger c class diesel with a manual > transmission. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:00 PM, E M wrote: > > I'm in minivan mode all week, so I'm on regular. hee hee. Add about a > dime+ > to the regular cost for premium. But at my station, that still buys you > 100% gas with premium, no ethanol. Regular is cut by up to 10%, while > midgrade by up to 5%. > > Ed > 300E > > On 15 January 2011 19:34, John Freer wrote: > > Yeah, I just read that too. To be fair, you need to compare diesel > fuel costs vs. premium gas as the last MB to burn regular was the 380 > engine series. > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:30 PM, E M wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return > to > the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is > up > to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, > it > seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now > edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if > Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would > really > take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You > do > see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them > in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. > > Ed > 300E > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > >
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
S320/S350 diesel gets much better fuel economy that the S400. Much nicer to drive, too. I've driven both on US roads. The 6 cylinder diesel S class is really an excellent car is every way. Powerful, economical, safe, comfortable, etc. Last year at this time I was just arriving in Germany for a business trip. I took an S420cdi for the weekend with my wife. That car was a monster! Unfortunately, I didn't get to push it very hard due to weather conditions. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4297018907/ Jaime On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet > formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. > > --R > > > On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: > >> Hey Guys, >> >> I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return >> to >> the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up >> to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it >> seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now >> edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if >> Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would >> really >> take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You >> do >> see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them >> in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Where is the diesel coupe successor to the W123 300CD that exited the stage in 1985? Alternately, you could buy any W124 300D and a 300CE with leaky valve guides and blown head gasket, then the conversion would be a simple parts swap. Here ya go: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/2160894903.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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andrew strasfogel wrote: Where is the diesel coupe successor to the W123 300CD that exited the stage in 1985? Gather up a dead 560SEC, a 1998-1999 300D with a failed spring perch, and an injection pump from a 1987 300D. Buy some 300SDL motor mounts, and pay somebody to combine the front end of the 300D driveshaft with the back end of the SEC driveshaft. Assemble and enjoy. Alternately, you could buy any W124 300D and a 300CE with leaky valve guides and blown head gasket, then the conversion would be a simple parts swap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
Yes I agree. The S class should always bs an all out full splurge affair. That's the point. What I expect from the C class is a well built, affordable fuel efficient car. It's ok to have better appointed models as well as AMG versions but make a basic bulletproof diesel available for us. Kind of like the old 240D. That basic bulletproof car coexisted with the 450SEL 6.9. Why can't we have such a scenario today? Why does Mercedes have to fill only the luxury market in the US? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2011, at 9:48 PM, E M wrote: According to what I read, Canadians are a bit more accepting of diesels than Americans, at the moment. Seems Mercedes has plans though, which includes diesels making up to 10% of their sales in the US, and 20% in Canada, in the not too distant future. So your diesel C Class might possibly be on its way one of these days. ;-) My one request to Mercedes, is not to cheap down their S Class too much. There seems to be this perception in North America, where if you want a diesel, you want cheap. I'd like to see a diesel S Class, but I'd like to see all options available on it, that are available on the gas models. Just because someone doesn't feel the need to burn premium in a V12 that's sitting in city traffic, doesn't mean they don't have an appreciation for burl walnut, nappa leather, and other fine things. Might even be easier to justify splashing out on some of those options, when you think about all the money you'll be saving on fuel. hee hee Ed 300E On 15 January 2011 21:14, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Wish they would send us a 4 banger c class diesel with a manual transmission. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:00 PM, E M wrote: I'm in minivan mode all week, so I'm on regular. hee hee. Add about a dime+ to the regular cost for premium. But at my station, that still buys you 100% gas with premium, no ethanol. Regular is cut by up to 10%, while midgrade by up to 5%. Ed 300E On 15 January 2011 19:34, John Freer wrote: Yeah, I just read that too. To be fair, you need to compare diesel fuel costs vs. premium gas as the last MB to burn regular was the 380 engine series. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:30 PM, E M wrote: Hey Guys, I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return to the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would really take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You do see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
Where is the diesel coupe successor to the W123 300CD that exited the stage in 1985? On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet > formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. > > --R > > > On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: > >> Hey Guys, >> >> I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return >> to >> the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up >> to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it >> seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now >> edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if >> Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would >> really >> take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You >> do >> see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them >> in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I saw an S400 Hybrid this afternoon down the road. I have not yet formulated an opinion, but it seems like overkill. --R On 1/15/2011 7:30 PM, E M wrote: Hey Guys, I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return to the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would really take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You do see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's about all it's worth. Ed 300E On 15 January 2011 22:02, Mitch Haley wrote: > E M wrote: > >> lol, yeah, missed the decimal. I get all flustered just trying to type >> the >> price of gas! What bugs me almost more than paying $1.14 for regular, is >> now having to pay .50 cents to pump air in tires! >> > > We gave up our half penny in 1858. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
E M wrote: lol, yeah, missed the decimal. I get all flustered just trying to type the price of gas! What bugs me almost more than paying $1.14 for regular, is now having to pay .50 cents to pump air in tires! We gave up our half penny in 1858. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
According to what I read, Canadians are a bit more accepting of diesels than Americans, at the moment. Seems Mercedes has plans though, which includes diesels making up to 10% of their sales in the US, and 20% in Canada, in the not too distant future. So your diesel C Class might possibly be on its way one of these days. ;-) My one request to Mercedes, is not to cheap down their S Class too much. There seems to be this perception in North America, where if you want a diesel, you want cheap. I'd like to see a diesel S Class, but I'd like to see all options available on it, that are available on the gas models. Just because someone doesn't feel the need to burn premium in a V12 that's sitting in city traffic, doesn't mean they don't have an appreciation for burl walnut, nappa leather, and other fine things. Might even be easier to justify splashing out on some of those options, when you think about all the money you'll be saving on fuel. hee hee Ed 300E On 15 January 2011 21:14, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > Wish they would send us a 4 banger c class diesel with a manual > transmission. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:00 PM, E M wrote: > > I'm in minivan mode all week, so I'm on regular. hee hee. Add about a > dime+ > to the regular cost for premium. But at my station, that still buys you > 100% gas with premium, no ethanol. Regular is cut by up to 10%, while > midgrade by up to 5%. > > Ed > 300E > > On 15 January 2011 19:34, John Freer wrote: > > Yeah, I just read that too. To be fair, you need to compare diesel > fuel costs vs. premium gas as the last MB to burn regular was the 380 > engine series. > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:30 PM, E M wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return > to > the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is > up > to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, > it > seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now > edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if > Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would > really > take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You > do > see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them > in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. > > Ed > 300E > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
lol, yeah, missed the decimal. I get all flustered just trying to type the price of gas! What bugs me almost more than paying $1.14 for regular, is now having to pay .50 cents to pump air in tires! Ed 300E On 15 January 2011 21:05, Fmiser wrote: > > E M wrote: > > > Regular gas is up to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel > > is around $112. > > WOW!! I knew Canada fuel is expensive - but more than $100 per > _liter_!!??!! > > With a 70 L tank, that would make a tank of fuel worth more than > the rest of my car! > > *grin* I know you mean "cents" - or are missing a decimal after > the first digit. > > --Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
Wish they would send us a 4 banger c class diesel with a manual transmission. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:00 PM, E M wrote: I'm in minivan mode all week, so I'm on regular. hee hee. Add about a dime+ to the regular cost for premium. But at my station, that still buys you 100% gas with premium, no ethanol. Regular is cut by up to 10%, while midgrade by up to 5%. Ed 300E On 15 January 2011 19:34, John Freer wrote: Yeah, I just read that too. To be fair, you need to compare diesel fuel costs vs. premium gas as the last MB to burn regular was the 380 engine series. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:30 PM, E M wrote: Hey Guys, I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return to the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would really take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You do see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
> E M wrote: > Regular gas is up to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel > is around $112. WOW!! I knew Canada fuel is expensive - but more than $100 per _liter_!!??!! With a 70 L tank, that would make a tank of fuel worth more than the rest of my car! *grin* I know you mean "cents" - or are missing a decimal after the first digit. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
I'm in minivan mode all week, so I'm on regular. hee hee. Add about a dime+ to the regular cost for premium. But at my station, that still buys you 100% gas with premium, no ethanol. Regular is cut by up to 10%, while midgrade by up to 5%. Ed 300E On 15 January 2011 19:34, John Freer wrote: > Yeah, I just read that too. To be fair, you need to compare diesel > fuel costs vs. premium gas as the last MB to burn regular was the 380 > engine series. > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:30 PM, E M wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > > > I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return > to > > the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is > up > > to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, > it > > seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now > > edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if > > Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would > really > > take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You > do > > see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them > > in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. > > > > Ed > > 300E > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
Yeah, I just read that too. To be fair, you need to compare diesel fuel costs vs. premium gas as the last MB to burn regular was the 380 engine series. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:30 PM, E M wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return to > the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up > to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it > seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now > edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if > Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would really > take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You do > see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them > in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. > > Ed > 300E > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback.
Hey Guys, I read that they showed a new S Class diesel that is due to make a return to the US market this year. S350. Should be interesting. Regular gas is up to $114.3 per/litre here today, and diesel is around $112. For months, it seems diesel was more expensive than regular, but I see regular is now edging back up over diesel, by a few cents per/L. I really think if Mercedes got behind offering diesels in all their models, they would really take off. Not everyone wants an electric car, I know I sure don't!! You do see more and more diesel engines here, in models that Mercedes offer them in. Lots of GL and MLs with diesels. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
