Re: [MBZ] EV's
There is at least one experimental airplane flying with a zeromotorcycle power train: https://youtu.be/mLSb6z_tKj4 On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:37 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is a guy at work with an EV motorcycle. I asked him what range he > gets, he said 50 - 100 miles depending on how he rides. Then he added, > "most days closer to 50." > > I believe it's this one but not certain. > > https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsrx > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 11:01, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > Many times. Always hated the grooved pavement. Good point. > > > > -D > > > > > >> On Oct 12, 2022, at 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> What? You've never ridden a motorcycle on the interstate? You've missed > >> quite the thrill (if you survive it) :) > >> I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in south OKC several years ago - a > >> really cool looking car. > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> That’s pretty cool, although it’s still a motorcycle. It will be > >>> interesting to see how it fares in crash tests. I could see it for > driving > >>> around town, though. Not sure I would want to get out on the > interstate in > >>> it. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > On Oct 12, 2022, at 10:57 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > On 2022-10-12 10:47, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for > > charging, > > https://aptera.us/ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> OK Don > >> > >> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you > >> are wearing." > >> > >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain > >> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > >> Von Braun > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV's
Hyundai has one that's better looking than most. GM dropped the price of the Bolt this year. I'd consider it a real contender. Might see if I can go try one. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Now that I have an EV hookup as part of the solar panel deal, I need to eventually procure an actual EV. My son says Kia is the coolest. On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:37 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is a guy at work with an EV motorcycle. I asked him what range he > gets, he said 50 - 100 miles depending on how he rides. Then he added, > "most days closer to 50." > > I believe it's this one but not certain. > > https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsrx > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 11:01, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > Many times. Always hated the grooved pavement. Good point. > > > > -D > > > > > >> On Oct 12, 2022, at 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> What? You've never ridden a motorcycle on the interstate? You've missed > >> quite the thrill (if you survive it) :) > >> I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in south OKC several years ago - a > >> really cool looking car. > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> That’s pretty cool, although it’s still a motorcycle. It will be > >>> interesting to see how it fares in crash tests. I could see it for > driving > >>> around town, though. Not sure I would want to get out on the > interstate in > >>> it. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > On Oct 12, 2022, at 10:57 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > On 2022-10-12 10:47, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for > > charging, > > https://aptera.us/ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> OK Don > >> > >> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you > >> are wearing." > >> > >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain > >> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > >> Von Braun > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV's
I suspect that an electric motorcycle is a lot of fun, all that torque...I'd probably get low mileage too, the urge to open it up would be too much. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: There is a guy at work with an EV motorcycle. I asked him what range he gets, he said 50 - 100 miles depending on how he rides. Then he added, "most days closer to 50." I believe it's this one but not certain. https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsrx On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 11:01, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Many times. Always hated the grooved pavement. Good point. > > -D > > >> On Oct 12, 2022, at 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> What? You've never ridden a motorcycle on the interstate? You've missed >> quite the thrill (if you survive it) :) >> I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in south OKC several years ago - a >> really cool looking car. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> That’s pretty cool, although it’s still a motorcycle. It will be >>> interesting to see how it fares in crash tests. I could see it for driving >>> around town, though. Not sure I would want to get out on the interstate in >>> it. >>> >>> -D >>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 10:57 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: On 2022-10-12 10:47, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for > charging, https://aptera.us/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you >> are wearing." >> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >> Von Braun >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV's
Now that I have an EV hookup as part of the solar panel deal, I need to eventually procure an actual EV. My son says Kia is the coolest. On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:37 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is a guy at work with an EV motorcycle. I asked him what range he > gets, he said 50 - 100 miles depending on how he rides. Then he added, > "most days closer to 50." > > I believe it's this one but not certain. > > https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsrx > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 11:01, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > Many times. Always hated the grooved pavement. Good point. > > > > -D > > > > > >> On Oct 12, 2022, at 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> What? You've never ridden a motorcycle on the interstate? You've missed > >> quite the thrill (if you survive it) :) > >> I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in south OKC several years ago - a > >> really cool looking car. > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> That’s pretty cool, although it’s still a motorcycle. It will be > >>> interesting to see how it fares in crash tests. I could see it for > driving > >>> around town, though. Not sure I would want to get out on the > interstate in > >>> it. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > On Oct 12, 2022, at 10:57 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > On 2022-10-12 10:47, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for > > charging, > > https://aptera.us/ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> OK Don > >> > >> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you > >> are wearing." > >> > >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain > >> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > >> Von Braun > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV's
There is a guy at work with an EV motorcycle. I asked him what range he gets, he said 50 - 100 miles depending on how he rides. Then he added, "most days closer to 50." I believe it's this one but not certain. https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsrx On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 11:01, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Many times. Always hated the grooved pavement. Good point. > > -D > > >> On Oct 12, 2022, at 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> What? You've never ridden a motorcycle on the interstate? You've missed >> quite the thrill (if you survive it) :) >> I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in south OKC several years ago - a >> really cool looking car. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> That’s pretty cool, although it’s still a motorcycle. It will be >>> interesting to see how it fares in crash tests. I could see it for driving >>> around town, though. Not sure I would want to get out on the interstate in >>> it. >>> >>> -D >>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 10:57 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: On 2022-10-12 10:47, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for > charging, https://aptera.us/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you >> are wearing." >> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >> Von Braun >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV's
Many times. Always hated the grooved pavement. Good point. -D > On Oct 12, 2022, at 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > What? You've never ridden a motorcycle on the interstate? You've missed > quite the thrill (if you survive it) :) > I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in south OKC several years ago - a > really cool looking car. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> That’s pretty cool, although it’s still a motorcycle. It will be >> interesting to see how it fares in crash tests. I could see it for driving >> around town, though. Not sure I would want to get out on the interstate in >> it. >> >> -D >> >>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 10:57 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 2022-10-12 10:47, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for charging, >>> >>> https://aptera.us/ >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you > are wearing." > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV's
What? You've never ridden a motorcycle on the interstate? You've missed quite the thrill (if you survive it) :) I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in south OKC several years ago - a really cool looking car. On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That’s pretty cool, although it’s still a motorcycle. It will be > interesting to see how it fares in crash tests. I could see it for driving > around town, though. Not sure I would want to get out on the interstate in > it. > > -D > > > On Oct 12, 2022, at 10:57 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > On 2022-10-12 10:47, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >> An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for > >> charging, > > > > https://aptera.us/ > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV's
That’s pretty cool, although it’s still a motorcycle. It will be interesting to see how it fares in crash tests. I could see it for driving around town, though. Not sure I would want to get out on the interstate in it. -D > On Oct 12, 2022, at 10:57 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2022-10-12 10:47, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for >> charging, > > https://aptera.us/ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV's
On 2022-10-12 10:47, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for charging, https://aptera.us/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV's
An EV in Flagstaff would make perfect sense. Plenty of sunlight for charging, and the longest possible trip from one side of town to another being maybe 15 miles, if that. Now if you want to go anywhere else an ICE vehicle would be required, as there’s nothing in the way of civilization in a 100 mile radius, if that. -D > On Oct 12, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > LA is an excellent example of where EVs make sense. Most people never go > outside of a 5 mile circle anyway so limited range makes no difference. > Unfortunately California had a rectal/cranial inversion when it comes to > electricity production so EVs are going to exacerbate an existing problem. > Maybe if they get to the point that there is a big pv array on every > rooftop... > Curt > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 11:13 PM, Karl Wittnebel via > Mercedes wrote: I don't know who "they" are and I > have know idea what they want, but here > in LA an electric car already makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. If > the prices ever come down, they will be the best option for maybe 70% of > vehicles on our roads. Just from a cost of ownership and convenience > perspective. A lot of families could have one EV and one ICE, rather than > two ICE cars. > > One of the big advantages in a major metro is no point source emissions. It > will clean up our air quite a bit. It is hard to imagine how much exhaust > comes off the 405 every day. We live just over the hill from it. > > Anyway I don't see diesel trucks going anywhere soon unless we get a lot > more serious about rail infrastructure. There is a lot of infrastructure > that would need to be built to make EVs more broadly practical than they > are also. > > The electic grid would be fine. The impact would be less than the advent of > residential AC. Just build it up if needed. But they will all charge off > peak anyway, just the way my thermostat already gets turned up > automatically when demand is high on hot evenings. > > Not a solution to every problem but EVs are a good solution to a lot of > problems. If we got serious about separating bike lanes from car lanes and > making cycling truly safe like they did in Holland, tons of people would > ride bikes here in LA and a lot of them would be electric. An electric bike > is an impressive thing. Much more impressive than electric cars, from a > power to weight perspective. If they can ever get this Aptera thing off the > ground, it would really be a cool mode of commuter transport. Until then a > velomobile with a power hub is as close as it gets. Electric skateboards > are also impressive, but less safe. Those One Wheel things will apparently > go 100 miles on a charge or something. They weigh nothing. > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:21 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting. >> Not work. >> >> >> There was an OT Benzworld thread on EVs that popped up on an email feed. >> This is my response. >> >> Unless John Deere is going to make electric combines and tractors, >> locomotives stop using diesel fuel, and semi trucks become electric, EVs >> are a virtue signal. A refinery can only skew the crude crack a few >> percentage points one way or the other as far as end products go. You like >> asphalt on your roads? You need to refine crude. You like plastic for all >> the purposes it serves? You need to refine crude. If you still refine crude >> and have no demand for gasoline, the price drops precipitously or it >> becomes a waste product to be flared off, much like natural gas on an oil >> rig. There is currently no fuel source with as much Btu capacity per pound >> as refined petroleum products, save perhaps nuclear energy. >> >> Build thorium powered nuclear plants, use Fischer Troupsch to turn coal >> into diesel and gasoline and the planet is saved. TPTB don't want a >> solution. They want control. >> >> >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/
Re: [MBZ] EV's
LA is an excellent example of where EVs make sense. Most people never go outside of a 5 mile circle anyway so limited range makes no difference. Unfortunately California had a rectal/cranial inversion when it comes to electricity production so EVs are going to exacerbate an existing problem. Maybe if they get to the point that there is a big pv array on every rooftop... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 11:13 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: I don't know who "they" are and I have know idea what they want, but here in LA an electric car already makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. If the prices ever come down, they will be the best option for maybe 70% of vehicles on our roads. Just from a cost of ownership and convenience perspective. A lot of families could have one EV and one ICE, rather than two ICE cars. One of the big advantages in a major metro is no point source emissions. It will clean up our air quite a bit. It is hard to imagine how much exhaust comes off the 405 every day. We live just over the hill from it. Anyway I don't see diesel trucks going anywhere soon unless we get a lot more serious about rail infrastructure. There is a lot of infrastructure that would need to be built to make EVs more broadly practical than they are also. The electic grid would be fine. The impact would be less than the advent of residential AC. Just build it up if needed. But they will all charge off peak anyway, just the way my thermostat already gets turned up automatically when demand is high on hot evenings. Not a solution to every problem but EVs are a good solution to a lot of problems. If we got serious about separating bike lanes from car lanes and making cycling truly safe like they did in Holland, tons of people would ride bikes here in LA and a lot of them would be electric. An electric bike is an impressive thing. Much more impressive than electric cars, from a power to weight perspective. If they can ever get this Aptera thing off the ground, it would really be a cool mode of commuter transport. Until then a velomobile with a power hub is as close as it gets. Electric skateboards are also impressive, but less safe. Those One Wheel things will apparently go 100 miles on a charge or something. They weigh nothing. On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:21 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting. > Not work. > > > There was an OT Benzworld thread on EVs that popped up on an email feed. > This is my response. > > Unless John Deere is going to make electric combines and tractors, > locomotives stop using diesel fuel, and semi trucks become electric, EVs > are a virtue signal. A refinery can only skew the crude crack a few > percentage points one way or the other as far as end products go. You like > asphalt on your roads? You need to refine crude. You like plastic for all > the purposes it serves? You need to refine crude. If you still refine crude > and have no demand for gasoline, the price drops precipitously or it > becomes a waste product to be flared off, much like natural gas on an oil > rig. There is currently no fuel source with as much Btu capacity per pound > as refined petroleum products, save perhaps nuclear energy. > > Build thorium powered nuclear plants, use Fischer Troupsch to turn coal > into diesel and gasoline and the planet is saved. TPTB don't want a > solution. They want control. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You just use a 3/4 ton truck and call it a 1/2 ton. I have doubts about them off-road, that weight has to make them less capable. In the end most pickup trucks are just pavement queens rarely used to haul anything more exciting than the garbage. For the majority of owners an EV will be fine. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: And what does the battery weigh? 4 X as much battery has to reduce the payload on the truck. Randy On 11/10/2022 5:13 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > I watched a towing shootout between the F150 and Hummer EV's. > They made the point that the F150 had a battery that held the energy > equivalent of about 4 gallons of gasoline, which goes a long way towards > explaining why these vehicles do so abysmally in these tests. > > That 4 gallons can be had for under $20, right now. > > I also noticed that they had to do a partial recharge of the F150 > in order to finish the 170-mile (total) towing test. I think I saw that > they were charged around $20 for this --- MORE than the equivalent > gasoline would have cost, and it took over a half hour to accomplish. > > Now, it's not like they have to have a 35-gallon (equivalent) energy store > to match my current trucks. Roughly only 1/3 of fuel results in useful work. > The other 2/3 are lost as waste heat, via exhaust and through the cooling > system. > In theory an EV could get away with maybe a 12-gallon (equivalent) energy > store, > so maybe 3x the battery that the F150 had. This would cost 3x too, of course, > and be 3x as hazardous since you can't extinguish lithium battery fires. > > And recharge time would be dreadful. > > These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting. > Not work. > > -- Jim > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What times are "off peak" and how does this correspond to the output from the solar power generation that California is pushing so hard? On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, at 22:12, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > I don't know who "they" are and I have know idea what they want, but here > in LA an electric car already makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. If > the prices ever come down, they will be the best option for maybe 70% of > vehicles on our roads. Just from a cost of ownership and convenience > perspective. A lot of families could have one EV and one ICE, rather than > two ICE cars. > > One of the big advantages in a major metro is no point source emissions. It > will clean up our air quite a bit. It is hard to imagine how much exhaust > comes off the 405 every day. We live just over the hill from it. > > Anyway I don't see diesel trucks going anywhere soon unless we get a lot > more serious about rail infrastructure. There is a lot of infrastructure > that would need to be built to make EVs more broadly practical than they > are also. > > The electic grid would be fine. The impact would be less than the advent of > residential AC. Just build it up if needed. But they will all charge off > peak anyway, just the way my thermostat already gets turned up > automatically when demand is high on hot evenings. > > Not a solution to every problem but EVs are a good solution to a lot of > problems. If we got serious about separating bike lanes from car lanes and > making cycling truly safe like they did in Holland, tons of people would > ride bikes here in LA and a lot of them would be electric. An electric bike > is an impressive thing. Much more impressive than electric cars, from a > power to weight perspective. If they can ever get this Aptera thing off the > ground, it would really be a cool mode of commuter transport. Until then a > velomobile with a power hub is as close as it gets. Electric skateboards > are also impressive, but less safe. Those One Wheel things will apparently > go 100 miles on a charge or something. They weigh nothing. > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:21 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting. >> Not work. >> >> >> There was an OT Benzworld thread on EVs that popped up on an email feed. >> This is my response. >> >> Unless John Deere is going to make electric combines and tractors, >> locomotives stop using diesel fuel, and semi trucks become electric, EVs >> are a virtue signal. A refinery can only skew the crude crack a few >> percentage points one way or the other as far as end products go. You like >> asphalt on your roads? You need to refine crude. You like plastic for all >> the purposes it serves? You need to refine crude. If you still refine crude >> and have no demand for gasoline, the price drops precipitously or it >> becomes a waste product to be flared off, much like natural gas on an oil >> rig. There is currently no fuel source with as much Btu capacity per pound >> as refined petroleum products, save perhaps nuclear energy. >> >> Build thorium powered nuclear plants, use Fischer Troupsch to turn coal >> into diesel and gasoline and the planet is saved. TPTB don't want a >> solution. They want control. >> >> >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know who "they" are and I have know idea what they want, but here in LA an electric car already makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. If the prices ever come down, they will be the best option for maybe 70% of vehicles on our roads. Just from a cost of ownership and convenience perspective. A lot of families could have one EV and one ICE, rather than two ICE cars. One of the big advantages in a major metro is no point source emissions. It will clean up our air quite a bit. It is hard to imagine how much exhaust comes off the 405 every day. We live just over the hill from it. Anyway I don't see diesel trucks going anywhere soon unless we get a lot more serious about rail infrastructure. There is a lot of infrastructure that would need to be built to make EVs more broadly practical than they are also. The electic grid would be fine. The impact would be less than the advent of residential AC. Just build it up if needed. But they will all charge off peak anyway, just the way my thermostat already gets turned up automatically when demand is high on hot evenings. Not a solution to every problem but EVs are a good solution to a lot of problems. If we got serious about separating bike lanes from car lanes and making cycling truly safe like they did in Holland, tons of people would ride bikes here in LA and a lot of them would be electric. An electric bike is an impressive thing. Much more impressive than electric cars, from a power to weight perspective. If they can ever get this Aptera thing off the ground, it would really be a cool mode of commuter transport. Until then a velomobile with a power hub is as close as it gets. Electric skateboards are also impressive, but less safe. Those One Wheel things will apparently go 100 miles on a charge or something. They weigh nothing. On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:21 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting. > Not work. > > > There was an OT Benzworld thread on EVs that popped up on an email feed. > This is my response. > > Unless John Deere is going to make electric combines and tractors, > locomotives stop using diesel fuel, and semi trucks become electric, EVs > are a virtue signal. A refinery can only skew the crude crack a few > percentage points one way or the other as far as end products go. You like > asphalt on your roads? You need to refine crude. You like plastic for all > the purposes it serves? You need to refine crude. If you still refine crude > and have no demand for gasoline, the price drops precipitously or it > becomes a waste product to be flared off, much like natural gas on an oil > rig. There is currently no fuel source with as much Btu capacity per pound > as refined petroleum products, save perhaps nuclear energy. > > Build thorium powered nuclear plants, use Fischer Troupsch to turn coal > into diesel and gasoline and the planet is saved. TPTB don't want a > solution. They want control. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting. Not work. There was an OT Benzworld thread on EVs that popped up on an email feed. This is my response. Unless John Deere is going to make electric combines and tractors, locomotives stop using diesel fuel, and semi trucks become electric, EVs are a virtue signal. A refinery can only skew the crude crack a few percentage points one way or the other as far as end products go. You like asphalt on your roads? You need to refine crude. You like plastic for all the purposes it serves? You need to refine crude. If you still refine crude and have no demand for gasoline, the price drops precipitously or it becomes a waste product to be flared off, much like natural gas on an oil rig. There is currently no fuel source with as much Btu capacity per pound as refined petroleum products, save perhaps nuclear energy. Build thorium powered nuclear plants, use Fischer Troupsch to turn coal into diesel and gasoline and the planet is saved. TPTB don't want a solution. They want control. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And what does the battery weigh? 4 X as much battery has to reduce the payload on the truck. Randy On 11/10/2022 5:13 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: I watched a towing shootout between the F150 and Hummer EV's. They made the point that the F150 had a battery that held the energy equivalent of about 4 gallons of gasoline, which goes a long way towards explaining why these vehicles do so abysmally in these tests. That 4 gallons can be had for under $20, right now. I also noticed that they had to do a partial recharge of the F150 in order to finish the 170-mile (total) towing test. I think I saw that they were charged around $20 for this --- MORE than the equivalent gasoline would have cost, and it took over a half hour to accomplish. Now, it's not like they have to have a 35-gallon (equivalent) energy store to match my current trucks. Roughly only 1/3 of fuel results in useful work. The other 2/3 are lost as waste heat, via exhaust and through the cooling system. In theory an EV could get away with maybe a 12-gallon (equivalent) energy store, so maybe 3x the battery that the F150 had. This would cost 3x too, of course, and be 3x as hazardous since you can't extinguish lithium battery fires. And recharge time would be dreadful. These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting. Not work. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] EV's
I watched a towing shootout between the F150 and Hummer EV's. They made the point that the F150 had a battery that held the energy equivalent of about 4 gallons of gasoline, which goes a long way towards explaining why these vehicles do so abysmally in these tests. That 4 gallons can be had for under $20, right now. I also noticed that they had to do a partial recharge of the F150 in order to finish the 170-mile (total) towing test. I think I saw that they were charged around $20 for this --- MORE than the equivalent gasoline would have cost, and it took over a half hour to accomplish. Now, it's not like they have to have a 35-gallon (equivalent) energy store to match my current trucks. Roughly only 1/3 of fuel results in useful work. The other 2/3 are lost as waste heat, via exhaust and through the cooling system. In theory an EV could get away with maybe a 12-gallon (equivalent) energy store, so maybe 3x the battery that the F150 had. This would cost 3x too, of course, and be 3x as hazardous since you can't extinguish lithium battery fires. And recharge time would be dreadful. These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting. Not work. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
