Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-18 Thread John Reames
I don't have a pic of the alternator (that I can find), but the nut was still 
on the shaft, and it looked to be holding a sleeve...

But here's a pic of the pulley (after it played stone)

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On Jun 17, 2012, at 22:15, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 It's more like a ratcheting sort of clutch, but it sure as heck wasn't a 
 solid pulley.
 
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 On Jun 16, 2012, at 22:15, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
 On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:52:12 -0400 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
 The alternator has a clutch in the pulley. I'd think that if it were
 the alternator pulley going bad it would quickly come apart...
 
 I've had one come apart; the pulley was the stone, the belt the sling,
 and the radiator played the part of Goliath.
 
 I know the A/C compressor has a clutch in the pulley, so the compressor
 can be cycled. I've never seen an alternator with a clutch in the pulley.
 The regulation for an alternator is usually done electronically.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-18 Thread Randy Bennell

Remember the days when things did not change very often?
There were many years back in the 50's and 60' s where parts were 
reasonably standard for a long while. The basic small block chevy engine 
did not change much for a good many years until they got into smog 
control and then fuel injection. Even the early injected models were 
throttle body and not a whole lot different than their previous models. 
Tires changed a bit when they went from bias to radial but sizes did not 
change much for a long while.
Now it seems like every year the tires get bigger. Pretty soon we will 
all be running around on 22's. Lord help us.


Randy

On 17/06/2012 8:24 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Jun 17, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net  wrote:


Time for new tires now, bewildering array of choices.


You need a 123 then. That would limit you to like, two choices of tire. Or buy a Ford 
Ranger with 14's. That would limit you to I don't show a tire in that size.

Rick
Who is being a bit facetious




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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-18 Thread Craig
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:27:55 -0400 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
wrote:

 I don't have a pic of the alternator (that I can find), but the nut was
 still on the shaft, and it looked to be holding a sleeve...
 
 But here's a pic of the pulley (after it played stone)

 http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20120618/b4268bff/attachment.jpeg

Yes, that's something different, all right. It even looks like it will
take both a serpentine belt and an ordinary v-belt.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-17 Thread OK Don
It's a recent development in the effort to improve efficiency - if you
don't need electricity, don't use the power to spin the armature -- I think
the same is being done with water pumps in some models as well.

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 10:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 I certainly haven't seen 'em all, but I've never seen an automobile
 alternator pulley with a clutch, either.

 Wilton

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  On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:52:12 -0400 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
 wrote:

  The alternator has a clutch in the pulley. I'd think that if it were
 the alternator pulley going bad it would quickly come apart...

 I've had one come apart; the pulley was the stone, the belt the sling,
 and the radiator played the part of Goliath.


 I know the A/C compressor has a clutch in the pulley, so the compressor
 can be cycled. I've never seen an alternator with a clutch in the pulley.
 The regulation for an alternator is usually done electronically.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-17 Thread Max Dillon
I installed a new Dayco belt, $27 from Pep Boys.  I could see nothing wrong 
with any pulley, no burr, all in alignment.  New alternator turns smoothly with 
no play.  I suspect it was coming apart because it was old and the new 
alternator and recharged AC put too much strain on it, and summer heat isn't 
helping either.

I'll keep a close eye in case new belt starts to get eaten up.
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-17 Thread Craig
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:02:06 -0400 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:

 I'll keep a close eye in case new belt starts to get eaten up.

Now that's a good idea!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-17 Thread Rich Thomas

Don't keep your remaining eye too close.

--R

On 6/17/12 5:02 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

I installed a new Dayco belt, $27 from Pep Boys.  I could see nothing wrong 
with any pulley, no burr, all in alignment.  New alternator turns smoothly with 
no play.  I suspect it was coming apart because it was old and the new 
alternator and recharged AC put too much strain on it, and summer heat isn't 
helping either.

I'll keep a close eye in case new belt starts to get eaten up.


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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-17 Thread WILTON

How's the evaporator doing?

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Eating belts


I installed a new Dayco belt, $27 from Pep Boys.  I could see nothing wrong 
with any pulley, no burr, all in alignment.  New alternator turns smoothly 
with no play.  I suspect it was coming apart because it was old and the new 
alternator and recharged AC put too much strain on it, and summer heat 
isn't helping either.


I'll keep a close eye in case new belt starts to get eaten up.
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-17 Thread Max Dillon
Still cooling very well after a few weeks and two thousand miles, thanks.  Time 
for new tires now, bewildering array of choices.


WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

How's the evaporator doing?

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-17 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 17, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Time for new tires now, bewildering array of choices.


You need a 123 then. That would limit you to like, two choices of tire. Or buy 
a Ford Ranger with 14's. That would limit you to I don't show a tire in that 
size. 

Rick
Who is being a bit facetious 
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-17 Thread John Reames
It's more like a ratcheting sort of clutch, but it sure as heck wasn't a solid 
pulley.

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On Jun 16, 2012, at 22:15, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:52:12 -0400 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
 The alternator has a clutch in the pulley. I'd think that if it were
 the alternator pulley going bad it would quickly come apart...
 
 I've had one come apart; the pulley was the stone, the belt the sling,
 and the radiator played the part of Goliath.
 
 I know the A/C compressor has a clutch in the pulley, so the compressor
 can be cycled. I've never seen an alternator with a clutch in the pulley.
 The regulation for an alternator is usually done electronically.
 
 
 Craig
 
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[MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Max Dillon
My '95 E300 with OM606 engine has decided to eat the serpentine belt. The only 
recent change is the new (rebuilt) alternator. How do I determine if the 
alternator is the culprit?

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Walt Zarnoch
My guess is that the old alt wasn't putting much of a load on the system,
and the old belt was on it's last legs.

New alternator allows full charge current and puts more stress on belt,
belt snaps.

Long story short, replace belt and then see if it happens again.

Worst case, keep a spare belt in the trunk in case it snaps again.

Walt
On Jun 16, 2012 9:26 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 My '95 E300 with OM606 engine has decided to eat the serpentine belt. The
 only recent change is the new (rebuilt) alternator. How do I determine if
 the alternator is the culprit?

 -Max
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread WILTON
Does the alternator rotate freely and smoothly (without wobble) by hand?  Do 
the other pulleys (idler, water pump, pwr. steering pump, A/C comp.) rotate 
properly without binding.  When you sight down the edge of belt across all 
the pulleys, are all the pulleys in same plane - properly aligned with each 
other?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Eating belts


My '95 E300 with OM606 engine has decided to eat the serpentine belt. The 
only recent change is the new (rebuilt) alternator. How do I determine if 
the alternator is the culprit?


-Max
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Peter Frederick
I know it' possible to put the water pump pulley on backwards, and if  
you do it will strip off a couple ribs on the belt.  Might be true of  
the alternator pulley as well.


It will be obvious if this is the case, one side of the belt will  
leave a gap on the offending pulley opposite the gap on the others.


Do also check that the alternator isn't knocking -- I had one like  
that on the old 220D that ate belts like crazy.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Dave Walton
When the alternator in my 300SDL went bad it would spin freely by hand but 
would occasionally lock up and cause the belt to jump off. I knew because the 
2nd time it sheared the key. It is possible a rebuild could do the same. 
Always carry spare belts, tools, and a can of red bull.

-Dave Walton

On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 My '95 E300 with OM606 engine has decided to eat the serpentine belt. The 
 only recent change is the new (rebuilt) alternator. How do I determine if the 
 alternator is the culprit?
 
 -Max
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Frederick Moir
Logic?

 
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 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Eating belts
 
My '95 E300 with OM606 engine has decided to eat the serpentine belt. The only 
recent change is the new (rebuilt) alternator. How do I determine if the 
alternator is the culprit?

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread OK Don
I had a serpentine belt eaten after installing a new alternator once -
found a little nick on the inside edge of the alternator pulley. Ground it
smooth with a Dremel tool - problem solved.

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 My '95 E300 with OM606 engine has decided to eat the serpentine belt. The
 only recent change is the new (rebuilt) alternator. How do I determine if
 the alternator is the culprit?

 -Max
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Max Dillon
Thanks to all who replied (even Fred!), I'll report back after applying my 
powers of observation, your inputs, and Fred's logic.

I have a spare old belt from my wagon, which is 5 mm longer according to EPC.  
Good idea to try this belt, or bad?


Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

My '95 E300 with OM606 engine has decided to eat the serpentine belt.
The only recent change is the new (rebuilt) alternator. How do I
determine if the alternator is the culprit?

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Mitch Haley

WILTON wrote:
Does the alternator rotate freely and smoothly (without wobble) by 
hand?  Do the other pulleys (idler, water pump, pwr. steering pump, A/C 
comp.) rotate properly without binding.  When you sight down the edge of 
belt across all the pulleys, are all the pulleys in same plane - 
properly aligned with each other?


Probably got the belt one rib off on one of the pulleys. I killed a brand new 
belt in a couple of days that way once.


Another possibility is the pulley's in the wrong place on the new alternator.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Brian Toscano
or its the wrong alternator and the offset is incorrect.


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 WILTON wrote:

 Does the alternator rotate freely and smoothly (without wobble) by hand?
  Do the other pulleys (idler, water pump, pwr. steering pump, A/C comp.)
 rotate properly without binding.  When you sight down the edge of belt
 across all the pulleys, are all the pulleys in same plane - properly
 aligned with each other?


 Probably got the belt one rib off on one of the pulleys. I killed a brand
 new belt in a couple of days that way once.

 Another possibility is the pulley's in the wrong place on the new
 alternator.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Rich Thomas

You will be a belt looser

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On 6/16/12 11:44 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

I have a spare old belt from my wagon, which is 5 mm longer according to EPC.  
Good idea to try this belt, or bad?


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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Craig
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:44:42 -0400 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:

 I have a spare old belt from my wagon, which is 5 mm longer according
 to EPC.  Good idea to try this belt, or bad?

There are different length belts for the same cars equiped with different
diameter pullies (I just came across that in reading the W124 manual),
but using a longer belt on your car will give reduced belt tension.
Whether that will be enough lower to cause problems, I cannot say.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread John Reames
The alternator has a clutch in the pulley. I'd think that if it were the 
alternator pulley going bad it would quickly come apart...

I've had one come apart; the pulley was the stone, the belt the sling, and the 
radiator played the part of Goliath.

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On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:26, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 My '95 E300 with OM606 engine has decided to eat the serpentine belt. The 
 only recent change is the new (rebuilt) alternator. How do I determine if the 
 alternator is the culprit?
 
 -Max
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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread Craig
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:52:12 -0400 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
wrote:

 The alternator has a clutch in the pulley. I'd think that if it were
 the alternator pulley going bad it would quickly come apart...
 
 I've had one come apart; the pulley was the stone, the belt the sling,
 and the radiator played the part of Goliath.

I know the A/C compressor has a clutch in the pulley, so the compressor
can be cycled. I've never seen an alternator with a clutch in the pulley.
The regulation for an alternator is usually done electronically.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Eating belts

2012-06-16 Thread WILTON
I certainly haven't seen 'em all, but I've never seen an automobile 
alternator pulley with a clutch, either.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Eating belts



On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:52:12 -0400 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
wrote:


The alternator has a clutch in the pulley. I'd think that if it were
the alternator pulley going bad it would quickly come apart...

I've had one come apart; the pulley was the stone, the belt the sling,
and the radiator played the part of Goliath.


I know the A/C compressor has a clutch in the pulley, so the compressor
can be cycled. I've never seen an alternator with a clutch in the pulley.
The regulation for an alternator is usually done electronically.


Craig

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