Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
If you are driving any Mercedes diesel prior to 98, the brake will win if you press it at the same time as the accelerator. Even if you floor it - especially if you floor it. In the 99 E300, the electronics interpret a sudden brake effort and/or pressing both petals at once as a panic situation and immediately exert maximum braking force on all four wheels and electronically release the accelerator. It's quite something to experience. -Dave Walton On Dec 21, 2007 3:24 PM, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "archer" writes: > > > > > > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being > > > > automatic nowadays, the brake should be operated by the > > > > left foot and the accellerator by the right foot. Trying > > > > to both stop and go with one foot is what confuses people > > > > who aren't mechanically inclined. > > > > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you > > > engage the brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is > > > supposed to be, then people who are accustomed to a manual > > > transmission would be punching the brake. > > > > > > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business > > > behind the wheel of a car. > > > > > > -- (presumably Allen, but not signed) > > > I disagree stongly. Your reaction times are much faster using > > 2 feet. > > > > Pete > > There have been a tests the prove otherwise - but I suspect that > they were with people who were not accustom to driving > two-footed. > > But that reaction time looses value if the driver forgets to > release the fuel control pedal. > > It's not possible to make the task of driving idiot proof!! Nor > do I think it is a "unalienable" right. > > -- Philip > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
If having to decide what pedal to push confuses anyway, just park it and take the bus. Ed 300E On 21/12/2007, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As much as women vehemently insist on enjoying the status as drivers > > equal-to or better-than than men, it just ain't true. Most would benefit > > hugely from a very basic understanding of the vehicle and its dynamics. > In > > addition, I just don't think it's inborn to a woman to control moving > > machinery.snip > -- > I think the problem is the backwardness of the auto industry. As soon as > automatic transmissions were invented, the auto manufacturers should have > moved the brake pedal to the left side of the steering column; leaving > only > the accellerator on the right side. > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic nowadays, the > brake should be operated by the left foot and the accellerator by the > right > foot. Trying to both stop and go with one foot is what confuses people > who > aren't mechanically inclined. > Even if a person got confused, all they would have to do is push hard on > both pedals and the car would not go very far, very fast. > Gerry > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
On Dec 22, 2007, at 3:15 AM, archer wrote: > What about all the ladies (and some men) with poor mechanical > aptitude who > would have less accidents if all they had to remember was that the > right > foot made the car go and the left foot made the car stop? Honestly? I think if their motor skills are that limited then they should not be operating a car. I never *think* about which pedal "goes" and which one "stops", any more than I think about whether I need to move my right foot or my left foot for the next step when I'm walking. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
"archer" writes: > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. --- Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching the brake. If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the wheel of a car. Allan --- What about all the ladies (and some men) with poor mechanical aptitude who would have less accidents if all they had to remember was that the right foot made the car go and the left foot made the car stop? Don't forget, if we forbid our wives, daughters, and sweethearts to drive, "we" will be the ones chauffuering them around. As far as it being confusing when switching from automatic to manual cars, it already is for many people. It would also give the left leg a little exercise. The way it is now in an automatic, the left leg just sits there and whithers away. Haven't you ever noticed how people who drive automatics a lot have left legs that are skinnier than their right legs? (-:] Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
I was "raised" being told "no left foot riding the brake!" It was customary to see "tourists" driving through the mountains obviously "left foot brakers." I would hear my grandfather or father swear at them. My dad always slid his foot from brake to accelerator. I can remember the sound of the pedal being released and the fact the right of the pedal cover would always wear. Dad was great on a manual but couldn't seem to drive an automatic work a hoot. I also have this memory of aunts driving in high heels, left foot on the big wide "Sure Trac" power brake pedal, heels puncturing the a little hole in the carpet mat... So... here I was ready to tell how I was raised that driving with left on brake was a "sissy thing..." yet today I had to run out suddenly and I jumped in the '84 300D. It need service and valve adjustment. Cold, it was running a little rough but I was in a hurry. I found myself with both feet, left on brake at stops while giving a little accelerator to smooth out the idle. Most of the time I'm a firm believer in right on brake. I feel can control better. When I first started driving my "job" was to chauffeur the great grandparents around, to doctors' appointments, etc. I was "taught" to anticipate stops, how to slow the car but let off the brake and reapply at a complete stop to "keep the car level." I think the only time that it was permissible to use the left foot on the brake was sometimes in snow to maintain traction while accelerating. Well, there was that summer that my right leg was in a cast that I drove with it extended over into the passenger seat. > From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:56:04 -0800 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories > > You know what? Actually I am a two-footed driver. I have been advised > against it, and I understand the advisements, but I haven't had a problem > yet. I use two feet in the interest of reaction time. If my foot is hovering > over the brake pedal in hairy situations, I can slow the vehicle all the > faster. And owing to my gender, I will not mix up my limbs (take that, > Raymond) (I am winking). > Also, occasionally - not too often - it is helpful to hold some pressure on > the brake while applying some to the throttle, thus bringing up your engine > to the ready but allowing for an abort. > > Brian > > On Dec 21, 2007 7:41 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I disagree stongly. Your reaction times are much faster using 2 feet. >> >> Pete >> >> -- Original message -- >> From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> "archer" writes: >>> >>>> It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic >>>> nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the >>>> accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one >>>> foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. >>> >>> Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the >>> brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then >>> people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching >>> the brake. >>> >>> If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the >>> wheel of a car. >>> >>> -- >>> 1983 300D >>> 1966 230 >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
Zoltan Finks wrote: > >Also, occasionally - not too often - it is helpful to hold some pressure on >the brake while applying some to the throttle, thus bringing up your engine >to the ready but allowing for an abort. Hopefully not too often, as you risk overheating the fluid in the torque convertor. In fact, transmission job 27-380 advises max 5 seconds to avoid overheating the transmission fluid. Granted, that's 5 secs at the torque convertor stall speed (requiring a fairly heavy accelerator position), but it's generally not a good idea. If you're doing this to build turbo boost before letting go of the brake, you're probably approaching the TC stall speed. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
It seems than at Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:16:05 -0500, Allan wrote: > Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> > -- (presumably Allen, but not signed) > > I don't always type my name at the end of a message because I > use my real, full name in my email address. I'm not a picky as Marshall was. I don't mind replying to unsigned posts. *smile* I was just being cautious about attributing a post to you if it wasn't you that said it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
Hi, I was taught to use 1 right foot and heel and toe the brake and throttle. You can get no car to overcome the brakes with the engine. Ed in warm Chicago 40F Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "archer" writes: > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching the brake. If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the wheel of a car. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
You know what? Actually I am a two-footed driver. I have been advised against it, and I understand the advisements, but I haven't had a problem yet. I use two feet in the interest of reaction time. If my foot is hovering over the brake pedal in hairy situations, I can slow the vehicle all the faster. And owing to my gender, I will not mix up my limbs (take that, Raymond) (I am winking). Also, occasionally - not too often - it is helpful to hold some pressure on the brake while applying some to the throttle, thus bringing up your engine to the ready but allowing for an abort. Brian On Dec 21, 2007 7:41 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree stongly. Your reaction times are much faster using 2 feet. > > Pete > > -- Original message -- > From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > "archer" writes: > > > > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic > > > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the > > > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one > > > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. > > > > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the > > brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then > > people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching > > the brake. > > > > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the > > wheel of a car. > > > > -- > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kevin Kraly wrote: > This is how my Mom drives since she learned to drive in a manny tranny car. > She says it's easier that way since each foot has something to do. I'm not quite sure how that would work. At least not the way I drive a stick shift. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the brake should be operated by the left foot and the accellerator by the right foot. This is how my Mom drives since she learned to drive in a manny tranny car. She says it's easier that way since each foot has something to do. She's never confused the brakes with the accelerator. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > -- (presumably Allen, but not signed) I don't always type my name at the end of a message because I use my real, full name in my email address. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
> > "archer" writes: > > > > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being > > > automatic nowadays, the brake should be operated by the > > > left foot and the accellerator by the right foot. Trying > > > to both stop and go with one foot is what confuses people > > > who aren't mechanically inclined. > > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you > > engage the brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is > > supposed to be, then people who are accustomed to a manual > > transmission would be punching the brake. > > > > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business > > behind the wheel of a car. > > > > -- (presumably Allen, but not signed) > I disagree stongly. Your reaction times are much faster using > 2 feet. > > Pete There have been a tests the prove otherwise - but I suspect that they were with people who were not accustom to driving two-footed. But that reaction time looses value if the driver forgets to release the fuel control pedal. It's not possible to make the task of driving idiot proof!! Nor do I think it is a "unalienable" right. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
By Spring, you and the 300TD will be ready for the race track. lol. Ed 300E On 21/12/2007, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm learning to two-foot. Because the '83 300TD idles too slow when I > start > it up on a cold morning, I neeed to keep up the revs when braking to keep > the car from stalling, until it reaches operating temperature. > 1983 300TD > On Dec 21, 2007 11:29 AM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For road drivers, I think the whole reaction time thing by two footing > it > > is > > pointless. I don't know anyone that concentrates, all the time, to the > > point where two footing it would make a difference on the road, in the > > real > > world. If you really need that kind of reaction time, you would be > better > > serviced by trying to think ahead more, and a little more distance > between > > you and the other stuff around you on the road. Only time I've two > > footed > > it, was not for reaction time, but to help transfer weight a little > to > > the front and increasing contact patch, or, if you have a turbo car with > > big > > lag and you're trying to set the front end to turn in, and you want to > > keep > > the revs up at the same time. Again, neither of these things have any > > business on the road, as to use them means you're pushing just way to > > hard. > > It's not the reaction time of the feet that catches most ppl out, it's > the > > reaction time of the head that does. You quickly get to a point where > you > > can think way faster than a car can react or do what you want, so best > > thing, is to try and "think" way ahead and do your best to see stuff > > before > > it happens. > > > > These are just my thoughts, but they've allowed me to travel pretty > quick > > most of my driving years and stay out of trouble for the most part. > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 21/12/2007, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > IIRC-the evidence I saw years ago was to the contrary and advised > > against > > > two foot braking. Any source on reaction times? > > > Thanks, > > > Dwight > > > > > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > > > 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. > > > 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) > > > 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles > > > Wickford, RI > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:42 AM > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories > > > > > > I disagree stongly. Your reaction times are much faster using 2 feet. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > -- Original message -- > > > From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > "archer" writes: > > > > > > > > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic > > > > > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the > > > > > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with > one > > > > > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. > > > > > > > > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage > the > > > > brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then > > > > people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching > > > > the brake. > > > > > > > > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind > the > > > > wheel of a car. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > 1983 300D > > > > 1966 230 > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] &g
Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
I'm learning to two-foot. Because the '83 300TD idles too slow when I start it up on a cold morning, I neeed to keep up the revs when braking to keep the car from stalling, until it reaches operating temperature. 1983 300TD On Dec 21, 2007 11:29 AM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For road drivers, I think the whole reaction time thing by two footing it > is > pointless. I don't know anyone that concentrates, all the time, to the > point where two footing it would make a difference on the road, in the > real > world. If you really need that kind of reaction time, you would be better > serviced by trying to think ahead more, and a little more distance between > you and the other stuff around you on the road. Only time I've two > footed > it, was not for reaction time, but to help transfer weight a little to > the front and increasing contact patch, or, if you have a turbo car with > big > lag and you're trying to set the front end to turn in, and you want to > keep > the revs up at the same time. Again, neither of these things have any > business on the road, as to use them means you're pushing just way to > hard. > It's not the reaction time of the feet that catches most ppl out, it's the > reaction time of the head that does. You quickly get to a point where you > can think way faster than a car can react or do what you want, so best > thing, is to try and "think" way ahead and do your best to see stuff > before > it happens. > > These are just my thoughts, but they've allowed me to travel pretty quick > most of my driving years and stay out of trouble for the most part. > > Ed > 300E > > On 21/12/2007, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > IIRC-the evidence I saw years ago was to the contrary and advised > against > > two foot braking. Any source on reaction times? > > Thanks, > > Dwight > > > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > > 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. > > 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) > > 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles > > Wickford, RI > > -----Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:42 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories > > > > I disagree stongly. Your reaction times are much faster using 2 feet. > > > > Pete > > > > -- Original message -- > > From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > "archer" writes: > > > > > > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic > > > > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the > > > > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one > > > > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. > > > > > > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the > > > brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then > > > people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching > > > the brake. > > > > > > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the > > > wheel of a car. > > > > > > -- > > > 1983 300D > > > 1966 230 > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For road drivers, I think the whole reaction time thing by two footing it is pointless. I don't know anyone that concentrates, all the time, to the point where two footing it would make a difference on the road, in the real world. If you really need that kind of reaction time, you would be better serviced by trying to think ahead more, and a little more distance between you and the other stuff around you on the road. Only time I've two footed it, was not for reaction time, but to help transfer weight a little to the front and increasing contact patch, or, if you have a turbo car with big lag and you're trying to set the front end to turn in, and you want to keep the revs up at the same time. Again, neither of these things have any business on the road, as to use them means you're pushing just way to hard. It's not the reaction time of the feet that catches most ppl out, it's the reaction time of the head that does. You quickly get to a point where you can think way faster than a car can react or do what you want, so best thing, is to try and "think" way ahead and do your best to see stuff before it happens. These are just my thoughts, but they've allowed me to travel pretty quick most of my driving years and stay out of trouble for the most part. Ed 300E On 21/12/2007, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IIRC-the evidence I saw years ago was to the contrary and advised against > two foot braking. Any source on reaction times? > Thanks, > Dwight > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. > 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) > 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles > Wickford, RI > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:42 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories > > I disagree stongly. Your reaction times are much faster using 2 feet. > > Pete > > -- Original message -- > From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > "archer" writes: > > > > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic > > > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the > > > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one > > > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. > > > > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the > > brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then > > people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching > > the brake. > > > > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the > > wheel of a car. > > > > -- > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan S. wrote: "If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the wheel of a car." I agree. It drives me crazy when I see someone with their brake lights going on and off while they are accelerating. You can tell they are using their left foot to brake and then riding the brake. Not only is that dangerous to other drivers, but it also wears out their brakes. I was playing golf with a client of mine who is an insurance adjuster. I was standing in front of the cart waiting for the other two guys to hit. My client stepped on the gas and hit me -- not bad just sort of banged into my leg. He was very apologetic. THEN, he did it again. He kept saying I thought I was hitting the brake. I managed to get out of the way before he did it a third time. On the second hit, my hand got cut on a sharp part of the windshield frame. I had to play the rest of the round (this was hole #2) with blood filling up my glove. We always knew which ball was mine because it had blood on it. After we could laugh about it, I asked him if he now believed those stories about people who said, I thought I was hitting the brake. I made sure I rode in the other cart ever since then. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK, here's another one. True story. Also a high school date story. My high school girlfriend's father was (still is) an internationally renowned authority on biblical texts who teaches at Harvard. Classic absent-minded professor. Brilliant beyond description, but he often wouldn't recognize me, tho I was practically part of the family, if I showed up at the door while he was working. Authored a stack of books, and still appears on TV occasionally to comment on the latest archeological discovery in the holy lands. Smoked a pipe, wore bow ties to bed (at least I never saw him without one), and had a penchant for Olds 442 convertibles and drove like a holy terror-- frequently while reading the Phd. dissertation he was supposed to have finished a month ago. Once, in a characteristic rush to get to a dissertation defense, he fired up the 455 and was about to back out of the driveway when he realized it was a fine day and he should take the top down. He is a short and impatient man, and had difficulty gaining enough leverage on the convertible top latch on the top of the windshield frame, so he stood on the brake pedal with both feet to get a better purchase on it. When the latch let go, his right foot slipped off the brake pedal, mashing the throttle to the cut-pile. As he tumbled back into his seat, tach pegged, his right elbow knocked the console shifter to the bottom of the gate. He drove wide open, two stripes of rubber, through the garage door and pushed his wife's Cutlass right out the back wall, totalling not only both cars, but the garage as well. "Dan," he said to me with a chuckle, "you should have seen the insurance report for that one!" "Ah, that four-four-two," he added with a wistful smile. "It would spin the wheels in high." By the time I knew him, he'd replaced the 442 with a Fiat X 1/9, which I had the pleasure of teaching two of his lovely daughters to drive on. Dan 82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC-the evidence I saw years ago was to the contrary and advised against two foot braking. Any source on reaction times? Thanks, Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories I disagree stongly. Your reaction times are much faster using 2 feet. Pete -- Original message -- From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "archer" writes: > > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic > > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the > > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one > > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. > > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the > brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then > people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching > the brake. > > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the > wheel of a car. > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I disagree stongly. Your reaction times are much faster using 2 feet. Pete -- Original message -- From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "archer" writes: > > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic > > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the > > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one > > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. > > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the > brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then > people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching > the brake. > > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the > wheel of a car. > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching the brake. If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the wheel of a car. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As much as women vehemently insist on enjoying the status as drivers > equal-to or better-than than men, it just ain't true. Most would benefit > hugely from a very basic understanding of the vehicle and its dynamics. In > addition, I just don't think it's inborn to a woman to control moving > machinery.snip -- I think the problem is the backwardness of the auto industry. As soon as automatic transmissions were invented, the auto manufacturers should have moved the brake pedal to the left side of the steering column; leaving only the accellerator on the right side. It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined. Even if a person got confused, all they would have to do is push hard on both pedals and the car would not go very far, very fast. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I dare you to go home tonight and tell your wife she is genetially predisposed to be an inferior driver. See how far that gets you. Then watch the woman who is the course champ on the Nürburgring. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE -Curt Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:22:09 -0800 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Engaging stories, Timothy. Brings to mind three things: 3. My first serious girlfriend (we were about 16) put her parents' Ford Maverick into their living room after we had sneaked it out. I parked it in the carport but she decided it needed reparking to avoid parents' detection. She panicked and hit the gas instead of the brake. I certainly don't purport to have nerves of steel, but I have noticed that this whole panicking and hitting the wrong pedal thing seems to be a female trait. As much as women vehemently insist on enjoying the status as drivers equal-to or better-than than men, it just ain't true. Most would benefit hugely from a very basic understanding of the vehicle and its dynamics. In addition, I just don't think it's inborn to a woman to control moving machinery. Had to cringe today as I was tailgated by a cute high school aged thing piloting a brand new Suburban and neglecting repeatedly to use her turn signals. I then watched her in my rearview turn a corner and proceed to tailgate the next guy. Brian - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
Engaging stories, Timothy. Brings to mind three things: 1. The house we bought recently used to belong to two sisters - both elderly PhDs - one an author, the other an artist. I understand that in addition to sharing the house they shared some large American sedan and everyone knew to stay out of their way. 2. I guess it was good advice that my parents always gave me: The dog could run under the brake pedal! 3. My first serious girlfriend (we were about 16) put her parents' Ford Maverick into their living room after we had sneaked it out. I parked it in the carport but she decided it needed reparking to avoid parents' detection. She panicked and hit the gas instead of the brake. I certainly don't purport to have nerves of steel, but I have noticed that this whole panicking and hitting the wrong pedal thing seems to be a female trait. As much as women vehemently insist on enjoying the status as drivers equal-to or better-than than men, it just ain't true. Most would benefit hugely from a very basic understanding of the vehicle and its dynamics. In addition, I just don't think it's inborn to a woman to control moving machinery. Had to cringe today as I was tailgated by a cute high school aged thing piloting a brand new Suburban and neglecting repeatedly to use her turn signals. I then watched her in my rearview turn a corner and proceed to tailgate the next guy. Brian Timothy wrote:The prize must go to old Hazel though. She had a little balding dog which might have once been a toy poodle. "FeeFee" rode in the car whenever Hazel went out. Hazel had knitted the dog a little afghan which matched the pillows in the rear window of the 70's Chrysler Imperial. Returning one day from the grocery, Hazel pressed the garage door control and proceeded to manuever the "tank" into the basement garage. She glanced down and discovered "FeeFee" was cold and had shifted positions. Fearing to pinch the little dog with the brake pedal Hazel reacted in a split second to step on the accelerator. The Imperial lunged forward taking out the hot water heater, the oil furnace and exiting the other end of the basement through the cinderblocks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
