Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

61x have overhead cam. Not push rods.

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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something
> 
> Was your 85 an OM 601 engine? The 60x engines are hydraulic lifters not push
> rods like the om61x. Right?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Feb 21, 2018 6:10 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"
> 
> wrote:
> 
> LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted the
> valves ;) Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 
> 55mpg.
> I'd sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:53:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>  On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a
> > long
> time?
> >
> > I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I
> already thought.
> > -Curt
> > ___
> 
> AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are
> ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with these
> wonderful million mile engines.
> 
> RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And if you are losing power going uphill you need to CHANGE YOUR MAIN FUEL
FILTER.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> I averaged 28mpg on 2 different cars over about 100,000 miles.
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 7:11:33 PM EST, Kaleb C. Striplin via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  What does a 240d normally get?
>
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> > On Feb 21, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted
> the valves ;)
> > Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 55mpg.
> I'd sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:53:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a
> long time?
> >>
> >> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I
> already thought.
> >> -Curt
> >> ___
> >
> > AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are
> > ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with these
> > wonderful million mile engines.
> >
> > RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I averaged 28mpg on 2 different cars over about 100,000 miles.
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 7:11:33 PM EST, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 What does a 240d normally get?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted the 
> valves ;)
> Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 55mpg. I'd 
> sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>    On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:53:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via 
>Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long 
>> time?
>> 
>> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
>> thought.
>> -Curt
>> ___
> 
> AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are 
> ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with these 
> wonderful million mile engines.
> 
> RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Maybe Floyd is swapping his CD for the cab as we type, beat us both to the 
punch...
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On February 21, 2018 7:27:21 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Waiting for the guy to get back to me.
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>> On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Traded for a cabriolet?  I can't believe you're passing on that.  I'm
>tempted to buy a nice 240D and drive out there to swap it.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On February 21, 2018 7:16:55 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
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>>> 
 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 February 21, 2018 at 6:11 PM
 What does a 240d normally get?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Maybe Floyd is swapping his CD for the cab as we type, beat us both to the 
punch...
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On February 21, 2018 7:27:21 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Waiting for the guy to get back to me.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Traded for a cabriolet?  I can't believe you're passing on that.  I'm
>tempted to buy a nice 240D and drive out there to swap it.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On February 21, 2018 7:16:55 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
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>>> 
 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 February 21, 2018 at 6:11 PM
 What does a 240d normally get?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Waiting for the guy to get back to me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Traded for a cabriolet?  I can't believe you're passing on that.  I'm tempted 
> to buy a nice 240D and drive out there to swap it.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On February 21, 2018 7:16:55 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> 
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> February 21, 2018 at 6:11 PM
>>> What does a 240d normally get?
>> Left in the shed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Traded for a cabriolet?  I can't believe you're passing on that.  I'm tempted 
to buy a nice 240D and drive out there to swap it.
-- 
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Charleston SC
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>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> February 21, 2018 at 6:11 PM
>> What does a 240d normally get?
>Left in the shed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

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Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
February 21, 2018 at 6:11 PM
What does a 240d normally get?

Left in the shed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The adjuster pucks do wear out though.  Then you get one valve that stops 
behaving.  Replace the offending adjuster thing and it gets better.  Or, since 
you are in there, may as well do them all.


clay 

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> On Feb 21, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep, and on the engines you mention, check to see if they are hydraulic 
> valves (don't need adjustment)  or mechanical, that will need adjustment.
> 
> I've run OM603s hundtreds of thousands of miles and NEVER adjusted the 
> valves!  ('cause they are hydraulic and don't need to be adjusted)
> 
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> February 21, 2018 at 5:21 PM
>> An '85 190D has hydraulic compensators (lifters) that don't require routine 
>> adjustment.
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> February 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM
>> LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted the 
>> valves ;)
>> Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 55mpg. I'd 
>> sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What does a 240d normally get?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted the 
> valves ;)
> Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 55mpg. I'd 
> sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:53:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long 
>> time?
>> 
>> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
>> thought.
>> -Curt
>> ___
> 
> AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are 
> ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with these 
> wonderful million mile engines.
> 
> RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yep, and on the engines you mention, check to see if they are hydraulic 
valves (don't need adjustment)  or mechanical, that will need adjustment.


I've run OM603s hundtreds of thousands of miles and NEVER adjusted the 
valves!  ('cause they are hydraulic and don't need to be adjusted)



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
February 21, 2018 at 5:21 PM
An '85 190D has hydraulic compensators (lifters) that don't require 
routine adjustment.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM
LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once 
adjusted the valves ;)
Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 55mpg. 
I'd sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Hard to start, poor performance, it just sort of feels wrong?

clay 

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POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long time?
> 
> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
> thought.
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah it runs good once its warmed up. It idles like crap when it first starts 
if I haven't been using the block heater which I think is added confirmation.
4.5L 4 cylinder, big motor. Almost 1000#...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:24:01 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My understanding is that the valve adjustment generally gets too tight 
rather than too loose. Too tight means that the valves don't close all 
the way when they are cold. Once warmed up they likely expand a bit and 
close better so the motor will run not too badly once it warms up but is 
difficult to start when cold because the valves leak and reduce the 
compression that is needed to get a diesel going. (Boy - how is that for 
a run-on sentence?)

RB

On 21/02/2018 5:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Okay cool you guys said what I expected.
> So the ASV 
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4647/25670161128_33cf875d50_b.jpgstarts wicked 
> hard in the cold, even at like 20F. Its got 2x grp 49 batteries (parallel, so 
> 12v) that it can run right down to nothing. I can get it to start by running 
> the block heater but it takes a couple hours at 1500w(!) to get the engine 
> warm enough. In a pinch I've found running my heat gun into the air intake 
> until the whole filter can is warm to the touch (about 15 minutes again at 
> 1500w) will do the job but its still a bit of a struggle.
> When its not starting it doesn't even pop. I think Kaleb's hit the nail on 
> the head for low compression.Fortunately specs for a John Deere 4045T are 
> easy to find. Need to stop at the JD dealer to get a valve cover gasket.
> I asked the guys about it and got "Waddya mean set the valves?" They've had 
> the machine like 10 years. Probably should do the Pisten Bully too, they've 
> had that 18 years...
> -Curt
>  
>
>      On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:45:39 PM EST, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>  
>  What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long 
>time?
>
> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
> thought.
> -Curt
>    
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yup - like the others said - classic sign of valves that need to be
adjusted. Why they go to tighter clearance instead of looser I have no idea
- but I usually found both loose and tight valves when I adjusted them on
OM615, 616 and 617 engines.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> Okay cool you guys said what I expected.
> So the ASV https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4647/25670161128_33cf875d50_b.
> jpgstarts wicked hard in the cold, even at like 20F. Its got 2x grp 49
> batteries (parallel, so 12v) that it can run right down to nothing. I can
> get it to start by running the block heater but it takes a couple hours at
> 1500w(!) to get the engine warm enough. In a pinch I've found running my
> heat gun into the air intake until the whole filter can is warm to the
> touch (about 15 minutes again at 1500w) will do the job but its still a bit
> of a struggle.
> When its not starting it doesn't even pop. I think Kaleb's hit the nail on
> the head for low compression.Fortunately specs for a John Deere 4045T are
> easy to find. Need to stop at the JD dealer to get a valve cover gasket.
> I asked the guys about it and got "Waddya mean set the valves?" They've
> had the machine like 10 years. Probably should do the Pisten Bully too,
> they've had that 18 years...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:45:39 PM EST, Curt Raymond <
> curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long
> time?
>
> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already
> thought.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Was your 85 an OM 601 engine? The 60x engines are hydraulic lifters not
push rods like the om61x. Right?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 21, 2018 6:10 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted the
valves ;)
Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 55mpg. I'd
sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
-Curt


On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:53:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
Mercedes  wrote:

 On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long
time?
>
> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I
already thought.
> -Curt
> ___

AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are
ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with these
wonderful million mile engines.

RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

These are the jokes kid...


-Curt
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:21:53 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 An '85 190D has hydraulic compensators (lifters) that don't require routine 
adjustment.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 21, 2018 6:10:08 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted
>the valves ;)
>Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 55mpg.
>I'd sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
>-Curt
> 
>
>On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:53:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
>Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a
>long time?
>>
>> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I
>already thought.
>> -Curt
>> ___
>
>AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are
>
>ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with
>these 
>wonderful million mile engines.
>
>RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My understanding is that the valve adjustment generally gets too tight 
rather than too loose. Too tight means that the valves don't close all 
the way when they are cold. Once warmed up they likely expand a bit and 
close better so the motor will run not too badly once it warms up but is 
difficult to start when cold because the valves leak and reduce the 
compression that is needed to get a diesel going. (Boy - how is that for 
a run-on sentence?)


RB

On 21/02/2018 5:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Okay cool you guys said what I expected.
So the ASV 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4647/25670161128_33cf875d50_b.jpgstarts wicked 
hard in the cold, even at like 20F. Its got 2x grp 49 batteries (parallel, so 
12v) that it can run right down to nothing. I can get it to start by running 
the block heater but it takes a couple hours at 1500w(!) to get the engine warm 
enough. In a pinch I've found running my heat gun into the air intake until the 
whole filter can is warm to the touch (about 15 minutes again at 1500w) will do 
the job but its still a bit of a struggle.
When its not starting it doesn't even pop. I think Kaleb's hit the nail on the 
head for low compression.Fortunately specs for a John Deere 4045T are easy to 
find. Need to stop at the JD dealer to get a valve cover gasket.
I asked the guys about it and got "Waddya mean set the valves?" They've had the 
machine like 10 years. Probably should do the Pisten Bully too, they've had that 18 
years...
-Curt
  


 On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:45:39 PM EST, Curt Raymond 
 wrote:
  
  What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long time?


I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
thought.
-Curt
   




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes that too. Also need to adjust valves to keep blinker fluid clear

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 21, 2018 6:09 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I think Dwight and Randy have pretty much nailed it.  I'd add increased
> smoke and lower mpg.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On February 21, 2018 5:45:39 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a
> >long time?
> >
> >I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I
> >already thought.
> >-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

An '85 190D has hydraulic compensators (lifters) that don't require routine 
adjustment.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 21, 2018 6:10:08 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted
>the valves ;)
>Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 55mpg.
>I'd sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
>-Curt
> 
>
>On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:53:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
>Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a
>long time?
>>
>> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I
>already thought.
>> -Curt
>> ___
>
>AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are
>
>ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with
>these 
>wonderful million mile engines.
>
>RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Okay cool you guys said what I expected.
So the ASV 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4647/25670161128_33cf875d50_b.jpgstarts wicked 
hard in the cold, even at like 20F. Its got 2x grp 49 batteries (parallel, so 
12v) that it can run right down to nothing. I can get it to start by running 
the block heater but it takes a couple hours at 1500w(!) to get the engine warm 
enough. In a pinch I've found running my heat gun into the air intake until the 
whole filter can is warm to the touch (about 15 minutes again at 1500w) will do 
the job but its still a bit of a struggle.
When its not starting it doesn't even pop. I think Kaleb's hit the nail on the 
head for low compression.Fortunately specs for a John Deere 4045T are easy to 
find. Need to stop at the JD dealer to get a valve cover gasket.
I asked the guys about it and got "Waddya mean set the valves?" They've had the 
machine like 10 years. Probably should do the Pisten Bully too, they've had 
that 18 years...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:45:39 PM EST, Curt Raymond 
 wrote:  
 
 What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long time?

I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
thought.
-Curt
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Dr Booth said that every cold weather cold start was,a compression test.
Need  valves adjusted not to lose compression.
So Curt what is your reveal?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 21, 2018 5:47 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Well, most of you folks have much more experience with this sort of thing
> than I do, but I will chime in anyway.
> My 115 300D got to where it was unwilling to start when it was cold out.
> Adjusting the valves fixed that problem and I believe it sounded smoother
> after as well.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long
>> time?
>>
>> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I
>> already thought.
>> -Curt
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>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

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On 21/02/2018 5:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I think Dwight and Randy have pretty much nailed it.  I'd add increased smoke 
and lower mpg.


I was thinking the mileage improved as well but couldn't recall for 
certain as I got a bit lazy with my record keeping. I was keeping 
records of fuel usage  on the car as well as my truck on a spreadsheet, 
but I have fallen behind. Now I just have a pile of receipts with 
mileage numbers written on them.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted the 
valves ;)
Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 55mpg. I'd sure 
like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:53:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long time?
>
> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
> thought.
> -Curt
> ___

AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are 
ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with these 
wonderful million mile engines.

RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Low compression hard to start because they are hanging open

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> On Feb 21, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long time?
> 
> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
> thought.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think Dwight and Randy have pretty much nailed it.  I'd add increased smoke 
and lower mpg.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 21, 2018 5:45:39 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a
>long time?
>
>I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I
>already thought.
>-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long time?

I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
thought.
-Curt
___


AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are 
ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with these 
wonderful million mile engines.


RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long time?

I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
thought.
-Curt
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Might be wishful thinking on my part but I also thought it seemed to run 
smoother at higher speeds.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Well, most of you folks have much more experience with this sort of 
thing than I do, but I will chime in anyway.
My 115 300D got to where it was unwilling to start when it was cold out. 
Adjusting the valves fixed that problem and I believe it sounded 
smoother after as well.


RB


On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long time?

I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
thought.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Hard starting.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long
> time?
>
> I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already
> thought.
> -Curt
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[MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a long time?

I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I already 
thought.
-Curt
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