subject:"\[MBZ\] OT\: MacBook"

When you're making that big of a jump between revs it's almost always best to 
do the delta updates rather then the "combo" or full updates.  The combo 
updates are what they would be downloading to your machine from the App Store.  
You have to go to the OSX support Web site for each rev and download each of 
the delta updates individually.

>From that big of a jump I would probably try to do a clean install with the 
>latest supported OSX rev,  Trying to update over 3-4 revs is going to be 
>problematic at best.

This is not an Apple issue - it would be like trying to jump from the original 
XP version to SP4 in one step.  That big of a gap and stuff is going to break.

MacDan


On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

> I managed, again, to boot into recovery mode then was able to reboot from the 
> recovery HD image, and it worked.  I shut off the sleep and now it is 
> downloading 10.9 Mavericks about 2/3 there.  I am hoping this cures it.  I 
> hate their stupid names.
> 
> It is funny, when it finally came alive again, the apps I had open when it 
> tried to reboot last night are all open and my file I was using is there.  I 
> guess somehow it saves a "state" so it can be recovered.  It rebooted into 
> 10.3 I think, which was before the 10.8 updates.  So it was trying to go from 
> .3 to .8.5  Whatever, it should be finished in awhile, I'll see what sorts.
> 
> I am not doing anything of the sort to my desktop machine, it can just crunch 
> along on its old state.
> 
> I will make a recovery DVD I guess when this all gets sorted.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 8/23/14 6:37 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>> This is why I keep a bootable disk around -- you can make a full copy of the 
>> OS onto a DVD or external drive using Disk Utility or Carbon Copy Cloner, 
>> and that way you can always at least boot the stinking thing and get on line.
>> 
>> Do you have another Mac around and a Firewire cable?  You should be able to 
>> boot the laptop into disk mode and connect it to another computer, thus 
>> allowing you to run disk utility and possibly transfer a working copy of the 
>> OS.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

I managed, again, to boot into recovery mode then was able to reboot 
from the recovery HD image, and it worked.  I shut off the sleep and now 
it is downloading 10.9 Mavericks about 2/3 there.  I am hoping this 
cures it.  I hate their stupid names.


It is funny, when it finally came alive again, the apps I had open when 
it tried to reboot last night are all open and my file I was using is 
there.  I guess somehow it saves a "state" so it can be recovered.  It 
rebooted into 10.3 I think, which was before the 10.8 updates.  So it 
was trying to go from .3 to .8.5  Whatever, it should be finished in 
awhile, I'll see what sorts.


I am not doing anything of the sort to my desktop machine, it can just 
crunch along on its old state.


I will make a recovery DVD I guess when this all gets sorted.

--R


On 8/23/14 6:37 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
This is why I keep a bootable disk around -- you can make a full copy 
of the OS onto a DVD or external drive using Disk Utility or Carbon 
Copy Cloner, and that way you can always at least boot the stinking 
thing and get on line.


Do you have another Mac around and a Firewire cable?  You should be 
able to boot the laptop into disk mode and connect it to another 
computer, thus allowing you to run disk utility and possibly transfer 
a working copy of the OS.


Peter




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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

This is why I keep a bootable disk around -- you can make a full copy  
of the OS onto a DVD or external drive using Disk Utility or Carbon  
Copy Cloner, and that way you can always at least boot the stinking  
thing and get on line.


Do you have another Mac around and a Firewire cable?  You should be  
able to boot the laptop into disk mode and connect it to another  
computer, thus allowing you to run disk utility and possibly transfer  
a working copy of the OS.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

I have tried rebooting, no go.  Now trying to boot into the Recovery and 
Disk Utility just gives me GSOD.


This thing is buggered good.  wow.

--R


On 8/23/14 5:45 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

Try again and make sure it's plugged in and set to never sleep.

I have never been able to understand why both PC and Apple computers 
can "go to sleep" when a program is active in the foreground


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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it


Try again and make sure it's plugged in and set to never sleep.

I have never been able to understand why both PC and Apple computers  
can "go to sleep" when a program is active in the foreground


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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

Now the machine has locked up with 1.90/5.32GB downloaded, looks like it 
gorked when the screen sleep or whatever kicked in.


--R


On 8/23/14 4:58 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
Unfortunately, some security upgrades can cause serious issued on 
older (more than two years older than the OS) machines.


Crappy support from Apple -- they really only want you to use a device 
for a year or two and buy another one, in spite of the fact that 
usually their hardware is very robust -- I'm using a MDD G4 dual 
1.25GHz desktop to write this with zero issues once I got good memory 
in it.


The root issue is bad security development in the first place, and 
since it's Unix, that goes back a long, long way.  No excuse, 
especially at the price point, but it is what it is.


Microsoft is STILL trying to kill off XP, after all.  Sadly, it was by 
far the most stable OS they ever produced.  I've not had serious 
problems with 7 at work, and I detest 8, but it's too early to tell.


I do abhor the new Office package.  Some idiot decided that all the 
menus needed to be changed around and everything re-named, and the 
whole screen is now pastels and low contrast -- I hope whoever decided 
that gets fired when they are 55 because they made a stupid mistake 
from being unable to read the options list


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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

Unfortunately, some security upgrades can cause serious issued on  
older (more than two years older than the OS) machines.


Crappy support from Apple -- they really only want you to use a device  
for a year or two and buy another one, in spite of the fact that  
usually their hardware is very robust -- I'm using a MDD G4 dual  
1.25GHz desktop to write this with zero issues once I got good memory  
in it.


The root issue is bad security development in the first place, and  
since it's Unix, that goes back a long, long way.  No excuse,  
especially at the price point, but it is what it is.


Microsoft is STILL trying to kill off XP, after all.  Sadly, it was by  
far the most stable OS they ever produced.  I've not had serious  
problems with 7 at work, and I detest 8, but it's too early to tell.


I do abhor the new Office package.  Some idiot decided that all the  
menus needed to be changed around and everything re-named, and the  
whole screen is now pastels and low contrast -- I hope whoever decided  
that gets fired when they are 55 because they made a stupid mistake  
from being unable to read the options list


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

After doing an Internet Recovery and that not working, then rebooting 
several times to try to get to the install where it would actually see 
my hard drive, I was able to do that after doing Disk Verify and Restore 
a couple of times on the main HD and the recovery? drive.  Tried to 
install the Lion then, says it is unavailable, which the tubes say is 
the next common problem. Anyway, after doing the verify and restore, I 
decided to reboot and OH FRABJOUS DAY! it booted right up.  Then it told 
me that I had some software updates available, one was 10.9 and another 
was to upgrade 10.8.4, which is I think what caused the problems last 
night.  5.32GB ugh.


So I am now downloading the 10.9 upgrade, will see if that works now.  I 
declined the 10.8.5 and some other app updates, so maybe this will get 
it functioning again.  I logged in with my AppleID, I hope that doesn't 
bugger things up if my wife's ID is still associated with this machine.  
I guess I'll see.


It looks like that 10.8.5 upgrade software buggered the hard drive files 
or something.  Applecrap software there.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it


I think I am going to keep it but I will take a look at that too.

I am at a screen now Mac OS X Utilities that has a choice to Reinstall 
Mac OS X (new copy of Lion) which is not doing anything at the moment so 
i guess I will leave it for awhile and see if it does something.  It has 
a Disk Utility feature too that moght have some relevance.


Well now it looks like it wants me to tell it where to install Lion but 
it does not show a disk.  h.


--R


On 8/23/14 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

If she has iCloud and the "Find my Mac" feature turned on, don't sell it until 
you can remove the feature. Otherwise her iCloud account will be forever linked to the 
machine.

Check Apple's support site about how to clean it off.

Dan


On Aug 23, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

The recovery utility is apparently in firmware somewhere somehow and you can 
wake it up with finger incantations that require something like the gang sign 
flashing thing.

The problem appears to be an upgrade from OSX 10.8.4 to 10.8.5 which apparently 
crashed many many machines.  I think this is what it wanted to do last night so 
I let it, with the GSOD then appearing. It is now saying 3:57 which means at 
some point this afternoon something might work.  I'm not sure exactly what it 
is downloading, what version of OSX but I guess I might see in 4 hours.

My wife had pretty much cleaned everything off as she was going to sell it but 
couldn't get much for it so it sat since like Nov or Dec (I did not know this). 
 So now I get to try to resurrect it after it tried to upgrade itself.

--R



On 8/23/14 11:10 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
It's not the actual OS as much as all the junk attached to it.

And no, it's NOT worse than Windows.  Not enough OS left it if crashes to DO an 
internet restore, since it is still, so far as I can tell, running CPM-86 down 
in some dark basement through a thousand layers of interface software!

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

If she has iCloud and the "Find my Mac" feature turned on, don't sell it until 
you can remove the feature. Otherwise her iCloud account will be forever linked 
to the machine.

Check Apple's support site about how to clean it off.

Dan

> On Aug 23, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The recovery utility is apparently in firmware somewhere somehow and you can 
> wake it up with finger incantations that require something like the gang sign 
> flashing thing.
> 
> The problem appears to be an upgrade from OSX 10.8.4 to 10.8.5 which 
> apparently crashed many many machines.  I think this is what it wanted to do 
> last night so I let it, with the GSOD then appearing. It is now saying 3:57 
> which means at some point this afternoon something might work.  I'm not sure 
> exactly what it is downloading, what version of OSX but I guess I might see 
> in 4 hours.
> 
> My wife had pretty much cleaned everything off as she was going to sell it 
> but couldn't get much for it so it sat since like Nov or Dec (I did not know 
> this).  So now I get to try to resurrect it after it tried to upgrade itself.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 8/23/14 11:10 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>> It's not the actual OS as much as all the junk attached to it.
>> 
>> And no, it's NOT worse than Windows.  Not enough OS left it if crashes to DO 
>> an internet restore, since it is still, so far as I can tell, running CPM-86 
>> down in some dark basement through a thousand layers of interface software!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

The recovery utility is apparently in firmware somewhere somehow and you 
can wake it up with finger incantations that require something like the 
gang sign flashing thing.


The problem appears to be an upgrade from OSX 10.8.4 to 10.8.5 which 
apparently crashed many many machines.  I think this is what it wanted 
to do last night so I let it, with the GSOD then appearing. It is now 
saying 3:57 which means at some point this afternoon something might 
work.  I'm not sure exactly what it is downloading, what version of OSX 
but I guess I might see in 4 hours.


My wife had pretty much cleaned everything off as she was going to sell 
it but couldn't get much for it so it sat since like Nov or Dec (I did 
not know this).  So now I get to try to resurrect it after it tried to 
upgrade itself.


--R


On 8/23/14 11:10 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

It's not the actual OS as much as all the junk attached to it.

And no, it's NOT worse than Windows.  Not enough OS left it if crashes 
to DO an internet restore, since it is still, so far as I can tell, 
running CPM-86 down in some dark basement through a thousand layers of 
interface software!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it


It's not the actual OS as much as all the junk attached to it.

And no, it's NOT worse than Windows.  Not enough OS left it if crashes  
to DO an internet restore, since it is still, so far as I can tell,  
running CPM-86 down in some dark basement through a thousand layers of  
interface software!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

2014-08-23 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
The status bar on the internet recovery is moving slowly, with an 
apparent timer that is bouncing around between 8something and now 4:58, 
which I guess is hours to download 4TB or something of OS N.N


So there is something out there worse than Windows.

Mitch.

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The status bar on the internet recovery is moving slowly, with an 
apparent timer that is bouncing around between 8something and now 4:58, 
which I guess is hours to download 4TB or something of OS N.N


--R


On 8/23/14 9:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I tried almost everything and couldn't get past spinning wheels. Right 
now it appears to be doing an Internet Recovery cmd-alt-R on startup 
which worked to get some response, I had to plug it into the router as 
it was having problems connecting over wireless.  It looks like it 
might be downloading something (has a spinning globe and looks like a 
download bar that is not moving), I'll see what it does, if this 
doesn't work I'll probably have to take it into Apple store and see if 
they will unscrew what their brokeass software did.


Apparently these things no longer ship with a recovery disk, you have 
to do this internet recovery thing.


--R


On 8/23/14 6:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I read in more detail and saw that you think you have OSX 10.8.

If that is is the case, then you should have a recovery volume on the 
machine. reboot or start up while holding the "Command + R" keys 
down.  Don't let up on it until you see some nard drive icons show up 
on the screen.  These are volumes that are bootable.  Once of them 
should be the Recovery HD volume. Choose (click) on it and press 
"Enter".


Dan



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 wrote:



First question:  What version of OSX does it have on it?

MacDan

On Aug 23, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:


My wife had this MBP sitting around she hadn't used for like 10 
months (don't ask).  Tonight I fired it up and was using it, it 
kept annoying me to do a software update, 10.8 something I think.  
So I did that, was like 2GB of something.  Restarted and it just 
freezes, gray screen, spinning wheel, or just gray screen.  
Apparently this was a major issue from what I see, but none of the 
suggested fixes do anything.  She claims that it did not come with 
a recovery disk, or doesn't have it, or something.  So the question 
is how do I get this thing working again?


I have an imac recovery disk but it won't boot into safe mode or 
any of the other modes with the various key combinations at startup 
to get at some sort of "boot off disk."  I was able to get it to do 
a "verbose" startup, shift command V or something, but that hung 
too once it got so far after displaying lines of stuff.


Is this thing totally hosed? Do I need to take it to the mac store 
and get them to try to fix it?  It's their damn software that 
killed it...


--R




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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

I tried almost everything and couldn't get past spinning wheels. Right
now it appears to be doing an Internet Recovery cmd-alt-R on startup
which worked to get some response, I had to plug it into the router as
it was having problems connecting over wireless. It looks like it might
be downloading something (has a spinning globe and looks like a download
bar that is not moving), I'll see what it does, if this doesn't work
I'll probably have to take it into Apple store and see if they will
unscrew what their brokeass software did.

Apparently these things no longer ship with a recovery disk, you have to
do this internet recovery thing.

--R

On 8/23/14 6:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I read in more detail and saw that you think you have OSX 10.8.

If that is is the case, then you should have a recovery volume on the machine. reboot or start up
while holding the "Command + R" keys down. Don't let up on it until you see some nard
drive icons show up on the screen. These are volumes that are bootable. Once of them should be
the Recovery HD volume. Choose (click) on it and press "Enter".

Dan

On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
wrote:

First question: What version of OSX does it have on it?

MacDan

On Aug 23, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
wrote:

My wife had this MBP sitting around she hadn't used for like 10 months (don't
ask). Tonight I fired it up and was using it, it kept annoying me to do a
software update, 10.8 something I think. So I did that, was like 2GB of
something. Restarted and it just freezes, gray screen, spinning wheel, or just
gray screen. Apparently this was a major issue from what I see, but none of
the suggested fixes do anything. She claims that it did not come with a
recovery disk, or doesn't have it, or something. So the question is how do I
get this thing working again?

I have an imac recovery disk but it won't boot into safe mode or any of the other modes with the
various key combinations at startup to get at some sort of "boot off disk." I was able
to get it to do a "verbose" startup, shift command V or something, but that hung too once
it got so far after displaying lines of stuff.

Is this thing totally hosed? Do I need to take it to the mac store and get them
to try to fix it? It's their damn software that killed it...

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

2014-08-23 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes


You can boot to single-user mode with Cmd-Opt-S (?), from there you
can poke around disabling things, perhaps.

Boot from a CD with C and something in the drive.  That's
the start-over option.  If you have an OS install CD/DVD.
Recovery disks are fairly machine-specific.  I doubt an
iMac disc is going to be of much use.

Generally the updates are a good idea, and work well enough.
Disclaimer: our newest OS is 10.6 on a MBP.  SWMBA hates it.
I've gotta say, it's no Pismo.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

I read in more detail and saw that you think you have OSX 10.8.

If that is is the case, then you should have a recovery volume on the machine. 
reboot or start up while holding the "Command + R" keys down.  Don't let up on 
it until you see some nard drive icons show up on the screen.  These are 
volumes that are bootable.  Once of them should be the Recovery HD volume.  
Choose (click) on it and press "Enter".

Dan



On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

> First question:  What version of OSX does it have on it?
> 
> MacDan
> 
> On Aug 23, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> My wife had this MBP sitting around she hadn't used for like 10 months 
>> (don't ask).  Tonight I fired it up and was using it, it kept annoying me to 
>> do a software update, 10.8 something I think.  So I did that, was like 2GB 
>> of something.  Restarted and it just freezes, gray screen, spinning wheel, 
>> or just gray screen.  Apparently this was a major issue from what I see, but 
>> none of the suggested fixes do anything.  She claims that it did not come 
>> with a recovery disk, or doesn't have it, or something.  So the question is 
>> how do I get this thing working again?
>> 
>> I have an imac recovery disk but it won't boot into safe mode or any of the 
>> other modes with the various key combinations at startup to get at some sort 
>> of "boot off disk."  I was able to get it to do a "verbose" startup, shift 
>> command V or something, but that hung too once it got so far after 
>> displaying lines of stuff.
>> 
>> Is this thing totally hosed? Do I need to take it to the mac store and get 
>> them to try to fix it?  It's their damn software that killed it...
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it