Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
On Jan 14, 2008 11:55 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they won't carry espn deportes either here in atlanta. Live tonight on ESPN 8 - The Ocho! -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
one of the all time great lines. when someone asks me if i'm going to watch same game and i wish to disparage the context, i respond with 'is that gonna be on the ocho? On Jan 15, 2008 4:11 PM, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 11:55 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they won't carry espn deportes either here in atlanta. Live tonight on ESPN 8 - The Ocho! -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
- Original Message - From: Russ Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Gerry wrote: Hi Russ, Could you expand on your instructions for someone who is unfamiliar with Linux terminology? You wrote: Gerry, Try the following and see if that works. Let me know if it does or doesn't. 1.Install current full tar.gz of martian http://www.barrelsoutofbond.org/downloads/martian/ G: After I download to a floppy or CD on another computer, where do I go on Ubuntu to install it? 2.Unpack martian somewhere you can work on it /home/user/martian or similar G: Where on Ubuntu do I create the file ??/home/user/martian? 3.As root go into the subdir where martian is located and run the following: make all make install then go into the subdir called scripts and run ./automate.sh ./remove_outdated.sh G: Okay, I go to the subdirectory ??/home/user/martian. Where in that subdirectory do I install the five lines of code? After installing do I simply hit return? 4.Now you can delete martian it's installed G: I guess I've used Martian as an installer and the five lines of code have installed Martian or something else somewhere? 5.Edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common DISABLED_MODULES=”” to say DISABLED_MODULES=”ltm” this kills the nonworking ltmodem G: Where do I go to do this in Ubuntu? I interpret this to mean I should change: Edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common DISABLED_MODULES=”” to read: DISABLED_MODULES=”ltm 6.Edit /etc/init.d/martian DEVICE=”/dev/ttySM0” to say DEVICE=”/dev/modem” G: Where do I find: Edit /etc/init.d/martian DEVICE=”/dev/ttySM0” ? I change it to read: DEVICE=”/dev/modem” ?? 7.Now as root enter update-rc.d martian defaults G: Where do I go to do this in Ubuntu? .. G: This is what I meant by hand holding. Those of us who don't yet know our way around Linux or know the terminology don't know where to go in a distro or what to do with this information once we get there. Thanks, Gerry - Russ W. Tech Committee Chairman Cajun Clickers Computer Club http://www.clickers.org/ Gerry wrote: Currently I don't have anything but a distro loaded on the computer I'm trying to set up with Linux, so I can't use Belarc. Heres the data from the paperwork that came with it: Stratitec IC56a 56K PCI internal modem Model #IC56a System Requirements: Pentium II, Celeron, Athlon, Duron 233 mhz minimum. Windows 98 or later, Linux 2.4 kernel or later. Manual V1.81 0811505 .. The distro that's currently on the computer is Ubuntu 7.04. .. The Linux installation instruction for this modem say go to: www.stratitec.com/ic56a but that's not a working website. The instructions also say to search the 'net for information on using a Lucent/Agere based modem. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
- Original Message - From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux is getting easier to use every day, there are various linux versions and I would not use one that is more than a few months old. Ubuntu have just gone to version 7.10 which addresses a lot of issuessnip - Thanks, Hendrik. I'll go over to my daughters and download Ubuntu 7.10 to DVD before trying Russ' fix. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
- Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buy a good USR external OR internal PCI. They are supported. Luther -- Thanks, Luther. If I can't get this one working, that's what I'll do. Gerry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most people who are on the internet are not sophisticated users. basically, they are using a web browser and an email client. maybe some light word processing. .. Not even that much, by my observation. A lot (most?) people who aren't very tech-savvy just use webmail. They often aren't even aware that mail clients, or any internet software other than the browser, exist---to them, the internet IS just the world inside the browser. And Google Docs ought to fill anyone's need for light word processing. Basically, 50% of home computer users would be happy with a Linux machine that went straight into Firefox when you turned it on. (The other half are gamers, which is a whole different issue.) Alex If someone walked me through getting a Lunux distro on the 'net, I'd probably be able to master an email client, browser, etc. by myself and could be rid of WinXP. I've tried getting Ubuntu 7.04, PC Linus OS, Puppy Linux 2.12, Damn Small Linux 3.0 rc2, Mepis 6.5, Mepis 6.0, Knoppix 5.0, Linux Mandrake 6.0, and Red Hat Linux.on the 'net. The serial modem is supposed to support Linux but for some reason will not make the connection. The modem works well with WinXP, so I don't think its likely to be defective. Gerry.Plug and play kind of guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Everybody says that but my 1.5Mb through Verizon is MUCH better than the 1.5Mb I had through Comcast. I got the DSL when we moved into the house because Comcast wanted $100 to turn on the cable modem and demanded another $50 for the installer to look at my Linux box and shrug... Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more ususally like 1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic... -Curt Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:59:31 -0600 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Cable is much better than DSL, if you can get it. At our farm, I am thrilled that verizon has lit up their wireless towe with HS data. There will not be cable or DSL there for at least another 50 years. SO now I know we can get wireless there Next Question: how can i plug a usb wireless dongle into a wireless access point to be able to use more than 1 computer at a time? A usb to ethernet adapter? At 06:37 PM 1/13/2008, you wrote: Insight just ran a cable past our house a couple weeks ago. I'm also much to far away from the substation for DSL (10 miles anyway, either way). My only other choice was satelite. Peter - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more ususally like 1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic... My cable service is Insight, just acquired by Comcast. The advertised speed of the service is 10Mb, real-world I get about 6 at home (download) for $30/month. I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices and cutting speeds Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
yeah, well, the raising prices thing is for sure On Jan 14, 2008 9:57 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more ususally like 1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic... My cable service is Insight, just acquired by Comcast. The advertised speed of the service is 10Mb, real-world I get about 6 at home (download) for $30/month. I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices and cutting speeds Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Allan Streib wrote: I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices and cutting speeds I hope somebody sells me a AMG Hammer or a 500E for $1000. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yeah, well, the raising prices thing is for sure I'm already ticked at Insight/Comcast for not carrying the Big Ten Network. Unfortunately DSL is not available where I live so my only other option right now would be to go back to dial-up. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
2 years ago Comcast was getting $49.95/mo for 1.5Mb... Speeds have really come up in the last year or two. Honestly though at least right now 1.5Mb is plenty for me. I've even considered going down to 768k to save $10/mo... I'm paying IIRC $29/mo for 1.5Mb. -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:57:39 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more ususally like 1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic... My cable service is Insight, just acquired by Comcast. The advertised speed of the service is 10Mb, real-world I get about 6 at home (download) for $30/month. I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices and cutting speeds Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
they won't carry espn deportes either here in atlanta. On Jan 14, 2008 10:23 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yeah, well, the raising prices thing is for sure I'm already ticked at Insight/Comcast for not carrying the Big Ten Network. Unfortunately DSL is not available where I live so my only other option right now would be to go back to dial-up. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Allan Streib wrote: I'm already ticked at Insight/Comcast for not carrying the Big Ten Network. I'd be ticked at the Big Ten Network for demanding: 1) that cable companies pay them over $1 per month per subscriber. and 2) that cable companies not put BTN in an optional premium price package. $1 a month for every cable subscriber in the land is a mite too greedy. But then again, the Big Ten schools are world famous for their greed and stupidity. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
plus they are an embarrassment in the world of athletic competition. i'd suggest that they drop a division in footballs, but we've already seen this year that they can't win there either. On Jan 14, 2008 1:26 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Streib wrote: I'm already ticked at Insight/Comcast for not carrying the Big Ten Network. I'd be ticked at the Big Ten Network for demanding: 1) that cable companies pay them over $1 per month per subscriber. and 2) that cable companies not put BTN in an optional premium price package. $1 a month for every cable subscriber in the land is a mite too greedy. But then again, the Big Ten schools are world famous for their greed and stupidity. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Price may rise, but so will speeds if your town is getting FIOS or a close by town is. Seattle is boosting cable modem speeds by a factor of ten to compete with FiOS coming to Redmond and other suburban towns. PDX is also upgrading speeds because Verizon is offering FIOS to suburban cities, along with TV. clay On 14 Jan 2008, at 07:09, Gary Hurst wrote: yeah, well, the raising prices thing is for sure On Jan 14, 2008 9:57 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more ususally like 1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic... My cable service is Insight, just acquired by Comcast. The advertised speed of the service is 10Mb, real-world I get about 6 at home (download) for $30/month. I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices and cutting speeds Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Right now we're in the heat of battle between Verizon (FIOS) and BrightHouse (TimeWarner) for phone/cable/Internet. BH cranked up speeds as soon as FIOS started to come out, but they didn't do anything price-wise, nor will they haggle if you threaten to bail. Their big thing is making everyone a month-to-month customer, as opposed to Verizon's 12 or 24 month contract. I'm with BH right now, mainly because I get a discount as a university student. However, that will end soon, since I graduated in December. Once that happens, I'll roll over to Verizon, mainly because their package deals that wrap TV, Internet, home and wireless phones end up being cheaper than the separate items and BH. I think the biggest dealbreaker is BH's insistence that you buy their bundle with unlimited phone service, which has little or no value to us, as the only long distance calls we make are done with our cell phones, since our out of town family members are all on Verizon. This means we have to get boxes for all our TVs, but in the long run it's a better deal. Dan --- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Price may rise, but so will speeds if your town is getting FIOS or a close by town is. Seattle is boosting cable modem speeds by a factor of ten to compete with FiOS coming to Redmond and other suburban towns. PDX is also upgrading speeds because Verizon is offering FIOS to suburban cities, along with TV. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
On Jan 12, 2008 10:56 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most people who are on the internet are not sophisticated users. basically, they are using a web browser and an email client. maybe some light word processing. Not even that much, by my observation. A lot (most?) people who aren't very tech-savvy just use webmail. They often aren't even aware that mail clients, or any internet software other than the browser, exist---to them, the internet IS just the world inside the browser. And Google Docs ought to fill anyone's need for light word processing. Basically, 50% of home computer users would be happy with a Linux machine that went straight into Firefox when you turned it on. (The other half are gamers, which is a whole different issue.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
On Jan 12, 2008 10:56 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most people who are on the internet are not sophisticated users. basically, they are using a web browser and an email client. maybe some light word processing. .. Not even that much, by my observation. A lot (most?) people who aren't very tech-savvy just use webmail. They often aren't even aware that mail clients, or any internet software other than the browser, exist---to them, the internet IS just the world inside the browser. And Google Docs ought to fill anyone's need for light word processing. Basically, 50% of home computer users would be happy with a Linux machine that went straight into Firefox when you turned it on. (The other half are gamers, which is a whole different issue.) Alex If someone walked me through getting a Lunux distro on the 'net, I'd probably be able to master an email client, browser, etc. by myself and could be rid of WinXP. I've tried getting Ubuntu 7.04, PC Linus OS, Puppy Linux 2.12, Damn Small Linux 3.0 rc2, Mepis 6.5, Mepis 6.0, Knoppix 5.0, Linux Mandrake 6.0, and Red Hat Linux.on the 'net. The serial modem is supposed to support Linux but for some reason will not make the connection. The modem works well with WinXP, so I don't think its likely to be defective. Gerry.Plug and play kind of guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Gerry, Most Linux Distro's don't handle WIN-Modems well. Not saying that it can't be done. If you will run Belarc http://belarc.com/free_download.html when you have your system booted in WinXP and find Brand and Model of your modem and send the info to me I'll check with the Linux Experts that I have contact with and see if they can come up with a driver that will work for you in PC-Linux. I have Xandros and PC-Linux installed on my laptop and both identified the win-modem and installed the correct driver. If there isn't a driver that will work for your modem you'll have to switch out the modem for a Non-Win-Modem type. I may have a 3-Com around here that you can have, I'll have to do some digging for it. Russ W. Tech Committee Chairman Cajun Clickers Computer Club http://www.clickers.org/ If someone walked me through getting a Lunux distro on the 'net, I'd probably be able to master an email client, browser, etc. by myself and could be rid of WinXP. I've tried getting Ubuntu 7.04, PC Linus OS, Puppy Linux 2.12, Damn Small Linux 3.0 rc2, Mepis 6.5, Mepis 6.0, Knoppix 5.0, Linux Mandrake 6.0, and Red Hat Linux.on the 'net. The serial modem is supposed to support Linux but for some reason will not make the connection. The modem works well with WinXP, so I don't think its likely to be defective. Gerry.Plug and play kind of guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
If its Windows and its on the internet and it gets used at all it needs to be reformatted and reinstalled every couple years. Pretty much the way it is, plan on it. My XP video editing system needs it although on that one I'll admit part of it was me adding and removing apps... Thats a great way to slow Windows down. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:56:58 -0500 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 y'know, wonk, you've got me thinking that linux is a practical solution for MANY computer users. i know i have beaten this to death, but it seems that the vast majority of pc users cannot manage windoze. i know people who even know a lot about windoze who end up having to reformat hard drives and start over every few years. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I haven't tried it, but you might be able to get WinModem working using Crossover Office (http://www.codeweavers.com/). I run it on my PCLOS system and have had good results on other Win stuff. There are also more and more Linux drivers available for WinModem, too. On Jan 13, 2008 9:36 AM, Russ Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerry, Most Linux Distro's don't handle WIN-Modems well. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
dude, do you start your car with a hand crank as well? i haven't heard about winmodems in a decade. On Jan 13, 2008 4:30 AM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 12, 2008 10:56 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most people who are on the internet are not sophisticated users. basically, they are using a web browser and an email client. maybe some light word processing. .. Not even that much, by my observation. A lot (most?) people who aren't very tech-savvy just use webmail. They often aren't even aware that mail clients, or any internet software other than the browser, exist---to them, the internet IS just the world inside the browser. And Google Docs ought to fill anyone's need for light word processing. Basically, 50% of home computer users would be happy with a Linux machine that went straight into Firefox when you turned it on. (The other half are gamers, which is a whole different issue.) Alex If someone walked me through getting a Lunux distro on the 'net, I'd probably be able to master an email client, browser, etc. by myself and could be rid of WinXP. I've tried getting Ubuntu 7.04, PC Linus OS, Puppy Linux 2.12, Damn Small Linux 3.0 rc2, Mepis 6.5, Mepis 6.0, Knoppix 5.0, Linux Mandrake 6.0, and Red Hat Linux.on the 'net. The serial modem is supposed to support Linux but for some reason will not make the connection. The modem works well with WinXP, so I don't think its likely to be defective. Gerry.Plug and play kind of guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Quite a few households still don't have broadband access a dial up modem is their only connection to the net. The issue is that the technology is expensive to install in less populated areas, there is not enough return on the investment. DSL has the highest install cost but even cable broadband costs $$$. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/13/08 1:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software dude, do you start your car with a hand crank as well? i haven't heard about winmodems in a decade. On Jan 13, 2008 4:30 AM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 12, 2008 10:56 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most people who are on the internet are not sophisticated users. basically, they are using a web browser and an email client. maybe some light word processing. .. Not even that much, by my observation. A lot (most?) people who aren't very tech-savvy just use webmail. They often aren't even aware that mail clients, or any internet software other than the browser, exist---to them, the internet IS just the world inside the browser. And Google Docs ought to fill anyone's need for light word processing. Basically, 50% of home computer users would be happy with a Linux machine that went straight into Firefox when you turned it on. (The other half are gamers, which is a whole different issue.) Alex If someone walked me through getting a Lunux distro on the 'net, I'd probably be able to master an email client, browser, etc. by myself and could be rid of WinXP. I've tried getting Ubuntu 7.04, PC Linus OS, Puppy Linux 2.12, Damn Small Linux 3.0 rc2, Mepis 6.5, Mepis 6.0, Knoppix 5.0, Linux Mandrake 6.0, and Red Hat Linux.on the 'net. The serial modem is supposed to support Linux but for some reason will not make the connection. The modem works well with WinXP, so I don't think its likely to be defective. Gerry.Plug and play kind of guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1222 - Release Date: 1/13/2008 12:23 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: Quite a few households still don't have broadband access a dial up modem is their only connection to the net. Unfortunately for those folks, many web site designers seem to assume that broadband is universal, and fill their sites with gratuitous images, multimedia, multi-megabyte Flash or script files, etc. and no option for a dial-up friendly interface. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From: Russ Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gerry, Most Linux Distro's don't handle WIN-Modems well. Not saying that it can't be done. If you will run Belarc http://belarc.com/free_download.html when you have your system booted in WinXP and find Brand and Model of your modem and send the info to me I'll check with the Linux Experts that I have contact with and see if they can come up with a driver that will work for you in PC-Linux. I have Xandros and PC-Linux installed on my laptop and both identified the win-modem and installed the correct driver. If there isn't a driver that will work for your modem you'll have to switch out the modem for a Non-Win-Modem type. I may have a 3-Com around here that you can have, I'll have to do some digging for it. Russ W. Tech Committee Chairman Cajun Clickers Computer Club http://www.clickers.org/ Gerry wrote: Currently I don't have anything but a distro loaded on the computer I'm trying to set up with Linux, so I can't use Belarc. Heres the data from the paperwork that came with it: Stratitec IC56a 56K PCI internal modem Model #IC56a System Requirements: Pentium II, Celeron, Athlon, Duron 233 mhz minimum. Windows 98 or later, Linux 2.4 kernel or later. Manual V1.81 0811505 .. The distro that's currently on the computer is Ubuntu 7.04. .. The Linux installation instruction for this modem say go to: www.stratitec.com/ic56a but that's not a working website. The instructions also say to search the 'net for information on using a Lucent/Agere based modem. Thanks, Gerry - If someone walked me through getting a Lunux distro on the 'net, I'd probably be able to master an email client, browser, etc. by myself and could be rid of WinXP. I've tried getting Ubuntu 7.04, PC Linus OS, Puppy Linux 2.12, Damn Small Linux 3.0 rc2, Mepis 6.5, Mepis 6.0, Knoppix 5.0, Linux Mandrake 6.0, and Red Hat Linux.on the 'net. The serial modem is supposed to support Linux but for some reason will not make the connection. The modem works well with WinXP, so I don't think its likely to be defective. Gerry.Plug and play kind of guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Insight just ran a cable past our house a couple weeks ago. I'm also much to far away from the substation for DSL (10 miles anyway, either way). My only other choice was satelite. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It seems than at Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:09:51 -0500, Allan wrote: On Jan 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: Quite a few households still don't have broadband access a dial up modem is their only connection to the net. Unfortunately for those folks, many web site designers seem to assume that broadband is universal, and fill their sites with gratuitous images, multimedia, multi-megabyte Flash or script files, etc. and no option for a dial-up friendly interface. Allan Privoxy to the rescue!! http://www.privoxy.org/ Well, it can help anyway. Privoxy is a filtering proxy server. Out of the box it will block most of the banner ads and web-bugs. But it can also be set to block java, flash, javascript, etc. Available for Windows, Linux, BSD, Solaris, Mac OSX, Amiga, OS2, etc. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Buy a good USR external OR internal PCI. They are supported. Luther On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:30:51 -0600, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 12, 2008 10:56 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most people who are on the internet are not sophisticated users. basically, they are using a web browser and an email client. maybe some light word processing. .. Not even that much, by my observation. A lot (most?) people who aren't very tech-savvy just use webmail. They often aren't even aware that mail clients, or any internet software other than the browser, exist---to them, the internet IS just the world inside the browser. And Google Docs ought to fill anyone's need for light word processing. Basically, 50% of home computer users would be happy with a Linux machine that went straight into Firefox when you turned it on. (The other half are gamers, which is a whole different issue.) Alex If someone walked me through getting a Lunux distro on the 'net, I'd probably be able to master an email client, browser, etc. by myself and could be rid of WinXP. I've tried getting Ubuntu 7.04, PC Linus OS, Puppy Linux 2.12, Damn Small Linux 3.0 rc2, Mepis 6.5, Mepis 6.0, Knoppix 5.0, Linux Mandrake 6.0, and Red Hat Linux.on the 'net. The serial modem is supposed to support Linux but for some reason will not make the connection. The modem works well with WinXP, so I don't think its likely to be defective. Gerry.Plug and play kind of guy. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: Buy a good USR external OR internal PCI. They are supported. I can't get a x2 connection to save my life, so the best modem for me has been a USR Courier external 28.8k. It's the only one I've used that can consistently connect at and maintain 26.4k. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Plentiful and cheap on eBay. On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:48:45 -0600, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: Buy a good USR external OR internal PCI. They are supported. I can't get a x2 connection to save my life, so the best modem for me has been a USR Courier external 28.8k. It's the only one I've used that can consistently connect at and maintain 26.4k. Mitch. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This gets me thinking, why don't they build a Linux distro based on a web browser interface. The problem I see is that a lot of people are scared of Linux because it has a reputation/perception as being more difficult to use than windoze. To be honest it is due to the need to manually install stuff, whereas windoze is designed for ease of use. Having a web browser interface will overcome a lot of these apprehensions because most computer users are familiar with a web browser and how to navigate around it. If linux is to grow they need to come up with a standard that programmers can work with to build easy to use software that is self installing. Obviously within the linux community there are divisions along the lines of those wanting to build easy to use stuff with an industry standard and those who are linux purists and have a secret agenda to keep non geeks out of linux, fearing if linux becomes too popular it will push them out and make their work redudant. This is understandable from the point of view that one dominat flavour of linux will squash the other flavours into oblivion. Nobody wants to work on a dead end project. I guess that is the first problem that has to be solved, the battle between one dominant linux and having lots of little penguins going off into different areas to see where they end up. Anyway I have to reinstall ubuntu due to clumsy button pushing. Hendrik - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software On Jan 12, 2008 10:56 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most people who are on the internet are not sophisticated users. basically, they are using a web browser and an email client. maybe some light word processing. Not even that much, by my observation. A lot (most?) people who aren't very tech-savvy just use webmail. They often aren't even aware that mail clients, or any internet software other than the browser, exist---to them, the internet IS just the world inside the browser. And Google Docs ought to fill anyone's need for light word processing. Basically, 50% of home computer users would be happy with a Linux machine that went straight into Firefox when you turned it on. (The other half are gamers, which is a whole different issue.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry, Try the following and see if that works. Let me know if it does or doesn't. 1.Install current full tar.gz of martian http://www.barrelsoutofbond.org/downloads/martian/ 2.Unpack martian somewhere you can work on it /home/user/martian or similar 3.As root go into the subdir where martian is located and run the following: make all make install then go into the subdir called scripts and run ./automate.sh ./remove_outdated.sh 4.Now you can delete martian it's installed 5.Edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common DISABLED_MODULES=”” to say DISABLED_MODULES=”ltm” this kills the nonworking ltmodem 6.Edit /etc/init.d/martian DEVICE=”/dev/ttySM0” to say DEVICE=”/dev/modem” 7.Now as root enter update-rc.d martian defaults Russ W. Tech Committee Chairman Cajun Clickers Computer Club http://www.clickers.org/ Gerry wrote: Currently I don't have anything but a distro loaded on the computer I'm trying to set up with Linux, so I can't use Belarc. Heres the data from the paperwork that came with it: Stratitec IC56a 56K PCI internal modem Model #IC56a System Requirements: Pentium II, Celeron, Athlon, Duron 233 mhz minimum. Windows 98 or later, Linux 2.4 kernel or later. Manual V1.81 0811505 .. The distro that's currently on the computer is Ubuntu 7.04. .. The Linux installation instruction for this modem say go to: www.stratitec.com/ic56a but that's not a working website. The instructions also say to search the 'net for information on using a Lucent/Agere based modem. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I like the V.everything that was upgraded to 56k. It consistently turned in a solid 48.000, and at times all the way 52.000. Then I got cable modems and that was that. clay On 13 Jan 2008, at 16:48, Mitch Haley wrote: Luther wrote: Buy a good USR external OR internal PCI. They are supported. I can't get a x2 connection to save my life, so the best modem for me has been a USR Courier external 28.8k. It's the only one I've used that can consistently connect at and maintain 26.4k. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Redghost wrote: I like the V.everything that was upgraded to 56k. It consistently turned in a solid 48.000, and at times all the way 52.000. Then I got cable modems and that was that. You must not have 6 miles of wire between you and town. I've tried an identical Courier, the same 25mhz cpu and version number, but with the final v.everything software upgrade. It gets 16.8 or 19.2k. I thought that windoze was reporting 1/2 speed, but nope, it brings in a little over 2k/sec when I get 2.8k to 3.1k per second throughput on the modem with its original 28.8k software. Actually, my situation might be worse than just the distance from town. My isp's modem bank is in another town 10 miles (and a different area code) from the town that my phone service comes from. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: Buy a good USR external OR internal PCI. They are supported. I can't get a x2 connection to save my life, so the best modem for me has been a USR Courier external 28.8k. It's the only one I've used that can consistently connect at and maintain 26.4k. Mitch. 26.4 - that's the maximum speed possible through an analog telephone central office. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cable is much better than DSL, if you can get it. At our farm, I am thrilled that verizon has lit up their wireless towe with HS data. There will not be cable or DSL there for at least another 50 years. SO now I know we can get wireless there Next Question: how can i plug a usb wireless dongle into a wireless access point to be able to use more than 1 computer at a time? A usb to ethernet adapter? At 06:37 PM 1/13/2008, you wrote: Insight just ran a cable past our house a couple weeks ago. I'm also much to far away from the substation for DSL (10 miles anyway, either way). My only other choice was satelite. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They have. Can't remember who did it. Some big name company. On Jan 13, 2008 7:22 PM, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This gets me thinking, why don't they build a Linux distro based on a web browser interface. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well I think that once again I am going to take the Linux plunge. I think it was 2 years ago that someone from this list sent me disks of Slackware 10.1 I thank Lt Don. Though it installed rather well I had difficulty setting everything up. At the time I had a TV tuner that I used. Now my system is simple with 2 cd roms 1 that is a dvd and the other is a burner. It has a Iomega drive that I do not really use, the floppy and 56 k modem. I would like to know Linux software is easy to use for all of you. Please let me know that size hard drive that is required to run these versions. I would remove the modem, and tv tuner before install. Maybe the Iomega and Floppy. Thanks. to all Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Could be. The wire center is a few miles away. Far enough away that DSL is not available, but the guy next door has DSL. I am good with cable speeds. Neighbor is a M$ minion and is trapped using their junk hardware clay On 13 Jan 2008, at 18:12, Mitch Haley wrote: Redghost wrote: I like the V.everything that was upgraded to 56k. It consistently turned in a solid 48.000, and at times all the way 52.000. Then I got cable modems and that was that. You must not have 6 miles of wire between you and town. I've tried an identical Courier, the same 25mhz cpu and version number, but with the final v.everything software upgrade. It gets 16.8 or 19.2k. I thought that windoze was reporting 1/2 speed, but nope, it brings in a little over 2k/sec when I get 2.8k to 3.1k per second throughput on the modem with its original 28.8k software. Actually, my situation might be worse than just the distance from town. My isp's modem bank is in another town 10 miles (and a different area code) from the town that my phone service comes from. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yea, that was me, but for the sake of God throw those Slack 10.1 CDs into the trash. They are on version 12 now. Even a geek like me has stopped using Slack. Grab PCLinusOS 2007 or Mepis. I think you can have PCLOS CDs sent to your door for $5.95 if you go to their website. Pretty much the cost of the blank CD and shipping. Slack is if you want to learn Linux the hard way (me). PCLOS is if you want to just use it. D. On Jan 13, 2008 8:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think that once again I am going to take the Linux plunge. I think it was 2 years ago that someone from this list sent me disks of Slackware 10.1 I thank Lt Don. Though it installed rather well I had difficulty setting everything up. At the time I had a TV tuner that I used. Now my system is simple with 2 cd roms 1 that is a dvd and the other is a burner. It has a Iomega drive that I do not really use, the floppy and 56 k modem. I would like to know Linux software is easy to use for all of you. Please let me know that size hard drive that is required to run these versions. I would remove the modem, and tv tuner before install. Maybe the Iomega and Floppy. Thanks. to all Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Linux is getting easier to use every day, there are various linux versions and I would not use one that is more than a few months old. Ubuntu have just gone to version 7.10 which addresses a lot of issues. One of the issues I have is with my video card which seems to have been addressed in 7.10 but still takes a bit of fiddeling. At the moment I am installing ubuntu 7.04 which picked up my direct internet connection and will upgrade to 7.10 before putting my video cardback in the box. You can run most linux distros off a live CD which won't require much space at all but for performance a hard drive install is best. You may want to make a couple of CD's and see which distro is best for your system before commiting to a hard drive install. Hendrik - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software I would like to know Linux software is easy to use for all of you. Please let me know that size hard drive that is required to run these versions. I would remove the modem, and tv tuner before install. Maybe the Iomega and Floppy. Thanks. to all Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Only when forced to (i.e. at work). OS X and various kinds of Debian at home. :) On Jan 11, 2008 5:31 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'd bet you are nevertheless running XP as your OS, aren't you? On Jan 11, 2008 7:27 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a recovering Windows device driver developer, I can with authority speak to the fact that Windows is itself full of flakey system-level code that makes it pretty darn hard to write a 100% reliable driver. It's kind of like blaming the builder of a house in an earthquake zone when it collapses. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
y'know, wonk, you've got me thinking that linux is a practical solution for MANY computer users. i know i have beaten this to death, but it seems that the vast majority of pc users cannot manage windoze. i know people who even know a lot about windoze who end up having to reformat hard drives and start over every few years. most people who are on the internet are not sophisticated users. basically, they are using a web browser and an email client. maybe some light word processing. if they run xp they get adware/malware to death, virused into non functionality. so they always have computer problems when the only problem they really have is running windoze. on linux, they'd be able to do all they do anyway without developing all these problems. it is hte solution for the masses, but no one is making this clear to them. On Jan 11, 2008 8:04 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not exactly free -- you will need to burn it to CD so there is the cost of the blank CD involved. :-) http://www.pclinuxos.com/ (what I run) http://www.mepis.org/ (what is on my wife's system) http://linuxmint.com/ ALL free downloads. On Jan 11, 2008 6:48 PM, jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PCLinusOS 2007 and Mint is that something that can be d/l'd for free?.. I am really looking to move from microsoft.. Douglas - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software PCLinuxOS 2007 is pretty much plug play now. So is Linux Mint. Mepis 7.0, too. You might want to avoid Slackware. : -) Unless you've tried a distro released in the last couple of months, you don't know what Linux is in January 2008. In most cases, current linux is way more plug play than either Win98 or WinXP. On Jan 11, 2008 6:05 PM, jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
I have a question for all of you in the IT sector. Now that Apple uses Intel processors and obviously their new operating software uses it. Will there Leopard work on a Windows XP computer. More specifically on a AMD processor? Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
I don't know about Leopard, but there is proof that people have been able to take the Tiger OS (OS X 10.4.x) and get it to run on an Intel (non-Apple) system. MacDan --- jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for all of you in the IT sector. Now that Apple uses Intel processors and obviously their new operating software uses it. Will there Leopard work on a Windows XP computer. More specifically on a AMD processor? Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
No But if you go to http://www.maconintel.com/ you can find info about building a OS X compatible intel box. If you get the right video card and use the right processor, it is doable. I have not studied the motherboard situation, but the info is at http://www.maconintel.com/ At 03:22 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: I have a question for all of you in the IT sector. Now that Apple uses Intel processors and obviously their new operating software uses it. Will there Leopard work on a Windows XP computer. More specifically on a AMD processor? Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Nope. Apple as hinted around for years about a PC version of the OS, but never has actually spit one out. There may be a third party enabler program somewhere -- after all, you can use BootCamp to run XP on a Mac now, they cannot have very different logic boards. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
PCLinuxOS 2007 is pretty much plug play now. So is Linux Mint. Mepis 7.0, too. You might want to avoid Slackware. : -) Unless you've tried a distro released in the last couple of months, you don't know what Linux is in January 2008. In most cases, current linux is way more plug play than either Win98 or WinXP. On Jan 11, 2008 6:05 PM, jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
PCLinusOS 2007 and Mint is that something that can be d/l'd for free?.. I am really looking to move from microsoft.. Douglas - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software PCLinuxOS 2007 is pretty much plug play now. So is Linux Mint. Mepis 7.0, too. You might want to avoid Slackware. : -) Unless you've tried a distro released in the last couple of months, you don't know what Linux is in January 2008. In most cases, current linux is way more plug play than either Win98 or WinXP. On Jan 11, 2008 6:05 PM, jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
--- Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Nope. Apple as hinted around for years about a PC version of the OS, but never has actually spit one out. There may be a third party enabler program somewhere -- after all, you can use BootCamp to run XP on a Mac now, they cannot have very different logic boards. The Apple hardware *is* PC hardware, there are artificial restrictions in place that prevent casual users from doign what you describe. The problem is one of driver/hardware compatibility. A big contributor to the percived instability of WIndows is the fact that the OS is expected to support just about every piece of hardware on the market. Apple has a vertically-integrated solution so they have much greater control of the system and consequently a more stable platform. I forget the exact statistics but there is data to support the assertion that most Windows crashes/bluescreens are due to flakey driver code that is provided by third-party developers. Nevertheless everybody blames Microsoft... I think Apple is aware of this and is unlikely to give up their position. -Zach ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
They tried it with NeXT and it was the death of the company. Waaayy to many devices and drivers in the Intel world for an OS with that user base. As long as they control the hardware, they can keep the device support manageable. I'm sure they have generic Intel builds in their labs (as they had for OSX from version 10.0, after all the NEXTSTEP OS it was based on was already running on both Intel and Motorola chips), but will be very careful about releasing anything for generic hardware. Allan On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Nope. Apple as hinted around for years about a PC version of the OS, but never has actually spit one out. There may be a third party enabler program somewhere -- after all, you can use BootCamp to run XP on a Mac now, they cannot have very different logic boards. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Not exactly free -- you will need to burn it to CD so there is the cost of the blank CD involved. :-) http://www.pclinuxos.com/ (what I run) http://www.mepis.org/ (what is on my wife's system) http://linuxmint.com/ ALL free downloads. On Jan 11, 2008 6:48 PM, jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PCLinusOS 2007 and Mint is that something that can be d/l'd for free?.. I am really looking to move from microsoft.. Douglas - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software PCLinuxOS 2007 is pretty much plug play now. So is Linux Mint. Mepis 7.0, too. You might want to avoid Slackware. : -) Unless you've tried a distro released in the last couple of months, you don't know what Linux is in January 2008. In most cases, current linux is way more plug play than either Win98 or WinXP. On Jan 11, 2008 6:05 PM, jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Have a look at PC-BSD. http://www.pcbsd.org/ On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:05 PM, jgiels wrote: I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
On Jan 11, 2008 5:07 PM, Zach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forget the exact statistics but there is data to support the assertion that most Windows crashes/bluescreens are due to flakey driver code that is provided by third-party developers. Nevertheless everybody blames Microsoft... I call B.S. How would you measure such a thing? As a recovering Windows device driver developer, I can with authority speak to the fact that Windows is itself full of flakey system-level code that makes it pretty darn hard to write a 100% reliable driver. It's kind of like blaming the builder of a house in an earthquake zone when it collapses. The house may or may not have been well-built, but that doesn't change the fact that the site was unstable all along. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
And I'd bet you are nevertheless running XP as your OS, aren't you? On Jan 11, 2008 7:27 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a recovering Windows device driver developer, I can with authority speak to the fact that Windows is itself full of flakey system-level code that makes it pretty darn hard to write a 100% reliable driver. It's kind of like blaming the builder of a house in an earthquake zone when it collapses. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
I should add that all three are distributed in live-CD mode, meaning that you can boot off of the CD and run everything from CD, so you can play with them before you install them to hard drive. If you repartition your C: drive, you can easily dual-boot Windows and Linux with any of the three. I think that is the default option. On Jan 11, 2008 6:30 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PCLinuxOS 2007 is pretty much plug play now. So is Linux Mint. Mepis 7.0, too. You might want to avoid Slackware. : -) Unless you've tried a distro released in the last couple of months, you don't know what Linux is in January 2008. In most cases, current linux is way more plug play than either Win98 or WinXP. On Jan 11, 2008 6:05 PM, jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just would like to have another choice! Though Linux has come along way it still is not easy enough for me. I know many here use it and am glad, though I really am a plug and play kind of guy. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
This is why you can build a OSX computer, but you would need to be very careful to use the same hardware that Apple uses. I've been tempted, but I never have done it since older hardware is sufficient for my needs. At 07:07 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: The Apple hardware *is* PC hardware, there are artificial restrictions in place that prevent casual users from doing what you describe. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Why would one want to do so? On Jan 11, 2008 9:13 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why you can build a OSX computer, but you would need to be very careful to use the same hardware that Apple uses. I've been tempted, but I never have done it since older hardware is sufficient for my needs. At 07:07 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: The Apple hardware *is* PC hardware, there are artificial restrictions in place that prevent casual users from doing what you describe. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
Duh, Maybe $1000 vs $2000 or $3000 At 09:25 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: Why would one want to do so? On Jan 11, 2008 9:13 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why you can build a OSX computer, but you would need to be very careful to use the same hardware that Apple uses. I've been tempted, but I never have done it since older hardware is sufficient for my needs. At 07:07 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: The Apple hardware *is* PC hardware, there are artificial restrictions in place that prevent casual users from doing what you describe. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
On Jan 11, 2008 10:13 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why you can build a OSX computer, but you would need to be very careful to use the same hardware that Apple uses. I've been tempted, but I never have done it since older hardware is sufficient for my needs. At 07:07 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: The Apple hardware *is* PC hardware, there are artificial restrictions in place that prevent casual users from doing what you describe. Loren Faeth You can not build on OSX computer. Technically the license for the software prohibits you from using the OS on anything but an Apple branded machine. Not that they are going to knock your door down and shoot you. Either way, Intel Macs do not use BIOS, they use Intel EFI. which means the OS can *not* run on any off the shelf hardware at this time in it's current configuration. Also, Apple hardware is Industry Standard hardware. It's an important distinction. Apple partnered with Intel and oversees the development of the boards used in all their computers. You can *not* buy the same board off the shelf anywhere. Even the board that is closest to it and directly from Intel has different core chips. However, if you know anything about UNIX, and are willing to take the time and effort to shoehorn a Triton V10 between the framerails of your W108. Then anything is possible. The kernel for the OS, which is the core piece of software that sits on the very bottom and talks between all the driver and applications level software and the hardware, is open source. You can download the entire OS X system, for free, directly from Apple. This system will run on most standard Intel hardware, and even some AMD chipset systems. The only difference, and it's absolutely the largest, is that the *windowing software* is not available. Darwin (the open source version of OS X) uses the standard UNIX X11 window system. It will remind anyone who installs it of any other Linux/UNIX distribution they have ever used. Aqua (the closed source Apple window system) is the pretty portion of OS X. It is also the interpreter for Apple software. OS X (Puma, Cheetah, Panther, Tiger and Leopard) can run X11 applications as Apple includes an X11 server, however X11 can *not* run Aqua applications. What this means is that what everyone says makes a Mac a Mac (ie the apps and ease of use) is not to be found in Darwin, even though it *is* the full core of the OS X system. Look around hard enough using Google and you can find tutorials on how to strip out the kernel pieces from a Leopard system disc, replace them with the core internals of Darwin, burn a new Darwin/Leopard hybrid and use this to install a bastardized Aqua on your Intel hardware. However, be forwarned that if Darwin and Leopard do not have drivers for any of the hardware or chipsets on your board, then those functions simply will not work. Personally, I recommend you save yourself the trouble and just buy a Mac if OS X is what you are wanting to use. Ed -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
--- Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Intel Macs do not use BIOS, they use Intel EFI. which means the OS can *not* run on any off the shelf hardware at this time in it's current configuration. There are motherboards with EFI-based BIOS available. I am writing this email one one now. Although I havent tried installing OSX on it! ;) Also, Apple hardware is Industry Standard hardware. It's an important distinction. Apple partnered with Intel and oversees the development of the boards used in all their computers. You can *not* buy the same board off the shelf anywhere. Even the board that is closest to it and directly from Intel has different core chips. Probably not a different chipset, but a different board implementation... Personally, I recommend you save yourself the trouble and just buy a Mac if OS X is what you are wanting to use. I agree with that 100%! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
--- Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I call B.S. How would you measure such a thing? You must have been a Windows device driver developer a while ago, because they have been publishing these statistics at every WinHEC for the last many years. They collect the data using Online Crash Analysis (that send crash info to MS popup that you get when something bad happens) Of course the info comes from MS so the conspiracy theorists will not believe it, I have spent enough time (7 solid years) in system validation labs debugging kernel-mode windows failures to believe it. The vast majority of the bluescreens that I looked at were due to faulty drivers... Despite my profession I am anything but a windows evangelist, in my perfect world we would all use macs... And I agree there is some flakey system level code in there... But in this one case I tend to belive the propaganda because it is consistent with my own experience. -Zach As a recovering Windows device driver developer, I can with authority speak to the fact that Windows is itself full of flakey system-level code that makes it pretty darn hard to write a 100% reliable driver. It's kind of like blaming the builder of a house in an earthquake zone when it collapses. The house may or may not have been well-built, but that doesn't change the fact that the site was unstable all along. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
