[MBZ] POS W220

[clay via Mercedes]

This car is really a rolling polished turd.  The cluster just shat itself, so 
now a driver can no longer see what it going on regarding speed or other data 
while driving.  Research shows DBAG knew full well they had screwed up and had 
a 10 recall on this.  I am not sure the work was done, but if it had been, now 
the replacement is dead.  Stealership says it is a $2500 part.

I hate this car


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I do not revel in your loss, however, it does give me all the more validation 
for getting rid of my W220.

Sorry.

-D


> On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:23 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> This car is really a rolling polished turd.  The cluster just shat itself, so 
> now a driver can no longer see what it going on regarding speed or other data 
> while driving.  Research shows DBAG knew full well they had screwed up and 
> had a 10 recall on this.  I am not sure the work was done, but if it had 
> been, now the replacement is dead.  Stealership says it is a $2500 part.
> 
> I hate this car
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 
> retired models-
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Clay's report, though negative, has value because it educates us as a group.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I do not revel in your loss, however, it does give me all the more
> validation for getting rid of my W220.
>
> Sorry.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:23 AM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > This car is really a rolling polished turd.  The cluster just shat
> itself, so now a driver can no longer see what it going on regarding speed
> or other data while driving.  Research shows DBAG knew full well they had
> screwed up and had a 10 recall on this.  I am not sure the work was done,
> but if it had been, now the replacement is dead.  Stealership says it is a
> $2500 part.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It also bolsters my contention that the W220 is a veritable snake pit of 
functions only manageable if you have a DAS/Xentry system, and even if you do 
you’re still pretty much relegated to being a parts changer of very expensive 
parts.

I’ve had cars I had little confidence in but my W220, despite being very nice 
and everything working just fine, was at the top of my list.  I hated driving 
it.

-D


> On Feb 14, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clay's report, though negative, has value because it educates us as a group.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 


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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

And not only that but you will also likely need all  manner of expensive 
gear and service from the stealer to replace it and get it and the rest 
of the car and systems to play nice with each other and actually talk to 
each other.  Sorta like marriage counseling for a car and it's extended 
dependents.  You probably gonna have to put the root on it too and hope 
that keeps the hags away.


And if even if you do all that it will still be a POS.

--FT


On 2/14/17 2:23 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

This car is really a rolling polished turd.  The cluster just shat itself, so 
now a driver can no longer see what it going on regarding speed or other data 
while driving.  Research shows DBAG knew full well they had screwed up and had 
a 10 recall on this.  I am not sure the work was done, but if it had been, now 
the replacement is dead.  Stealership says it is a $2500 part.

I hate this car


clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And as Clay suggests, there was a recall on the instrument clusters.  I don’t 
remember the details, but I do remember seeing references to it in the various 
W220 forums.

Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay 
describes.

-D


> On Feb 14, 2017, at 9:58 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And not only that but you will also likely need all  manner of expensive gear 
> and service from the stealer to replace it and get it and the rest of the car 
> and systems to play nice with each other and actually talk to each other.  
> Sorta like marriage counseling for a car and it's extended dependents.  You 
> probably gonna have to put the root on it too and hope that keeps the hags 
> away.
> 
> And if even if you do all that it will still be a POS.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay 
> describes.

--FT plays with arduino, correct?  Why can't somebody in geek land
figure how to tap that system stream and deliver to hack interface?
Yeah, W123 may not have stuff, but it remains reliable for cheap most
times.
tin-man

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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Jaime might chime in here, but the protocol translation would be problematic, I 
suspect.

-D

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> -D wrote:
>> Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay 
>> describes.
> 
> --FT plays with arduino, correct?  Why can't somebody in geek land
> figure how to tap that system stream and deliver to hack interface?
> Yeah, W123 may not have stuff, but it remains reliable for cheap most
> times.
> tin-man
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think in those cars, and Jaime would know the details, everything is 
connected to the CANBUS which is like a network in the car, and all the 
devices talk to it and receive info from it, so you would need to know 
the protocols, device addresses on the bus, etc. then how a particular 
component actually turns the data into something that is displayed.  
Anything could be brute-force reverse-engineered but it is not easy or 
quick.  But yeah once you had that it could probably be done.  I guess 
there is some published protocol for some of it so those dongles can 
capture info that then gets sent to an app on your phone to show various 
performance info, but that does not go to the actual device level.


Sounds like whoever owns one of these needs a donor out back that might 
be still mostly functional.  I guess Dan did me a favor on my buddy's 
car, but now the ML is getting up in miles and might go past the ext 
warranty limits...


--FT


On 2/14/17 2:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Jaime might chime in here, but the protocol translation would be problematic, I 
suspect.

-D


On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
wrote:

-D wrote:

Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay 
describes.

--FT plays with arduino, correct?  Why can't somebody in geek land
figure how to tap that system stream and deliver to hack interface?
Yeah, W123 may not have stuff, but it remains reliable for cheap most
times.
tin-man

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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I did a search on car-part.com for 2002 only.  Any idea what other years 
may be the same?  If other years interchange, I will redo the search.


nothing shows up for 2002.  I submitted a request.  I will let you know 
if I find anything.


Unfortunately it is an electronic toy.  As with any electronic toy, when 
the smoke comes out you are expected to throw it away.  You can be the 
first on your block with a w220 aquarium (after all it is made of bullet 
proof class) or planter.  You can grow termaders out of the windows, a 
tree out of the sunroof, and make flowerbeds in the engine bay and trunk.


clay via Mercedes wrote:

2002 s430



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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here;s one on eBay for $180:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/00-06-MERCEDES-W220-S430-CL500-INSTRUMENT-CLUSTER-SPEEDOMETER-264k-2205407947-/262255202022
 


-D

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think in those cars, and Jaime would know the details, everything is 
> connected to the CANBUS which is like a network in the car, and all the 
> devices talk to it and receive info from it, so you would need to know the 
> protocols, device addresses on the bus, etc. then how a particular component 
> actually turns the data into something that is displayed.  Anything could be 
> brute-force reverse-engineered but it is not easy or quick.  But yeah once 
> you had that it could probably be done.  I guess there is some published 
> protocol for some of it so those dongles can capture info that then gets sent 
> to an app on your phone to show various performance info, but that does not 
> go to the actual device level.
> 
> Sounds like whoever owns one of these needs a donor out back that might be 
> still mostly functional.  I guess Dan did me a favor on my buddy's car, but 
> now the ML is getting up in miles and might go past the ext warranty limits...
> 
> --FT
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Nobody overhauls / fixes the clusters?  Business opportunity?

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Does the car still run and drive? If so, drive "by the seat of your pants".
You can judge your speed reasonably well, and use the surrounding traffic -
just match them. I drove my Olds V8 powered MGA for 10 years that way -
never did spend the money to convert/connect the speedo. I did have oil and
fuel gauges though - aftermarket steam gauges would work there.

Just because it's a crappy POS doesn't mean that it won't get you from A to
B.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And as Clay suggests, there was a recall on the instrument clusters.  I
> don’t remember the details, but I do remember seeing references to it in
> the various W220 forums.
>
> Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay
> describes.
>
> -D
>
>


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

BBA Reman rebuilds them for $165.00.

https://us-shop.bba-reman.com/shop/parts/instrument-cluster/mercedes-instrument-cluster-repair/
 


-D



> On Feb 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nobody overhauls / fixes the clusters?  Business opportunity?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Bingo, replace the cluster and dump the car, now you've got more room for
the real MBs

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> BBA Reman rebuilds them for $165.00.
>
> https://us-shop.bba-reman.com/shop/parts/instrument-cluster/
> mercedes-instrument-cluster-repair/  com/shop/parts/instrument-cluster/mercedes-instrument-cluster-repair/>
>
> -D
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I sent a list of those who advertise in the Star about a week ago.  Palo 
Alto Speedo has advertised in the star for 30-40 years.


I redid the car-part.com search for 2000 to 2006 and there are plenty 
from $100 for 112k miles to $250.  I sent the list to Clay

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 3:11 PM
Nobody overhauls / fixes the clusters? Business opportunity?

-
Max
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When an important dash lamp bulb in my 210 burned out after only 250,000 miles, 
I turned on my GPS for a nighttime speedometer and kept driving to work. 
Mitch.


> On February 14, 2017 at 4:13 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Does the car still run and drive? If so, drive "by the seat of your pants".
> You can judge your speed reasonably well, and use the surrounding traffic -
> just match them. I drove my Olds V8 powered MGA for 10 years that way -
> never did spend the money to convert/connect the speedo. I did have oil and
> fuel gauges though - aftermarket steam gauges would work there.
> 
> Just because it's a crappy POS doesn't mean that it won't get you from A to
> B.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > And as Clay suggests, there was a recall on the instrument clusters.  I
> > don’t remember the details, but I do remember seeing references to it in
> > the various W220 forums.
> >
> > Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay
> > describes.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

Does it have a working tach?I drove a Honda Civic by the tach to judge speed 
for a long while


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 Date: 2017-02-15  5:58 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Mitch Haley 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] POS W220 
When an important dash lamp bulb in my 210 burned out after only 250,000 miles, 
I turned on my GPS for a nighttime speedometer and kept driving to work. 
Mitch.


> On February 14, 2017 at 4:13 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Does the car still run and drive? If so, drive "by the seat of your pants".
> You can judge your speed reasonably well, and use the surrounding traffic -
> just match them. I drove my Olds V8 powered MGA for 10 years that way -
> never did spend the money to convert/connect the speedo. I did have oil and
> fuel gauges though - aftermarket steam gauges would work there.
> 
> Just because it's a crappy POS doesn't mean that it won't get you from A to
> B.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > And as Clay suggests, there was a recall on the instrument clusters.  I
> > don’t remember the details, but I do remember seeing references to it in
> > the various W220 forums.
> >
> > Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay
> > describes.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 06:58:36 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> When an important dash lamp bulb in my 210 burned out after only
> 250,000 miles, I turned on my GPS for a nighttime speedometer and kept
> driving to work. Mitch.

I have done the same thing, including using the GPS in the daytime when
our Big Red Van's speedometer was disconnected recently.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[clay via Mercedes]

The grossest issue is that the thing runs on florescent lighting.  A bunch of 
step up transformers to take 12v to 4kv to power three lamps.  The board is a 
full on logic board beyond what a simple arduino can defeat.  There are a few 
yootube videos on how to swap in LED, but that is beyond my solder ability.  
Then you have to reprogram the whole mess


> On Feb 14, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> -D wrote:
>> Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay 
>> describes.
> 
> --FT plays with arduino, correct?  Why can't somebody in geek land
> figure how to tap that system stream and deliver to hack interface?
> Yeah, W123 may not have stuff, but it remains reliable for cheap most
> times.
> tin-man
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[clay via Mercedes]

This in not just the speedo making no data, it is ALL NO DATA, so I can drive 
the car until it runs out of gas, because i will not know the tank is getting 
empty.  That the oil pressure is down, the parking brake is on, the temp is in 
the red, or any other host of failures

clay


> On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:13 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Does the car still run and drive? If so, drive "by the seat of your pants".
> You can judge your speed reasonably well, and use the surrounding traffic -
> just match them. I drove my Olds V8 powered MGA for 10 years that way -
> never did spend the money to convert/connect the speedo. I did have oil and
> fuel gauges though - aftermarket steam gauges would work there.
> 
> Just because it's a crappy POS doesn't mean that it won't get you from A to
> B.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> And as Clay suggests, there was a recall on the instrument clusters.  I
>> don’t remember the details, but I do remember seeing references to it in
>> the various W220 forums.
>> 
>> Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay
>> describes.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[clay via Mercedes]

That is the plan.  I am thinking the free SD will do the job much better and 
less expensive

clay

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bingo, replace the cluster and dump the car, now you've got more room for
> the real MBs
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> BBA Reman rebuilds them for $165.00.
>> 
>> https://us-shop.bba-reman.com/shop/parts/instrument-cluster/
>> mercedes-instrument-cluster-repair/ > com/shop/parts/instrument-cluster/mercedes-instrument-cluster-repair/>
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[clay via Mercedes]

Thank you Curley, I will see how involved the repair becomes

clay


> On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I sent a list of those who advertise in the Star about a week ago.  Palo Alto 
> Speedo has advertised in the star for 30-40 years.
> 
> I redid the car-part.com search for 2000 to 2006 and there are plenty from 
> $100 for 112k miles to $250.  I sent the list to Clay
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> February 14, 2017 at 3:11 PM
>> Nobody overhauls / fixes the clusters? Business opportunity?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yeah, lets take simple discreet systems, a speedo, a tacho, a temp 
gauge, a fuel gauge and a handful of idiot lights, (that are relatively 
easy to troubleshoot) and turn it into a complicated, non-repairable 
mess, just because we can  Charge $2500 for it in place of $200.
Then for good measure, run several step up transformers to power some 
really stupid fluorescent bubs, (also proprietary)

clay via Mercedes 
February 15, 2017 at 6:44 PM
The grossest issue is that the thing runs on florescent lighting. A 
bunch of step up transformers to take 12v to 4kv to power three lamps. 
The board is a full on logic board beyond what a simple arduino can 
defeat. There are a few yootube videos on how to swap in LED, but that 
is beyond my solder ability. Then you have to reprogram the whole mess






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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hey! good plan!  I'll sell ya a cluster for the SD for $2500!  For that, 
I'll even put in new gears in the speedo/odo!



clay via Mercedes 
February 15, 2017 at 7:00 PM
That is the plan. I am thinking the free SD will do the job much 
better and less expensive


clay




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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's how the Germans are winning the war, not everyone knows they never 
really gave up.


--FT


On 2/15/17 8:33 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Yeah, lets take simple discreet systems, a speedo, a tacho, a temp 
gauge, a fuel gauge and a handful of idiot lights, (that are 
relatively easy to troubleshoot) and turn it into a complicated, 
non-repairable mess, just because we can  Charge $2500 for it in 
place of $200.
Then for good measure, run several step up transformers to power some 
really stupid fluorescent bubs, (also proprietary)

clay via Mercedes 
February 15, 2017 at 6:44 PM
The grossest issue is that the thing runs on florescent lighting. A 
bunch of step up transformers to take 12v to 4kv to power three 
lamps. The board is a full on logic board beyond what a simple 
arduino can defeat. There are a few yootube videos on how to swap in 
LED, but that is beyond my solder ability. Then you have to reprogram 
the whole mess






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[MBZ] POS w220 is gone

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

That car was not worth the scrap metal value.  Well, a little more.  Sold it 
for “rebuilder” price of $1800. Bound to be much more value than that in the 
car, but I just needed it gone.  No need for four cars, when only three are 
actually used on the road.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] POS w220 is gone

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You did well.  Celebrate the fact that you are now free of this encumbrance.

-D


> On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:05 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That car was not worth the scrap metal value.  Well, a little more.  Sold it 
> for “rebuilder” price of $1800. Bound to be much more value than that in the 
> car, but I just needed it gone.  No need for four cars, when only three are 
> actually used on the road.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] POS w220 is gone

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So what was wrong with it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 7:05 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That car was not worth the scrap metal value.  Well, a little more.  Sold it 
> for “rebuilder” price of $1800. Bound to be much more value than that in the 
> car, but I just needed it gone.  No need for four cars, when only three are 
> actually used on the road.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] POS w220 is gone

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

IT was a post 1995 benz. 

Crap on wheels

It needed a computer to be able to diagnose or do any repairs, and I only need 
a car which needs wrenches alone to be made good.

As for the technical issue, it has pooped the bed with the Airmatic.  The 
speedo cluster failed a year ago, the electronics are about to implode, the 
circuitry for the lighting has corroded due to being built in china, the 
plastic in the cabin is disintegrating, and I am certain that at any given 
moment another annoying failure will take place

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So what was wrong with it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 7:05 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That car was not worth the scrap metal value.  Well, a little more.  Sold it 
>> for “rebuilder” price of $1800. Bound to be much more value than that in the 
>> car, but I just needed it gone.  No need for four cars, when only three are 
>> actually used on the road.
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] POS w220 is gone

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I'm hoping that the W210 is not that desperate.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] POS w220 is gone

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Shouldn’t be.  All indications from what I’ve seen and experienced is that once 
they’re sorted, they’re fine.

-D

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:32 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> I'm hoping that the W210 is not that desperate.
> 
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