Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks Mitch!


On 11/08/2017 12:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Car-Part.com has W124 Vickers for $25 and up, ZF for $35 and up.
Shouldn't be impossible to find somebody to ship one to you for $50-60.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Car-Part.com has W124 Vickers for $25 and up, ZF for $35 and up. 
Shouldn't be impossible to find somebody to ship one to you for $50-60.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I think JD is running 3000 psi (constant pressure, variable flow) for a 
few decades.  In the 70s they used 2000 or 2500 PSI CP.  My IH Liftall I 
always thought was 1000 psi, but some documents say 800 PSI.  It really 
does not matter because it is constant flow, variable pressure, so it  
only hits the pressure relief in overloaded condition.


I believe the PS is CF, VP.  If so, it only hits the 110 bar when the 
steering is full left or full right, and you hear the oil opeing the 
pressure relief valve.



Larry Turner via Mercedes 
November 7, 2017 at 4:56 PM
Thanks Max!  BTW, your note reminded me that I need to look in the 
Black Tech Data Book to see what they say about pumps - I always 
forget to look at that til I am half way through my repair!  It's a 
great little book - I wonder if they are still available?  Do you have 
one?


I'm glad to hear the Vickers and ZF are the same!  I saw my pump has 
110bar on the label - Man!  that thing runs under quite a bit of 
pressure!!


I need to get my WSM out and see what it takes to remove the 
Reservoir.  Hopefully it's not too bad


Larry



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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks Max!  BTW, your note reminded me that I need to look in the Black 
Tech Data Book to see what they say about pumps - I always forget to 
look at that til I am half way through my repair!  It's a great little 
book - I wonder if they are still available?  Do you have one?


I'm glad to hear the Vickers and ZF are the same!  I saw my pump has 
110bar on the label - Man!  that thing runs under quite a bit of pressure!!


I need to get my WSM out and see what it takes to remove the Reservoir.  
Hopefully it's not too bad


Larry


On 11/07/2017 3:12 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Larry, in the FSM procedure 46-0002 is the survey of power steering pumps
for 124 cars.

Your turbo OM602 should have either Vickers or ZF pump with a red label for
opening pressure of 110 +/- 5 bar (green label on a used pump will not be
the same spec, so I'd avoid those).

Other MB cars with the same pump / same pressure:
124 cars with M103, M104, OM603 turbo [so 1987 300D models], OM606
non-turbo [1995 E300 model], M119 LH(? left hand drive?)
129 cars with M103, M104 up to 06/93, M119 up to 09/92
202 cars with M104

I'm pretty sure some of the gasser engine pumps will have a remote
reservoir, so you may have to swap some parts from your pump onto those
pumps to make them work?  If you can pick one up cheap, might be worth
experimenting.  I would have tried that in a pinch, but I ended up finding
a good used pump from a gasser wagon that had the dual circuit feature.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:57:00 -0500 Larry Turner via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thanks Craig,
> 
> I looked at the A1Cardone and it it not available (for my 91 300D) and 
> it may be a while before it is available.

For repair kits:

https://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1990/mercedes/300d/steering/power_steering_pump_repair_kit.html

https://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1990/mercedes/300d/steering/power_steering_pump_seal_kit.html

Don't ask me why they have them on two pages ...


For new and rebuilt pumps:

https://www.ecstuning.com/Mercedes_Benz-1990-300D-124.128-2.5-Sedan-L5_2.5L/Steering/Pump/
Note: They are dreadfully expensive!


Looking on the CARDONE website, I find:

http://www.cardone.com/Products/Product-Detail?productId=21-5007&make=Mercedes&model=300D&year=1990&info=w%2fo+Electronic+Lock+Differential%3b+To+Engine+%23012819%3a%3a%3aInline+filter+available%3bFor+warranty+purposes+it+is+recommended+to+always+install+a+filter+and+to+use+suggested+OE+Fluid+and+flush+the+system.


Looking at Rock Auto,

http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/mercedes-benz,1990,300d,2.5l+l5+diesel+turbocharged,1193723,steering,power+steering+pump,7380

shows an ACDELCO rebuilt pump for $119.79 with a $75 core
and
an A-1 CARDONE 215007 for $86.79. This, HOWEVER, is "Return and Rebuild
Service Only - You send your part to be rebuilt and returned to you.
We'll email shipping instructions after you submit your order."


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Larry, in the FSM procedure 46-0002 is the survey of power steering pumps
for 124 cars.

Your turbo OM602 should have either Vickers or ZF pump with a red label for
opening pressure of 110 +/- 5 bar (green label on a used pump will not be
the same spec, so I'd avoid those).

Other MB cars with the same pump / same pressure:
124 cars with M103, M104, OM603 turbo [so 1987 300D models], OM606
non-turbo [1995 E300 model], M119 LH(? left hand drive?)
129 cars with M103, M104 up to 06/93, M119 up to 09/92
202 cars with M104

I'm pretty sure some of the gasser engine pumps will have a remote
reservoir, so you may have to swap some parts from your pump onto those
pumps to make them work?  If you can pick one up cheap, might be worth
experimenting.  I would have tried that in a pinch, but I ended up finding
a good used pump from a gasser wagon that had the dual circuit feature.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think Vickers and ZF were both OEM suppliers?  I swapped the PSP off 
the donor 420SEL onto the 560SEC and they look the same but had 
different tags on them (or on one, the tag was missing but it was 
clearly in a different place/size).  I'm pretty sure one was Vickers and 
one was ZF.  I tried to find some details and on one of the forums it 
suggested they were different internally, so different seal kits, but 
externally the same.  I forget now which one was leaking and which is 
the "new" one but they both came off the cars and looked to be original.


--FT


On 11/7/17 9:57 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks Craig,

I looked at the A1Cardone and it it not available (for my 91 300D) and 
it may be a while before it is available.


So I am back to the used pumps offered.

1 Question - is there any difference between the Vickers and ZF 
pumps?  I "assume" they are manufactured to identical MB specs ?


I spoke with our local dealer who told me his computer says I should 
look for these 2 pn's:  1244600280 or 1244601780.   The 0280 # matches 
my current pump.



Any ideas about ZF vs Vickers?

Thanks ya'll!

LarryT

91 300D


On 11/03/2017 3:05 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 14:42:20 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:


Larry,

That looks to me like a complete break of a tab on the body of the
pump, so you'd need to replace the entire pump.

Yes, that's what it looks like to me, too.

I'm in a similar situation, with a power steering pump on our 1990 E300D
that's leaking. I have the choice of replacing all the seals (assuming
the pump is really good) or buying a new pump. I have found a seal kit
for about $18 and an A1CARDONE pump for about $70.

Is the A1CARDONE pump a reliable one, or should I just reseal the one I
have? Of course, if the A1CARDONE pump is reliable, that would be an
option for Larry, too.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks Craig,

I looked at the A1Cardone and it it not available (for my 91 300D) and 
it may be a while before it is available.


So I am back to the used pumps offered.

1 Question - is there any difference between the Vickers and ZF pumps?  
I "assume" they are manufactured to identical MB specs ?


I spoke with our local dealer who told me his computer says I should 
look for these 2 pn's:  1244600280 or 1244601780.   The 0280 # matches 
my current pump.



Any ideas about ZF vs Vickers?

Thanks ya'll!

LarryT

91 300D


On 11/03/2017 3:05 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 14:42:20 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:


Larry,

That looks to me like a complete break of a tab on the body of the
pump, so you'd need to replace the entire pump.

Yes, that's what it looks like to me, too.

I'm in a similar situation, with a power steering pump on our 1990 E300D
that's leaking. I have the choice of replacing all the seals (assuming
the pump is really good) or buying a new pump. I have found a seal kit
for about $18 and an A1CARDONE pump for about $70.

Is the A1CARDONE pump a reliable one, or should I just reseal the one I
have? Of course, if the A1CARDONE pump is reliable, that would be an
option for Larry, too.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Max:  I resealed the dual pump  on the 124 TE.  I am fixin ta reseal the 
PS pump on the 81 240D.
Resealing a single pump  should not be that hard.  Fastest to buy a 
rebuilt or used pump.


How I'd reseal the Single PS pump:  Remove the old seal, take it to the 
local bearing supply (Motion Industries?) and buy 2-3 replacements.  
Probably only $3 each or so.  Buying 2-3 insures that the first  one 
will go in right.  If you buy only one, you may need to go back and buy 
a second.  You may need a oring or 2 to rebuild the pump.  The same 
place will have the orings too.  A single pump is a simple reseal.


Max and Larry:

Cardone:  They are the only place that rebuilds a brake booster for 
107.  I put one in 9 yrs ago and it is still good.  +1 for that.  I 
think they are reputable for the PS pump too and i'd trust 'em.  USA 
rebuilder.





Craig via Mercedes 
November 3, 2017 at 2:05 PM
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 14:42:20 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Yes, that's what it looks like to me, too.

I'm in a similar situation, with a power steering pump on our 1990 E300D
that's leaking. I have the choice of replacing all the seals (assuming
the pump is really good) or buying a new pump. I have found a seal kit
for about $18 and an A1CARDONE pump for about $70.

Is the A1CARDONE pump a reliable one, or should I just reseal the one I
have? Of course, if the A1CARDONE pump is reliable, that would be an
option for Larry, too.


Craig

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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 3, 2017 at 1:42 PM
Larry,

That looks to me like a complete break of a tab on the body of the 
pump, so

you'd need to replace the entire pump. A used pump would probably be a
good bet. If your pump is a single circuit and not a dual circuit like a
car with SLS or ASD, then they are pretty common. I suspect that just
about any pump from a 124, 201, 202, or 210 car would work, although you
may need to move your reservoir over to the "new"pump and change the 
pulley.


-
Max
Charleston SC

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Larry Turner via Mercedes 
November 3, 2017 at 1:36 PM
Hi Randy,

The bracket broke next to the spin-on fuel filter.   I have attached a 
photo showing the bracket with the damage using a circle around the 
damaged area.


Any idea if the material can be welded?   I have electric arc and a 
MIG welders but  not much recent experience using them.  But I can 
probably weld well enough for it to last a while. ;-)


LarryT

91 300D





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Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
November 2, 2017 at 2:44 PM


What happened to the bracket?
Maybe you can have it repaired at least as a temporary fix while you 
look for a replacement.


RB

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Larry Turner via Mercedes 
November 2, 2017 at 2:41 PM
Hey gang,

Had a unpleasant surprise this morning when my wife was going to run 
errands - she started the car and found it had no power steering.  I 
thought the belt may have broken even though it looked good when I 
checked it recently.  We found the bracket that holds the PS Reservoir 
and attaches it to the engine.


I need a used PS bracket for a 1991 300D 602-962 engine. Does anyone 
have one you can part with?  It really surprised me when I saw what 
happened.  Strange things happen I guess.


Thanks all,
LarryT

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Max:  I resealed the dual pump  on the 124 TE.  I am fixin ta reseal the 
PS pump on the 81 240D.
Resealing a single pump  should not be that hard.  Fastest to buy a 
rebuilt or used pump.


How I'd reseal the Single PS pump:  Remove the old seal, take it to the 
local bearing supply (Motion Industries?) and buy 2-3


Max and Larry:

Cardone:  They are the only place that rebuilds a brake booster for 
107.  I put one in 9 yrs ago and it is still good.  +1 for that.  I 
think they are reputable for the PS pump and i'd trust 'em.





Craig via Mercedes 
November 3, 2017 at 2:05 PM
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 14:42:20 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Yes, that's what it looks like to me, too.

I'm in a similar situation, with a power steering pump on our 1990 E300D
that's leaking. I have the choice of replacing all the seals (assuming
the pump is really good) or buying a new pump. I have found a seal kit
for about $18 and an A1CARDONE pump for about $70.

Is the A1CARDONE pump a reliable one, or should I just reseal the one I
have? Of course, if the A1CARDONE pump is reliable, that would be an
option for Larry, too.


Craig

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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 3, 2017 at 1:42 PM
Larry,

That looks to me like a complete break of a tab on the body of the 
pump, so

you'd need to replace the entire pump. A used pump would probably be a
good bet. If your pump is a single circuit and not a dual circuit like a
car with SLS or ASD, then they are pretty common. I suspect that just
about any pump from a 124, 201, 202, or 210 car would work, although you
may need to move your reservoir over to the "new"pump and change the 
pulley.


-
Max
Charleston SC

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Larry Turner via Mercedes 
November 3, 2017 at 1:36 PM
Hi Randy,

The bracket broke next to the spin-on fuel filter.   I have attached a 
photo showing the bracket with the damage using a circle around the 
damaged area.


Any idea if the material can be welded?   I have electric arc and a 
MIG welders but  not much recent experience using them.  But I can 
probably weld well enough for it to last a while. ;-)


LarryT

91 300D





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Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
November 2, 2017 at 2:44 PM


What happened to the bracket?
Maybe you can have it repaired at least as a temporary fix while you 
look for a replacement.


RB

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Larry Turner via Mercedes 
November 2, 2017 at 2:41 PM
Hey gang,

Had a unpleasant surprise this morning when my wife was going to run 
errands - she started the car and found it had no power steering.  I 
thought the belt may have broken even though it looked good when I 
checked it recently.  We found the bracket that holds the PS Reservoir 
and attaches it to the engine.


I need a used PS bracket for a 1991 300D 602-962 engine. Does anyone 
have one you can part with?  It really surprised me when I saw what 
happened.  Strange things happen I guess.


Thanks all,
LarryT

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks Max,

I'll see what I can find.   I have ABS but no ASD or SLS so hopefully 
that will normalize the search a bit.  I started looking yesterday but 
haven't found anything yet.  The ads are either so vague that I can not 
be sure the part will fit or so precise that I am sure it will /not 
/fit!  It's frustrating looking for a odd part like this = had the same 
problem when we were troubleshooting the GP Wiring Harness and I looked 
for a replacement harness.  No such luck!  ;-)


Oh well, just what I needed - another project to test my knee.

Thanks for the suggestion Max,  I am looking far and wide.

LarryT

91 300D W124


On 11/03/2017 2:42 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Larry,

That looks to me like a complete break of a tab on the body of the pump, so
you'd need to replace the entire pump.  A used pump would probably be a
good bet.  If your pump is a single circuit and not a dual circuit like a
car with SLS or ASD, then they are pretty common.  I suspect that just
about any pump from a 124, 201, 202, or 210 car would work, although you
may need to move your reservoir over to the "new"pump and change the pulley.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Hi Randy,

The bracket broke next to the spin-on fuel filter.   I have attached a
photo showing the bracket with the damage using a circle around the damaged
area.

Any idea if the material can be welded?   I have electric arc and a MIG
welders but  not much recent experience using them.  But I can probably
weld well enough for it to last a while. ;-)

LarryT

91 300D




On 11/02/2017 3:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:


On 02/11/2017 2:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:


Hey gang,

Had a unpleasant surprise this morning when my wife was going to run
errands - she started the car and found it had no power steering.  I
thought the belt may have broken even though it looked good when I checked
it recently.  We found the bracket that holds the PS Reservoir and attaches
it to the engine.

I need a used PS bracket for a 1991 300D 602-962 engine. Does anyone
have one you can part with?  It really surprised me when I saw what
happened.  Strange things happen I guess.

Thanks all,
LarryT

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What happened to the bracket?
Maybe you can have it repaired at least as a temporary fix while you look
for a replacement.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 14:42:20 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Larry,
> 
> That looks to me like a complete break of a tab on the body of the
> pump, so you'd need to replace the entire pump.

Yes, that's what it looks like to me, too.

I'm in a similar situation, with a power steering pump on our 1990 E300D
that's leaking. I have the choice of replacing all the seals (assuming
the pump is really good) or buying a new pump. I have found a seal kit
for about $18 and an A1CARDONE pump for about $70.

Is the A1CARDONE pump a reliable one, or should I just reseal the one I
have? Of course, if the A1CARDONE pump is reliable, that would be an
option for Larry, too.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 03/11/2017 1:36 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:

Hi Randy,

The bracket broke next to the spin-on fuel filter.   I have attached a 
photo showing the bracket with the damage using a circle around the 
damaged area.


Any idea if the material can be welded?   I have electric arc and a 
MIG welders but  not much recent experience using them.  But I can 
probably weld well enough for it to last a while. ;-)


LarryT

91 300D




I would guess it could be welded but it looks to be aluminum and I would 
think you need to take it to a welding shop for some expert attention.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Larry,

That looks to me like a complete break of a tab on the body of the pump, so
you'd need to replace the entire pump.  A used pump would probably be a
good bet.  If your pump is a single circuit and not a dual circuit like a
car with SLS or ASD, then they are pretty common.  I suspect that just
about any pump from a 124, 201, 202, or 210 car would work, although you
may need to move your reservoir over to the "new"pump and change the pulley.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hi Randy,
>
> The bracket broke next to the spin-on fuel filter.   I have attached a
> photo showing the bracket with the damage using a circle around the damaged
> area.
>
> Any idea if the material can be welded?   I have electric arc and a MIG
> welders but  not much recent experience using them.  But I can probably
> weld well enough for it to last a while. ;-)
>
> LarryT
>
> 91 300D
>
>
>
>
> On 11/02/2017 3:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On 02/11/2017 2:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Hey gang,
>>>
>>> Had a unpleasant surprise this morning when my wife was going to run
>>> errands - she started the car and found it had no power steering.  I
>>> thought the belt may have broken even though it looked good when I checked
>>> it recently.  We found the bracket that holds the PS Reservoir and attaches
>>> it to the engine.
>>>
>>> I need a used PS bracket for a 1991 300D 602-962 engine. Does anyone
>>> have one you can part with?  It really surprised me when I saw what
>>> happened.  Strange things happen I guess.
>>>
>>> Thanks all,
>>> LarryT
>>>
>>> ___
>>>
>>
>> What happened to the bracket?
>> Maybe you can have it repaired at least as a temporary fix while you look
>> for a replacement.
>>
>> RB
>>
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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Hi Randy,

The bracket broke next to the spin-on fuel filter.   I have attached a 
photo showing the bracket with the damage using a circle around the 
damaged area.


Any idea if the material can be welded?   I have electric arc and a MIG 
welders but  not much recent experience using them.  But I can probably 
weld well enough for it to last a while. ;-)


LarryT

91 300D



On 11/02/2017 3:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 02/11/2017 2:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:

Hey gang,

Had a unpleasant surprise this morning when my wife was going to run 
errands - she started the car and found it had no power steering.  I 
thought the belt may have broken even though it looked good when I 
checked it recently.  We found the bracket that holds the PS 
Reservoir and attaches it to the engine.


I need a used PS bracket for a 1991 300D 602-962 engine. Does anyone 
have one you can part with?  It really surprised me when I saw what 
happened.  Strange things happen I guess.


Thanks all,
LarryT

___ 


What happened to the bracket?
Maybe you can have it repaired at least as a temporary fix while you 
look for a replacement.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] PS Bracket

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 02/11/2017 2:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:

Hey gang,

Had a unpleasant surprise this morning when my wife was going to run 
errands - she started the car and found it had no power steering.  I 
thought the belt may have broken even though it looked good when I 
checked it recently.  We found the bracket that holds the PS Reservoir 
and attaches it to the engine.


I need a used PS bracket for a 1991 300D 602-962 engine. Does anyone 
have one you can part with?  It really surprised me when I saw what 
happened.  Strange things happen I guess.


Thanks all,
LarryT

___ 


What happened to the bracket?
Maybe you can have it repaired at least as a temporary fix while you 
look for a replacement.


RB

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[MBZ] PS Bracket

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Hey gang,

Had a unpleasant surprise this morning when my wife was going to run 
errands - she started the car and found it had no power steering.  I 
thought the belt may have broken even though it looked good when I 
checked it recently.  We found the bracket that holds the PS Reservoir 
and attaches it to the engine.


I need a used PS bracket for a 1991 300D 602-962 engine. Does anyone 
have one you can part with?  It really surprised me when I saw what 
happened.  Strange things happen I guess.


Thanks all,
LarryT

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