Re: [MBZ] Prius
Noticeable Weird Noisey Two out of three are spelled corectly above On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes them > more noticable. > Drivers do not pay enough attention and it is easy to miss a motorcycle. > I can say that I have heard bikes coming before I have seen them. > > Randy who would not want to ride one the noisy ones very far > > PS - As you get older, do you find that you have more issues with > spelling? I am looking at the message above and wondering if "noticable" > and "noisy" are correct. Wierd. > > > On 09/09/2014 7:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > >> Man some days it feels like it. Makes you want to swerve over when one >> sits next to you at a light constantly blipping the throttle. >> >> Harley owners are generally a menace. A couple years ago they talked >> about giving the anti-loud pipe laws here some teeth and the Harley guys >> were all against it including Angie's Dad. I pointed out that quieting >> things down was better than getting banned outright but he doesn't >> understand me. >> Of course he thinks the Ninja Turtle bikes should be quieted down... >> >> -Curt >> >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
Corectly should have a "k" On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Noticeable > Weird > Noisey > > Two out of three are spelled corectly above > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes >> them more noticable. >> Drivers do not pay enough attention and it is easy to miss a motorcycle. >> I can say that I have heard bikes coming before I have seen them. >> >> Randy who would not want to ride one the noisy ones very far >> >> PS - As you get older, do you find that you have more issues with >> spelling? I am looking at the message above and wondering if "noticable" >> and "noisy" are correct. Wierd. >> >> >> On 09/09/2014 7:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> Man some days it feels like it. Makes you want to swerve over when one >>> sits next to you at a light constantly blipping the throttle. >>> >>> Harley owners are generally a menace. A couple years ago they talked >>> about giving the anti-loud pipe laws here some teeth and the Harley guys >>> were all against it including Angie's Dad. I pointed out that quieting >>> things down was better than getting banned outright but he doesn't >>> understand me. >>> Of course he thinks the Ninja Turtle bikes should be quieted down... >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes them more noticable. Drivers do not pay enough attention and it is easy to miss a motorcycle. I can say that I have heard bikes coming before I have seen them. Randy who would not want to ride one the noisy ones very far PS - As you get older, do you find that you have more issues with spelling? I am looking at the message above and wondering if "noticable" and "noisy" are correct. Wierd. On 09/09/2014 7:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Man some days it feels like it. Makes you want to swerve over when one sits next to you at a light constantly blipping the throttle. Harley owners are generally a menace. A couple years ago they talked about giving the anti-loud pipe laws here some teeth and the Harley guys were all against it including Angie's Dad. I pointed out that quieting things down was better than getting banned outright but he doesn't understand me. Of course he thinks the Ninja Turtle bikes should be quieted down... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
Man some days it feels like it. Makes you want to swerve over when one sits next to you at a light constantly blipping the throttle. Harley owners are generally a menace. A couple years ago they talked about giving the anti-loud pipe laws here some teeth and the Harley guys were all against it including Angie's Dad. I pointed out that quieting things down was better than getting banned outright but he doesn't understand me. Of course he thinks the Ninja Turtle bikes should be quieted down... -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prius Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I had a Kawasaki LTD 454 that was often mistaken for an HD Sportster which is > hilarious as it had a transverse inline twin, was liquid cooled and so > quiet... Is there a law requiring all Harley owners to remove all the exhaust baffles where you live too? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
I find that I cannot distinguish between brands of cars sitting next to me in traffic unless I can see some symbol. There are often logos in the wheel centers. They all have about the same profile anymore. Wind tunnel testing? or just copying each other? RB On 09/09/2014 2:56 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: I tried to distinguish sedans and found it near impossible to tell a Benz from a asian anymore. Same head and tail ends. clay On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:04 AM, John Reames via Mercedes wrote: Speaking of ID'ing cars... When taking long drives in the wee hours, has anyone (else) taken to guessing car make/model etc by the head/tail lights? It does have some practical purpose... I bet that you learn to spot American SUV's (particularly Ford) and American full-size sedans first... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:36, Gerald L Bailey via Mercedes wrote: Dimitri wrote: Priapism. Gerry wrote: If I buy a Prius I'll put a Mercedes star and a 300D insignia on it so people will think it's just another brain fart from Mercedes designers in Germany. Few people can identify a car by it's shape. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
I tried to distinguish sedans and found it near impossible to tell a Benz from a asian anymore. Same head and tail ends. clay On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:04 AM, John Reames via Mercedes wrote: > Speaking of ID'ing cars... When taking long drives in the wee hours, has > anyone (else) taken to guessing car make/model etc by the head/tail lights? > > It does have some practical purpose... I bet that you learn to spot American > SUV's (particularly Ford) and American full-size sedans first... > > > -- > John W Reames > jream...@verizon.net > Home: +14106646986 > Mobile: +14437915905 > >> On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:36, Gerald L Bailey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Dimitri wrote: >> Priapism. >> >> Gerry wrote: >> If I buy a Prius I'll put a Mercedes star and a 300D insignia on it so >> people will think it's just another brain fart from Mercedes designers in >> Germany. Few people can identify a car by it's shape. >> Gerry >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I had a Kawasaki LTD 454 that was often mistaken for an HD Sportster which is hilarious as it had a transverse inline twin, was liquid cooled and so quiet... Is there a law requiring all Harley owners to remove all the exhaust baffles where you live too? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
I had a Kawasaki LTD 454 that was often mistaken for an HD Sportster which is hilarious as it had a transverse inline twin, was liquid cooled and so quiet... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: Gerald L Bailey ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prius Careful, you might get beaten up by MB owners in a parking lot. I always threatened to put HD logos on my old Goldwing and tell people who were clueless that it was HD's experiment with flat water cooled engines but I was reluctant to encounter some of the HD folks who might not think it was funny. RB On 09/09/2014 2:36 AM, Gerald L Bailey via Mercedes wrote: > Gerry wrote: > If I buy a Prius I'll put a Mercedes star and a 300D insignia on it so people > will think it's just another brain fart from Mercedes designers in Germany. > Few people can identify a car by it's shape. > Gerry > ___ > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
Careful, you might get beaten up by MB owners in a parking lot. I always threatened to put HD logos on my old Goldwing and tell people who were clueless that it was HD's experiment with flat water cooled engines but I was reluctant to encounter some of the HD folks who might not think it was funny. RB On 09/09/2014 2:36 AM, Gerald L Bailey via Mercedes wrote: Gerry wrote: If I buy a Prius I'll put a Mercedes star and a 300D insignia on it so people will think it's just another brain fart from Mercedes designers in Germany. Few people can identify a car by it's shape. Gerry ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
John Reames via Mercedes wrote: Speaking of ID'ing cars... When taking long drives in the wee hours, has anyone (else) taken to guessing car make/model etc by the head/tail lights? It does have some practical purpose... I bet that you learn to spot American SUV's (particularly Ford) and American full-size sedans first... Pontiac's checkerboard taillights. Three bar Mustang taillights. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
Speaking of ID'ing cars... When taking long drives in the wee hours, has anyone (else) taken to guessing car make/model etc by the head/tail lights? It does have some practical purpose... I bet that you learn to spot American SUV's (particularly Ford) and American full-size sedans first... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 > On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:36, Gerald L Bailey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dimitri wrote: > Priapism. > > Gerry wrote: > If I buy a Prius I'll put a Mercedes star and a 300D insignia on it so people > will think it's just another brain fart from Mercedes designers in Germany. > Few people can identify a car by it's shape. > Gerry > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Prius
Dimitri wrote: Priapism. Gerry wrote: If I buy a Prius I'll put a Mercedes star and a 300D insignia on it so people will think it's just another brain fart from Mercedes designers in Germany. Few people can identify a car by it's shape. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Prius
And why would anyone want to be in a Prius anyway? I call it Priapism:) Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:40 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: .Written as somebody who has obviously never been in a Prius before... I've had one Prius ride which was a taxi with 140K miles on it. Yes, lots room in the back but. The ride was so hard I wondered if it had wooden wheels and the road noise was terrible. And the thing rattled like ten pool balls in a metal garbage can. From the back seat the dash was unreadable, all nooks and crannies. And it's pitiful little headlights... Not at any price, thank you. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius
> .Written as somebody who has obviously never been in a Prius > before... > I've had one Prius ride which was a taxi with 140K miles on it. Yes, lots room in the back but. The ride was so hard I wondered if it had wooden wheels and the road noise was terrible. And the thing rattled like ten pool balls in a metal garbage can. From the back seat the dash was unreadable, all nooks and crannies. And it's pitiful little headlights... Not at any price, thank you. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
Those guys are looking for their Darwin Award. I see them too, and if I could slap them around I would. I can assure you that my cycling colleagues and I are way past the age of being invulnerable (or thinking we are). We do not take up the road, though some cyclists seem to think they can do that to piss off drivers (here in SC a cyclist does have a right, per law, to a whole lane of a road, but it is stupid to annoy cars by doing that unless there is some compelling reason). Yesterday here in Charleston there was some sort of incident down at Folly Beach, had traffic backed up for quite a ways. A truck was making a left turn across the 2 lanes of traffic that was backed up, the cars were letting him through to do that. He looks right to make the turn, proceeds, and got whacked by an EMT or something, on his motorcycle, who was in the wrong lane passing all the stopped traffic to get down to the incident. Motorcyclist said he had his lights and siren on, truck driver said the mcycle did not, but the ambulance way back behind the mcycle did, such that he did not hear or see the mcycle though he saw and heard the ambulance. Who knows, but the truck driver was quite certain, otherwise he said he would not have made the turn. --R On 7/7/2010 4:47 PM, WILTON wrote: Just this morning, I started to make right turn on red (legally, of course, after stopping and sure there was no cross traffic) cyclist whipped past me on the right and went through the red light; he oughta be damned glad I looked back and to the right as I started the turn and stopped in time. He just missed clipping my rt frnt corner and kept right on going, never looking back and thanking me for saving his a$$. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes Around here when the bikes hear a car approaching they bunch up in a pack and take up the whole lane. And just this summer I've seen three near-collisions cause by bicyclists blowing thru stop signs. There are jerks on both sides when it comes to bikes/cars sharing the road. The noise issue for electric cars has been long known; I'm surprised Toyota did not anticipate that in their design. They are hardly the first electric car to be designed, produced, sold, or driven. Allan On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:14 -0400, "Rich Thomas" wrote: A group of us was cycling a couple weeks ago, a Pious on battery passed us too closely (dumbass driver too, imagine that), and no one heard it. It was sorta scary and surprising, this thing just materialized right next to us, very close. It was kind of an Ohsh** moment for all of us. Usually whoever is in the back of the pack hears a car and hollers so we get over to the right as far as we can, with this thing if someone had moved over a bit to dodge something on the road, we all probably would have been knocked down and run over. I wonder if one could sue Toyota for something like that, since they are being sued for everything else now -- knowing that being so quiet is dangerous, yet they have done nothing about it. I seem to recall that there was some harsh invective hurled at the driver, along with certain hand gestures, not that it did any good. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
I like the idea of an automatically advancing card on the spokes. It is simple and some of us remember the cards on bike spokes, so it kind of deflates the pious owners pious ego to some extent. On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:36 -0400, "WILTON" wrote: BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. Maybe they should have a sound like a chorus of angels to underscore the "holier than thou" attitude of most of the owners. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
I think the general thinking is, an understeering car is safer than an oversteering car, which it is, for the average driver. Putting the better tires on the rear, will just accentuate this, in most cases. However, 30 years ago, such wisdom didn't play into it, they were just dumb. hee hee. These days, I don't know of any shop that will fit just two snows. Ed 300E On 7 July 2010 16:55, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:58 PM, E M wrote: > > > Like when a bunch of people used to put snows on the rears only, > > when FWD were making it onto the scene. > > > > > A lot of tire shops will tell you htat if you're only replacing two tires > on > your car, regardless of whether it's FWD or RWD, you should put the new > ones > (presumably with better traction) on the back. I guess they are thinking > it's better you don't die of terminal oversteer. Snow tires on the back of > an FWD car might be the consequence of the same reasoning (if there's any > reasoning at all going on, which I guess in the case of the average driver > is unlikely). > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:58 PM, E M wrote: > Like when a bunch of people used to put snows on the rears only, > when FWD were making it onto the scene. > > A lot of tire shops will tell you htat if you're only replacing two tires on your car, regardless of whether it's FWD or RWD, you should put the new ones (presumably with better traction) on the back. I guess they are thinking it's better you don't die of terminal oversteer. Snow tires on the back of an FWD car might be the consequence of the same reasoning (if there's any reasoning at all going on, which I guess in the case of the average driver is unlikely). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
Just this morning, I started to make right turn on red (legally, of course, after stopping and sure there was no cross traffic) cyclist whipped past me on the right and went through the red light; he oughta be damned glad I looked back and to the right as I started the turn and stopped in time. He just missed clipping my rt frnt corner and kept right on going, never looking back and thanking me for saving his a$$. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes Around here when the bikes hear a car approaching they bunch up in a pack and take up the whole lane. And just this summer I've seen three near-collisions cause by bicyclists blowing thru stop signs. There are jerks on both sides when it comes to bikes/cars sharing the road. The noise issue for electric cars has been long known; I'm surprised Toyota did not anticipate that in their design. They are hardly the first electric car to be designed, produced, sold, or driven. Allan On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:14 -0400, "Rich Thomas" wrote: A group of us was cycling a couple weeks ago, a Pious on battery passed us too closely (dumbass driver too, imagine that), and no one heard it. It was sorta scary and surprising, this thing just materialized right next to us, very close. It was kind of an Ohsh** moment for all of us. Usually whoever is in the back of the pack hears a car and hollers so we get over to the right as far as we can, with this thing if someone had moved over a bit to dodge something on the road, we all probably would have been knocked down and run over. I wonder if one could sue Toyota for something like that, since they are being sued for everything else now -- knowing that being so quiet is dangerous, yet they have done nothing about it. I seem to recall that there was some harsh invective hurled at the driver, along with certain hand gestures, not that it did any good. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
I believe the proper warning is, "zoom zoom, I'm coming through". hee hee. ;-) Ed 300E On 7 July 2010 16:39, WILTON wrote: > Knowing that my electric scooter is too quiet, I try to warn people in > front of me when shopping, "Coming past you on the right/left, etc." 'Guess > I could rig a playing card to rub against a tire tread. ;<)) > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" < > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes > > > A group of us was cycling a couple weeks ago, a Pious on battery passed us >> too closely (dumbass driver too, imagine that), and no one heard it. It was >> sorta scary and surprising, this thing just materialized right next to us, >> very close. It was kind of an Ohsh** moment for all of us. Usually whoever >> is in the back of the pack hears a car and hollers so we get over to the >> right as far as we can, with this thing if someone had moved over a bit to >> dodge something on the road, we all probably would have been knocked down >> and run over. I wonder if one could sue Toyota for something like that, >> since they are being sued for everything else now -- knowing that being so >> quiet is dangerous, yet they have done nothing about it. >> >> I seem to recall that there was some harsh invective hurled at the driver, >> along with certain hand gestures, not that it did any good. >> >> --R >> >> On 7/7/2010 3:55 PM, E M wrote: >> >>> A Prius owner almost back into me while walking in a parking lot >>> yesterday, >>> and damn near ran me over. I really do try hard not to think of all >>> Prius >>> owners as idiots, but they're not giving me much to work with. >>> >>> They're always complaining about me wasting all the oil, running my >>> Porsche. Well they're wasting all the electricity in their "feel good >>> but >>> do nothing cars", that I could be using to run my air conditioner. >>> >>> Ed >>> 300E >>> >>> On 7 July 2010 14:36, WILTON wrote: >>> >>> >>> 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." >>>> >>>> BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install >>>> noise >>>> makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A >>>> clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< >>>> >>>> Wilton >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
Guy probably just retired, so he bought a Prius and if off to save the world (which doesn't need saving), along with Al Gore. Ed 300E On 7 July 2010 16:32, WILTON wrote: > Driver of the one with 4 "port holes" on each fender was little bald-headed > guy 'bout 65. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" < > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes > > > I saw some sh**box the other day with $2000 worth of rims and tires, with >> *4* portholes on each front fender. I think it really attracted the >> wimmins, and all the homies thought the driver was fly, too, yo. Word. >> >> --R >> >> >> On 7/7/2010 2:36 PM, WILTON wrote: >> >>> 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." >>> >>> BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install >>> noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. >>> A clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< >>> >>> Wilton >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
Knowing that my electric scooter is too quiet, I try to warn people in front of me when shopping, "Coming past you on the right/left, etc." 'Guess I could rig a playing card to rub against a tire tread. ;<)) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes A group of us was cycling a couple weeks ago, a Pious on battery passed us too closely (dumbass driver too, imagine that), and no one heard it. It was sorta scary and surprising, this thing just materialized right next to us, very close. It was kind of an Ohsh** moment for all of us. Usually whoever is in the back of the pack hears a car and hollers so we get over to the right as far as we can, with this thing if someone had moved over a bit to dodge something on the road, we all probably would have been knocked down and run over. I wonder if one could sue Toyota for something like that, since they are being sued for everything else now -- knowing that being so quiet is dangerous, yet they have done nothing about it. I seem to recall that there was some harsh invective hurled at the driver, along with certain hand gestures, not that it did any good. --R On 7/7/2010 3:55 PM, E M wrote: A Prius owner almost back into me while walking in a parking lot yesterday, and damn near ran me over. I really do try hard not to think of all Prius owners as idiots, but they're not giving me much to work with. They're always complaining about me wasting all the oil, running my Porsche. Well they're wasting all the electricity in their "feel good but do nothing cars", that I could be using to run my air conditioner. Ed 300E On 7 July 2010 14:36, WILTON wrote: 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
WILTON wrote: Driver of the one with 4 "port holes" on each fender was little bald-headed guy 'bout 65. Probably bought a Pious to overcome latent guilt over driving an Electra 225 in his youth. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:36 -0400, "WILTON" wrote: > BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install > noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for > pedestrians. Maybe they should have a sound like a chorus of angels to underscore the "holier than thou" attitude of most of the owners. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
Driver of the one with 4 "port holes" on each fender was little bald-headed guy 'bout 65. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes I saw some sh**box the other day with $2000 worth of rims and tires, with *4* portholes on each front fender. I think it really attracted the wimmins, and all the homies thought the driver was fly, too, yo. Word. --R On 7/7/2010 2:36 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
Around here when the bikes hear a car approaching they bunch up in a pack and take up the whole lane. And just this summer I've seen three near-collisions cause by bicyclists blowing thru stop signs. There are jerks on both sides when it comes to bikes/cars sharing the road. The noise issue for electric cars has been long known; I'm surprised Toyota did not anticipate that in their design. They are hardly the first electric car to be designed, produced, sold, or driven. Allan On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:14 -0400, "Rich Thomas" wrote: > A group of us was cycling a couple weeks ago, a Pious on battery passed > us too closely (dumbass driver too, imagine that), and no one heard it. > It was sorta scary and surprising, this thing just materialized right > next to us, very close. It was kind of an Ohsh** moment for all of us. > Usually whoever is in the back of the pack hears a car and hollers so we > get over to the right as far as we can, with this thing if someone had > moved over a bit to dodge something on the road, we all probably would > have been knocked down and run over. I wonder if one could sue Toyota > for something like that, since they are being sued for everything else > now -- knowing that being so quiet is dangerous, yet they have done > nothing about it. > > I seem to recall that there was some harsh invective hurled at the > driver, along with certain hand gestures, not that it did any good. > > --R > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
A group of us was cycling a couple weeks ago, a Pious on battery passed us too closely (dumbass driver too, imagine that), and no one heard it. It was sorta scary and surprising, this thing just materialized right next to us, very close. It was kind of an Ohsh** moment for all of us. Usually whoever is in the back of the pack hears a car and hollers so we get over to the right as far as we can, with this thing if someone had moved over a bit to dodge something on the road, we all probably would have been knocked down and run over. I wonder if one could sue Toyota for something like that, since they are being sued for everything else now -- knowing that being so quiet is dangerous, yet they have done nothing about it. I seem to recall that there was some harsh invective hurled at the driver, along with certain hand gestures, not that it did any good. --R On 7/7/2010 3:55 PM, E M wrote: A Prius owner almost back into me while walking in a parking lot yesterday, and damn near ran me over. I really do try hard not to think of all Prius owners as idiots, but they're not giving me much to work with. They're always complaining about me wasting all the oil, running my Porsche. Well they're wasting all the electricity in their "feel good but do nothing cars", that I could be using to run my air conditioner. Ed 300E On 7 July 2010 14:36, WILTON wrote: 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
Prius sucks *ss! Those cars annoy me to no end. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2010, at 3:55 PM, E M wrote: A Prius owner almost back into me while walking in a parking lot yesterday, and damn near ran me over. I really do try hard not to think of all Prius owners as idiots, but they're not giving me much to work with. They're always complaining about me wasting all the oil, running my Porsche. Well they're wasting all the electricity in their "feel good but do nothing cars", that I could be using to run my air conditioner. Ed 300E On 7 July 2010 14:36, WILTON wrote: 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
I waiting for some dork to put portholes in the front fenders of a 911. Only a matter of time, someone will do it, and even worse, think it's cool. hee hee Like when a bunch of people used to put snows on the rears only, when FWD were making it onto the scene. Ed 300E On 7 July 2010 15:49, Rich Thomas wrote: > I saw some sh**box the other day with $2000 worth of rims and tires, with > *4* portholes on each front fender. I think it really attracted the > wimmins, and all the homies thought the driver was fly, too, yo. Word. > > --R > > On 7/7/2010 2:36 PM, WILTON wrote: > >> 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." >> >> BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise >> makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A >> clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< >> >> Wilton >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
A Prius owner almost back into me while walking in a parking lot yesterday, and damn near ran me over. I really do try hard not to think of all Prius owners as idiots, but they're not giving me much to work with. They're always complaining about me wasting all the oil, running my Porsche. Well they're wasting all the electricity in their "feel good but do nothing cars", that I could be using to run my air conditioner. Ed 300E On 7 July 2010 14:36, WILTON wrote: > 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." > > BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise > makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A > clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< > > Wilton > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
mallory sonalert's also work wonders... On Jul 7, 2010 3:44 PM, "WILTON" wrote: 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius port holes
I saw some sh**box the other day with $2000 worth of rims and tires, with *4* portholes on each front fender. I think it really attracted the wimmins, and all the homies thought the driver was fly, too, yo. Word. --R On 7/7/2010 2:36 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Prius port holes
'Just saw a Prius with 4 Buick "port holes." BTW, elec vehicle makers are scrambling to "find," build and install noise makers on their vehicles to improve low-speed safety for pedestrians. A clothes pin and a playing card worked pretty good on our bikes. ;< Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Prius brakes
> ...Makes me wonder why the brakes on a Pious could not stop the car -- > the > gas engine is not that powerful, but perhaps if regen braking is > generally used in addition to mechanical means and that did not kick in, > or maybe the pad brakes are wimpy?.. > You may be onto something here. Those cars are everywhere around here and are usually seen poking along holding up traffic (nowhere to go and all day to get there) so it's likely that 6 inch drum brakes all around would be adequate. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
