Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
The bit about air is what I was taught years ago so I wasn't too comfortable with what he said. I ended up putting a can of oil with 134 and some extra cooling thing. It only added 1 oz of each product so it took the edge off the vacuum and from there I went with the ES. Manfred Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 06:47:48 -0400 From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com I like this answer on Amazon better, if it's still sealed don't mess with it, if it got air in it pull a vacuum to get rid of the air. Air is not a refrigerant, at the very least it's an impediment to refrigerant flow: Q: Do you need to suck moisture out from the system? or to suck vacuum to check leak? The description said to Not pull vacuum? A: Only if you have a leak and your system is empty. Then you will need to pull a vacuum on it after you have repaired the leak. Other wise you can put a can of stop leak in it and then change it back to the normal amount needed. Hopes this answers your question. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
MG via Mercedes wrote: Mitch, it was a guy who answered the phone that is posted on this website. http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm Looks like a salesman, registered to the home of Randy Hill of Alpena, Michigan. It looks like this is Enviro-Safe Inc: http://www.es-refrigerants.com/resources/faq/w/id/11/details.asp I like this answer on Amazon better, if it's still sealed don't mess with it, if it got air in it pull a vacuum to get rid of the air. Air is not a refrigerant, at the very least it's an impediment to refrigerant flow: Q: Do you need to suck moisture out from the system? or to suck vacuum to check leak? The description said to Not pull vacuum? A: Only if you have a leak and your system is empty. Then you will need to pull a vacuum on it after you have repaired the leak. Other wise you can put a can of stop leak in it and then change it back to the normal amount needed. Hopes this answers your question. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes wrote: On 10/6/2014 8:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: (snip) In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12. I use an Harbor Freight R12 can tapper/hose with R134A gauge set, minus the removeable R134A couplers. My two Snap-On R12 manifolds sit in a box somewhere, 3 of the four gauges having lost their oil-filledness. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: G Mann: Frost this morning. You don't need any AC Save the money. 44 lb of propane/butane could make a nice weinie roast out of your bus. You can't put 44lb of propane/butane in a 44lb R12 system. More like 15lb, but that's about what some of the less honest folks fill a BBQ cylinder to these days. You can still make a pretty good fuel/air bomb out of 44lb of R12 when mixed with aerosol'd mineral oil. Found something I hadn't heard of before on Amazon yesterday, not ES but sounds like the same thing, except they claim it works with synthetic oil. If it was ES that told Manfred to fill an AC system with air, those idiots need to go out of business so they can quit telling people idiotic stuff (I'm hoping it was a reseller and not the people you get when you call the phone number on the can) Red-Tek on Amazon is more than twice what I paid for a can of R410a earlier this year, but affordable compared to R12. http://www.amazon.com/RED-TEK-Refrigerant-Cylinder-Equiv/dp/B00DJDYQFA You'd probably move more BTUs with 30-35lb of R406a than with 15lb of hydrocarbons. Looks like Autofrost is no more, the only R406a I found in 25lb cans was on alibaba, only $40k for 1140 30lb cans. If the stuff is still legal for sale, one could get rich moving a container of those for $150 each. Yikes, further searching tells me the Chinese are selling R410a as a R12 substitute and sometimes calling it R406a!!! R410a pressures are through the roof, you can't even replace R22 with it. If I needed 30 lb of R406a, I might be tempted to blend my own if the constituent parts are all readily available. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
but laughter is the best medicine! --R On 10/6/14 7:27 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Coughing? No no, laughter is what REALLY hurts recovering from that surgery. Been there twice, brother. First time was full deal, gave me a nice long zipper scar. Took a couple three days to feel safely mobile, then a week of gingerly limping around the house. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 6, 2014 4:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: (5 hours post-op and giving up all thoughts of suicide, except when I cough. Don't ever cough the same day you have hernia surgery) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: but laughter is the best medicine! Found out this morning that Max was right, laughter hurts much worse than coughing. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
just put it into the system after you let it fill to atmospheric pressure with air. No way. El stupido, just like leaving it with N2 in it. Feed into a vacuum, accept no substitutes! He also told me that it doesn't form acids if there is a bit of humidity in there with the air. Probably, yes. There is no chlorine/fluorine to peel off. But a used system may have residue in it that could go acidic in the presence of moisture. Keep the drier! You could also leave the 134 in and just add the Enviro-safe to bring it up to the needed output since Enviro-safe mixes with 134 or 12 without any problems. Yes, I believe you can 'top-off' with HC refrigerants, if you wish. Don't try to add enough to get rid of the bubbles. The sight glass is nearly useless with anything _except_ pure R12. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Mitch, it was a guy who answered the phone that is posted on this website. http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm Manfred Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 05:31:32 -0400 From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com If it was ES that told Manfred to fill an AC system with air, those idiots need to go out of business so they can quit telling people idiotic stuff (I'm hoping it was a reseller and not the people you get when you call the phone number on the can) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Original Message From: archer75--- via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Big snip global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is extremely stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so stable, it didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere (perhaps stratosphere?) where it's molecules were split into their base atoms and the chlorine contained within caused the destruction of the ozone. I'd be more than happy to provide footnotes to back these facts up, but I just don't feel like looking it up right now. How does this relate to Mercedes? Our older, beloved Mercedes use this ozone depleting aerosol as a refrigerant to keep us cool in the summer time and our windshields clear of fog in spring and fall. As R-12 becomes less and less available, an adequate substitute needed to be found. I believe that substitute to be Enviro Safe. It is essentially the Jim Cathey test blend, with a pine scent added to identify any leaks. It is flammable, however I think that the possibility of the car being incinerated like the Mercedes in the movie Arbitrage is slim. (mores Mercedes content) The R-134a that has been used in Mercedes for nearly two decades is set to be replaced, however independent testing by Daimler showed it to be flammable. http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/ http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1086548_mercedes-wins-french-court-ruling-in-r134a-refrigerant-case Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
It would be interesting to know what percentage of vehicles out there still have R12 systems. With the push to convert to R134a over the years as well as the relative ease to do so, I have to believe the total number of cars still using R12 has got to be a pretty small percentage of the total with AC. That being said, with my recent foray into AC on the S500, I found a lot of doom and gloom or overblown warnings against the use of propane based refrigerants. While there has got to be some danger due to flammability, I have to believe the risk is minimal due to the limited volume and the fairly narrow requirements to cause ignition. In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: archer75--- via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Big snip global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is extremely stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so stable, it didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere (perhaps stratosphere?) where it's molecules were split into their base atoms and the chlorine contained within caused the destruction of the ozone. I'd be more than happy to provide footnotes to back these facts up, but I just don't feel like looking it up right now. How does this relate to Mercedes? Our older, beloved Mercedes use this ozone depleting aerosol as a refrigerant to keep us cool in the summer time and our windshields clear of fog in spring and fall. As R-12 becomes less and less available, an adequate substitute needed to be found. I believe that substitute to be Enviro Safe. It is essentially the Jim Cathey test blend, with a pine scent added to identify any leaks. It is flammable, however I think that the possibility of the car being incinerated like the Mercedes in the movie Arbitrage is slim. (mores Mercedes content) The R-134a that has been used in Mercedes for nearly two decades is set to be replaced, however independent testing by Daimler showed it to be flammable. http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/ http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1086548_mercedes-wins-french-court-ruling-in-r134a-refrigerant-case Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Last week when I installed the new condenser in The White Whale (R-12 system converted by PO), I charged the system with just one can of R-134, and to my pleasant surprise that was enough pressure for the system to work and blow cool air. Temps here don't really require AC now, so I'll probably leave it alone until next summer. I've got a few cans of one of the hydrocarbon-based refrigerants, need to come up with a plan for installing that. Instructions say it should not be installed into a vacuum, so I need to figure out how this Enviro Safe should be installed. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
The hydrocarbon refrigerants work great and are perfectly safe. I just don't use them anymore because I have both an r12 and a r134 machine. I also have another r12 machine and a dual 12/134 machine I need to sell. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It would be interesting to know what percentage of vehicles out there still have R12 systems. With the push to convert to R134a over the years as well as the relative ease to do so, I have to believe the total number of cars still using R12 has got to be a pretty small percentage of the total with AC. That being said, with my recent foray into AC on the S500, I found a lot of doom and gloom or overblown warnings against the use of propane based refrigerants. While there has got to be some danger due to flammability, I have to believe the risk is minimal due to the limited volume and the fairly narrow requirements to cause ignition. In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: archer75--- via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Big snip global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is extremely stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so stable, it didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere (perhaps stratosphere?) where it's molecules were split into their base atoms and the chlorine contained within caused the destruction of the ozone. I'd be more than happy to provide footnotes to back these facts up, but I just don't feel like looking it up right now. How does this relate to Mercedes? Our older, beloved Mercedes use this ozone depleting aerosol as a refrigerant to keep us cool in the summer time and our windshields clear of fog in spring and fall. As R-12 becomes less and less available, an adequate substitute needed to be found. I believe that substitute to be Enviro Safe. It is essentially the Jim Cathey test blend, with a pine scent added to identify any leaks. It is flammable, however I think that the possibility of the car being incinerated like the Mercedes in the movie Arbitrage is slim. (mores Mercedes content) The R-134a that has been used in Mercedes for nearly two decades is set to be replaced, however independent testing by Daimler showed it to be flammable. http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/ http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1086548_mercedes-wins-french-court-ruling-in-r134a-refrigerant-case Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Kaleb, Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
There you go... global warming issues linked to Mercedes content... Well now.. First social comment . I believe recent studies of the ozone layer have shown the removal of R12 from use has had little effect on the ozone layer, if any. Leading to the likely conclusion that bad science was the cause of bad social engineering by government. End of personal comment; Mercedes content: I just purchased a new Mercedes [to me new] which uses R12. The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. It is a Mercedes built Setra bus, 40 ft long, curb weight 44,900 lbs. And no, it can not be converted to 134 easily. It is 1988 manufacture, so it even qualifies as an old Mercedes ... and no Gary.. I doubt you have parts for it.. but if you do.. contact me. I would be keenly interested in constructive experience with alternate and cheaper materials that preform as well as R12. [Custom motor coach, for those interested] Grant... On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 9:55 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Gerry wrote: I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes list. The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post a failure to deliver notice here in the hopes that some of the computer experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was blocked. The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes. Personally, I have a wait and see attitude toward global warming; especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have caused us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. (Mercedes content.) Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist. Peter wrote: This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda. You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the internet before you do due diligence. .. Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and am on an email list of many leading scientists who discuss the mis-information behind the climate hysteria, not the least of which is that the climate models are increasingly divergent from what is actually happening. From a posting on that list, -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Wasn't there some concern that the BBQ tank gas weren't dry enough for this kind of job? I'd presume a 42 lb system would have a pretty dammed significant dryer though. You want to talk chance of fire, I'm not sure how excited I'd be to drive around with 10+ gallons of high pressure hydrocarbons but R134a burns pretty good so I guess it can't be that big a deal... -Curt From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Current quotes on 42 lbs. of R12 are running in the $3000+ range.. so.. I like your comment of charging the system with nitrogen first. The vehicle came with a full set of huge AC vac pumps and filters to charge the system.. package deal. And yes, I did both a double take.. and a double check.. it really does hold 42 lbs.. Ouch... Go big or Go home.. hahah... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wasn't there some concern that the BBQ tank gas weren't dry enough for this kind of job? I'd presume a 42 lb system would have a pretty dammed significant dryer though. You want to talk chance of fire, I'm not sure how excited I'd be to drive around with 10+ gallons of high pressure hydrocarbons but R134a burns pretty good so I guess it can't be that big a deal... -Curt From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :) Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :) Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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So enquiring minds what to know, how big an engine? I'm going to guess 10l diesel pusher. Pictures, the snowmobile guys always say Indy loves pics! -Curt From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :) Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That's what I would figure. It's all in the lines just to traverse the coach. That's a lot of volume. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :) Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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pics of the beast plzz -- On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 Original Message From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:54 AM To: Mercedes Reply To: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of the compressor getting a slug of liquid refrigerant. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:41:22 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of the compressor getting a slug of liquid refrigerant. Could one not add (part of) a can to a system with a hard (well, as hard as you can get on an A/C system) vacuum with the engine off? That way when starting the engine and the A/C compressor, it wouldn't be a vacuum, but no air and moisture would have been introduced into the system. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Original Message From: Craig via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Craig Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:41:22 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of the compressor getting a slug of liquid refrigerant. Could one not add (part of) a can to a system with a hard (well, as hard as you can get on an A/C system) vacuum with the engine off? That way when starting the engine and the A/C compressor, it wouldn't be a vacuum, but no air and moisture would have been introduced into the system. I would assume so. I will ask the guy at Enviro-Safe via email this evening. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Ok! Never mind my other email. Sounds like one should first pressurize the system with dry nitrogen to test for leaks, bleed that off, then fill with ES. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 6, 2014 1:41 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 Original Message From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:54 AM To: Mercedes Reply To: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of the compressor getting a slug of liquid refrigerant. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 10/6/2014 8:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: (snip) In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12. It is my understanding that one doesn't need a gauge set in this situation. Aren't there bubbles showing in the sight glass if the system is low? Adding refrigerant (with the compressor running) until the bubbles go away restores cooling. Or at least that is the way I always did it. I think. It's been a long time. I'd go through and tighten all the connections first. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Hunters dream of woods and beasts, judges of cases, and runners of races. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Coughing? No no, laughter is what REALLY hurts recovering from that surgery. Been there twice, brother. First time was full deal, gave me a nice long zipper scar. Took a couple three days to feel safely mobile, then a week of gingerly limping around the house. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 6, 2014 4:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: (5 hours post-op and giving up all thoughts of suicide, except when I cough. Don't ever cough the same day you have hernia surgery) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I called and talked with the guy about that a couple of weeks ago. He said to just put it into the system after you let it fill to atmospheric pressure with air. He also told me that it doesn't form acids if there is a bit of humidity in there with the air. You could also leave the 134 in and just add the Enviro-safe to bring it up to the needed output since Enviro-safe mixes with 134 or 12 without any problems. Don't try to add enough to get rid of the bubbles. You will probably need only one more can of the Enviro-safe to bring the system up to what it needs. The low side should be under 30lbs. Manfred Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 08:40:02 -0400 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Last week when I installed the new condenser in The White Whale (R-12 system converted by PO), I charged the system with just one can of R-134, and to my pleasant surprise that was enough pressure for the system to work and blow cool air. Temps here don't really require AC now, so I'll probably leave it alone until next summer. I've got a few cans of one of the hydrocarbon-based refrigerants, need to come up with a plan for installing that. Instructions say it should not be installed into a vacuum, so I need to figure out how this Enviro Safe should be installed. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Hmm. Good point. All I would need is a can tap and a hose... I could probably find a set for cheap locally or on eBay... Thanks! Dan On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:11 PM, David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 10/6/2014 8:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: (snip) In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12. It is my understanding that one doesn't need a gauge set in this situation. Aren't there bubbles showing in the sight glass if the system is low? Adding refrigerant (with the compressor running) until the bubbles go away restores cooling. Or at least that is the way I always did it. I think. It's been a long time. I'd go through and tighten all the connections first. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Hunters dream of woods and beasts, judges of cases, and runners of races. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Correct.. Diesel [of course] 450 HP [new], Allison B500 automatic [new], with braking retarder, air ride suspension with 3 ride height adjustments... diesel fired engine and coach preheat [Webastco] ...3 axle coach.. steerable tag axle. On board TV and sound systems [more than one] .. Huge AC system... 8 ea new 12Rx22.5 tires.. air brakes [new] etc etc etc.. Picture, as discovered.. with dust..where it has been setting for 6 yrs after owners heart attack. if it will clear this system.. And of course, no project this size would be complete without a picture of the budget planning room. [sarcastic humor content, of course] Respectfully.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: pics of the beast plzz -- On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Setra Motor Coach.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36942 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/83cc6a0a/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Room full of Money.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18532 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/83cc6a0a/attachment-0001.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
I am advised the post with picture is waiting for moderator approval.. Please stand by... or not.. Tyvm.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Correct.. Diesel [of course] 450 HP [new], Allison B500 automatic [new], with braking retarder, air ride suspension with 3 ride height adjustments... diesel fired engine and coach preheat [Webastco] ...3 axle coach.. steerable tag axle. On board TV and sound systems [more than one] .. Huge AC system... 8 ea new 12Rx22.5 tires.. air brakes [new] etc etc etc.. Picture, as discovered.. with dust..where it has been setting for 6 yrs after owners heart attack. if it will clear this system.. And of course, no project this size would be complete without a picture of the budget planning room. [sarcastic humor content, of course] Respectfully.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: pics of the beast plzz -- On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Setra Motor Coach.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36942 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/afd3edd7/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Room full of Money.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18532 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/afd3edd7/attachment-0001.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
You just replied to it. The links are at the bottom. And man, is that thing a beast! I like the money room. I need to gets me one of those Dan On Oct 6, 2014, at 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am advised the post with picture is waiting for moderator approval.. Please stand by... or not.. Tyvm.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Correct.. Diesel [of course] 450 HP [new], Allison B500 automatic [new], with braking retarder, air ride suspension with 3 ride height adjustments... diesel fired engine and coach preheat [Webastco] ...3 axle coach.. steerable tag axle. On board TV and sound systems [more than one] .. Huge AC system... 8 ea new 12Rx22.5 tires.. air brakes [new] etc etc etc.. Picture, as discovered.. with dust..where it has been setting for 6 yrs after owners heart attack. if it will clear this system.. And of course, no project this size would be complete without a picture of the budget planning room. [sarcastic humor content, of course] Respectfully.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: pics of the beast plzz -- On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Setra Motor Coach.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36942 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/afd3edd7/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Room full of Money.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18532 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/afd3edd7/attachment-0001.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 06:40:06 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is extremely stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so stable, it didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere (perhaps stratosphere?) where it's molecules were split into their base atoms and the chlorine contained within caused the destruction of the ozone. I'd be more than happy to provide footnotes to back these facts up, but I just don't feel like looking it up right now. Those are the facts as I heard them in graduate school. However, The average molecular weight of our atmosphere is 28.97. [1] The molecular weight of hydrochloric acid is 36.46. [2] The molecular weight of chlorine gas 70.90 The molecular weight of R-12 (CCl2F2) is 120.91. The heavier the gas, the more likely it will be closer to the earth. The folks who had R-12 removed forgot about the antarctic volcano that is spewing hydrochloric acid as well as the fact that during the antarctic winter, there is no ionizing radiation from the sun to make ozone. Craig 1. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/molecular-mass-air-d_679.html 2. From Los Alamos National Laboratory Chemistry Division Periodic Table of the Elements Hydrogen1.008 g/mol Carbon 12.01 g/mol Fluorine 19.00 g/mol Chlorine 35.45 g/mol ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
G Mann: Frost this morning. You don't need any AC Save the money. 44 lb of propane/butane could make a nice weinie roast out of your bus. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Gerry wrote: I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes list. The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post a failure to deliver notice here in the hopes that some of the computer experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was blocked. The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes. Personally, I have a wait and see attitude toward global warming; especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have caused us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. (Mercedes content.) Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist. Peter wrote: This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda. You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the internet before you do due diligence. .. Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and am on an email list of many leading scientists who discuss the mis-information behind the climate hysteria, not the least of which is that the climate models are increasingly divergent from what is actually happening. From a posting on that list, -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
