Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: The 4 is a185hp though which is staggering for the displacement. It's a 2.2, makes the same HP as a 1985 2.3-16 (euro) or a 1992 Olds Achieva SCX (2.3L Quad 4). I thought a 944 had staggering output in the 1990s, but IIRC it was a pretty big 4 cylinder. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: There was an article about it in our last AAA magazine. I think he said there only is a 4cyl version. Just checked and yup, no 6cyl offered.The 4 is a185hp though which is staggering for the displacement. Let her drive it, TELL her its a 6cyl and she'll never know... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles I would love for her to have a four cylinder model, but there's no way she would go for it. She's absolute about having a six cylinder. Lost that battle when we bought this one Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Original Message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles Wifey's car is a 2005 Mazda 6 Sport. We will probably buy another Mazda 6, as she likes the car and the current one has been good. The Ticker Guy Karl Denninger likes his new one. A lot. http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3352319 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3354043 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3370175 Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
185HP ought to satisfy anybody. A TBI late '80s GM V8 only made 150ish. It'll be all up high but the car should be geared to take advantage of it. Tell her that F1 cars regularly spin their engines MUCH faster.Explain that she's been brainwashed to want a v6... Or just don't buy a Mazda 6. :) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Her parents brainwashed her years ago that a six is a minimum for safety purposes, e.g., trying to pull out into traffic in a hurry. There's no use in trying to explain otherwise, although if their four cylinder mill will make the car stand up on its hind legs, she would probably be satisfied. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 185HP ought to satisfy anybody. A TBI late '80s GM V8 only made 150ish. It'll be all up high but the car should be geared to take advantage of it. Tell her that F1 cars regularly spin their engines MUCH faster. Explain that she's been brainwashed to want a v6... Or just don't buy a Mazda 6. :) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I was not trying to suggest our car was indicative of all Mazdas, just that this has been our experience based on where the car has been located. I've never looked at information on any of the Mazda forums regarding rust. I'll check it out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:11 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not knowledgable on the Mazda makes, models, years but it has been my observation that Mazda 3 and 6 models made in the 2000s are quite rust prone. Perhaps less than three years salt exposure not enough? Perhaps your model year was not affected? This is just a general observation on my part. Also if you do a web search on Mazda rust you will see that my observation has some factual basis. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just as a data point, our 2005 Mazda 6 spent almost three years in the Midwest, and was exposed to the typical snow, sand and road salt. Other than some superficial surface rust on the undercarriage, there is no evidence of rust on any of the body panels that I've seen. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:35 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mazda a is not a good match for New England winters based on my observation of significant rust in 4-8 year old cars. Check out rear quarter panel areas. Not good. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Now I'm tempted to go try one. One of my favorite rental cars was a Mazda 6 although that probably had more to do with where I was and the roads I was traveling. Nova Scotia is beautiful country when the weather is nice and miserable when it isn't. If the car guy in our AAA mag thought it was enough power she will too. He regularly poo-poos cars that have plenty of power as being pokey. I don't consider anything that does 0-60 in less than 10 seconds pokey. http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda6/2014/road-test1.html suggests 7.6 seconds which is pretty dammed fast. Minimum for safety purposes? Thats the lamest thing I've ever heard. You should get her a 240D and listen to her howl! Angie calls my Jetta zippy and its only got 90hp. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles Her parents brainwashed her years ago that a six is a minimum for safety purposes, e.g., trying to pull out into traffic in a hurry. There's no use in trying to explain otherwise, although if their four cylinder mill will make the car stand up on its hind legs, she would probably be satisfied. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 185HP ought to satisfy anybody. A TBI late '80s GM V8 only made 150ish. It'll be all up high but the car should be geared to take advantage of it. Tell her that F1 cars regularly spin their engines MUCH faster. Explain that she's been brainwashed to want a v6... Or just don't buy a Mazda 6. :) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
Just as a data point, our 2005 Mazda 6 spent almost three years in the Midwest, and was exposed to the typical snow, sand and road salt. Other than some superficial surface rust on the undercarriage, there is no evidence of rust on any of the body panels that I've seen. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:35 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mazda a is not a good match for New England winters based on my observation of significant rust in 4-8 year old cars. Check out rear quarter panel areas. Not good. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
I'm not knowledgable on the Mazda makes, models, years but it has been my observation that Mazda 3 and 6 models made in the 2000s are quite rust prone. Perhaps less than three years salt exposure not enough? Perhaps your model year was not affected? This is just a general observation on my part. Also if you do a web search on Mazda rust you will see that my observation has some factual basis. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just as a data point, our 2005 Mazda 6 spent almost three years in the Midwest, and was exposed to the typical snow, sand and road salt. Other than some superficial surface rust on the undercarriage, there is no evidence of rust on any of the body panels that I've seen. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:35 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mazda a is not a good match for New England winters based on my observation of significant rust in 4-8 year old cars. Check out rear quarter panel areas. Not good. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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185HP ought to satisfy anybody. Our 450 SL (V8) had around 160 HP. My 200D has around 60HP, maybe, and it is surprisingly drivable. It will make it to freeway speed by the end of our (old, short) onramp. Not so the poor, pathetic 240D automatic we once had, which took a mile or so more to get there. Honestly I think anything above 90HP or so is all that is _necessary_ for safe driving. (Actually, the torque associated with 90HP. Diesels can get away with less HP because they tend to have more torque anyway.) This assuming the car is designed well, of course. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I think the 1.8 turbo VW Audi engine is phenomenal. I drove a friends old Audi A4 and it was really, really fast. No need for a six cylinder nowadays. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 08/01/2015 7:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sounds like my wife. She has a 4 cylinder Honda Accord and wishes it was the V6. I can tell you that little Honda moves and she has a lead foot. She does not need the 6. About the only advantage might be a smoother idle when stopped at a light with the AC on. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yeah, if the AC dogged it down that would be a major problem. The AC is pretty much permanently on in her car...today would be one of the few exceptions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 08/01/2015 7:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sounds like my wife. She has a 4 cylinder Honda Accord and wishes it was the V6. I can tell you that little Honda moves and she has a lead foot. She does not need the 6. About the only advantage might be a smoother idle when stopped at a light with the AC on. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mazda a is not a good match for New England winters based on my observation of significant rust in 4-8 year old cars. Check out rear quarter panel areas. Not good. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Now I'm tempted to go try one. One of my favorite rental cars was a Mazda 6 although that probably had more to do with where I was and the roads I was traveling. Nova Scotia is beautiful country when the weather is nice and miserable when it isn't. If the car guy in our AAA mag thought it was enough power she will too. He regularly poo-poos cars that have plenty of power as being pokey. I don't consider anything that does 0-60 in less than 10 seconds pokey. http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda6/2014/road-test1.html suggests 7.6 seconds which is pretty dammed fast. Minimum for safety purposes? Thats the lamest thing I've ever heard. You should get her a 240D and listen to her howl! Angie calls my Jetta zippy and its only got 90hp. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles Her parents brainwashed her years ago that a six is a minimum for safety purposes, e.g., trying to pull out into traffic in a hurry. There's no use in trying to explain otherwise, although if their four cylinder mill will make the car stand up on its hind legs, she would probably be satisfied. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 185HP ought to satisfy anybody. A TBI late '80s GM V8 only made 150ish. It'll be all up high but the car should be geared to take advantage of it. Tell her that F1 cars regularly spin their engines MUCH faster. Explain that she's been brainwashed to want a v6... Or just don't buy a Mazda 6. :) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 08/01/2015 7:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sounds like my wife. She has a 4 cylinder Honda Accord and wishes it was the V6. I can tell you that little Honda moves and she has a lead foot. She does not need the 6. About the only advantage might be a smoother idle when stopped at a light with the AC on. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I agree if you want to source cruise control amplifiers nearby wherever you go then driving 30 year old iron seems oddly optimistic. Go buy a late model Camry, Accord or maybe a Hyundai. On Jan 5, 2015 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nothing wrong with used Mercedes parts - just buy two at a time. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The bottom line on running older vehicles, whether MB or not, is that you cannot count on parts after about 10 years. Sometimes it is difficult to get parts for new vehicles too as there is little need and thus little production and no stock on hand. If you want to be certain you can get parts, then I suggest you need to always drive a car between about 3 years old and 10 years old and very common on the streets. You also need to be wary of oddball vehicles. I am always amazed at the ads that offer rare vehicles. Rare is the last thing I want in a vehicle. I want the most common thing out there with parts all over the place. Unfortunately, that is sometime hard to predict. For example, my brother-in-law is a mechanic and he commented on the difficulty getting parts for a Ford Ranger truck. A fuel line part was not available. The part had only been used for 1 or maybe 2 years and then Ford changed the whole thing. They were finally able to get something made up by a shop that makes hydraulic hoses but it proved to be difficult and time consuming as they looked far and wide for new, oem, aftermarket, and then for used before giving up and looking for someone to make something. In the interim the truck was not usable as it leaked badly. Another Ford example related to an ABS brake part in a Lincoln Mark ??. The car was not all that old and looked beautiful but had issues with the brakes and no parts were available. Again, something that was only used 1 year or maybe 2 and was thus, pretty rare. I know the owner but I don't recall what the ultimate resolution was. I think they maybe found a used one and once repaired, he swapped cars and got out of it. Not picking on Ford as I am a fan of Fords. These are just examples of issues that are all too common. So the fact that all parts are not readily available for a MB that is 35+ years old should not surprise anyone. If you cannot live with that possibility, then you need to move on and buy a 2 year old Camry and swap again within 5 years. They you will be fairly well assured that your car will be reliable and parts will be available. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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G: What they said; which is why I bought a Prius. An owner on a Prius list has a 2001 model. He has no problem getting parts. However, I'm keeping my two 123's since the prices keep going up. Karl Wittnebel wrote: I agree if you want to source cruise control amplifiers nearby wherever you go then driving 30 year old iron seems oddly optimistic. Go buy a late model Camry, Accord or maybe a Hyundai. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The bottom line on running older vehicles, whether MB or not, is that you cannot count on parts after about 10 years. Sometimes it is difficult to get parts for new vehicles too as there is little need and thus little production and no stock on hand. If you want to be certain you can get parts, then I suggest you need to always drive a car between about 3 years old and 10 years old and very common on the streets. You also need to be wary of oddball vehicles. I am always amazed at the ads that offer rare vehicles. Rare is the last thing I want in a vehicle. I want the most common thing out there with parts all over the place. Unfortunately, that is sometime hard to predict. For example, my brother-in-law is a mechanic and he commented on the difficulty getting parts for a Ford Ranger truck. A fuel line part was not available. The part had only been used for 1 or maybe 2 years and then Ford changed the whole thing. They were finally able to get something made up by a shop that makes hydraulic hoses but it proved to be difficult and time consuming as they looked far and wide for new, oem, aftermarket, and then for used before giving up and looking for someone to make something. In the interim the truck was not usable as it leaked badly. Another Ford example related to an ABS brake part in a Lincoln Mark ??. The car was not all that old and looked beautiful but had issues with the brakes and no parts were available. Again, something that was only used 1 year or maybe 2 and was thus, pretty rare. I know the owner but I don't recall what the ultimate resolution was. I think they maybe found a used one and once repaired, he swapped cars and got out of it. Not picking on Ford as I am a fan of Fords. These are just examples of issues that are all too common. So the fact that all parts are not readily available for a MB that is 35+ years old should not surprise anyone. If you cannot live with that possibility, then you need to move on and buy a 2 year old Camry and swap again within 5 years. They you will be fairly well assured that your car will be reliable and parts will be available. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Original Message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles Wifey's car is a 2005 Mazda 6 Sport. We will probably buy another Mazda 6, as she likes the car and the current one has been good. The Ticker Guy Karl Denninger likes his new one. A lot. http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3352319 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3354043 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3370175 Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I would love for her to have a four cylinder model, but there's no way she would go for it. She's absolute about having a six cylinder. Lost that battle when we bought this one Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Original Message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles Wifey's car is a 2005 Mazda 6 Sport. We will probably buy another Mazda 6, as she likes the car and the current one has been good. The Ticker Guy Karl Denninger likes his new one. A lot. http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3352319 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3354043 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3370175 Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yup never a Toyota. They avoid initiating recalls like the plague. A very dishonest company in my opinion. There is no way I would ever support them. And I'd rather take a bullet in the head over buying a Priapism. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd have a Korean car before a Toyota or Honda. You look at who fights recalls and who doesn't. Actually my top five favorite rental cars go from most favorite down:#1. Mazda 6 - would have been a 2004 or 2005, had it in Halifax, NS. Fun car in a fun place to drive#2. Hyundai Elantra - 2009ish - fun little car weighted down slightly by the Microsoft entertainment system#3. Nissan Altima - everything I liked about the Mazda almost.#4. Dodge Challenger - mine had a v6 and highway gears but it was comfortable and fun to thrash through the Angeles National Forest#5. Kia Soul - this one shocked me but I have had 2 of them now, they're spacious, zippy, have good sight lines, easy to park, easy to reverse and well designed ergonomically. Least favorite was the Dodge PT Cruiser, what a crappy little car. Close runner up is the boring as sin Camry. I actually lost one in a parking lot. Couldn't be bothered to remember what it looked like. -Curt From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz com mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles I agree if you want to source cruise control amplifiers nearby wherever you go then driving 30 year old iron seems oddly optimistic. Go buy a late model Camry, Accord or maybe a Hyundai. On Jan 5, 2015 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nothing wrong with used Mercedes parts - just buy two at a time. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The bottom line on running older vehicles, whether MB or not, is that you cannot count on parts after about 10 years. Sometimes it is difficult to get parts for new vehicles too as there is little need and thus little production and no stock on hand. If you want to be certain you can get parts, then I suggest you need to always drive a car between about 3 years old and 10 years old and very common on the streets. You also need to be wary of oddball vehicles. I am always amazed at the ads that offer rare vehicles. Rare is the last thing I want in a vehicle. I want the most common thing out there with parts all over the place. Unfortunately, that is sometime hard to predict. For example, my brother-in-law is a mechanic and he commented on the difficulty getting parts for a Ford Ranger truck. A fuel line part was not available. The part had only been used for 1 or maybe 2 years and then Ford changed the whole thing. They were finally able to get something made up by a shop that makes hydraulic hoses but it proved to be difficult and time consuming as they looked far and wide for new, oem, aftermarket, and then for used before giving up and looking for someone to make something. In the interim the truck was not usable as it leaked badly. Another Ford example related to an ABS brake part in a Lincoln Mark ??. The car was not all that old and looked beautiful but had issues with the brakes and no parts were available. Again, something that was only used 1 year or maybe 2 and was thus, pretty rare. I know the owner but I don't recall what the ultimate resolution was. I think they maybe found a used one and once repaired, he swapped cars and got out of it. Not picking on Ford as I am a fan of Fords. These are just examples of issues that are all too common. So the fact that all parts are not readily available for a MB that is 35+ years old should not surprise anyone. If you cannot live with that possibility, then you need to move on and buy a 2 year old Camry and swap again within 5 years. They you will be fairly well assured that your car will be reliable and parts will be available. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content
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I concur. I rented one of those things at BNA once, got to the end of the garage and the RF CV joint started clacking and screeching, the thing had 1400 miles on it. I turned around and took it back, told the kid the RF drive wheel was likely to fail any time, probably would not be a good idea to keep it in the rotation. He was a sorta dumb farm kid but got the idea right away, I guess he knew something about mosheenery. So they gave me another one, which road like a log wagon and the seats were less comfortable. It was buzzy and noisy. All in all a total POS. I hated it. The rental agency would have been doing better with a fleet of old 123s. Speaking of which, there was an outfit around for awhile called Rent-a-Wreck that rented older cars for fairly cheap, maybe it was just in Houston or somewhere, but I thought that was a great idea. --R On 1/7/15 9:37 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Least favorite was the Dodge PT Cruiser, what a crappy little car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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There was an article about it in our last AAA magazine. I think he said there only is a 4cyl version. Just checked and yup, no 6cyl offered.The 4 is a185hp though which is staggering for the displacement. Let her drive it, TELL her its a 6cyl and she'll never know... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles I would love for her to have a four cylinder model, but there's no way she would go for it. She's absolute about having a six cylinder. Lost that battle when we bought this one Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Original Message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles Wifey's car is a 2005 Mazda 6 Sport. We will probably buy another Mazda 6, as she likes the car and the current one has been good. The Ticker Guy Karl Denninger likes his new one. A lot. http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3352319 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3354043 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3370175 Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I'd have a Korean car before a Toyota or Honda. You look at who fights recalls and who doesn't. Actually my top five favorite rental cars go from most favorite down:#1. Mazda 6 - would have been a 2004 or 2005, had it in Halifax, NS. Fun car in a fun place to drive#2. Hyundai Elantra - 2009ish - fun little car weighted down slightly by the Microsoft entertainment system#3. Nissan Altima - everything I liked about the Mazda almost.#4. Dodge Challenger - mine had a v6 and highway gears but it was comfortable and fun to thrash through the Angeles National Forest#5. Kia Soul - this one shocked me but I have had 2 of them now, they're spacious, zippy, have good sight lines, easy to park, easy to reverse and well designed ergonomically. Least favorite was the Dodge PT Cruiser, what a crappy little car. Close runner up is the boring as sin Camry. I actually lost one in a parking lot. Couldn't be bothered to remember what it looked like. -Curt From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz com mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles I agree if you want to source cruise control amplifiers nearby wherever you go then driving 30 year old iron seems oddly optimistic. Go buy a late model Camry, Accord or maybe a Hyundai. On Jan 5, 2015 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nothing wrong with used Mercedes parts - just buy two at a time. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The bottom line on running older vehicles, whether MB or not, is that you cannot count on parts after about 10 years. Sometimes it is difficult to get parts for new vehicles too as there is little need and thus little production and no stock on hand. If you want to be certain you can get parts, then I suggest you need to always drive a car between about 3 years old and 10 years old and very common on the streets. You also need to be wary of oddball vehicles. I am always amazed at the ads that offer rare vehicles. Rare is the last thing I want in a vehicle. I want the most common thing out there with parts all over the place. Unfortunately, that is sometime hard to predict. For example, my brother-in-law is a mechanic and he commented on the difficulty getting parts for a Ford Ranger truck. A fuel line part was not available. The part had only been used for 1 or maybe 2 years and then Ford changed the whole thing. They were finally able to get something made up by a shop that makes hydraulic hoses but it proved to be difficult and time consuming as they looked far and wide for new, oem, aftermarket, and then for used before giving up and looking for someone to make something. In the interim the truck was not usable as it leaked badly. Another Ford example related to an ABS brake part in a Lincoln Mark ??. The car was not all that old and looked beautiful but had issues with the brakes and no parts were available. Again, something that was only used 1 year or maybe 2 and was thus, pretty rare. I know the owner but I don't recall what the ultimate resolution was. I think they maybe found a used one and once repaired, he swapped cars and got out of it. Not picking on Ford as I am a fan of Fords. These are just examples of issues that are all too common. So the fact that all parts are not readily available for a MB that is 35+ years old should not surprise anyone. If you cannot live with that possibility, then you need to move on and buy a 2 year old Camry and swap again within 5 years. They you will be fairly well assured that your car will be reliable and parts will be available. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result
[MBZ] Running Older vehicles
The bottom line on running older vehicles, whether MB or not, is that you cannot count on parts after about 10 years. Sometimes it is difficult to get parts for new vehicles too as there is little need and thus little production and no stock on hand. If you want to be certain you can get parts, then I suggest you need to always drive a car between about 3 years old and 10 years old and very common on the streets. You also need to be wary of oddball vehicles. I am always amazed at the ads that offer rare vehicles. Rare is the last thing I want in a vehicle. I want the most common thing out there with parts all over the place. Unfortunately, that is sometime hard to predict. For example, my brother-in-law is a mechanic and he commented on the difficulty getting parts for a Ford Ranger truck. A fuel line part was not available. The part had only been used for 1 or maybe 2 years and then Ford changed the whole thing. They were finally able to get something made up by a shop that makes hydraulic hoses but it proved to be difficult and time consuming as they looked far and wide for new, oem, aftermarket, and then for used before giving up and looking for someone to make something. In the interim the truck was not usable as it leaked badly. Another Ford example related to an ABS brake part in a Lincoln Mark ??. The car was not all that old and looked beautiful but had issues with the brakes and no parts were available. Again, something that was only used 1 year or maybe 2 and was thus, pretty rare. I know the owner but I don't recall what the ultimate resolution was. I think they maybe found a used one and once repaired, he swapped cars and got out of it. Not picking on Ford as I am a fan of Fords. These are just examples of issues that are all too common. So the fact that all parts are not readily available for a MB that is 35+ years old should not surprise anyone. If you cannot live with that possibility, then you need to move on and buy a 2 year old Camry and swap again within 5 years. They you will be fairly well assured that your car will be reliable and parts will be available. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
Nothing wrong with used Mercedes parts - just buy two at a time. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The bottom line on running older vehicles, whether MB or not, is that you cannot count on parts after about 10 years. Sometimes it is difficult to get parts for new vehicles too as there is little need and thus little production and no stock on hand. If you want to be certain you can get parts, then I suggest you need to always drive a car between about 3 years old and 10 years old and very common on the streets. You also need to be wary of oddball vehicles. I am always amazed at the ads that offer rare vehicles. Rare is the last thing I want in a vehicle. I want the most common thing out there with parts all over the place. Unfortunately, that is sometime hard to predict. For example, my brother-in-law is a mechanic and he commented on the difficulty getting parts for a Ford Ranger truck. A fuel line part was not available. The part had only been used for 1 or maybe 2 years and then Ford changed the whole thing. They were finally able to get something made up by a shop that makes hydraulic hoses but it proved to be difficult and time consuming as they looked far and wide for new, oem, aftermarket, and then for used before giving up and looking for someone to make something. In the interim the truck was not usable as it leaked badly. Another Ford example related to an ABS brake part in a Lincoln Mark ??. The car was not all that old and looked beautiful but had issues with the brakes and no parts were available. Again, something that was only used 1 year or maybe 2 and was thus, pretty rare. I know the owner but I don't recall what the ultimate resolution was. I think they maybe found a used one and once repaired, he swapped cars and got out of it. Not picking on Ford as I am a fan of Fords. These are just examples of issues that are all too common. So the fact that all parts are not readily available for a MB that is 35+ years old should not surprise anyone. If you cannot live with that possibility, then you need to move on and buy a 2 year old Camry and swap again within 5 years. They you will be fairly well assured that your car will be reliable and parts will be available. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
