[MBZ] SDL won't move
I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (170 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
I will give you $500 for it. Will it rev up if you give it fuel? If not, the little plastic linkage on the side of the IP popped off Luther - laptop wrote: > I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the > speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a > stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I > added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There > was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of > loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I will give you $500 for it. > > Will it rev up if you give it fuel? If not, the little plastic linkage > on the side of the IP popped off > > Luther - laptop wrote: >> I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the >> speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a >> stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I >> added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There >> was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of >> loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? >> > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
So, why would the tach drop to zero if the engine was still running, and the speedo go to zero if you were still moving? Sounds electrical to me. Is the cruise control still thinking you need to be stopped? Un-plug the CC amp --- ? On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
You have a blown fuse, I think, that's why the tach and speedo quit (both are electrical). Also, you have have a dead OVP. However, the transmission is completely mechanical, and if the engine is actually running (I assume it is and that the tach just quit), you have lost the pump in the tranny or something equally serious. If the engine quit and won't start, you have something else going on. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
The tach works like normal...throttle response is normal. When the speedo dropped to zero, the tach dropped to idle. The problem seems mechanicalhow else would the tranny not go into any gear? Luther, dreading a trans rebuild -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So, why would the tach drop to zero if the engine was still running, > and the speedo go to zero if you were still moving? Sounds electrical > to me. Is the cruise control still thinking you need to be stopped? > Un-plug the CC amp --- ? > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. >> > > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." > -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain > '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
If something (pump/clutch band/etc) went in the transmission, wouldn't the engine have raced/flared instead of just dropping from 3000rpm to idle? The tach/engine dropped to 700rpm the same instant the speedo dropped to zero. The tach responds to throttle activity just like normal. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You have a blown fuse, I think, that's why the tach and speedo quit > (both are electrical). Also, you have have a dead OVP. > > However, the transmission is completely mechanical, and if the engine > is actually running (I assume it is and that the tach just quit), you > have lost the pump in the tranny or something equally serious. > > If the engine quit and won't start, you have something else going on. > > Peter > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Luther wrote: > > If something (pump/clutch band/etc) went in the transmission, wouldn't the > engine have raced/flared instead of just dropping from 3000rpm to idle? Were you driving on the cruise control? Perhaps the drivetrain disengaged, like a blown flex disk or diff disentigration (seems like that would be awful noisy though) and that made the cruise disengage. Seems like if you shifted into neutral at speed, the cruise would kick off but the speedo would keep working, so I think the mechanical problem is between the speedo drive gear on the tailshaft and the wheels. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Well the speedo gets it's speed from a cable attached to the back of the gearbox, not sure about the tacho but the gut feeling is that something is broke in the box but it may not be. Hendrik Peter Frederick wrote: > You have a blown fuse, I think, that's why the tach and speedo quit > (both are electrical). Also, you have have a dead OVP. > > However, the transmission is completely mechanical, and if the engine > is actually running (I assume it is and that the tach just quit), you > have lost the pump in the tranny or something equally serious. > > If the engine quit and won't start, you have something else going on. > > Peter > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
You must have lifted your foot -- the engine will race otherwise. If you were coasting, it might have dropped, but with the CC it should have raced the engine. The speedometer dropping to zero might indicate that the drive gear failed, but it should keep reading if the driveline is turning as the car rolled, unless you sheared a flex disk or snapped a pinion gear. You need to examine the driveline for damage, and check to make sure the bolts that hold the torque convertor to the flywheel are intact (although they usually make a racket when they break off). Check the shifter bushings and link to make sure it didn't fall off (it happens) leaving the shift lever unconnected to the transmission. Otherwise, the most likely thing is a sheared pump drive. No pump, no pressure, no pressure no clutch engagement, it's in neutral and will stay there. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
In a message dated 4/1/2008 7:35:16 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems like if you shifted into neutral at speed, the cruise would kick off but the speedo would keep working, so I think the mechanical problem is between the speedo drive gear on the tailshaft and the wheels. Yup, this is a cunundrum! On an 87, how is the speedo driven? I was going to suggest the torque converter to flywheel bolts were gone and the engine is no longer driving the transmission. Now it may be that one of the driveshaft flex couplings has become uncoupled. But then wouldn't the engine and trans drive the speedo, even if the car didn't move? Geeez! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 155 K miles **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
ohhh, you got other bigger problems then. Will it go in reverse? Luther wrote: > It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
> You must have lifted your foot -- the engine will race otherwise. If > you were coasting, it might have dropped, but with the CC it should > have raced the engine. > > The speedometer dropping to zero might indicate that the drive gear > failed, but it should keep reading if the driveline is turning as the > car rolled, unless you sheared a flex disk or snapped a pinion gear. > > You need to examine the driveline for damage, and check to make sure > the bolts that hold the torque convertor to the flywheel are intact > (although they usually make a racket when they break off). Check the > shifter bushings and link to make sure it didn't fall off (it > happens) leaving the shift lever unconnected to the transmission. > > Otherwise, the most likely thing is a sheared pump drive. No pump, no > pressure, no pressure no clutch engagement, it's in neutral and will > stay there. > > Peter Peter- I was thinking along the same lines. But this car has a second pump at the rear, so there would still be pressure to operate the transmission although if the torque converter bolt went theres no power to transmit from the engine. When it went wonky did the speedo go to zero immediately or as you slowed to a stop? IF the converter bolts went it should be easy to see, but you need the car up in the air to find out- with the car up and the engine running, the converter would be stationary when viewed from underneath through the same cutout you drain the converter from. When at idle is it at regular idle speed or does it seem slower than usual? Does running the AC really lug it? If not, then the OVP is fine (I'm pretty sure you lose the tach w/o the OPV). Other than that, I can't connect these dots! In any case you'll need to get underneath; would also be good to check for operating and modulator pressures. Another thing (grasping at straws) is perhaps the filter is plugged and theres no fluid being drawn? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Pretty much. I'd check fluid level first, then probably drop the pan and look for badness sitting in the pan. Don't worry, at least these transmissions are a pain to swap out without a lift. Rusty sells rebuilds (and the one in my 87 300D seemed fine after 150k or so miles), that failing, you're looking at resealing a junkyard special, which isn't overly fun, easy, or cheap. On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 09:58:54PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > ohhh, you got other bigger problems then. Will it go in reverse? > > Luther wrote: > > It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
> Well the speedo gets it's speed from a cable attached to the back of > the > gearbox, not sure about the tacho but the gut feeling is that something > is broke in the box but it may not be. The 126 speedometer is electronic. No mechanical cable at all. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
I would guess that there's a problem in the tranny tail cone. It seems like this would explain the sudden drop in the speedo when the tail shaft stopped turning interrupting the cruise signal which, in turn, caused the engine to drop to idle. Wouldn't it be cool if it was something that easy? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
You put 150K on a transmission from Rusty? That a pretty good recommendation for Rustys rebuilt transmissions if that's the case. Gerry --- From: "Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Pretty much. I'd check fluid level first, then probably drop the pan and > look for badness sitting in the pan. > > Don't worry, at least these transmissions are a pain to swap out without a > lift. Rusty sells rebuilds (and the one in my 87 300D seemed fine after > 150k > or so miles), that failing, you're looking at resealing a junkyard > special, > which isn't overly fun, easy, or cheap. > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 09:58:54PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >> ohhh, you got other bigger problems then. Will it go in reverse? >> >> Luther wrote: >> > It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
I'm going to call my insurance and have them tow the car to my house (gotta make use of the premium somehow...) and do some diagnosis tomorrow morning/afternoon. Luther, hoping for a quietly damaged flex disk -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Luther wrote: >> >> If something (pump/clutch band/etc) went in the transmission, wouldn't the >> engine have raced/flared instead of just dropping from 3000rpm to idle? > > Were you driving on the cruise control? Perhaps the drivetrain disengaged, > like a blown flex disk or diff disentigration (seems like that would be > awful noisy though) and that made the cruise disengage. > > Seems like if you shifted into neutral at speed, the cruise would > kick off but the speedo would keep working, so I think the mechanical > problem is between the speedo drive gear on the tailshaft and the > wheels. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Previous owner put probably 80k on it, and I probably put about 70k on it. Rough figures, and yes, it had synthetic from when the PO put it in and was taken care of, but the PO had a bit of a heavy foot, as do I... If it was a car I was going to have for a while (meaning not swap the trans so I could dump it), I'd totally call Rusty for a trans. Fluid is still good, shifts as good as when I bought it. Rusty will have to give you more info on this, but most rebuilt 722.3s don't come with a torque converter and you reuse yours, dealer crate tranny included unless you pay extra. His trannies come with the torque converter if I'm remembering right. On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 01:17:25AM -0400, archer wrote: > You put 150K on a transmission from Rusty? That a pretty good recommendation > for Rustys rebuilt transmissions if that's the case. > Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
My 78 240D did that a couple of years ago. Ended up installing a used tranny. It's times like this that makes me REALLY want a manual tranny - B2 perhaps? Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Luther - laptop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] SDL won't move >I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the > speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a > stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I > added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There > was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of > loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > '82 300CD (170 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
which tranny series had an external band bolt that backed out, making the trans inoperative? Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 7:25 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move The tach works like normal...throttle response is normal. When the speedo dropped to zero, the tach dropped to idle. The problem seems mechanicalhow else would the tranny not go into any gear? Luther, dreading a trans rebuild -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So, why would the tach drop to zero if the engine was still running, > and the speedo go to zero if you were still moving? Sounds electrical > to me. Is the cruise control still thinking you need to be stopped? > Un-plug the CC amp --- ? > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. >> > > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." > -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain > '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My 78 240D did that a couple of years ago. Ended up installing a used > tranny. It's times like this that makes me REALLY want a manual tranny - > B2 perhaps? > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to Mercedes engines? Ideally, it'd be one that's readily available used, has wide aftermarket support so that it could easily be rebuilt with a choice of ratios, and can handle the power and torque of a souped-up diesel or gas V-8. I'm thinking a Borg-Warner T5 as used in the Mustang GT, Camaro, and a zillion hot rods and kit cars. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Maybe a T5 world class would be OK. I figured if I were going to the trouble of making or sourcing a bellhousing and finding a clutch disk that would work, and adapting the linkages, I'd spend a little more for a T56. It has one more gear, is much stronger, and only weighs 20-30lb more. Alex Chamberlain wrote: > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? Ideally, it'd be one that's readily available used, > has wide aftermarket support so that it could easily be rebuilt with a > choice of ratios, and can handle the power and torque of a souped-up > diesel or gas V-8. I'm thinking a Borg-Warner T5 as used in the > Mustang GT, Camaro, and a zillion hot rods and kit cars. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Marshall always said a manual trans in a turbo car was a mistake as it would be a dog off the line. I'm wondering though if you combined a good 5 or 6 speed manual with a GT2056V turbo you might have something good. IE the reason that the manual is no good is because the turbo spools up too slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes away... -Curt Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:30:44 -0700 From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My 78 240D did that a couple of years ago. Ended up installing a used > tranny. It's times like this that makes me REALLY want a manual tranny - > B2 perhaps? > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to Mercedes engines? Ideally, it'd be one that's readily available used, has wide aftermarket support so that it could easily be rebuilt with a choice of ratios, and can handle the power and torque of a souped-up diesel or gas V-8. I'm thinking a Borg-Warner T5 as used in the Mustang GT, Camaro, and a zillion hot rods and kit cars. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marshall always said a manual trans in a turbo car was a mistake as it would > be a dog off the line. > I'm wondering though if you combined a good 5 or 6 speed manual with a > GT2056V turbo you might have something good. > IE the reason that the manual is no good is because the turbo spools up too > slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes > away... > Makes sense to me. I've driven a '99 or 2000 VW TDI with a stick and a variable-displacement turbo. Very snappy off the line with no perceptible turbo.lag---the turbo spools right up as soon as you hit the go pedal. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Yes hence the email I sent earlier about the CRD adapter. Not much you can do on an om617 other than increase fuel, intercool and a better turbo. A manual transmission will always have better pull off the line all the way to second gear, its the lag in between gears that kills you if you are a slow shifter. I rarely have much lag in between as long as I am shifting to a point where the turbo will still be spooled in the next gear. There are some VGT Holsets which have t3 flanges and would be better suited for higher output operations but the GT2056V is pretty well suited. The biggest issue is controlling the vanes, however members over at superturbodiesel.com are moving to using the VCV combined with boost from the manifold to control the vanes using 2 actuators. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. I am still rooting for electronic control using the electronic boost sensor, rack sensor on the 85 IP and tach feeds to build maps. My first will be all manual however. -Rolf Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Marshall always said a manual trans in a turbo car was a mistake as it >> would be a dog off the line. >> I'm wondering though if you combined a good 5 or 6 speed manual with a >> GT2056V turbo you might have something good. >> IE the reason that the manual is no good is because the turbo spools up too >> slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes >> away... >> >> > > Makes sense to me. I've driven a '99 or 2000 VW TDI with a stick and > a variable-displacement turbo. Very snappy off the line with no > perceptible turbo.lag---the turbo spools right up as soon as you hit > the go pedal. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
The rear pump is not enough to run the tranny, it will only serve to tow start and provide emergency lubrication in the event the car has to be towed somewhere. Tony Wirtel wrote: >> You must have lifted your foot -- the engine will race otherwise. If >> you were coasting, it might have dropped, but with the CC it should >> have raced the engine. >> >> The speedometer dropping to zero might indicate that the drive gear >> failed, but it should keep reading if the driveline is turning as the >> car rolled, unless you sheared a flex disk or snapped a pinion gear. >> >> You need to examine the driveline for damage, and check to make sure >> the bolts that hold the torque convertor to the flywheel are intact >> (although they usually make a racket when they break off). Check the >> shifter bushings and link to make sure it didn't fall off (it >> happens) leaving the shift lever unconnected to the transmission. >> >> Otherwise, the most likely thing is a sheared pump drive. No pump, no >> pressure, no pressure no clutch engagement, it's in neutral and will >> stay there. >> >> Peter > > Peter- > > I was thinking along the same lines. But this car has a second pump > at the rear, so there would still be pressure to operate the > transmission although if the torque converter bolt went theres no > power to transmit from the engine. > > When it went wonky did the speedo go to zero immediately or as you > slowed to a stop? > > IF the converter bolts went it should be easy to see, but you need the > car up in the air to find out- with the car up and the engine running, > the converter would be stationary when viewed from underneath through > the same cutout you drain the converter from. When at idle is it at > regular idle speed or does it seem slower than usual? Does running > the AC really lug it? If not, then the OVP is fine (I'm pretty sure > you lose the tach w/o the OPV). > > Other than that, I can't connect these dots! In any case you'll need > to get underneath; would also be good to check for operating and > modulator pressures. Another thing (grasping at straws) is perhaps > the filter is plugged and theres no fluid being drawn? > > Tony Wirtel > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Might want to be careful with that. Many insurance plans that have tow coverage on them will file a claim against the policy if you use the tow portion. This will in turn look just like any other claim on insurance and raise your premium. Better off just paying a tow truck or getting AAA Luther wrote: > I'm going to call my insurance and have them tow the car to my house > (gotta make > use of the premium somehow...) and do some diagnosis tomorrow > morning/afternoon. > > Luther, hoping for a quietly damaged flex disk -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Thats the older trannies, that are in cars like the 115 240D, 300D and others. Its the reverse that goes out on those, tightened the bolt and it works again. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > which tranny series had an external band bolt that backed out, making the > trans inoperative? > > Jim in Phoenix > > > -Original Message- > From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 7:25 pm > Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move > > > > The tach works like normal...throttle response is normal. When the speedo > dropped to zero, the tach dropped to idle. The problem seems > mechanicalhow > else would the tranny not go into any gear? > > Luther, dreading a trans rebuild -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
I guess the bigger the turbo, the more lag. Small turbos spool up faster, that's one of the big reasons you now see 2 or more smaller ones on high performance cars. A diesel engine has better torque than a gasser as a general rule, so you may not have the same lag off the line, all things being equal, and of course nothing is equal in the comparison. hee hee. In the end, it may be more hassle and money than it's worth trying to make an older diesel do what a BMW gasser of the same vintage does. An older 5 series of the similar vintage will have a nice 5 speed, be a lot quicker and I'm not so sure it would be all the more to run than a diesel, if any. I always feel you should enjoy the car for what it is, and if you have to get into serious mods to make it into what you want, it's probably not the right car for you anymore. Just my thoughts on modifying cars. Ed 300E On 02/04/2008, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Marshall always said a manual trans in a turbo car was a mistake as it > would be a dog off the line. > I'm wondering though if you combined a good 5 or 6 speed manual with a > GT2056V turbo you might have something good. > IE the reason that the manual is no good is because the turbo spools up > too slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes > away... > > -Curt > > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:30:44 -0700 > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My 78 240D did that a couple of years ago. Ended up installing a > used > > tranny. It's times like this that makes me REALLY want a manual > tranny - > > B2 perhaps? > > > > > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? Ideally, it'd be one that's readily available used, > has wide aftermarket support so that it could easily be rebuilt with a > choice of ratios, and can handle the power and torque of a souped-up > diesel or gas V-8. I'm thinking a Borg-Warner T5 as used in the > Mustang GT, Camaro, and a zillion hot rods and kit cars. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > - > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Only money. :-) Ed 300E > > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > - > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
In a message dated 4/2/2008 2:21:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? TransAdapt and Kennedy are two big makers of custom transmission adapters. You can put the six speed from the 93 and up Camaro and Firebird behind most popular engines including the Hemi and the Northstar. Kennedy supplies their adapters with a suitable fywheel as well. They have a huge choice of adapters for most engines to the VW/Porsche pattern transmissions for the dune buggy crowd. Prices run 500 and up. I bet if Kennedy had an order for 10 or so they would whip one up! Now then, if you want to talk transmissions, check out Mendeola. They make a sequential shifting 5 speed good for 800 HP in an off road truck application. The trans pattern is VW, but as mentioned above, lots of adapters available. For a top of the line unit, complete with shifter, bring about $20,000. Dream on! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles (original automatic 4-speed) 98 ML 320, 155 K miles (original automatic 5-speed) Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 155 K miles **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
General rule of thumb is that if a box slowly dies it needs a rebuild but if it just stops working then it is a fault that can sometimes be easily fixed but won't be cheap because most times the box still has to come out of the car. Hendrik Kevin wrote: > Pretty much. I'd check fluid level first, then probably drop the pan and > look for badness sitting in the pan. > > Don't worry, at least these transmissions are a pain to swap out without a > lift. Rusty sells rebuilds (and the one in my 87 300D seemed fine after 150k > or so miles), that failing, you're looking at resealing a junkyard special, > which isn't overly fun, easy, or cheap. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired up the engine (after several hours of charging the dead battery) and laid down to check the torque converter. The flywheel and tc are spinning together. Ugh. Next, I loosened one of the cooler lines to check the front pump. It took about 1/4 turn to have a steady stream of fluid flowing out. Ugh. Now, when I move the shifter into park, it wants to rattle and sounds similar to a metal woodpecker. I'm going to drain the transmission and drop the pan now. Luther, frustrated On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:59:22 -0600, Luther - laptop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the > speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a > stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I > added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There > was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of > loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
sounds like tranny problems, and not simple ones Luther wrote: > Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired > up the engine (after several hours of charging the dead battery) and laid > down to check the torque converter. The flywheel and tc are spinning > together. Ugh. Next, I loosened one of the cooler lines to check the front > pump. It took about 1/4 turn to have a steady stream of fluid flowing out. > Ugh. > Now, when I move the shifter into park, it wants to rattle and sounds similar > to a metal woodpecker. I'm going to drain the transmission and drop the pan > now. > > Luther, frustrated > > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:59:22 -0600, Luther - laptop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the >> speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a >> stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I >> added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There >> was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of >> loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? >> > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no contamination. UGH!!! On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:25:17 -0600, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired > up the engine (after several hours of charging the dead battery) and laid > down to check the torque converter. The flywheel and tc are spinning > together. Ugh. Next, I loosened one of the cooler lines to check the front > pump. It took about 1/4 turn to have a steady stream of fluid flowing out. > Ugh. > Now, when I move the shifter into park, it wants to rattle and sounds similar > to a metal woodpecker. I'm going to drain the transmission and drop the pan > now. > > Luther, frustrated > > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:59:22 -0600, Luther - laptop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the >> speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a >> stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I >> added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There >> was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of >> loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? >> > > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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did those have b2 piston problems? Luther wrote: > Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no contamination. UGH!!! > > On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:25:17 -0600, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired >> up the engine (after several hours of charging the dead battery) and laid >> down to check the torque converter. The flywheel and tc are spinning >> together. Ugh. Next, I loosened one of the cooler lines to check the front >> pump. It took about 1/4 turn to have a steady stream of fluid flowing out. >> Ugh. >> Now, when I move the shifter into park, it wants to rattle and sounds >> similar to a metal woodpecker. I'm going to drain the transmission and drop >> the pan now. >> >> Luther, frustrated >> >> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:59:22 -0600, Luther - laptop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the >>> speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a >>> stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I >>> added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There >>> was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of >>> loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? >>> >> >> > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Shouldn't, but since he didn't have reverse, that should rule that out, no? I'm expecting badness in the pan when he drops it. On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 04:18:08PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > did those have b2 piston problems? > > Luther wrote: > > Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no contamination. UGH!!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But why no reverse On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:18:08 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > did those have b2 piston problems? > > Luther wrote: >> Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no contamination. UGH!!! >> >> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:25:17 -0600, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired >>> up the engine (after several hours of charging the dead battery) and laid >>> down to check the torque converter. The flywheel and tc are spinning >>> together. Ugh. Next, I loosened one of the cooler lines to check the >>> front pump. It took about 1/4 turn to have a steady stream of fluid >>> flowing out. Ugh. >>> Now, when I move the shifter into park, it wants to rattle and sounds >>> similar to a metal woodpecker. I'm going to drain the transmission and >>> drop the pan now. >>> >>> Luther, frustrated >>> >>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:59:22 -0600, Luther - laptop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? >>> >>> >> >> >> > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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that is strange. Luther wrote: > But why no reverse > > On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:18:08 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> did those have b2 piston problems? >> >> Luther wrote: >>> Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no contamination. UGH!!! >>> >>> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:25:17 -0600, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired up the engine (after several hours of charging the dead battery) and laid down to check the torque converter. The flywheel and tc are spinning together. Ugh. Next, I loosened one of the cooler lines to check the front pump. It took about 1/4 turn to have a steady stream of fluid flowing out. Ugh. Now, when I move the shifter into park, it wants to rattle and sounds similar to a metal woodpecker. I'm going to drain the transmission and drop the pan now. Luther, frustrated On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:59:22 -0600, Luther - laptop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the > speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a > stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I > added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There > was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of > loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? > >>> >>> > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My K30 chevy lost its torque converter bolts. When the last one went, it was somewhat similar, though the last bolt hit the bottom of the bellhousing and stopped the engine. You should see the crack :) On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:19:48PM -0600, Luther wrote: > But why no reverse ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But why no reverse If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 155 K miles **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system But why no speedometer? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not so fast, the filter was firmly in place yesterday afternoon Luther On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:11:09 -0600, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > But why no reverse > > > > If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system > > Jim Friesen > Phoenix AZ > 79 300SD, 264 K miles > 98 ML 320, 155 K miles > > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis is tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives the speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no slipping when the cruise just "quit". Ugh. Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited mileage warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and transfer some money Luther On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:36:42 -0600, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not so fast, the filter was firmly in place yesterday afternoon > > Luther > > On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:11:09 -0600, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> But why no reverse >> >> >> >> If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the >> rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system >> >> Jim Friesen >> Phoenix AZ >> 79 300SD, 264 K miles >> 98 ML 320, 155 K miles >> >> >> > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
buy a used one Luther wrote: > So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis is > tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives the > speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no slipping > when the cruise just "quit". Ugh. > > Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited mileage > warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and transfer some > money > > Luther > > On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:36:42 -0600, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Not so fast, the filter was firmly in place yesterday afternoon >> >> Luther >> >> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:11:09 -0600, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>> >>> But why no reverse >>> >>> >>> >>> If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the >>> rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system >>> >>> Jim Friesen >>> Phoenix AZ >>> 79 300SD, 264 K miles >>> 98 ML 320, 155 K miles >>> >>> >>> > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Will you give me a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty? :D Luther On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:22 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > buy a used one > > Luther wrote: >> So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis is >> tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives the >> speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no slipping >> when the cruise just "quit". Ugh. >> >> Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited mileage >> warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and transfer some >> money >> >> Luther > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
no, but I will give you a 30 day warranty and it will be a hell of a lot cheaper. Luther wrote: > Will you give me a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty? :D > > Luther > > On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:22 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> buy a used one >> >> Luther wrote: >>> So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis >>> is tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives the >>> speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no >>> slipping when the cruise just "quit". Ugh. >>> >>> Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited mileage >>> warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and transfer some >>> money >>> >>> Luther > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Tempting does it have less than 100kmi on it? On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:23:03 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no, but I will give you a 30 day warranty and it will be a hell of a lot > cheaper. > > Luther wrote: >> Will you give me a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty? :D >> >> Luther >> >> On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:22 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> buy a used one >>> >>> Luther wrote: So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis is tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives the speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no slipping when the cruise just "quit". Ugh. Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited mileage warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and transfer some money Luther >> > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
It was rebuilt not too long before installed in the car from which it was removed. Luther wrote: > Tempting does it have less than 100kmi on it? > > On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:23:03 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> no, but I will give you a 30 day warranty and it will be a hell of a lot >> cheaper. >> >> Luther wrote: >>> Will you give me a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty? :D >>> >>> Luther >>> >>> On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:22 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> buy a used one Luther wrote: > So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis > is tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives > the speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no > slipping when the cruise just "quit". Ugh. > > Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited > mileage warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and > transfer some money > > Luther > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Who rebuilt it? On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:45:02 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was rebuilt not too long before installed in the car from which it > was removed. > > Luther wrote: >> Tempting does it have less than 100kmi on it? >> >> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:23:03 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> no, but I will give you a 30 day warranty and it will be a hell of a lot >>> cheaper. >>> >>> Luther wrote: Will you give me a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty? :D Luther On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:22 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > buy a used one > > Luther wrote: >> So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the >> diagnosis is tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the >> govenor drives the speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains >> no sound and no slipping when the cruise just "quit". Ugh. >> >> Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited >> mileage warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and >> transfer some money >> >> Luther >> >> >> > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system You've had the trans pan off already?? I must have missed that. Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But why no reverse If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 155 K miles **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Yup, fluid was normal and nothing solid in the bottom of the pan. The filter was on tight also. Did you see the diagnosis from my MBCA tech advisor? Luther On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:54:21 -0600, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system > > You've had the trans pan off already?? I must have missed that. > > Jim in Phoenix > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:11 pm > Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move > > > >In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > But why no reverse > > > > If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system > > Jim Friesen > Phoenix AZ > 79 300SD, 264 K miles > 98 ML 320, 155 K miles > > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Yup! Now I did.? Bummer!? I believe Rusty's? rebuit trans comes with a? torque converter.? I guess the free shipping for orders over $75 doesn't apply here. Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move Yup, fluid was normal and nothing solid in the bottom of the pan. The filter was on tight also. Did you see the diagnosis from my MBCA tech advisor? Luther On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:54:21 -0600, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system > > You've had the trans pan off already?? I must have missed that. > > Jim in Phoenix > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:11 pm > Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move > > > >In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > But why no reverse > > > > If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system > > Jim Friesen > Phoenix AZ > 79 300SD, 264 K miles > 98 ML 320, 155 K miles > > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
I dont know. You probably want to spend more money anyway Luther wrote: > Who rebuilt it? > > On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:45:02 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> It was rebuilt not too long before installed in the car from which it >> was removed. >> >> Luther wrote: >>> Tempting does it have less than 100kmi on it? >>> >>> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:23:03 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> no, but I will give you a 30 day warranty and it will be a hell of a lot cheaper. Luther wrote: > Will you give me a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty? :D > > Luther > > On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:22 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> buy a used one >> >> Luther wrote: >>> So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the >>> diagnosis is tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the >>> govenor drives the speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains >>> no sound and no slipping when the cruise just "quit". Ugh. >>> >>> Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited >>> mileage warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and >>> transfer some money >>> >>> Luther >>> >>> > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Have you thought about re-building it yourself? Kits are available. Nice clean work surface and some time. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move Yup, fluid was normal and nothing solid in the bottom of the pan. The filter was on tight also. Did you see the diagnosis from my MBCA tech advisor? Luther On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:54:21 -0600, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system > > You've had the trans pan off already?? I must have missed that. > > Jim in Phoenix > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:11 pm > Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move > > > >In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > But why no reverse > > > > If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system > > Jim Friesen > Phoenix AZ > 79 300SD, 264 K miles > 98 ML 320, 155 K miles > > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Oops, I got Luther's tranny confused with Kaleb's engine. I wonder if luther could get a complete tailshaft housing with governor cheaply from somebody like Kaleb. Mitch Haley wrote: > > R A Bennell wrote: > > > > Have you thought about re-building it yourself? Kits are available. > > What's a Mahle sleeve kit go for these days, $200-300 a hole? > I think I recall Kaleb saying something about oil consumption on a trip and > then the car wouldn't restart. That could mean everything that moves is > trash, so you'd be looking at a head, oil pump, timing chain, bearings, > sleeve kit and crank. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Having rebuilt domestic transmissions, I would caution one against doing this. The investment in time and tools doesn't work out compared to buying a reman from Rusty, not to mention the downtime. And what happens when you get it installed and it doesn't work? Just my $0.02... Dan --- R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you thought about re-building it yourself? Kits > are available. Nice clean work surface and some > time. > > Randy > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
R A Bennell wrote: > > Have you thought about re-building it yourself? Kits are available. What's a Mahle sleeve kit go for these days, $200-300 a hole? I think I recall Kaleb saying something about oil consumption on a trip and then the car wouldn't restart. That could mean everything that moves is trash, so you'd be looking at a head, oil pump, timing chain, bearings, sleeve kit and crank. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Combination of factors obviously. The cost of the kit is minimal compared to a new tranny. Some of the tools can likely be home made versions. A press is nice to have in any event so buying it is not a bad idea. Worst case scenario is that you end up having to have it fixed or replaced anyway. In the meantime, you get an education of sorts. If I have been reading this right, Luther is not desperate for this car on a daily basis is he? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move Having rebuilt domestic transmissions, I would caution one against doing this. The investment in time and tools doesn't work out compared to buying a reman from Rusty, not to mention the downtime. And what happens when you get it installed and it doesn't work? Just my $0.02... Dan --- R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you thought about re-building it yourself? Kits > are available. Nice clean work surface and some > time. > > Randy > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
I get the idea that a typical clutch and seal kit won't have whatever busted in the governor of Luther's tranny. Some professional tranny rebuilders got an education going through a 190dt last year, and the car was sold on eBay last week, only able to move in reverse. Mitch. R A Bennell wrote: > > Combination of factors obviously. The cost of the kit is minimal compared to > a new tranny. Some of the tools can > likely be home made versions. A press is nice to have in any event so buying > it is not a bad idea. Worst case > scenario is that you end up having to have it fixed or replaced anyway. In > the meantime, you get an education of > sorts. If I have been reading this right, Luther is not desperate for this > car on a daily basis is he? > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
We have a pro MB tranny rebuilder in town - cost is about the same as one from Rusty. You pay either way. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I get the idea that a typical clutch and seal kit won't have whatever > busted in the governor of Luther's tranny. Some professional tranny > rebuilders got an education going through a 190dt last year, and > the car was sold on eBay last week, only able to move in reverse. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
My thoughts exactly. I'm going to rebuild a OM617, but I'm not ready for a tranny yet. Kaleb's offer on the used transmission is VERY tempting I intend to keep the car for a very long timeso, I'm not sure yet. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Having rebuilt domestic transmissions, I would caution > one against doing this. The investment in time and > tools doesn't work out compared to buying a reman from > Rusty, not to mention the downtime. > > And what happens when you get it installed and it > doesn't work? > > Just my $0.02... > > > Dan > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
I am desperate for this car The coupe and it's 1qt oil every 150-200 miles is killing me. On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:06:55 -0500, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Combination of factors obviously. The cost of the kit is minimal compared to > a new tranny. Some of the tools can > likely be home made versions. A press is nice to have in any event so buying > it is not a bad idea. Worst case > scenario is that you end up having to have it fixed or replaced anyway. In > the meantime, you get an education of > sorts. If I have been reading this right, Luther is not desperate for this > car on a daily basis is he? > > Randy -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
What's their warranty? On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:40:58 -0500, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have a pro MB tranny rebuilder in town - cost is about the same as > one from Rusty. You pay either way. > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I get the idea that a typical clutch and seal kit won't have whatever >> busted in the governor of Luther's tranny. Some professional tranny >> rebuilders got an education going through a 190dt last year, and >> the car was sold on eBay last week, only able to move in reverse. >> > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Best of both worlds. Buy the used one and put it in. Tear into the old one and see what you have. Hard parts are likely available new or used if you need them. My experience with re-built transmissions is not wonderful. I think the people who do them, generally do them as fast and cheap as they can. If you want it done well then you probably have to be prepared to pay a lot more than the average price advertised. Even then, I would wonder whether I had someone who cared or just someone who made more money on me. That is why I would be tempted to try it myself. I believe I have seen manuals advertised on rebuilding MB transmissions. What do you have to lose apart from some time (and your mind if it all goes bad!!) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move My thoughts exactly. I'm going to rebuild a OM617, but I'm not ready for a tranny yet. Kaleb's offer on the used transmission is VERY tempting I intend to keep the car for a very long timeso, I'm not sure yet. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Having rebuilt domestic transmissions, I would caution > one against doing this. The investment in time and > tools doesn't work out compared to buying a reman from > Rusty, not to mention the downtime. > > And what happens when you get it installed and it > doesn't work? > > Just my $0.02... > > > Dan > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
But the issue with Rusty's rebuild is the serious warranty record. 2 year unlimited mileage warranty, and Rusty has not had one returned yet. That's serious Luther On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:06:31 -0500, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Best of both worlds. Buy the used one and put it in. Tear into the old one > and see what you have. Hard parts are > likely available new or used if you need them. > > My experience with re-built transmissions is not wonderful. I think the > people who do them, generally do them as > fast and cheap as they can. If you want it done well then you probably have > to be prepared to pay a lot more than > the average price advertised. Even then, I would wonder whether I had someone > who cared or just someone who made > more money on me. That is why I would be tempted to try it myself. I believe > I have seen manuals advertised on > rebuilding MB transmissions. What do you have to lose apart from some time > (and your mind if it all goes bad!!) > > Randy > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Geez, its going thru oil that fast? Its got problems. Luther wrote: > I am desperate for this car The coupe and it's 1qt oil every 150-200 > miles is killing me. > > On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:06:55 -0500, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Combination of factors obviously. The cost of the kit is minimal compared to >> a new tranny. Some of the tools can >> likely be home made versions. A press is nice to have in any event so buying >> it is not a bad idea. Worst case >> scenario is that you end up having to have it fixed or replaced anyway. In >> the meantime, you get an education of >> sorts. If I have been reading this right, Luther is not desperate for this >> car on a daily basis is he? >> >> Randy > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
That's what the block is for. On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:48:32 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geez, its going thru oil that fast? Its got problems. > > Luther wrote: >> I am desperate for this car The coupe and it's 1qt oil every 150-200 >> miles is killing me. >> >> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:06:55 -0500, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Combination of factors obviously. The cost of the kit is minimal compared >>> to a new tranny. Some of the tools can >>> likely be home made versions. A press is nice to have in any event so >>> buying it is not a bad idea. Worst case >>> scenario is that you end up having to have it fixed or replaced anyway. In >>> the meantime, you get an education of >>> sorts. If I have been reading this right, Luther is not desperate for this >>> car on a daily basis is he? >>> >>> Randy >> >> > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
oh Luther wrote: > That's what the block is for. > > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:48:32 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Geez, its going thru oil that fast? Its got problems. >> >> Luther wrote: >>> I am desperate for this car The coupe and it's 1qt oil every 150-200 >>> miles is killing me. >>> >>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:06:55 -0500, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Combination of factors obviously. The cost of the kit is minimal compared to a new tranny. Some of the tools can likely be home made versions. A press is nice to have in any event so buying it is not a bad idea. Worst case scenario is that you end up having to have it fixed or replaced anyway. In the meantime, you get an education of sorts. If I have been reading this right, Luther is not desperate for this car on a daily basis is he? Randy >>> > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
This was in January of 2001. Rebuild the tranny - $1160 Rebuilt TC - $210 Labor (including steering idler arm kit, and an alignment) - $540 Warranty was 90 days or 4,000 miles. On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's their warranty? > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
