Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Thanks to all, but I was misinformed by the dealer. They did NOT replace the transmission pump, only RESEAL it. I got the car back and it runs and shifts great. Their thinking is that since the transmission was not slipping prior to the failure of the pump seals, then it was a safe bet it didn't need a transmission rebuild with only 215 K miles on the car. The warranty is only for the pump. On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Piffle! My 240D is one of the best in traffic cars I've driven. The trick is not to be so worried about keeping up with the Joneses or the car in front of you. Put it in 1st, let it idle, you'll catch them when they're stopped. The 190D is a decent heavy traffic car but not quite as good, it won't go as slow without touching the clutch. -Curt Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:52:17 -0500 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ah but one must remember this is Andrew's wife's car and she likely drives it mostly in city traffic. An auto is way easier in traffic. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Rusty's tranny is a 2 year/unlimited mileage warranty. Have you tried filter and fluid change to Mobil 1 ATF? That cured my '82 CD of it's slipping tranny that was diagnosed as needing a rebuild by MB Luther, always a M1 believer -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. Get a rebuilt from Rusty for $1900. It has a 20k mile warranty that includes labor (IIRC). Rusty's transmission also includes a torque converter. If you're going to go replace the pump get the whole thing done... or get a used tranny from a junkyard. My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
have you got it installed yet? Luther wrote: Rusty's tranny is a 2 year/unlimited mileage warranty. Have you tried filter and fluid change to Mobil 1 ATF? That cured my '82 CD of it's slipping tranny that was diagnosed as needing a rebuild by MB Luther, always a M1 believer -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
I didn't say I was opposed to manual shift, both of my cars have manual trans. Have you got a 5spd in yours? Was the trans hard to find? I was of the understanding they were quite rare here. I've been in a 300TD with a manual trans as well. It was a 4spd NA... A conversion but well done. -Curt Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 16:46:14 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I own one and have driven three. I have also owned 2 NA manual diesels. Dog slow my a**. The only problem is spooling the turbo up in first gear and we are talking tads slower as the automatic has to spool as well. Once you get on it it stays spooled during shifts. Also about 75lb lighter and with a VNT turbo all your spooling problems go away. I personally hate automatics for daily use, my wifes wagon still has one but the day I start having real problems with it I will drop a manual in (I already have it sitting in the shed). Those who argue that its not OEM are ignorant. I have pictures of my wife standing next to a 300TD with a 5 speed at the MBZ museum. Again, to each their own, some like to drive without having to pay attention to whats really going on. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Piffle! My 240D is one of the best in traffic cars I've driven. The trick is not to be so worried about keeping up with the Joneses or the car in front of you. Put it in 1st, let it idle, you'll catch them when they're stopped. The 190D is a decent heavy traffic car but not quite as good, it won't go as slow without touching the clutch. -Curt Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:52:17 -0500 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ah but one must remember this is Andrew's wife's car and she likely drives it mostly in city traffic. An auto is way easier in traffic. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Andrew- Having recently been in and through the transmission of my '91 300d I can GUARANTEE there are other parts and seals ready for replacement. Many (but not all) o-rings were so brittle that they broke on removal. At minimum, with the pump out you're 90% of the labor time/cost to go in all the way and replace the clutches and at least examine the bands for condition. On my car (with 306k miles) many of the friction discs still has visible printing on them, but there were three (two in the reverse K2 pack and one in K1) that were breaking down and worn to the point where there were significant delays going into gear (~ 5-7 seconds reverse, 2-3 forward). And this was in a car thats only 17 years old! If your indy is good at these (they're not hard, just have to be precise and work in a clean environment) the $600 differential is a bargain. If the trans needs ANYTHING else it'll be close to $600 just for RR! That said, with the problem you describe if you do go the indy route make sure he is aware of the process to drill out rivets and then tap/replace with screws to renew one of the seals. I can't remember when the change to rivets occurred, so your car may be easier, but if there is an identified pump issue this is one definite area to attend to. With all of that said, did the dealer tell you what the working pressures were at? Tony WIrtel w124 300d, 300e Too late - like I say, the dealer's cappuccino rocks... We'll see how much time this simple replacement buys us. She only drives about 5k miles/year. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the pump is worn enough to not generate enough pressures, I suspect that most other parts are similarly worn. At that price, I would not stop at changing the pump. I'd do as the others have suggested - buy a rebuilt from Rusty and have it installed. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Hey Tony, As someone who also owns a 91 300D I was happy to hear how your 300 is doing! At 150k miles I can look forward to many more miles of happy motoring! I use Mobil 1 ATF and it shifts so smoothly I cannot feel it unless I really try to detech the shifts. Same for all other systems. Now that I hear you have 300k+ and things are still holding together well it makes me think this might be the best MB we've owned. Sounds like the clutch packs were on the way out in your tranny - One question, how hard would you say the tranny was to rebuild?? Maybe on a scale ot My '91 had low miles when I bought her in Jan 06 at just 99k miles. It just keeps getting better - it's got to be one of my favorite MBs! Thx for the info - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Andrew- Having recently been in and through the transmission of my '91 300d I can GUARANTEE there are other parts and seals ready for replacement. Many (but not all) o-rings were so brittle that they broke on removal. At minimum, with the pump out you're 90% of the labor time/cost to go in all the way and replace the clutches and at least examine the bands for condition. On my car (with 306k miles) many of the friction discs still has visible printing on them, but there were three (two in the reverse K2 pack and one in K1) that were breaking down and worn to the point where there were significant delays going into gear (~ 5-7 seconds reverse, 2-3 forward). And this was in a car thats only 17 years old! If your indy is good at these (they're not hard, just have to be precise and work in a clean environment) the $600 differential is a bargain. If the trans needs ANYTHING else it'll be close to $600 just for RR! That said, with the problem you describe if you do go the indy route make sure he is aware of the process to drill out rivets and then tap/replace with screws to renew one of the seals. I can't remember when the change to rivets occurred, so your car may be easier, but if there is an identified pump issue this is one definite area to attend to. With all of that said, did the dealer tell you what the working pressures were at? Tony WIrtel w124 300d, 300e Too late - like I say, the dealer's cappuccino rocks... We'll see how much time this simple replacement buys us. She only drives about 5k miles/year. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the pump is worn enough to not generate enough pressures, I suspect that most other parts are similarly worn. At that price, I would not stop at changing the pump. I'd do as the others have suggested - buy a rebuilt from Rusty and have it installed. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Tony, What sort of pressures should they be? On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew- Having recently been in and through the transmission of my '91 300d I can GUARANTEE there are other parts and seals ready for replacement. Many (but not all) o-rings were so brittle that they broke on removal. At minimum, with the pump out you're 90% of the labor time/cost to go in all the way and replace the clutches and at least examine the bands for condition. On my car (with 306k miles) many of the friction discs still has visible printing on them, but there were three (two in the reverse K2 pack and one in K1) that were breaking down and worn to the point where there were significant delays going into gear (~ 5-7 seconds reverse, 2-3 forward). And this was in a car thats only 17 years old! If your indy is good at these (they're not hard, just have to be precise and work in a clean environment) the $600 differential is a bargain. If the trans needs ANYTHING else it'll be close to $600 just for RR! That said, with the problem you describe if you do go the indy route make sure he is aware of the process to drill out rivets and then tap/replace with screws to renew one of the seals. I can't remember when the change to rivets occurred, so your car may be easier, but if there is an identified pump issue this is one definite area to attend to. With all of that said, did the dealer tell you what the working pressures were at? Tony WIrtel w124 300d, 300e Too late - like I say, the dealer's cappuccino rocks... We'll see how much time this simple replacement buys us. She only drives about 5k miles/year. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the pump is worn enough to not generate enough pressures, I suspect that most other parts are similarly worn. At that price, I would not stop at changing the pump. I'd do as the others have suggested - buy a rebuilt from Rusty and have it installed. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Tony, What sort of pressures should they be? Andrew, Will send some info directly- Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Hey Tony, As someone who also owns a 91 300D I was happy to hear how your 300 is doing! At 150k miles I can look forward to many more miles of happy motoring! I use Mobil 1 ATF and it shifts so smoothly I cannot feel it unless I really try to detech the shifts. Same for all other systems. Now that I hear you have 300k+ and things are still holding together well it makes me think this might be the best MB we've owned. Sounds like the clutch packs were on the way out in your tranny - One question, how hard would you say the tranny was to rebuild?? Maybe on a scale ot My '91 had low miles when I bought her in Jan 06 at just 99k miles. It just keeps getting better - it's got to be one of my favorite MBs! Thx for the info - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) Larry, I've not driven another w124 chassis diesel, but compared to yours I'd guess the shifts on mine are more firm. Personally, I prefer it that way! For degree of difficulty its a matter of keeping clean, having lots of work space that won't mind exposure to ATF, some good documentation and keeping good track of the process. Take your time and keep things organized. I did mine when my wife and kids were out of town for a long weekend and could completely focus on the job. On a scale of 1-10 with 1 being 123 chassis brake pads, I'd guess this is a 7? That comes from experience with a bunch of other areas on these cars. In the last year I've done rear subframe mounts, ball joints, spring replacement and head gasket replacement on my M103 car. Compared to things like subframe mounts the transmission could be considered easier, as the work is straightforward, at least as compared to removing the old mounts! Having some decent tools is a great help. If you can't get the transmission out safely nothing else matters! I bought a transmission jack with a tilting table deck to make alignment a non issue and some 6 ton jack stands to get good clearance of the transmission once its down. While I thought the transmission jack would be a one time thing, I've found its great to lift my riding mower and I'm sure I'll find other uses as well. Now back together this car has impressed me. For some reason the 300d rides better than the 300e, and the D is a more relaxed driver with the available torque. I just might sell both and get a newer wagon, who knows. But it sure is an enjoyable car to drive. I also just found out that the ALDA still has the original cap; I think it would be even nicer adjusted ~ 1/2 turn CCW! Tony Wirtel '91 300d, '92 300e/2.6 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It suffers from Peyronie's Disease, like Bill Clinton. --R R A Bennell wrote: So, why was the linkage bent? Does not sound like something that should happen with daily driving. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Correction: ONE linkage rod was bent. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The verdict is in: the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. Get a rebuilt from Rusty for $1900. It has a 20k mile warranty that includes labor (IIRC). Rusty's transmission also includes a torque converter. If you're going to go replace the pump get the whole thing done... or get a used tranny from a junkyard. My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Why not just find a low mileage replacement from carparts.com for cheap? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Call Rusty and get a rebuilt transmission. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Why not just find a low mileage replacement from carparts.com for cheap? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
To each their own, for that kind of money I would put a manual in. Especially in a CD. -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Call Rusty and get a rebuilt transmission. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Why not just find a low mileage replacement from carparts.com for cheap? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
But the dealer has such a neat self-serve cappucino machine! On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To each their own, for that kind of money I would put a manual in. Especially in a CD. -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Call Rusty and get a rebuilt transmission. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Why not just find a low mileage replacement from carparts.com for cheap? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Have you driven a manual turbo 3.0l? Marshall always said they'd be doggy slow. I dunno if thats true or not but I follow his logic. At the very least you'd want a 5spd which is pretty uncommon unless you're going to adapt a non-MB trans. -Curt Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 15:37:53 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To each their own, for that kind of money I would put a manual in. Especially in a CD. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
I own one and have driven three. I have also owned 2 NA manual diesels. Dog slow my a**. The only problem is spooling the turbo up in first gear and we are talking tads slower as the automatic has to spool as well. Once you get on it it stays spooled during shifts. Also about 75lb lighter and with a VNT turbo all your spooling problems go away. I personally hate automatics for daily use, my wifes wagon still has one but the day I start having real problems with it I will drop a manual in (I already have it sitting in the shed). Those who argue that its not OEM are ignorant. I have pictures of my wife standing next to a 300TD with a 5 speed at the MBZ museum. Again, to each their own, some like to drive without having to pay attention to whats really going on. -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: Have you driven a manual turbo 3.0l? Marshall always said they'd be doggy slow. I dunno if thats true or not but I follow his logic. At the very least you'd want a 5spd which is pretty uncommon unless you're going to adapt a non-MB trans. -Curt Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 15:37:53 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To each their own, for that kind of money I would put a manual in. Especially in a CD. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Was there not a recent quote for a rebuilt transmission from Rusty for somewhere around the $2K figure? At that price, even after you pay to have it installed, you should be able to buy a cappucino maker. Install the transmission yourself, and get a really good cappucino maker! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD But the dealer has such a neat self-serve cappucino machine! On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To each their own, for that kind of money I would put a manual in. Especially in a CD. -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Call Rusty and get a rebuilt transmission. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Why not just find a low mileage replacement from carparts.com for cheap? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rolf wrote: Again, to each their own, some like to drive without having to pay attention to whats really going on. Thats a little over-the-top... I like to drive an auto because I'm lazy, but I still pay attention to whats going on around me. If I lived in a very urban environment I would probably want an auto as well. That said, I **HATE** changing ATF. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ah but one must remember this is Andrew's wife's car and she likely drives it mostly in city traffic. An auto is way easier in traffic. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD To each their own, for that kind of money I would put a manual in. Especially in a CD. -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Call Rusty and get a rebuilt transmission. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Why not just find a low mileage replacement from carparts.com for cheap? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Real men drink espresso: http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/sku4839940/index.cfm?pkey=celtespckey=eltesp R A Bennell wrote: Was there not a recent quote for a rebuilt transmission from Rusty for somewhere around the $2K figure? At that price, even after you pay to have it installed, you should be able to buy a cappucino maker. Install the transmission yourself, and get a really good cappucino maker! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD But the dealer has such a neat self-serve cappucino machine! On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To each their own, for that kind of money I would put a manual in. Especially in a CD. -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Call Rusty and get a rebuilt transmission. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Why not just find a low mileage replacement from carparts.com for cheap? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't you just use your $2 super sucker and clean it out through the fill tube? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Rolf wrote: Again, to each their own, some like to drive without having to pay attention to whats really going on. Thats a little over-the-top... I like to drive an auto because I'm lazy, but I still pay attention to whats going on around me. If I lived in a very urban environment I would probably want an auto as well. That said, I **HATE** changing ATF. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm really not much on expresso or cappucino. I just want plain black coffee - a bit on the strong side but no way near expresso. (but a beer will do fine if we're out of coffee!) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Real men drink espresso: http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/sku4839940/index.cfm?pkey=celtespckey=eltesp R A Bennell wrote: Was there not a recent quote for a rebuilt transmission from Rusty for somewhere around the $2K figure? At that price, even after you pay to have it installed, you should be able to buy a cappucino maker. Install the transmission yourself, and get a really good cappucino maker! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD But the dealer has such a neat self-serve cappucino machine! On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To each their own, for that kind of money I would put a manual in. Especially in a CD. -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Call Rusty and get a rebuilt transmission. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Why not just find a low mileage replacement from carparts.com for cheap? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What makes you think you cant have both : http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/looflirpa/beer.shtml :) R A Bennell wrote: I'm really not much on expresso or cappucino. I just want plain black coffee - a bit on the strong side but no way near expresso. (but a beer will do fine if we're out of coffee!) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Real men drink espresso: http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/sku4839940/index.cfm?pkey=celtespckey=eltesp R A Bennell wrote: Was there not a recent quote for a rebuilt transmission from Rusty for somewhere around the $2K figure? At that price, even after you pay to have it installed, you should be able to buy a cappucino maker. Install the transmission yourself, and get a really good cappucino maker! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD But the dealer has such a neat self-serve cappucino machine! On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To each their own, for that kind of money I would put a manual in. Especially in a CD. -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Call Rusty and get a rebuilt transmission. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Why not just find a low mileage replacement from carparts.com for cheap? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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R A Bennell wrote: Don't you just use your $2 super sucker and clean it out through the fill tube? I've yet to make one of those... Even then changing the filter with all the ATF dripping from the valve body is still a bunch of fun. I guess I could suck it out and come back a day later? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't think you can get the ATF out of a Benz tranny that way. I looked at it when I changed the fluid and filter on mine, and it did not look like the fill tube went down to the pan, or there was a clear path to the bottom through the tube. I might be wrong. The 700R4 fill tube goes right to the bottom of the pan, I sucked that thing dry. I think I did it on the 2000 Suburban too, I can't recall for sure. --R John Robbins wrote: R A Bennell wrote: Don't you just use your $2 super sucker and clean it out through the fill tube? I've yet to make one of those... Even then changing the filter with all the ATF dripping from the valve body is still a bunch of fun. I guess I could suck it out and come back a day later? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If the pump is worn enough to not generate enough pressures, I suspect that most other parts are similarly worn. At that price, I would not stop at changing the pump. I'd do as the others have suggested - buy a rebuilt from Rusty and have it installed. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Too late - like I say, the dealer's cappuccino rocks... We'll see how much time this simple replacement buys us. She only drives about 5k miles/year. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the pump is worn enough to not generate enough pressures, I suspect that most other parts are similarly worn. At that price, I would not stop at changing the pump. I'd do as the others have suggested - buy a rebuilt from Rusty and have it installed. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further shop testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into fourth. They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This is cheaper than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the pump. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
The verdict is in: the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall, which caused total loss of power. However, until they road test the car (again) it isn't clear yet whether this also accounts for the previous lack of fourth gear. Stay tuned... On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the engine when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it slowed down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off). You have what sounds like a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut off a runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot... That's not what you had. You can tell because you didn't need new underwear, nor did parts fly through the hood of your car. I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this cannot be done from the foot throttle. As I said, a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. Fix it, you'll be amazed. The adjustment procedure in the book is a good place to start. That and replacing/repairing any part you find along the way that is broken. I bought a car for $500 that I sold for $2500 because the PO was convinced that it needed a new transmission. No, it needed the throttle linkage corrected. For ZERO cost! (OK, I also put in a bunch of TLC and about $500 of other parts too, but that's not the point.) The throttle linkage got that car sold for a parts car price. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html You can imagine just how well a 240D automatic performs when it can only unleash about 1/4 throttle's worth of ponies. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Correction: ONE linkage rod was bent. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The verdict is in: the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall, which caused total loss of power. However, until they road test the car (again) it isn't clear yet whether this also accounts for the previous lack of fourth gear. Stay tuned... On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the engine when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it slowed down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off). You have what sounds like a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut off a runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot... That's not what you had. You can tell because you didn't need new underwear, nor did parts fly through the hood of your car. I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this cannot be done from the foot throttle. As I said, a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. Fix it, you'll be amazed. The adjustment procedure in the book is a good place to start. That and replacing/repairing any part you find along the way that is broken. I bought a car for $500 that I sold for $2500 because the PO was convinced that it needed a new transmission. No, it needed the throttle linkage corrected. For ZERO cost! (OK, I also put in a bunch of TLC and about $500 of other parts too, but that's not the point.) The throttle linkage got that car sold for a parts car price. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html You can imagine just how well a 240D automatic performs when it can only unleash about 1/4 throttle's worth of ponies. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
So, why was the linkage bent? Does not sound like something that should happen with daily driving. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Correction: ONE linkage rod was bent. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The verdict is in: the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall, which caused total loss of power. However, until they road test the car (again) it isn't clear yet whether this also accounts for the previous lack of fourth gear. Stay tuned... On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the engine when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it slowed down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off). You have what sounds like a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut off a runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot... That's not what you had. You can tell because you didn't need new underwear, nor did parts fly through the hood of your car. I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this cannot be done from the foot throttle. As I said, a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. Fix it, you'll be amazed. The adjustment procedure in the book is a good place to start. That and replacing/repairing any part you find along the way that is broken. I bought a car for $500 that I sold for $2500 because the PO was convinced that it needed a new transmission. No, it needed the throttle linkage corrected. For ZERO cost! (OK, I also put in a bunch of TLC and about $500 of other parts too, but that's not the point.) The throttle linkage got that car sold for a parts car price. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html You can imagine just how well a 240D automatic performs when it can only unleash about 1/4 throttle's worth of ponies. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
The vertical one? It is supposed to be bent... Is this you or a mechanic telling you this? -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: The verdict is in: the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall, which caused total loss of power. However, until they road test the car (again) it isn't clear yet whether this also accounts for the previous lack of fourth gear. Stay tuned... On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the engine when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it slowed down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off). You have what sounds like a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut off a runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot... That's not what you had. You can tell because you didn't need new underwear, nor did parts fly through the hood of your car. I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this cannot be done from the foot throttle. As I said, a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. Fix it, you'll be amazed. The adjustment procedure in the book is a good place to start. That and replacing/repairing any part you find along the way that is broken. I bought a car for $500 that I sold for $2500 because the PO was convinced that it needed a new transmission. No, it needed the throttle linkage corrected. For ZERO cost! (OK, I also put in a bunch of TLC and about $500 of other parts too, but that's not the point.) The throttle linkage got that car sold for a parts car price. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html You can imagine just how well a 240D automatic performs when it can only unleash about 1/4 throttle's worth of ponies. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
It suffers from Peyronie's Disease, like Bill Clinton. --R R A Bennell wrote: So, why was the linkage bent? Does not sound like something that should happen with daily driving. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD Correction: ONE linkage rod was bent. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The verdict is in: the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
I checked them AGAIN this AM for the 10th time and nothing looks out of whack. The firewall rubber block thingie seems intact. Nothing obvious - no disconnects or misconnects. I will try again tonight when SWMBO is home and can press the throttle from inside the car while I stare (uncomprehendingly) at the baffling array of linkages. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check the linkages! Amazing how badly they can behave when they're out of whack. And they're complex enough that there is plenty to go wrong. On the plus side, they work very well for a long time once set up. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
This one concerns me. I was under the impression the emergency stop was a lever on the IP. Did the split line get under or in some other way block the lever from working? Another reason I prefer manual transmissions, I can always shut off the engine on my car. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 23:19:18 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There was a split line near the firewall that prevented the emergency stop from working. This was repaired so it now shuts off normally. I'll check the linkage tomorrow AM. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
No. The leaky vacuum line prevented the stop from shutting off the engine. The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the engine when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it slowed down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off). Oddly, this happened before to this car last summer, for a different reason (I forget why). There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut off a runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot... On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one concerns me. I was under the impression the emergency stop was a lever on the IP. Did the split line get under or in some other way block the lever from working? Another reason I prefer manual transmissions, I can always shut off the engine on my car. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 23:19:18 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There was a split line near the firewall that prevented the emergency stop from working. This was repaired so it now shuts off normally. I'll check the linkage tomorrow AM. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Funny thing about those emergency stop levers. The one on my 190d takes gentle pressure. The one on my 300SD feels like the IP is fighting you, and strongly. When enlisting the wife for the throttle test, look at the engine side of the IP. Move the linkage by hand, and observe the location of the full travel stop that the throttle lever on the IP swings towards. Now when the wife hits the loud pedal, make sure the linkage hits the stop at the IP. IF not, you aren't getting full throttle. I suspect that your problem is more along the line of the engine making low power for a given throttle position, rather than the throttle not moving. Heavy throttle and little power hard late shifts. Being your car is a 1985, I believe you have all sorts of blue saucer vacuum control thingies on your valve cover, and possibly an EGR valve. Lots of things to go wrong with the engine/tranny management there. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this cannot be done from the foot throttle. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny thing about those emergency stop levers. The one on my 190d takes gentle pressure. The one on my 300SD feels like the IP is fighting you, and strongly. When enlisting the wife for the throttle test, look at the engine side of the IP. Move the linkage by hand, and observe the location of the full travel stop that the throttle lever on the IP swings towards. Now when the wife hits the loud pedal, make sure the linkage hits the stop at the IP. IF not, you aren't getting full throttle. I suspect that your problem is more along the line of the engine making low power for a given throttle position, rather than the throttle not moving. Heavy throttle and little power hard late shifts. Being your car is a 1985, I believe you have all sorts of blue saucer vacuum control thingies on your valve cover, and possibly an EGR valve. Lots of things to go wrong with the engine/tranny management there. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the engine when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it slowed down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off). You have what sounds like a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut off a runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot... That's not what you had. You can tell because you didn't need new underwear, nor did parts fly through the hood of your car. I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this cannot be done from the foot throttle. As I said, a seriously screwed up throttle linkage. Fix it, you'll be amazed. The adjustment procedure in the book is a good place to start. That and replacing/repairing any part you find along the way that is broken. I bought a car for $500 that I sold for $2500 because the PO was convinced that it needed a new transmission. No, it needed the throttle linkage corrected. For ZERO cost! (OK, I also put in a bunch of TLC and about $500 of other parts too, but that's not the point.) The throttle linkage got that car sold for a parts car price. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html You can imagine just how well a 240D automatic performs when it can only unleash about 1/4 throttle's worth of ponies. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
A Seres of Unfortunate Events has culminated in her well looked-after '85 300CD being reduced to a sluggy nonturbo that can't even reach 25 mph. Here is the progresion: 1) Car wouldn't shift beyond second gear. Dealer detected and replaced a leaky oil cooler line (car was low on translmission fluid). Problem solved - car now shifted beyond second gear. 2) Two weeks later, she noticed it wouldn't go past 3500 rpm. I then observed that the car wouldn't shift into FOURTH gear no matter what! It wasn't clear whether this was a NEW problem or had been there since we got the car back from the dealer. 3) At about that time, she parked the car at the mall and the engine refused to shut off! Neither of us was able to do so manually after 15 minutes of fruitless attempts (even attempted to stop up the exhaust). When we gave up and drove back home, the car had developed a case of slow speed sickness - no turbo/no revs beyond 2000/incapable of going faster than 20 mph. :(( MB roadside came and diagnosed and replaced a split vacuum line near the firewall that solved the shutoff problem, but this did not solve sluggishness issue. If I manually move the linkage I can get high revs, but not with the foot throttle. The rod linkages are all intact. Ideas and (cheap) solutions gratefully accepted! Andrew 1985 300CD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
I would go back and check the whole vacuum system in detail, especially the modulating valve on the IP and the overboost line from the manifold. Your inability to get ful revs with the accelertor would have me looking at linkage from the pedal to the IP, too. I think you've got multiple problems. Start with the vacuum system and make sure it's 100% first. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Seres of Unfortunate Events has culminated in her well looked-after '85 300CD being reduced to a sluggy nonturbo that can't even reach 25 mph. Here is the progresion: 1) Car wouldn't shift beyond second gear. Dealer detected and replaced a leaky oil cooler line (car was low on translmission fluid). Problem solved - car now shifted beyond second gear. 2) Two weeks later, she noticed it wouldn't go past 3500 rpm. I then observed that the car wouldn't shift into FOURTH gear no matter what! It wasn't clear whether this was a NEW problem or had been there since we got the car back from the dealer. 3) At about that time, she parked the car at the mall and the engine refused to shut off! Neither of us was able to do so manually after 15 minutes of fruitless attempts (even attempted to stop up the exhaust). When we gave up and drove back home, the car had developed a case of slow speed sickness - no turbo/no revs beyond 2000/incapable of going faster than 20 mph. :(( MB roadside came and diagnosed and replaced a split vacuum line near the firewall that solved the shutoff problem, but this did not solve sluggishness issue. If I manually move the linkage I can get high revs, but not with the foot throttle. The rod linkages are all intact. Ideas and (cheap) solutions gratefully accepted! Andrew 1985 300CD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
I too vote for linkage if you couldnt shut it off with the emergency stop. Check the bushing at the firewall, this deteriorates and fails. $45 part -Rolf LWB250 wrote: I would go back and check the whole vacuum system in detail, especially the modulating valve on the IP and the overboost line from the manifold. Your inability to get ful revs with the accelertor would have me looking at linkage from the pedal to the IP, too. I think you've got multiple problems. Start with the vacuum system and make sure it's 100% first. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Seres of Unfortunate Events has culminated in her well looked-after '85 300CD being reduced to a sluggy nonturbo that can't even reach 25 mph. Here is the progresion: 1) Car wouldn't shift beyond second gear. Dealer detected and replaced a leaky oil cooler line (car was low on translmission fluid). Problem solved - car now shifted beyond second gear. 2) Two weeks later, she noticed it wouldn't go past 3500 rpm. I then observed that the car wouldn't shift into FOURTH gear no matter what! It wasn't clear whether this was a NEW problem or had been there since we got the car back from the dealer. 3) At about that time, she parked the car at the mall and the engine refused to shut off! Neither of us was able to do so manually after 15 minutes of fruitless attempts (even attempted to stop up the exhaust). When we gave up and drove back home, the car had developed a case of slow speed sickness - no turbo/no revs beyond 2000/incapable of going faster than 20 mph. :(( MB roadside came and diagnosed and replaced a split vacuum line near the firewall that solved the shutoff problem, but this did not solve sluggishness issue. If I manually move the linkage I can get high revs, but not with the foot throttle. The rod linkages are all intact. Ideas and (cheap) solutions gratefully accepted! Andrew 1985 300CD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Yes on the line from the manifold to the IP -- this was the problem on the boy's 300SD. You might just have to clean it out where it exits the manifold -- if it is goobered up there is no signal to the IP and it gets out of whack, no accel, low top speed, etc. That also affected tranny shifts. Also, check your fuel filters, I just did that on Brunnhilde, amazing difference on the low top speed, sluggish accel. --R LWB250 wrote: I would go back and check the whole vacuum system in detail, especially the modulating valve on the IP and the overboost line from the manifold. Your inability to get ful revs with the accelertor would have me looking at linkage from the pedal to the IP, too. I think you've got multiple problems. Start with the vacuum system and make sure it's 100% first. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Seres of Unfortunate Events has culminated in her well looked-after '85 300CD being reduced to a sluggy nonturbo that can't even reach 25 mph. Here is the progresion: 1) Car wouldn't shift beyond second gear. Dealer detected and replaced a leaky oil cooler line (car was low on translmission fluid). Problem solved - car now shifted beyond second gear. 2) Two weeks later, she noticed it wouldn't go past 3500 rpm. I then observed that the car wouldn't shift into FOURTH gear no matter what! It wasn't clear whether this was a NEW problem or had been there since we got the car back from the dealer. 3) At about that time, she parked the car at the mall and the engine refused to shut off! Neither of us was able to do so manually after 15 minutes of fruitless attempts (even attempted to stop up the exhaust). When we gave up and drove back home, the car had developed a case of slow speed sickness - no turbo/no revs beyond 2000/incapable of going faster than 20 mph. :(( MB roadside came and diagnosed and replaced a split vacuum line near the firewall that solved the shutoff problem, but this did not solve sluggishness issue. If I manually move the linkage I can get high revs, but not with the foot throttle. The rod linkages are all intact. Ideas and (cheap) solutions gratefully accepted! Andrew 1985 300CD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Thanks - great suggestions. Fuel filters are fine. I just wonder whether our futile attempts at shutting off the engine triggered a more serious problem. Did you mean a vacuum line from the manifold to the IP? On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes on the line from the manifold to the IP -- this was the problem on the boy's 300SD. You might just have to clean it out where it exits the manifold -- if it is goobered up there is no signal to the IP and it gets out of whack, no accel, low top speed, etc. That also affected tranny shifts. Also, check your fuel filters, I just did that on Brunnhilde, amazing difference on the low top speed, sluggish accel. --R LWB250 wrote: I would go back and check the whole vacuum system in detail, especially the modulating valve on the IP and the overboost line from the manifold. Your inability to get ful revs with the accelertor would have me looking at linkage from the pedal to the IP, too. I think you've got multiple problems. Start with the vacuum system and make sure it's 100% first. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Seres of Unfortunate Events has culminated in her well looked-after '85 300CD being reduced to a sluggy nonturbo that can't even reach 25 mph. Here is the progresion: 1) Car wouldn't shift beyond second gear. Dealer detected and replaced a leaky oil cooler line (car was low on translmission fluid). Problem solved - car now shifted beyond second gear. 2) Two weeks later, she noticed it wouldn't go past 3500 rpm. I then observed that the car wouldn't shift into FOURTH gear no matter what! It wasn't clear whether this was a NEW problem or had been there since we got the car back from the dealer. 3) At about that time, she parked the car at the mall and the engine refused to shut off! Neither of us was able to do so manually after 15 minutes of fruitless attempts (even attempted to stop up the exhaust). When we gave up and drove back home, the car had developed a case of slow speed sickness - no turbo/no revs beyond 2000/incapable of going faster than 20 mph. :(( MB roadside came and diagnosed and replaced a split vacuum line near the firewall that solved the shutoff problem, but this did not solve sluggishness issue. If I manually move the linkage I can get high revs, but not with the foot throttle. The rod linkages are all intact. Ideas and (cheap) solutions gratefully accepted! Andrew 1985 300CD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Do you have a diagram showing where this bushing is? Is it easily accessible from the top of the engine? On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too vote for linkage if you couldnt shut it off with the emergency stop. Check the bushing at the firewall, this deteriorates and fails. $45 part -Rolf LWB250 wrote: I would go back and check the whole vacuum system in detail, especially the modulating valve on the IP and the overboost line from the manifold. Your inability to get ful revs with the accelertor would have me looking at linkage from the pedal to the IP, too. I think you've got multiple problems. Start with the vacuum system and make sure it's 100% first. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Seres of Unfortunate Events has culminated in her well looked-after '85 300CD being reduced to a sluggy nonturbo that can't even reach 25 mph. Here is the progresion: 1) Car wouldn't shift beyond second gear. Dealer detected and replaced a leaky oil cooler line (car was low on translmission fluid). Problem solved - car now shifted beyond second gear. 2) Two weeks later, she noticed it wouldn't go past 3500 rpm. I then observed that the car wouldn't shift into FOURTH gear no matter what! It wasn't clear whether this was a NEW problem or had been there since we got the car back from the dealer. 3) At about that time, she parked the car at the mall and the engine refused to shut off! Neither of us was able to do so manually after 15 minutes of fruitless attempts (even attempted to stop up the exhaust). When we gave up and drove back home, the car had developed a case of slow speed sickness - no turbo/no revs beyond 2000/incapable of going faster than 20 mph. :(( MB roadside came and diagnosed and replaced a split vacuum line near the firewall that solved the shutoff problem, but this did not solve sluggishness issue. If I manually move the linkage I can get high revs, but not with the foot throttle. The rod linkages are all intact. Ideas and (cheap) solutions gratefully accepted! Andrew 1985 300CD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
It actually is a pressure line from the manifold, conveys turbo boost pressure to the IP or ALDA or something down there, comes off the back of the intake manifold and runs across the firewall then down to the IP assembly. I fooled around with all the vac lines when we were on the road trip with no help, got home and posted the issue then MBooth answered the problem in about 3 minutes, and that fixed it. Car was not accelerating, shifting poorly, all kinds of problems. Not sure why tranny was acting up, I guess all the injection and vac are intermingled on the turbo (I don't have one here to study, Brunnhilde is a mouth-breather). --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks - great suggestions. Fuel filters are fine. I just wonder whether our futile attempts at shutting off the engine triggered a more serious problem. Did you mean a vacuum line from the manifold to the IP? On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes on the line from the manifold to the IP -- this was the problem on the boy's 300SD. You might just have to clean it out where it exits the manifold -- if it is goobered up there is no signal to the IP and it gets out of whack, no accel, low top speed, etc. That also affected tranny shifts. Also, check your fuel filters, I just did that on Brunnhilde, amazing difference on the low top speed, sluggish accel. --R LWB250 wrote: I would go back and check the whole vacuum system in detail, especially the modulating valve on the IP and the overboost line from the manifold. Your inability to get ful revs with the accelertor would have me looking at linkage from the pedal to the IP, too. I think you've got multiple problems. Start with the vacuum system and make sure it's 100% first. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Seres of Unfortunate Events has culminated in her well looked-after '85 300CD being reduced to a sluggy nonturbo that can't even reach 25 mph. Here is the progresion: 1) Car wouldn't shift beyond second gear. Dealer detected and replaced a leaky oil cooler line (car was low on translmission fluid). Problem solved - car now shifted beyond second gear. 2) Two weeks later, she noticed it wouldn't go past 3500 rpm. I then observed that the car wouldn't shift into FOURTH gear no matter what! It wasn't clear whether this was a NEW problem or had been there since we got the car back from the dealer. 3) At about that time, she parked the car at the mall and the engine refused to shut off! Neither of us was able to do so manually after 15 minutes of fruitless attempts (even attempted to stop up the exhaust). When we gave up and drove back home, the car had developed a case of slow speed sickness - no turbo/no revs beyond 2000/incapable of going faster than 20 mph. :(( MB roadside came and diagnosed and replaced a split vacuum line near the firewall that solved the shutoff problem, but this did not solve sluggishness issue. If I manually move the linkage I can get high revs, but not with the foot throttle. The rod linkages are all intact. Ideas and (cheap) solutions gratefully accepted! Andrew 1985 300CD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
If you look where the linkage comes up from the pedal on to the firewall there it is. about 2 and mounted to the firewall. The rest of the linkage goes laterally from here to the front of the engine. If the emergency stop didnt work then you have binding somewhere. Get someone to stomp on the accel (eng off) and watch the linkage. On the engine side of the IP you should see motion, the hammer should hit the full stop back there. andrew strasfogel wrote: Do you have a diagram showing where this bushing is? Is it easily accessible from the top of the engine? On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too vote for linkage if you couldnt shut it off with the emergency stop. Check the bushing at the firewall, this deteriorates and fails. $45 part -Rolf LWB250 wrote: I would go back and check the whole vacuum system in detail, especially the modulating valve on the IP and the overboost line from the manifold. Your inability to get ful revs with the accelertor would have me looking at linkage from the pedal to the IP, too. I think you've got multiple problems. Start with the vacuum system and make sure it's 100% first. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Seres of Unfortunate Events has culminated in her well looked-after '85 300CD being reduced to a sluggy nonturbo that can't even reach 25 mph. Here is the progresion: 1) Car wouldn't shift beyond second gear. Dealer detected and replaced a leaky oil cooler line (car was low on translmission fluid). Problem solved - car now shifted beyond second gear. 2) Two weeks later, she noticed it wouldn't go past 3500 rpm. I then observed that the car wouldn't shift into FOURTH gear no matter what! It wasn't clear whether this was a NEW problem or had been there since we got the car back from the dealer. 3) At about that time, she parked the car at the mall and the engine refused to shut off! Neither of us was able to do so manually after 15 minutes of fruitless attempts (even attempted to stop up the exhaust). When we gave up and drove back home, the car had developed a case of slow speed sickness - no turbo/no revs beyond 2000/incapable of going faster than 20 mph. :(( MB roadside came and diagnosed and replaced a split vacuum line near the firewall that solved the shutoff problem, but this did not solve sluggishness issue. If I manually move the linkage I can get high revs, but not with the foot throttle. The rod linkages are all intact. Ideas and (cheap) solutions gratefully accepted! Andrew 1985 300CD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Replace the fuel filters. Clean or clean and repair the boost control line from the rear or the intake manifold to the ALDA on the injection pump -- these engines clog that line pretty fast. Verify that the overboost solenoid is holding pressure. Find the missing bushings in the throttle linkage and replace them. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
There was a split line near the firewall that prevented the emergency stop from working. This was repaired so it now shuts off normally. I'll check the linkage tomorrow AM. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look where the linkage comes up from the pedal on to the firewall there it is. about 2 and mounted to the firewall. The rest of the linkage goes laterally from here to the front of the engine. If the emergency stop didnt work then you have binding somewhere. Get someone to stomp on the accel (eng off) and watch the linkage. On the engine side of the IP you should see motion, the hammer should hit the full stop back there. andrew strasfogel wrote: Do you have a diagram showing where this bushing is? Is it easily accessible from the top of the engine? On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too vote for linkage if you couldnt shut it off with the emergency stop. Check the bushing at the firewall, this deteriorates and fails. $45 part -Rolf LWB250 wrote: I would go back and check the whole vacuum system in detail, especially the modulating valve on the IP and the overboost line from the manifold. Your inability to get ful revs with the accelertor would have me looking at linkage from the pedal to the IP, too. I think you've got multiple problems. Start with the vacuum system and make sure it's 100% first. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Seres of Unfortunate Events has culminated in her well looked-after '85 300CD being reduced to a sluggy nonturbo that can't even reach 25 mph. Here is the progresion: 1) Car wouldn't shift beyond second gear. Dealer detected and replaced a leaky oil cooler line (car was low on translmission fluid). Problem solved - car now shifted beyond second gear. 2) Two weeks later, she noticed it wouldn't go past 3500 rpm. I then observed that the car wouldn't shift into FOURTH gear no matter what! It wasn't clear whether this was a NEW problem or had been there since we got the car back from the dealer. 3) At about that time, she parked the car at the mall and the engine refused to shut off! Neither of us was able to do so manually after 15 minutes of fruitless attempts (even attempted to stop up the exhaust). When we gave up and drove back home, the car had developed a case of slow speed sickness - no turbo/no revs beyond 2000/incapable of going faster than 20 mph. :(( MB roadside came and diagnosed and replaced a split vacuum line near the firewall that solved the shutoff problem, but this did not solve sluggishness issue. If I manually move the linkage I can get high revs, but not with the foot throttle. The rod linkages are all intact. Ideas and (cheap) solutions gratefully accepted! Andrew 1985 300CD 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - Sluggo 1985 300CD
Check the linkages! Amazing how badly they can behave when they're out of whack. And they're complex enough that there is plenty to go wrong. On the plus side, they work very well for a long time once set up. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
