Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I can't thank you enough - very reassuring.

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 11:54 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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> Results
>
> Briefly: Being over 70, the complication rate for your GF's mom would
> roughly be 7.6% which is very low. Surprisingly the complication rate for
> someone less than 70 years would roughly be twice as much (15.1%).
>
> Among 574 patients with a permanent pacemaker, 259 patients (45.1%) were
> below and 315 patients (54.9%) were above or at 70 years of age. There were
> 240 (92.7%) and 19 (7.3%) dual-chamber pacemaker (DDD) and single-chamber
> pacemaker (VVI) implanted patients in the younger group, and 291 (76.8%)
> and 73 (23.2%) DDD and VVI pacemaker implanted patients in the elderly
> group, respectively. The complication rate was 39 (15.1%) out of 259 young
> patients and 24 (7.6%) out of 315 elderly patients. Postprocedural
> complications were statistically lower in the elderly patients than in
> younger patients (P = 0.005).
>
> Conclusion
>
> A pacemaker implantation performed by an experienced operator is a safe
> procedure for patients of advanced age. The patients who are above 70 years
> old may have less complication rates than the younger patients.
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743522/
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> The Brits go into more detail, but the overall percentage is probably
> about the same:
>
> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pacemaker-implantation/risks/
>
> ~~~
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:38:24 -0500
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > My gf's mom (70+) is getting a pacemaker installed today. SHe is in
> > otherwise good health.  How risky is this procedure?  Anyone on the list
> > BTDT?
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On December 28, 2017 10:47:13 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:00:16 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a
> > > >medicine
> > > >> that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug
> > > >> reference book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and
> > > >then
> > > >> went back to the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented
> but
> > > >> was mighty upset that his patient knew more than he and stood up to
> > > >> him, needless to say we switched docs after that episode.
> > > >
> > > >Good thing to do! Did you tell others?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Yes, about both.  Ever since then my wife has kept one or two
> pharmacists
> > > in her circle so she can learn of other medicines that might be less
> > > expensive or more appropriate, but more importantly which drugs to stay
> > > away from.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Results

Briefly: Being over 70, the complication rate for your GF's mom would roughly 
be 7.6% which is very low. Surprisingly the complication rate for someone less 
than 70 years would roughly be twice as much (15.1%). 

Among 574 patients with a permanent pacemaker, 259 patients (45.1%) were below 
and 315 patients (54.9%) were above or at 70 years of age. There were 240 
(92.7%) and 19 (7.3%) dual-chamber pacemaker (DDD) and single-chamber pacemaker 
(VVI) implanted patients in the younger group, and 291 (76.8%) and 73 (23.2%) 
DDD and VVI pacemaker implanted patients in the elderly group, respectively. 
The complication rate was 39 (15.1%) out of 259 young patients and 24 (7.6%) 
out of 315 elderly patients. Postprocedural complications were statistically 
lower in the elderly patients than in younger patients (P = 0.005).

Conclusion

A pacemaker implantation performed by an experienced operator is a safe 
procedure for patients of advanced age. The patients who are above 70 years old 
may have less complication rates than the younger patients.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743522/
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The Brits go into more detail, but the overall percentage is probably about the 
same:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pacemaker-implantation/risks/

~~~
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:38:24 -0500
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  wrote:

> My gf's mom (70+) is getting a pacemaker installed today. SHe is in
> otherwise good health.  How risky is this procedure?  Anyone on the list
> BTDT?
> 
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On December 28, 2017 10:47:13 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:00:16 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a
> > >medicine
> > >> that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug
> > >> reference book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and
> > >then
> > >> went back to the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented but
> > >> was mighty upset that his patient knew more than he and stood up to
> > >> him, needless to say we switched docs after that episode.
> > >
> > >Good thing to do! Did you tell others?
> > >
> > >
> > Yes, about both.  Ever since then my wife has kept one or two pharmacists
> > in her circle so she can learn of other medicines that might be less
> > expensive or more appropriate, but more importantly which drugs to stay
> > away from.
> >
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> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
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> > '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Had a coworker get one in his 70s due to a low resting heart rate. Practically 
an outpatient procedure these days.

He said when he wakes up in the morning he sometimes feels it kicking in...

-D

> On Dec 29, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My gf's mom (70+) is getting a pacemaker installed today. SHe is in
> otherwise good health.  How risky is this procedure?  Anyone on the list
> BTDT?
> 
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On December 28, 2017 10:47:13 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:00:16 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a
>>> medicine
 that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug
 reference book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and
>>> then
 went back to the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented but
 was mighty upset that his patient knew more than he and stood up to
 him, needless to say we switched docs after that episode.
>>> 
>>> Good thing to do! Did you tell others?
>>> 
>>> 
>> Yes, about both.  Ever since then my wife has kept one or two pharmacists
>> in her circle so she can learn of other medicines that might be less
>> expensive or more appropriate, but more importantly which drugs to stay
>> away from.
>> 
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>> Charleston SC
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>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My gf's mom (70+) is getting a pacemaker installed today. SHe is in
otherwise good health.  How risky is this procedure?  Anyone on the list
BTDT?

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> On December 28, 2017 10:47:13 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:00:16 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a
> >medicine
> >> that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug
> >> reference book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and
> >then
> >> went back to the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented but
> >> was mighty upset that his patient knew more than he and stood up to
> >> him, needless to say we switched docs after that episode.
> >
> >Good thing to do! Did you tell others?
> >
> >
> Yes, about both.  Ever since then my wife has kept one or two pharmacists
> in her circle so she can learn of other medicines that might be less
> expensive or more appropriate, but more importantly which drugs to stay
> away from.
>
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> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

On December 28, 2017 10:47:13 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:00:16 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a
>medicine
>> that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug
>> reference book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and
>then
>> went back to the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented but
>> was mighty upset that his patient knew more than he and stood up to
>> him, needless to say we switched docs after that episode.
>
>Good thing to do! Did you tell others?
>
>
Yes, about both.  Ever since then my wife has kept one or two pharmacists in 
her circle so she can learn of other medicines that might be less expensive or 
more appropriate, but more importantly which drugs to stay away from.

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Charleston SC
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'95 E300

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:00:16 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a medicine
> that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug
> reference book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and then
> went back to the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented but
> was mighty upset that his patient knew more than he and stood up to
> him, needless to say we switched docs after that episode.

Good thing to do! Did you tell others?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Well, for an anecdotal story on the other side, I was inoculated with the
flu vaccine and many many others during my military career.  I rarely get
sick with anything.  I don't know that an annual flu vaccine has made a
positive difference in my case, but they sure haven't hurt me.  Before I
started getting all the military vaccines (high school and college) I was
also very rarely sick.

Vitamin D: In our area for my family, vitamin D levels are routinely
included in blood panels, but I do agree that 'Merican medicine focuses too
much on treatment with pharma rather than preventive medicine and healthy
living.  Latest and greatest pharma seems to be what many doc's know about
and prescribe, but knowing a good pharmacist and understanding other
medicines that are cheaper and usually just as effective can help a lot.
In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a medicine
that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug reference
book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and then went back to
the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented but was mighty upset
that his patient knew more than he and stood up to him, needless to say we
switched docs after that episode.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Rdeafboy via Mercedes]

ListersI have NOT gotten the flu shot . Same as my sister .  we have not 
gotten sick either ..  The key is Vitamin  D...I take 5,000 to 7,000 units a 
day with two/three Vitamin K2 also . The K2[Walmart]  keeps the calcium/D from 
assimilating in the arteries...Even when I was in the hospital for my stroke 
,they tried to make me take the flu shot- refused !   I know 2 people that got 
the flu shots last year and were deathly sick for 7 days..Look up Dr 
Mercola's site and delve into Vitamin D /flu shotsBTW   If you keep your 
Vit D level above 30  you really can't get cancerDoctors have no clue about 
Vit D ...During the warm months I get my sunlight for the "D".here in PA I 
take the D supplement from Nov til March/April .  It's hard to get a doctor to 
do a Vit D level test since they are brainwashed by your friendly Pharma .   
The test is 25-HydroxyvitaminD or 25[OH]D .    My D level was 98- high because 
I spend time outdoors at the shorehouse in Ocean City,NJ  from April til 
Oct..FYI   if you spend 20 minutes with skin exposed to sunlight ...you 
receive 10,000 units of D ...it's that simple. at 67 7/8 yrs old,I must be 
doing something right since I'm playing full court serious basketball with guys 
30,40,50 & 60 yrs old !! [2 @ 73]  
 
Have a happy & HEALTHY New Year everybody
Bob [ who just "Flex-Sealed" my 240D]     That story coming soon !!
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