Re: [MBZ] Tracing electrical wiring
It will work either way - it doesn't care which end is connected to what. I've heard them called a "toner" - puts a "tone" signal on the wire, and has a receiver to hear where it goes. Since it goes into conduit (I assume metal?), you'll need to go to all possible termination points to listen for the tone. One possibility that comes to mind is a big ventilation fan somewhere (since I just installed a small one in the hangar). On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:47 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:46:39 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I believe that there is a device that can be attached to the circuit > > that will put a high frequency signal on the wire, which then acts as a > > broadcast antenna. A separate device acting as a receiver can be used > > to trace the wire behind the wall. I don't know exactly what it's > > called or how expensive it is. Might be something you just hire an > > elechicken to do if it's a one-time need. > > I thought those were for finding which breaker controls which outlet, > with the transmitter on the outlet end of the wiring and the receiver > scanned over the breakers in the breaker panel. > > That is the opposite problem of the one I am trying to solve. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracing electrical wiring
Do it the old way? Turn on all the lights and plug a light into every outlet then leave it on and turn all the other breakers off and them look for what still works. Or turn it off and all the others on and see what doesn't work. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: In looking at the breaker box in the building here for possible installation of a 30 A breaker, I found there already is one installed. The wires which connect to it go up to the top of the breaker box and disappear into a thimble which connects to a piece of conduit (I think) which goes I know not where. I want to find out where the wires which connect to the 30 A breaker go. The breaker chart inside the door is of no help, because those spaces are marked "spare". Any suggestions on how to find out where in this 10,000 ft^2 commercial building they do go? Thank you, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracing electrical wiring
If the circuit squealer doesn't work (you should have one anyway), maybe a metal-detector will? 'Gold-hunt' your way to the end of the conduit? Won't work if there's other conduit at the start point, unless you can open the wall enough to find out where it starts to go. Or if your building has metal studs. But, what kind of load needs a 30A 220V (?) feed? Do some head-scratching first? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracing electrical wiring
It might not be an outlet, might be in a box or connected to some equipment. Conduit of BX might block the signal, I don’t know. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Aug 27, 2022, at 12:12 AM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 23:01:15 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Hook it to the conductor coming off the breaker and walk around with >> the rcvr, or chase it away from the breaker box through the walls. > > When tracing which breaker connects to which outlet, one puts the > receiver quite close (even on) the breaker. How would that work with wire > inside a conduit or BX cable? > > > Craig > >>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:46:39 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> I believe that there is a device that can be attached to the circuit that will put a high frequency signal on the wire, which then acts as a broadcast antenna. A separate device acting as a receiver can be used to trace the wire behind the wall. I don't know exactly what it's called or how expensive it is. Might be something you just hire an elechicken to do if it's a one-time need. >>> >>> I thought those were for finding which breaker controls which outlet, >>> with the transmitter on the outlet end of the wiring and the receiver >>> scanned over the breakers in the breaker panel. >>> >>> That is the opposite problem of the one I am trying to solve. >>> >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > > > Craig > > -- > Present: '80 300SD 180 kmi > '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville 230 kmi > (the Big Red Van, BRV) > '00 Kenworth W900 Helmut 943 kmi > > Past: '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo 354 kmi > '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo 265 kmi RIP > '07 Peterbilt 386 Bruno 885 kmi > '95 E320 Sebastian 135 kmi RIP > '94 E420 Oskar 127 kmi RIP > '82 240D/3.0 Bluebell 286 kmi > '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP > '86 190E/2.3 > '72 220/8 > '61 Willys Utility Wagon > '59 Willys Utility Wagon > '67 Volkswagen Fastback > '64 190Dc Emma > '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi > '69 Lotus Europa > '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale > '59 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spyder Veloce > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracing electrical wiring
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 23:01:15 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > Hook it to the conductor coming off the breaker and walk around with > the rcvr, or chase it away from the breaker box through the walls. When tracing which breaker connects to which outlet, one puts the receiver quite close (even on) the breaker. How would that work with wire inside a conduit or BX cable? Craig > > On Aug 26, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:46:39 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >> I believe that there is a device that can be attached to the circuit > >> that will put a high frequency signal on the wire, which then acts > >> as a broadcast antenna. A separate device acting as a receiver can > >> be used to trace the wire behind the wall. I don't know exactly what > >> it's called or how expensive it is. Might be something you just hire > >> an elechicken to do if it's a one-time need. > > > > I thought those were for finding which breaker controls which outlet, > > with the transmitter on the outlet end of the wiring and the receiver > > scanned over the breakers in the breaker panel. > > > > That is the opposite problem of the one I am trying to solve. > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > Craig -- Present: '80 300SD 180 kmi '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville 230 kmi (the Big Red Van, BRV) '00 Kenworth W900 Helmut 943 kmi Past: '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo 354 kmi '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo 265 kmi RIP '07 Peterbilt 386 Bruno 885 kmi '95 E320 Sebastian 135 kmi RIP '94 E420 Oskar 127 kmi RIP '82 240D/3.0 Bluebell 286 kmi '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '61 Willys Utility Wagon '59 Willys Utility Wagon '67 Volkswagen Fastback '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi '69 Lotus Europa '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale '59 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spyder Veloce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracing electrical wiring
Hook it to the conductor coming off the breaker and walk around with the rcvr, or chase it away from the breaker box through the walls. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Aug 26, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:46:39 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I believe that there is a device that can be attached to the circuit >> that will put a high frequency signal on the wire, which then acts as a >> broadcast antenna. A separate device acting as a receiver can be used >> to trace the wire behind the wall. I don't know exactly what it's >> called or how expensive it is. Might be something you just hire an >> elechicken to do if it's a one-time need. > > I thought those were for finding which breaker controls which outlet, > with the transmitter on the outlet end of the wiring and the receiver > scanned over the breakers in the breaker panel. > > That is the opposite problem of the one I am trying to solve. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracing electrical wiring
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:46:39 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > I believe that there is a device that can be attached to the circuit > that will put a high frequency signal on the wire, which then acts as a > broadcast antenna. A separate device acting as a receiver can be used > to trace the wire behind the wall. I don't know exactly what it's > called or how expensive it is. Might be something you just hire an > elechicken to do if it's a one-time need. I thought those were for finding which breaker controls which outlet, with the transmitter on the outlet end of the wiring and the receiver scanned over the breakers in the breaker panel. That is the opposite problem of the one I am trying to solve. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracing electrical wiring
I believe that there is a device that can be attached to the circuit that will put a high frequency signal on the wire, which then acts as a broadcast antenna. A separate device acting as a receiver can be used to trace the wire behind the wall. I don't know exactly what it's called or how expensive it is. Might be something you just hire an elechicken to do if it's a one-time need. On Fri, Aug 26, 2022, at 20:38, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > In looking at the breaker box in the building here for possible > installation of a 30 A breaker, I found there already is one installed. > The wires which connect to it go up to the top of the breaker box and > disappear into a thimble which connects to a piece of conduit (I think) > which goes I know not where. > > I want to find out where the wires which connect to the 30 A breaker go. > > The breaker chart inside the door is of no help, because those spaces are > marked "spare". > > Any suggestions on how to find out where in this 10,000 ft^2 commercial > building they do go? > > Thank you, > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tracing electrical wiring
In looking at the breaker box in the building here for possible installation of a 30 A breaker, I found there already is one installed. The wires which connect to it go up to the top of the breaker box and disappear into a thimble which connects to a piece of conduit (I think) which goes I know not where. I want to find out where the wires which connect to the 30 A breaker go. The breaker chart inside the door is of no help, because those spaces are marked "spare". Any suggestions on how to find out where in this 10,000 ft^2 commercial building they do go? Thank you, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
