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On Mar 30, 2006, at 9:37 PM, OK Don wrote: Isn't that a George Carlin quote? Its a question I asked out of curiosity. I suppose he could have too. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:42:33 -0500 John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Craig McCluskey wrote: > > > You open the refrigerator door and see everything else standing > > there with > > their hands up and the sour cream holding a pistol, robbing them at > > gunpoint. > > > > > > > > Craig > > That's bad. It's also not original; I saw it in a Far Side cartoon. Craig
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Isn't that a George Carlin quote? > > How does one know when sour cream has gone bad? > > Johnny B. > I Mac Therefore I am -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
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On Mar 30, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Brian Chase wrote: Yes! That seems a very reasonable solution! What gets me is that in my Saab, the ignition is down there. Yeah it's nice to be different, but the junk that can fall into there... The kicker is that my dealer-installed sunroof drips slightly and guess where it drips down into? Brian Great! Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Craig McCluskey wrote: You open the refrigerator door and see everything else standing there with their hands up and the sour cream holding a pistol, robbing them at gunpoint. Craig That's bad. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Oh, I forgot to include sour cream content: Does anyone else mix up sour cream and cream cheese, or on a bad day, whipped cream, when they're trying to think of the right product? Brian On 3/30/06, Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes! That seems a very reasonable solution! What gets me is that in my Saab, > the ignition is down there. Yeah it's nice to be different, but the junk > that can fall into there... The kicker is that my dealer-installed sunroof > drips slightly and guess where it drips down into? > > Brian > 83 240D > 84 Saab 900 > > > > Skins like those used to protect keyboards would be a handy item in > >such a situation. Duct taping saran wrap over them would serve the > >same purpose, especially if wood-grained tape can be had. > > > >Johnny B. > >I Mac Therefore I am > > > >___ > >http://www.striplin.net > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > _ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > >
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Yes! That seems a very reasonable solution! What gets me is that in my Saab, the ignition is down there. Yeah it's nice to be different, but the junk that can fall into there... The kicker is that my dealer-installed sunroof drips slightly and guess where it drips down into? Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 Skins like those used to protect keyboards would be a handy item in such a situation. Duct taping saran wrap over them would serve the same purpose, especially if wood-grained tape can be had. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Red or green lumps! How Christmasy! (Johnny is making a joke... but, really, there IS a difference, just like when yogurt goes bad [although ironically the fact that it's already "spoiled" in a sense DOES make it last longer].) Alex Chamberlain, who has made yogurt from scratch for the fun of it '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper On 3/30/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It'll grow red or green lumps on top. It'll also smell something bad, > unlike normal sour cream. > > ~ > ~On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:36 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > ~ > ~> That's a good name for it. Although other sticky colloids and > ~> suspensions > ~> can be almost as bad, e.g. sour cream. DO NOT ASK how I know! ;) > ~> > ~> Alex Chamberlain > ~ > ~ How does one know when sour cream has gone bad? > ~ > ~Johnny B.
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How does one know when sour cream has gone bad? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am It has mold growing on it. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:29:39 -0500 John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:36 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > > That's a good name for it. Although other sticky colloids and > > suspensions > > can be almost as bad, e.g. sour cream. DO NOT ASK how I know! ;) > > > > Alex Chamberlain > > How does one know when sour cream has gone bad? You open the refrigerator door and see everything else standing there with their hands up and the sour cream holding a pistol, robbing them at gunpoint. Craig
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It'll grow red or green lumps on top. It'll also smell something bad, unlike normal sour cream. ~ ~On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:36 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: ~ ~> That's a good name for it. Although other sticky colloids and ~> suspensions ~> can be almost as bad, e.g. sour cream. DO NOT ASK how I know! ;) ~> ~> Alex Chamberlain ~ ~ How does one know when sour cream has gone bad? ~ ~Johnny B. ~I Mac Therefore I am ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:36 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: That's a good name for it. Although other sticky colloids and suspensions can be almost as bad, e.g. sour cream. DO NOT ASK how I know! ;) Alex Chamberlain How does one know when sour cream has gone bad? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:19 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: The thing about the Pepsi syndrome vs switches in horizontal locations is that the goo has no place to go once it gets in there. That's why I usually just take 'em out and clean them out thoroughly. -- Jim Skins like those used to protect keyboards would be a handy item in such a situation. Duct taping saran wrap over them would serve the same purpose, especially if wood-grained tape can be had. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On 3/29/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The thing about the Pepsi syndrome vs switches in horizontal > locations is that the goo has no place to go once it gets in > there. > That's a good name for it. Although other sticky colloids and suspensions can be almost as bad, e.g. sour cream. DO NOT ASK how I know! ;) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
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Interesting note on the hazards: When I switch them on, only the right side blinks (F and R). The way to get all four going at once is to switch the hazards on, then turn the L side turn signals on. You need to open that puppy up and clean it out, or replace it. It's still acting up. Or soak it in some more contact cleaner and operate the snot out of it. The thing about the Pepsi syndrome vs switches in horizontal locations is that the goo has no place to go once it gets in there. That's why I usually just take 'em out and clean them out thoroughly. -- Jim
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Very pleasant news this evening! The signals started working great! It didn't take many flicks of the hazard switch to affect a change. What a great feeling to have them working again for no money and no work! (my kind of repair). Thanks for the reminder that operating the hazard switch can affect it. Interesting note on the hazards: When I switch them on, only the right side blinks (F and R). The way to get all four going at once is to switch the hazards on, then turn the L side turn signals on. Brian 83 240D On 3/28/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'll try turning the dimmer and hoping. Is removing it a bear? > > Two screws, once you have the cluster out. And that's not > usually too hard either. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
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I'll try turning the dimmer and hoping. Is removing it a bear? Two screws, once you have the cluster out. And that's not usually too hard either. -- Jim
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Ah! yes, its up on the cluster. Surprising the things that I forget. Maybe it's all this college-knowledge I'm trying to cram into my brain. Actually it's that I'm keeping so busy with other things that I haven't really "gotten to know" my new 240D yet. I'll try turning the dimmer and hoping. Is removing it a bear? Brian 83 240D On 3/27/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Try turning the hazard switch on and off 30-50 times! The dimmer for the > dash lights is on the cluster just below the gauges on the right side I > think. If not then it's the one on the left side. > > Jeff Zedic > Toronto > 87 300TD > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
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Yeah, that seems funny to me too, but it happened. So you're saying that the hazards operating is essentially the hazard switch telling it to run both turn signals at once? And when this happens, the input from the turn sigs. is negated, or has no effect? Exactly. Reading the schematic for your car should show you how it has to work. (There are variations on how they did it, but they're all substantially the same. The big difference is whether the [single] flasher is integrated with the hazard switch or not.) -- Jim
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Try turning the hazard switch on and off 30-50 times! The dimmer for the dash lights is on the cluster just below the gauges on the right side I think. If not then it's the one on the left side. It's the one (on the left) that makes the nasty scrapey/scratchey sound when you twist it. -- Jim
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If it is the same as my '81 300SD it is the same button that resets the trip mileage. A rheostat that burned out on me the first time I turned it - had to replace [bought a cheap cluster from a 560 and swapped it out. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turn Signals Out Yeah, that seems funny to me too, but it happened. So you're saying that the hazards operating is essentially the hazard switch telling it to run both turn signals at once? And when this happens, the input from the turn sigs. is negated, or has no effect? Not trying to make things difficult, just trying to get clues into my non-electrical-saavy mind. Actually, while I was playing around with the buttons and levers, there was a noticeable hesitation at one point - a half a second or so when nothing happened, then the hazards came on. Something was slightly amiss there, it seems to me, anyway, that a contact was dirty, or there was not enough voltatge being delivered or received. I'm just glad to have seen the flashing lights - it gives me something to chew on. Hey, ALSO: The dash light dimmer rings a bell for me. Where exactly is that located? I don't have the manual CD near me. Wait, isn't the dimmer switch, in the console toward the rear? I ask because I think it's fallen down into it, so I haven't seen it for a while. Haven't had time to tinker with the vehicle much yet. It's the rheostat, yes? Some of it's coming back to me now. Brian 83 240D On 3/27/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I went out this a.m. and hit the hazards, and got some reaction - > > they work normally, and if I hit the right side turn sigs. while the > > hazards are on, they work (the left stop blinking when I do this in > > other words). > > Huh? When the hazards are on the turn signal lever should be > inoperative. This 'logic' (if you will) is entirely inside the hazard > switch. Try disassembling and cleaning it. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Try turning the hazard switch on and off 30-50 times! The dimmer for the dash lights is on the cluster just below the gauges on the right side I think. If not then it's the one on the left side. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
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Yeah, that seems funny to me too, but it happened. So you're saying that the hazards operating is essentially the hazard switch telling it to run both turn signals at once? And when this happens, the input from the turn sigs. is negated, or has no effect? Not trying to make things difficult, just trying to get clues into my non-electrical-saavy mind. Actually, while I was playing around with the buttons and levers, there was a noticeable hesitation at one point - a half a second or so when nothing happened, then the hazards came on. Something was slightly amiss there, it seems to me, anyway, that a contact was dirty, or there was not enough voltatge being delivered or received. I'm just glad to have seen the flashing lights - it gives me something to chew on. Hey, ALSO: The dash light dimmer rings a bell for me. Where exactly is that located? I don't have the manual CD near me. Wait, isn't the dimmer switch, in the console toward the rear? I ask because I think it's fallen down into it, so I haven't seen it for a while. Haven't had time to tinker with the vehicle much yet. It's the rheostat, yes? Some of it's coming back to me now. Brian 83 240D On 3/27/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I went out this a.m. and hit the hazards, and got some reaction - they > > work normally, and if I hit the right side turn sigs. while the > > hazards are on, they work (the left stop blinking when I do this in > > other words). > > Huh? When the hazards are on the turn signal lever should > be inoperative. This 'logic' (if you will) is entirely > inside the hazard switch. Try disassembling and cleaning > it. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
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I went out this a.m. and hit the hazards, and got some reaction - they work normally, and if I hit the right side turn sigs. while the hazards are on, they work (the left stop blinking when I do this in other words). Huh? When the hazards are on the turn signal lever should be inoperative. This 'logic' (if you will) is entirely inside the hazard switch. Try disassembling and cleaning it. -- Jim
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Try fixing grounds. I had similar problems with an old Ford that my younger son was driving last summer. I finally resolved the problem after doing all of the other stuff like changing bulbs and sockets, by attaching a new ground wire at each corner between the harness and the frame. No more issues so far. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turn Signals Out Huh. Too bad these things are so cranky. That's not very nice. I went out this a.m. and hit the hazards, and got some reaction - they work normally, and if I hit the right side turn sigs. while the hazards are on, they work (the left stop blinking when I do this in other words). Brian 83 240d On 3/27/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was having problems with my blinker [even after changing the blinker fluid > twice]. Contact cleaner, many on-off cycles, new blinker made no difference > and was returned. Nothing worked, but after all of the efforts - and finally > giving up for a time - it just stopped the malfunction [blinker constantly > on]. Don't know if that sort of delayed reaction is common, but after you > have done all the stuff that should work a couple of times perhaps just > giving it a rest would help? For my SD, bad habits seem hard to break. > BillR > Jacksonville FL > 1981 300SD 273k > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Jim Cathey > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:10 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turn Signals Out > > > I also should ask: The turn signals, which my bro. got to work for me > > by (I > > think) removing and cleaning, or just messing with, that little box > > located near the shifter - well, they're not working anymore. > > Incidentally the dash lights are also out. I changed the fuse - no > > help. I have unplugged that box (what's its name?) and plugged it back > > in and just sort of flogged it lightly, but no help. What would y'all > > do? > > You messed with the hazard switch, and the instrument lamp dimmer. Both are > cranky old farts, and are now punishing you. > Mess with them some more until they remember what they are for. > > > Could a burnt out bulb cause the signals to fail altogether? > > No. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used > parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Huh. Too bad these things are so cranky. That's not very nice. I went out this a.m. and hit the hazards, and got some reaction - they work normally, and if I hit the right side turn sigs. while the hazards are on, they work (the left stop blinking when I do this in other words). Brian 83 240d On 3/27/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was having problems with my blinker [even after changing the blinker fluid > twice]. Contact cleaner, many on-off cycles, new blinker made no difference > and was returned. Nothing worked, but after all of the efforts - and finally > giving up for a time - it just stopped the malfunction [blinker constantly > on]. Don't know if that sort of delayed reaction is common, but after you > have done all the stuff that should work a couple of times perhaps just > giving it a rest would help? For my SD, bad habits seem hard to break. > BillR > Jacksonville FL > 1981 300SD 273k > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Jim Cathey > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:10 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turn Signals Out > > > I also should ask: The turn signals, which my bro. got to work for me > > by (I > > think) removing and cleaning, or just messing with, that little box > > located near the shifter - well, they're not working anymore. > > Incidentally the dash lights are also out. I changed the fuse - no > > help. I have unplugged that box (what's its name?) and plugged it back > > in and just sort of flogged it lightly, but no help. What would y'all > > do? > > You messed with the hazard switch, and the instrument lamp dimmer. Both are > cranky old farts, and are now punishing you. > Mess with them some more until they remember what they are for. > > > Could a burnt out bulb cause the signals to fail altogether? > > No. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used > parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
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I was having problems with my blinker [even after changing the blinker fluid twice]. Contact cleaner, many on-off cycles, new blinker made no difference and was returned. Nothing worked, but after all of the efforts - and finally giving up for a time - it just stopped the malfunction [blinker constantly on]. Don't know if that sort of delayed reaction is common, but after you have done all the stuff that should work a couple of times perhaps just giving it a rest would help? For my SD, bad habits seem hard to break. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 273k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turn Signals Out > I also should ask: The turn signals, which my bro. got to work for me > by (I > think) removing and cleaning, or just messing with, that little box > located near the shifter - well, they're not working anymore. > Incidentally the dash lights are also out. I changed the fuse - no > help. I have unplugged that box (what's its name?) and plugged it back > in and just sort of flogged it lightly, but no help. What would y'all > do? You messed with the hazard switch, and the instrument lamp dimmer. Both are cranky old farts, and are now punishing you. Mess with them some more until they remember what they are for. > Could a burnt out bulb cause the signals to fail altogether? No. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I also should ask: The turn signals, which my bro. got to work for me by (I think) removing and cleaning, or just messing with, that little box located near the shifter - well, they're not working anymore. Incidentally the dash lights are also out. I changed the fuse - no help. I have unplugged that box (what's its name?) and plugged it back in and just sort of flogged it lightly, but no help. What would y'all do? You messed with the hazard switch, and the instrument lamp dimmer. Both are cranky old farts, and are now punishing you. Mess with them some more until they remember what they are for. Could a burnt out bulb cause the signals to fail altogether? No. -- Jim
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:49:12 -0600 "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also should ask: The turn signals, which my bro. got to work for me by > (I think) removing and cleaning, or just messing with, that little box > located near the shifter - well, they're not working anymore. > Incidentally the dash lights are also out. I changed the fuse - no help. > I have unplugged that box (what's its name?) and plugged it back in and > just sort of flogged it lightly, but no help. What would y'all do? > > Could a burnt out bulb cause the signals to fail alltogether? Probably > not - just thinking aloud. > > I noticed the signals not working the day after we messed around with > the various lights, trying out the fog lamps, and the left and right > solid indicators (for lack of a better term) - etc. This made me think > we'd blown a fuse, but it doesn't look like it's the case. Try working the hazard switch on-and-off several times and then turn it off solidly. Craig
[MBZ] Turn Signals Out
I also should ask: The turn signals, which my bro. got to work for me by (I think) removing and cleaning, or just messing with, that little box located near the shifter - well, they're not working anymore. Incidentally the dash lights are also out. I changed the fuse - no help. I have unplugged that box (what's its name?) and plugged it back in and just sort of flogged it lightly, but no help. What would y'all do? Could a burnt out bulb cause the signals to fail alltogether? Probably not - just thinking aloud. I noticed the signals not working the day after we messed around with the various lights, trying out the fog lamps, and the left and right solid indicators (for lack of a better term) - etc. This made me think we'd blown a fuse, but it doesn't look like it's the case. Brian 83 240D
