Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think red?
Well there is mention of 'new air conditioning' whether this refers to a top up, who knows Hendrik who is not allowed to top up AC systems On 14/08/13 12:12, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I do like that burlwood dash and the CLEAN engine bay. Almost droolworthy, even though I didn't see a reference to ICE COLD AC. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah this looks a better buy http://tampa.craigslist.org/** hil/cto/3989184443.htmlhttp://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/3989184443.html Hendrik who used to have red car but it wasn't sporty ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:04 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: The R129 does seem nice and modern, in the style of the W201 and w124. Issue I would have is that they boogered them up with electronics and disintegrating wire harness. Just too many bells, whistles, and flashing lights to go wrong. Haven't paid attention to the R129, but it seems like you spend four figures fixing up the hydraulics on a R170 every five years or so. I bet a used R170 is a lot more likely to have undisclosed hydraulic issues than a wagon with SLS. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
I don't think the first R129's had the folding hardtop, but I can't find a definitive answer in a quick search. The R129 is based on the W124 and has many interchangable parts. from Wikipedia (YMMV): Designed in 1984, the R129 was based on the shortened floorpan of the Mercedes-Benz W124 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W124[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_R129#cite_note-autogenerated1-2and featured many innovative details for the time, for instance electronically controlled damping (optional) and a hidden, automatically extending roll-over bar. The R107's rather dated rear diagonal swing axle gave way to a modern multi-link axle. The number of standard features was high, with electric action for the windows, mirrors, seats and convertible top. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:04 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: The R129 does seem nice and modern, in the style of the W201 and w124. Issue I would have is that they boogered them up with electronics and disintegrating wire harness. Just too many bells, whistles, and flashing lights to go wrong. Haven't paid attention to the R129, but it seems like you spend four figures fixing up the hydraulics on a R170 every five years or so. I bet a used R170 is a lot more likely to have undisclosed hydraulic issues than a wagon with SLS. Mitch. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
I don't think the first R129's had the folding hardtop, I didn't think _any_ of them did. Thought that showed up with the SLK. Just like 113 (?) and 107, it has both a folding soft top and a separate drop-on hard top. The R107's rather dated rear diagonal swing axle Say what? 107's got the same IRS system as everything else since the 114/115. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think 10k?
If it was red with a beige interior, also the rust is a worry, just how much is there? Hendrik who thinks a sports car should be red On 13/08/13 00:16, Allan Streib wrote: You might be right if it started without ether and was drivable. Until then, it's a project with all the speculative costs that entails. A $10K car doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to start and run well. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 09:18 AM, [1]dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are brutal. That's easily a 10K car with torn seats and all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think red?
Yeah this looks a better buy http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/3989184443.html Hendrik who used to have red car but it wasn't sporty On 13/08/13 00:37, Dan Penoff wrote: It wouldn't be a $10k car in this market if it did start and run on its own. 1980s vintage SLs are a dime a dozen around here, and the prices are all over the map. Search the Tampa Bay CL for SLs and you'll see everything from beaters that need things like windshields to crazy dealers asking upwards of $20k for bizarre canary yellow models in marginal shape. The decent ones seem to cluster around the $5k-$9k range. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think red?
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I do like that burlwood dash and the CLEAN engine bay. Almost droolworthy, even though I didn't see a reference to ICE COLD AC. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah this looks a better buy http://tampa.craigslist.org/** hil/cto/3989184443.htmlhttp://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/3989184443.html Hendrik who used to have red car but it wasn't sporty On 13/08/13 00:37, Dan Penoff wrote: It wouldn't be a $10k car in this market if it did start and run on its own. 1980s vintage SLs are a dime a dozen around here, and the prices are all over the map. Search the Tampa Bay CL for SLs and you'll see everything from beaters that need things like windshields to crazy dealers asking upwards of $20k for bizarre canary yellow models in marginal shape. The decent ones seem to cluster around the $5k-$9k range. Dan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think red?
I do like that burlwood dash and the CLEAN engine bay. Almost droolworthy, even though I didn't see a reference to ICE COLD AC. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah this looks a better buy http://tampa.craigslist.org/** hil/cto/3989184443.htmlhttp://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/3989184443.html Hendrik who used to have red car but it wasn't sporty On 13/08/13 00:37, Dan Penoff wrote: It wouldn't be a $10k car in this market if it did start and run on its own. 1980s vintage SLs are a dime a dozen around here, and the prices are all over the map. Search the Tampa Bay CL for SLs and you'll see everything from beaters that need things like windshields to crazy dealers asking upwards of $20k for bizarre canary yellow models in marginal shape. The decent ones seem to cluster around the $5k-$9k range. Dan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
You guys are brutal. That's easily a 10K car with torn seats and all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I would offer him 2-3k On 8/11/2013 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
You might be right if it started without ether and was drivable. Until then, it's a project with all the speculative costs that entails. A $10K car doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to start and run well. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 09:18 AM, [1]dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are brutal. That's easily a 10K car with torn seats and all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [2]ka...@striplin.net wrote: I would offer him 2-3k On 8/11/2013 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. [3]http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-f s-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan References 1. mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:ka...@striplin.net 3. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am going to sell my car to Dimitri, since he is compassionate about its value. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: You might be right if it started without ether and was drivable. Until then, it's a project with all the speculative costs that entails. A $10K car doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to start and run well. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 09:18 AM, [1]dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are brutal. That's easily a 10K car with torn seats and all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [2]ka...@striplin.net wrote: I would offer him 2-3k On 8/11/2013 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. [3]http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-f s-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan References 1. mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:ka...@striplin.net 3. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
It wouldn't be a $10k car in this market if it did start and run on its own. 1980s vintage SLs are a dime a dozen around here, and the prices are all over the map. Search the Tampa Bay CL for SLs and you'll see everything from beaters that need things like windshields to crazy dealers asking upwards of $20k for bizarre canary yellow models in marginal shape. The decent ones seem to cluster around the $5k-$9k range. Dan On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: You might be right if it started without ether and was drivable. Until then, it's a project with all the speculative costs that entails. A $10K car doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to start and run well. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 09:18 AM, [1]dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are brutal. That's easily a 10K car with torn seats and all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [2]ka...@striplin.net wrote: I would offer him 2-3k On 8/11/2013 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. [3]http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-f s-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan References 1. mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:ka...@striplin.net 3. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
Oh. I didn't realize that it's a non-runner. 3K is still way too low. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: You might be right if it started without ether and was drivable. Until then, it's a project with all the speculative costs that entails. A $10K car doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to start and run well. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 09:18 AM, [1]dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are brutal. That's easily a 10K car with torn seats and all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [2]ka...@striplin.net wrote: I would offer him 2-3k On 8/11/2013 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. [3]http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-f s-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan References 1. mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:ka...@striplin.net 3. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
Ok what car are we talking about? I'm referring to the 300SEL 4.5. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: It wouldn't be a $10k car in this market if it did start and run on its own. 1980s vintage SLs are a dime a dozen around here, and the prices are all over the map. Search the Tampa Bay CL for SLs and you'll see everything from beaters that need things like windshields to crazy dealers asking upwards of $20k for bizarre canary yellow models in marginal shape. The decent ones seem to cluster around the $5k-$9k range. Dan On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: You might be right if it started without ether and was drivable. Until then, it's a project with all the speculative costs that entails. A $10K car doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to start and run well. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 09:18 AM, [1]dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are brutal. That's easily a 10K car with torn seats and all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [2]ka...@striplin.net wrote: I would offer him 2-3k On 8/11/2013 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. [3]http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-f s-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan References 1. mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:ka...@striplin.net 3. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
Sorry. Thought you were referring to the original subject car. Dan On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:10 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok what car are we talking about? I'm referring to the 300SEL 4.5. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: It wouldn't be a $10k car in this market if it did start and run on its own. 1980s vintage SLs are a dime a dozen around here, and the prices are all over the map. Search the Tampa Bay CL for SLs and you'll see everything from beaters that need things like windshields to crazy dealers asking upwards of $20k for bizarre canary yellow models in marginal shape. The decent ones seem to cluster around the $5k-$9k range. Dan On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: You might be right if it started without ether and was drivable. Until then, it's a project with all the speculative costs that entails. A $10K car doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to start and run well. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 09:18 AM, [1]dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are brutal. That's easily a 10K car with torn seats and all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [2]ka...@striplin.net wrote: I would offer him 2-3k On 8/11/2013 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. [3]http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-f s-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan References 1. mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:ka...@striplin.net 3. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok what car are we talking about? I'm referring to the 300SEL 4.5. 1986 560SL with hard top and torn soft top. Had fuel leak. Replaced everything but the fuel pump, still leaks so he assumes the pump is bad. Won't start on its own which makes me fearful of the fuel distributor, warm up regulator, and/or cold start valve. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You must mean the monthly fuel bill for it?? (c: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com You guys are brutal. That's easily a 10K car with torn seats and all. I would offer him 2-3k On 8/11/2013 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
The R129 does seem nice and modern, in the style of the W201 and w124. Issue I would have is that they boogered them up with electronics and disintegrating wire harness. Just too many bells, whistles, and flashing lights to go wrong. clay On Aug 11, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Larry T wrote: at least you'll find outhow negotiable the price really is. It does sound like lot of work -- and these cars are not very easy to work on with very expensive parts. Also consider the cost of labor - even if you can do some yourself, most people can't -- I suggest you add labor and material to do all the work needed -- no matter what, it will only be worth 12-15K if in spectacular condition - they don't seem to bring much more unless _/pristine/_. Also, there are an awful lot of those cars around - If it were me I'd wait for a next generation SL as they look much more modern than the w107 chassis.Not sure about the late 80s but the earlier 450SLs didn't get very good mileag - a consideration in the day of $5/gal gas.unless you're independently wealthy. ;-) Good Luck -- Larry 91 300D On 8/11/2013 6:19 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I was thinking $1500. If he bites, I would do it. There's nothing there that's so bad as to make it a money pit. I'm not taking any bets, however. I think the big deal killer is that it's not currently driveable. That will take it out of a lot of people's consideration unless they're nearby. That is the one thing I'm betting on. Dan On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Allan Streib wrote: If you want it... can't hurt to ask. But if he says yes you are sorta obligated, at least the way I look at things. Allan Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:04 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: The R129 does seem nice and modern, in the style of the W201 and w124. Issue I would have is that they boogered them up with electronics and disintegrating wire harness. Just too many bells, whistles, and flashing lights to go wrong. Aren't the R129 retractable tops notoriously troublesome? I seem to recall dozens of hydraulic cylinders, umpteen servos, and a cranky computer running the whole show. I suppose you could just keep the hardtop on the whole time. It looks pretty good as a coupe. But then why not just buy a 300CE, unless you just have to have more than six cylinders? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Whaddya Think?
I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would offer him 2-3k On 8/11/2013 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
If you want it... can't hurt to ask. But if he says yes you are sorta obligated, at least the way I look at things. Allan Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
I was thinking $1500. If he bites, I would do it. There's nothing there that's so bad as to make it a money pit. I'm not taking any bets, however. I think the big deal killer is that it's not currently driveable. That will take it out of a lot of people's consideration unless they're nearby. That is the one thing I'm betting on. Dan On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Allan Streib wrote: If you want it... can't hurt to ask. But if he says yes you are sorta obligated, at least the way I look at things. Allan Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think?
I highly doubt he will take it. Usually they have to get 3 or 4 people offering them that sort of money then they start figuring out that's what they will get and take the next offer that comes along. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I was thinking $1500. If he bites, I would do it. There's nothing there that's so bad as to make it a money pit. I'm not taking any bets, however. I think the big deal killer is that it's not currently driveable. That will take it out of a lot of people's consideration unless they're nearby. That is the one thing I'm betting on. Dan On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Allan Streib wrote: If you want it... can't hurt to ask. But if he says yes you are sorta obligated, at least the way I look at things. Allan Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Very true. However, this is Dad's old car and Dad isn't around any more, nor does there appear to be any sort of sentiment in his effort to sell. Looks like it's taking up driveway space. I sent him a rather detailed note with my concerns and the justification for my offer. If anything, he shouldn't be offended. You can read between the lines in his very detailed description that deep down he knows this is a project car. Around here it' s worth maybe $5000 if it was in good running condition. Right now you can't move it out of the driveway without hitting it with a shot of ether. And if he is offended, well, TS. Dan On Aug 11, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I highly doubt he will take it. Usually they have to get 3 or 4 people offering them that sort of money then they start figuring out that's what they will get and take the next offer that comes along. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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at least you'll find outhow negotiable the price really is. It does sound like lot of work -- and these cars are not very easy to work on with very expensive parts. Also consider the cost of labor - even if you can do some yourself, most people can't -- I suggest you add labor and material to do all the work needed -- no matter what, it will only be worth 12-15K if in spectacular condition - they don't seem to bring much more unless _/pristine/_. Also, there are an awful lot of those cars around - If it were me I'd wait for a next generation SL as they look much more modern than the w107 chassis.Not sure about the late 80s but the earlier 450SLs didn't get very good mileag - a consideration in the day of $5/gal gas.unless you're independently wealthy. ;-) Good Luck -- Larry 91 300D On 8/11/2013 6:19 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I was thinking $1500. If he bites, I would do it. There's nothing there that's so bad as to make it a money pit. I'm not taking any bets, however. I think the big deal killer is that it's not currently driveable. That will take it out of a lot of people's consideration unless they're nearby. That is the one thing I'm betting on. Dan On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Allan Streib wrote: If you want it... can't hurt to ask. But if he says yes you are sorta obligated, at least the way I look at things. Allan Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: I should pull a Kleb and offer the guy $1000 for the car? It's about 20 miles away from me. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1725653-fs-1986-560sl.html#post5901291 He'll never get anything close to the $6900 he tossed out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know why people get offended by lowball offers. If someone make me an offer that is too low, I just say sorry, I can't accept that. It's just an offer... not a personal insult! What does annoy me is if somone says something like would you take $1,500 and then if I say yes, they backpedal and say something like they are still looking around or want to think about it. I now ask are you offering to buy it right now for that price? before I answer. Also if I am buying I don't talk about price until I am ready to actually buy the car. Allan Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: Very true. However, this is Dad's old car and Dad isn't around any more, nor does there appear to be any sort of sentiment in his effort to sell. Looks like it's taking up driveway space. I sent him a rather detailed note with my concerns and the justification for my offer. If anything, he shouldn't be offended. You can read between the lines in his very detailed description that deep down he knows this is a project car. Around here it' s worth maybe $5000 if it was in good running condition. Right now you can't move it out of the driveway without hitting it with a shot of ether. And if he is offended, well, TS. Dan On Aug 11, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I highly doubt he will take it. Usually they have to get 3 or 4 people offering them that sort of money then they start figuring out that's what they will get and take the next offer that comes along. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think cheapskate?
The M117 engine is pretty good, except that the timing chain guides need to replaced every now and then. This is a KE-jetronic (CIS/E) car, maybe the fuel pump relay going wonky? However it is a reliable system and reasonably simple. Of concern is the 'corrosion' on the engine, looks like it was near nasty stuff, like acid rain. Hate the colour of the interior, I thought they got rid of those colours back in the 70's. Rust! Like an iceberg, you only see the tip of it and rust repair is expensive. Yeah basically if that SL was rust free and had no issues then yeah 6-7k is about right but not in this state, soft top has tear, seats are dried out. Looks to me like it was not loved much. To make this a worthwhile thing, you gotta be able to do the work to get it up to a decent standard yourself. How much is a decent paint job these days? Do you know anything about the KE system? Do you know a good indie who knows these cars? Hendrik who does not own a SL On 12/08/13 08:51, Allan Streib wrote: I don't know why people get offended by lowball offers. If someone make me an offer that is too low, I just say sorry, I can't accept that. It's just an offer... not a personal insult! What does annoy me is if somone says something like would you take $1,500 and then if I say yes, they backpedal and say something like they are still looking around or want to think about it. I now ask are you offering to buy it right now for that price? before I answer. Also if I am buying I don't talk about price until I am ready to actually buy the car. Allan Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: Very true. However, this is Dad's old car and Dad isn't around any more, nor does there appear to be any sort of sentiment in his effort to sell. Looks like it's taking up driveway space. I sent him a rather detailed note with my concerns and the justification for my offer. If anything, he shouldn't be offended. You can read between the lines in his very detailed description that deep down he knows this is a project car. Around here it' s worth maybe $5000 if it was in good running condition. Right now you can't move it out of the driveway without hitting it with a shot of ether. And if he is offended, well, TS. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think cheapskate?
I have a third generation (yes, that's third!) MB indie in town. The father (still living), two sons and a grandson or two are the business. They have forgotten more than the local stealerships will ever know. When I had my W112 the old man used to get the giggles whenever I brought it in, because he knew the chassis so well and rarely ever saw them. I can deal with all of the issues it has, except paint. and to be honest I would ignore it. From what the guy is describing the car sat for an extended time under a non-breathable cover in a shaded area (probably a car port.) This will almost always result in the failure of the clear coat, leaving it a milky color that won't come out. No fix for that short of a repaint. The interior is scary, but color resolution in digital photos is not all that great, so I wouldn't worry tht it's as bad as it looks. Dan On Aug 11, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: The M117 engine is pretty good, except that the timing chain guides need to replaced every now and then. This is a KE-jetronic (CIS/E) car, maybe the fuel pump relay going wonky? However it is a reliable system and reasonably simple. Of concern is the 'corrosion' on the engine, looks like it was near nasty stuff, like acid rain. Hate the colour of the interior, I thought they got rid of those colours back in the 70's. Rust! Like an iceberg, you only see the tip of it and rust repair is expensive. Yeah basically if that SL was rust free and had no issues then yeah 6-7k is about right but not in this state, soft top has tear, seats are dried out. Looks to me like it was not loved much. To make this a worthwhile thing, you gotta be able to do the work to get it up to a decent standard yourself. How much is a decent paint job these days? Do you know anything about the KE system? Do you know a good indie who knows these cars? Hendrik who does not own a SL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whaddya Think cheapskate?
Well that sounds good then, guess all you can do is put your hat in the ring and see what happens, personally I would prefer a 420SL, 560 is overkilll for places with speed limits. Hendrik who has the lowly 6 banger family truck On 12/08/13 10:19, Dan Penoff wrote: I have a third generation (yes, that's third!) MB indie in town. The father (still living), two sons and a grandson or two are the business. They have forgotten more than the local stealerships will ever know. When I had my W112 the old man used to get the giggles whenever I brought it in, because he knew the chassis so well and rarely ever saw them. I can deal with all of the issues it has, except paint. and to be honest I would ignore it. From what the guy is describing the car sat for an extended time under a non-breathable cover in a shaded area (probably a car port.) This will almost always result in the failure of the clear coat, leaving it a milky color that won't come out. No fix for that short of a repaint. The interior is scary, but color resolution in digital photos is not all that great, so I wouldn't worry tht it's as bad as it looks. Dan On Aug 11, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: The M117 engine is pretty good, except that the timing chain guides need to replaced every now and then. This is a KE-jetronic (CIS/E) car, maybe the fuel pump relay going wonky? However it is a reliable system and reasonably simple. Of concern is the 'corrosion' on the engine, looks like it was near nasty stuff, like acid rain. Hate the colour of the interior, I thought they got rid of those colours back in the 70's. Rust! Like an iceberg, you only see the tip of it and rust repair is expensive. Yeah basically if that SL was rust free and had no issues then yeah 6-7k is about right but not in this state, soft top has tear, seats are dried out. Looks to me like it was not loved much. To make this a worthwhile thing, you gotta be able to do the work to get it up to a decent standard yourself. How much is a decent paint job these days? Do you know anything about the KE system? Do you know a good indie who knows these cars? Hendrik who does not own a SL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
