Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There is a utility in Windows 8 called “takeown” that can be invoked from the 
command line to do this.  I’m not sure if it’s in Windows 7.

Looks like it’s there:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc753024.aspx

-D


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 20:35:26 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I know I'm late to the party here, but what would be wrong with going
>> in and applying more or less wide open (read and write) permissions to
>> the whole volume?  Wouldn't that allow the files to be read by pretty
>> much anyone/anything regardless of OS?
> 
> Yes, I had that thought, too.
> 
> In Cygwin, I can do it easily with a Unix command. That, however, doesn't
> correct the problem with the Win OS itself not being able to read the
> files.
> 
> Is there a way to do that in Win 7 that doesn't involve handling each
> file and directory individually?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 20:35:26 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I know I'm late to the party here, but what would be wrong with going
> in and applying more or less wide open (read and write) permissions to
> the whole volume?  Wouldn't that allow the files to be read by pretty
> much anyone/anything regardless of OS?

Yes, I had that thought, too.

In Cygwin, I can do it easily with a Unix command. That, however, doesn't
correct the problem with the Win OS itself not being able to read the
files.

Is there a way to do that in Win 7 that doesn't involve handling each
file and directory individually?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I know I'm late to the party here, but what would be wrong with going in and 
applying more or less wide open (read and write) permissions to the whole 
volume?  Wouldn't that allow the files to be read by pretty much 
anyone/anything regardless of OS?

I've done this in Windows, Mac OS and various flavors of Linux when necessary 
due to problems with file or directory ownership.

-D

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> FYI - I'm running the latest Ubuntu on an HP Elitebook 2730p.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 02:33:02 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't personally know for sure if it will allow installation of Linux,
>> but I think I have seen a web page which says it's possible. Our laptop is
>> an HP Elitebook 8460p, product number QU892US#ABA.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

FYI - I'm running the latest Ubuntu on an HP Elitebook 2730p.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 02:33:02 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> I don't personally know for sure if it will allow installation of Linux,
> but I think I have seen a web page which says it's possible. Our laptop is
> an HP Elitebook 8460p, product number QU892US#ABA.
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Craig wrote:

> Perhaps we should take further discussion off list

Works for me - but do others who are lurking care to follow along?

Regarding your email issue - what about using Samba on the desktop
to allow a network mount of the directories?  Either Win7 "windows
networking" mount the Linux desktop (which I do and know is pretty
easy) or have Linux mount the Win7 "network shared" directories
(which I know can be done but don't do it enough to remember how)

Or, can you use cygwin to change the permissions of the email
directory so Win7 can write?

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > But if the issue is just avoiding Gnome3 - why Gnome at all?  I
> > pretty much gave up on Gnome when Gnome2 came out.
> 
> Because my wife, who for the most part has learned to use her
> login on our Linux system, is accustomed to Gnome 2.

Sound to me like MATE would be a good choice.  I chose not to
because (for not particular reason) I questioned whether MATE
would be around long term.  As of now, I see no evidence of it
fading away.

I had already used XFCE4 for a few situations so I shifted to
that.  I administer a bunch of computers and the users on all of
them seem to have made the shift without problems.  

I also quite using gdm (gnome's graphical login) and am usually
using lightdm.  This has resulted in not having a user-switcher
for multiple users on one computer to have a GUI to switch from
one users login to another.  I have found no solution for
lightdm.  For the system where it was important, I am using KDE's
display manager, kdm.  With the help of a bash script (and
a .desktop file to make it a graphical button) I have a non-gnome
solution.  

That was probably un-necessary since gdm can be used with _any_
desktop environment such as XFCE4 or OpenBox.  At that point I was
just so irritated with GNOME I avoided all the GNOME stuff I
could. *smiles*

> > With Gnome3 I am actively avoiding it.  I now generally
> > install XFCE4 for most users.  Or LXDE if you like the looks
> > of MS Win. 
> 
> I despise the looks of MS Win on a Linux system -- I use the
> command line extensively and don't want my background picture
> cluttered with a lot of useless stuff;

I'd say you are a good candidate for OpenBox.  No desktop icons.
None.  Right-click on the desktop if you want a menu.  I have
custom keyboard shortcuts to open gmrun, roxterm (my current choice
in xterm), and emacs so effectively I never use the menu.  

gmrun is a linux-style "run" prompt with tab completion and
history.  I use it for opening GUI programs.

With OpenBox, there is no auto-mounting of drives, or "folders" to
double-click on to open a file manager.  I consider those to be
features - but most of the users on the system I take care of feel
otherwise. :)

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 02:33:02 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I inferred that the laptop was preventing the install of Linux.  A
> VBox guest would avoid that issue.

I don't personally know for sure if it will allow installation of Linux,
but I think I have seen a web page which says it's possible. Our laptop is
an HP Elitebook 8460p, product number QU892US#ABA.


> But if the issue is just avoiding Gnome3 - why Gnome at all?  I
> pretty much gave up on Gnome when Gnome2 came out.

Because my wife, who for the most part has learned to use her login on
our Linux system, is accustomed to Gnome 2.


> With Gnome3 I am actively avoiding it.  I now generally install XFCE4
> for most users.  Or LXDE if you like the looks of MS Win. 

I despise the looks of MS Win on a Linux system -- I use the command
line extensively and don't want my background picture cluttered with a
lot of useless stuff; that's the reason why I am actively avoiding Gnome 3
and why we are still using CentOS 5.12.


> While not actually Gnome2, MATE and Cinnamon are effectively forks
> of Gnome2 but are current, though not especially lightweight. 

Gnome 2 is not especially lightweight, either, but that's not a problem
since I have 219 GB unused on the laptop's disk.


> Part of the beauty (or problem) with Linux is the abundance of
> choices.  There are LOTS of options other than Gnome3, so don't
> let a problem with Gnome3 prevent you from using Linux!

Yes, Sir!


> Personally, I run X from my own .xsession file, use OpenBox as the
> window manager, and don't use ANY session manager. But I'm also a
> very heavy command line user and like it if I don't have to use a
> mouse, and am not bothered by a lack of automatic stuff like
> mounting drives, setting up networks, launching programs, etc.

I see. Perhaps we should take further discussion off list.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Craig wrote:
> > > 
> > > I wouldn't, except I haven't taken the time to figure out
> > > how to get a current version of Linux running with Gnome 2
> > > either on the laptop or the desktop, so we are stuck for now
> > > with Win 7 on the laptop.

> > fmiser wrote:
> > 
> > How about Virtualbox with a Linux guest.
> > 
> > Yeah, it's backwards - but it should work...

> Craig wrote:
> 
> But what would running a Linux guest in Virtualbox on the Win 7
> laptop gain me? I still need to get a tolerable UI in Linux, and
> Gnome 3 is NOT it.

I inferred that the laptop was preventing the install of Linux.  A
VBox guest would avoid that issue.

But if the issue is just avoiding Gnome3 - why Gnome at all?  I
pretty much gave up on Gnome when Gnome2 came out.  With Gnome3 I
am actively avoiding it.  I now generally install XFCE4 for most
users.  Or LXDE if you like the looks of MS Win. 

While not actually Gnome2, MATE and Cinnamon are effectively forks
of Gnome2 but are current, though not especially lightweight. 

Or even KDE is better than Gnome right now. (I think)

Or go really light with Enlightenment or Open/Black/Fluxbox.

Or try Sugar, developed for OLPC XO-1 (One Laptop Per Child). It's
- well, different.

Part of the beauty (or problem) with Linux is the abundance of
choices.  There are LOTS of options other than Gnome3, so don't
let a problem with Gnome3 prevent you from using Linux!

Personally, I run X from my own .xsession file, use OpenBox as the
window manager, and don't use ANY session manager. But I'm also a
very heavy command line user and like it if I don't have to use a
mouse, and am not bothered by a lack of automatic stuff like
mounting drives, setting up networks, launching programs, etc.

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 13:21:35 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Craig wrote:
> > 
> > I wouldn't, except I haven't taken the time to figure out how to
> > get a current version of Linux running with Gnome 2 either on
> > the laptop or the desktop, so we are stuck for now with Win 7 on
> > the laptop.
> 
> How about Virtualbox with a Linux guest.
> 
> Yeah, it's backwards - but it should work...

But what would running a Linux guest in Virtualbox on the Win 7 laptop
gain me? I still need to get a tolerable UI in Linux, and Gnome 3 is NOT
it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 10:58:05 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Why copy them?  Leave the USB mounted and read the files from the USB,
> but all new emails or changes should be saved to a new folder to
> synchronize back to the Linux.

The USB is an externally-powered hard disk that needs 120 VAC for its
power supply -- not exactly useful with a laptop.

Synchronizing back to Linux IS NOT the problem. rsync on Cygwin takes care
of that just fine.

Synchronizing from Linux to Win 7 IS the problem.


Craig



> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> >
> > My problem is not transferring files from the Win 7 laptop to the
> > Linux desktop; that works well with rsync in Cygwin.
> >
> > My problem is getting ready for another trip and updating the Win 7
> > laptop with the changed files and directories from the Linux desktop.
> >
> > I guess I could do as I originally did, update the files on the ext3
> > USB disk and then use the Win 7 application that reads from (but not
> > writes to) the ext3 USB disk to put the emails and directories on the
> > Win 7 laptop, but that, as far as I know, requires deleting all the
> > emails and directories from the laptop and copying all of them from
> > the ext3 USB disk, which takes a LONG time (I currently have 1140
> > directories and 70812 files, which take up 4.2 gigabytes).

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Craig wrote:

> Before we went to Texas, I updated all of my email files -- all
> 1140 directories with 70805 files -- from our Linux system onto
> a USB disk and then copied them (with a program that reads Linux
> disks) onto our Win 7 laptop.
> 
> I then proceeded to use the laptop while we were in Texas.

> When I came home, I wanted to update our Linux system with the
> now-changed files and directories. I installed Cygwin on the
> laptop. With it, I was able to delete the directories whose
> names ended with a dot. I was also able to use rsync synchronize
> some of the emails with the Linux desktop.

If you do this often, look at "unison". I use it heavily to keep
system synchronized.

> I have gotten the mail directories in a confused
> state such that Sylpheed running in Win 7 cannot write to the
> directories.
> 
> I thought perhaps using scp to copy all the email directories
> and files anew from the Linux desktop to the Win 7 would solve
> the problem, so I renamed the top email directory and ran scp to
> perform the copy.

scp will retain permissions.  I really don't know how permissions
are handled on NTFS and how Cygwin will translate them.

> After it finished the copy, I tried Sylpheed again. It still
> cannot write to the directory
> 
> Is there some way to fix this mess? Hopefully easy?

What file system is on the USB stick?  FAT32 does not have
permissions.  That should be rwx for all files.  When putting them
back onto Linux, you can pass options to the mount command to set
the uid and gid.

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Rick wrote:
> >
> > I can lend no assistance whatsoever.  
> > That said, I can, however comment.
> > (and this applies to Kaleb's recent thread, too)
> > 
> > "Friends don't let friends use M$ Windows."

> Craig wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't, except I haven't taken the time to figure out how to
> get a current version of Linux running with Gnome 2 either on
> the laptop or the desktop, so we are stuck for now with Win 7 on
> the laptop.

How about Virtualbox with a Linux guest.

Yeah, it's backwards - but it should work...

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I have Windows 3.1  I loaded it in 1996 ... as soon as it's done
loading, I plan to update to a later version...

;))

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:52 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I was a late adopter of Windows - waited until 3.1. I think I've only
> skipped one or two versions since then. Didn't get into the servers until
> 3.5. Almost all of the problems I've had were application related, not the
> OS. This includes managing a network of 8000+ PCs at 80+ locations with
> 150+ servers, and migrating them from W95 through W7. Very few problems
> other than the applications we wrote in house.
> The publications unit hired a bunch of new staff who demanded MACs - they
> were a pain to support and constantly had issues with their machines - more
> than the Windows users per capita, but then again, they were "special"
> people, being artists and all.
>
> I also run Ubuntu (now) for fun and since my free MSDN licenses dried up
> when I retired on a laptop. It updates as often or more so than the M$
> machines, and has more in-expected issues that require re-boots to cure
> (reading encrypted USB sticks).
>
> YMMV.
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > So who do you think is helping you when you have Windows problems? The
> > other users who find the issues and make reports to Microsoft thats who.
> If
> > there was no user community there would be minimal support. Of course if
> it
> > worked better it wouldn't need support.
> > I installed Win7 on this laptop and it had Mal-ware within days, mostly
> > from Facebook. I'd installed Microsoft Security Essentials which did
> > nothing, Malwarebytes did nothing. Finally installed Symantec which we
> have
> > a corporate license for and the problems went away.
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, September 6, 2017, 1:30:53 PM EDT, rogerhga--- via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >  I've always found that you only need an "active user community" when you
> > have a complex product or one with diverse problems/issues. Simple and
> > relatively stable products don't really need user communities. As a user
> > since the 80's, I've never had to consult a user community for
> assistance.
> > So, stick with what works for you, but try not to trash everything else
> > that might work just fine for others.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com
> >
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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[OK Don via Mercedes]

I was a late adopter of Windows - waited until 3.1. I think I've only
skipped one or two versions since then. Didn't get into the servers until
3.5. Almost all of the problems I've had were application related, not the
OS. This includes managing a network of 8000+ PCs at 80+ locations with
150+ servers, and migrating them from W95 through W7. Very few problems
other than the applications we wrote in house.
The publications unit hired a bunch of new staff who demanded MACs - they
were a pain to support and constantly had issues with their machines - more
than the Windows users per capita, but then again, they were "special"
people, being artists and all.

I also run Ubuntu (now) for fun and since my free MSDN licenses dried up
when I retired on a laptop. It updates as often or more so than the M$
machines, and has more in-expected issues that require re-boots to cure
(reading encrypted USB sticks).

YMMV.

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So who do you think is helping you when you have Windows problems? The
> other users who find the issues and make reports to Microsoft thats who. If
> there was no user community there would be minimal support. Of course if it
> worked better it wouldn't need support.
> I installed Win7 on this laptop and it had Mal-ware within days, mostly
> from Facebook. I'd installed Microsoft Security Essentials which did
> nothing, Malwarebytes did nothing. Finally installed Symantec which we have
> a corporate license for and the problems went away.
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2017, 1:30:53 PM EDT, rogerhga--- via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  I've always found that you only need an "active user community" when you
> have a complex product or one with diverse problems/issues. Simple and
> relatively stable products don't really need user communities. As a user
> since the 80's, I've never had to consult a user community for assistance.
> So, stick with what works for you, but try not to trash everything else
> that might work just fine for others.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

So who do you think is helping you when you have Windows problems? The other 
users who find the issues and make reports to Microsoft thats who. If there was 
no user community there would be minimal support. Of course if it worked better 
it wouldn't need support.
I installed Win7 on this laptop and it had Mal-ware within days, mostly from 
Facebook. I'd installed Microsoft Security Essentials which did nothing, 
Malwarebytes did nothing. Finally installed Symantec which we have a corporate 
license for and the problems went away.
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017, 1:30:53 PM EDT, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I've always found that you only need an "active user community" when you have 
a complex product or one with diverse problems/issues. Simple and relatively 
stable products don't really need user communities. As a user since the 80's, 
I've never had to consult a user community for assistance. So, stick with what 
works for you, but try not to trash everything else that might work just fine 
for others. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

I've always found that you only need an "active user community" when you have a 
complex product or one with diverse problems/issues. Simple and relatively 
stable products don't really need user communities. As a user since the 80's, 
I've never had to consult a user community for assistance. So, stick with what 
works for you, but try not to trash everything else that might work just fine 
for others. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Why copy them?  Leave the USB mounted and read the files from the USB, but
all new emails or changes should be saved to a new folder to synchronize
back to the Linux.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> My problem is not transferring files from the Win 7 laptop to the Linux
> desktop; that works well with rsync in Cygwin.
>
> My problem is getting ready for another trip and updating the Win 7 laptop
> with the changed files and directories from the Linux desktop.
>
> I guess I could do as I originally did, update the files on the ext3 USB
> disk and then use the Win 7 application that reads from (but not writes
> to) the ext3 USB disk to put the emails and directories on the Win 7
> laptop, but that, as far as I know, requires deleting all the emails and
> directories from the laptop and copying all of them from the ext3 USB
> disk, which takes a LONG time (I currently have 1140 directories and
> 70812 files, which take up 4.2 gigabytes).
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 09:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On September 6, 2017 at 9:12 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Can you segregate all the changes (all the received and sent emails)
> > to the email directories from the trip, and copy them off to a USB? 
> 
> If it was me, and thunderbird, I'd make trip folders, search and move
> messages into them by date, get the new folders from the travel
> computer going on the home computer, and move the messages from the
> travel folders to the permanent folders from within T-Bird. 

My problem is not transferring files from the Win 7 laptop to the Linux
desktop; that works well with rsync in Cygwin.

My problem is getting ready for another trip and updating the Win 7 laptop
with the changed files and directories from the Linux desktop.

I guess I could do as I originally did, update the files on the ext3 USB
disk and then use the Win 7 application that reads from (but not writes
to) the ext3 USB disk to put the emails and directories on the Win 7
laptop, but that, as far as I know, requires deleting all the emails and
directories from the laptop and copying all of them from the ext3 USB
disk, which takes a LONG time (I currently have 1140 directories and
70812 files, which take up 4.2 gigabytes).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Windows is a looser!

--R


On 9/5/17 11:28 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

Those turned
out to be problematic with the Windows OS loosing track of them and not
being able to read or delete them.



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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 6, 2017 at 9:12 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Can you segregate all the changes (all the received and sent emails) to the
> email directories from the trip, and copy them off to a USB? 

If it was me, and thunderbird, I'd make trip folders, search and move messages 
into them by date, get the new folders from the travel computer going on the 
home computer, and move the messages from the travel folders to the permanent 
folders from within T-Bird. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Not exactly true, an active user community is what allows you quick answers to 
questions. A quality OS means you won't have that many problems.Other than a 
couple user questions (like trackpad shortcuts) I found the Mac easy to pick 
up. I've got a new Macbook Pro on order through my employer, it ought to be in 
any day now, I've only been waiting 6 weeks. Yay IT...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017, 9:20:06 AM EDT, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Well, you guys can complain all you want, but I've run Windows since it was an 
app on top of DOS. I've never had a problem that made me want to run to the odd 
stuff some of you guys are using. If you were only running Windows, you 
wouldn't be having these problems. I know Linux has an appeal and Macs have an 
appeal, but they are not mainstream. And mainstream allows you quick answers 
and fixes to problems. 
I wish you luck. 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Well, you guys can complain all you want, but I've run Windows since it was an 
app on top of DOS. I've never had a problem that made me want to run to the odd 
stuff some of you guys are using. If you were only running Windows, you 
wouldn't be having these problems. I know Linux has an appeal and Macs have an 
appeal, but they are not mainstream. And mainstream allows you quick answers 
and fixes to problems. 
I wish you luck. 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Can you segregate all the changes (all the received and sent emails) to the
email directories from the trip, and copy them off to a USB?  If you can
separate those and save them from the Win7 laptop, then only import those
to the Linux system?  In other words, use the old version that is still on
the Linux and just update that with changes from the trip, rather than
trying to copy all the files / directories back over to the Linux system.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:48:20 -0600 Craig  wrote:

>   "A computer with a Microsoft operating is like a dog
>  with bricks tied to its head."

Hit send too soon:

"A computer with a Microsoft operating system is like
 a dog with bricks tied to its head."


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:45:45 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 03:39:11 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > I can lend no assistance whatsoever.  
> > That said, I can, however comment.
> > (and this applies to Kaleb's recent thread, too)
> > 
> > "Friends don't let friends use M$ Windows."
> 
> I wouldn't, except I haven't taken the time to figure out how to get a
> current version of Linux running with Gnome 2 either on the laptop or
> the desktop, so we are stuck for now with Win 7 on the laptop.


I'm guessing it has something to do with Win 7's Access Control Lists,
but I don't know how to fix those.


Craig

"A computer with a Microsoft operating is like a dog
 with bricks tied to its head."

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 03:39:11 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I can lend no assistance whatsoever.  
> That said, I can, however comment.
> (and this applies to Kaleb's recent thread, too)
> 
> "Friends don't let friends use M$ Windows."

I wouldn't, except I haven't taken the time to figure out how to get a
current version of Linux running with Gnome 2 either on the laptop or the
desktop, so we are stuck for now with Win 7 on the laptop.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I can lend no assistance whatsoever.  
That said, I can, however comment.
(and this applies to Kaleb's recent thread, too)

"Friends don't let friends use M$ Windows."


Rick
Whose SWMBO even uses Linux‎ 
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[MBZ] Window permissions problem -- Help!

[Craig via Mercedes]

Before we went to Texas, I updated all of my email files -- all 1140
directories with 70805 files -- from our Linux system onto a USB disk and
then copied them (with a program that reads Linux disks) onto our Win 7
laptop.

I then proceeded to use the laptop while we were in Texas. Since Sylpheed
is ported to both Linux and Windows, it worked well. The only problem I
had was with the directories whose names ended with a dot. Those turned
out to be problematic with the Windows OS loosing track of them and not
being able to read or delete them.

When I came home, I wanted to update our Linux system with the
now-changed files and directories. I installed Cygwin on the laptop. With
it, I was able to delete the directories whose names ended with a dot. I
was also able to use rsync synchronize some of the emails with the Linux
desktop.

When I wanted to copy the directories from the Linux desktop (with names
ending with a dot) I deleted from the laptop, I used a USB flash drive.
With that and with changing file permissions in Cygwin, I have gotten the
mail directories in a confused state such that Sylpheed running in Win 7
cannot write to the directories.

I thought perhaps using scp to copy all the email directories and files
anew from the Linux desktop to the Win 7 would solve the problem, so I
renamed the top email directory and ran scp to perform the copy.

After it finished the copy, I tried Sylpheed again. It still cannot write
to the directory

Is there some way to fix this mess? Hopefully easy?

Thanks,


Craig

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