Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

2005-6 were the Black Death model years as well as the intake manifold flaps. 
EGRs can also be an issue with these.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:02 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Weezurd tours a 2005 CDI.
> Seems like Woger used to say stay away from 2005, but I think that was mainly 
> about the SBC before the warranty enhancement.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pnuxtUGjak
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Weezurd tours a 2005 CDI.
Seems like Woger used to say stay away from 2005, but I think that was 
mainly about the SBC before the warranty enhancement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pnuxtUGjak

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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Thanks, I missed that.

Beats probably $1,000 for the conductor plate, especially if it’s got to be 
coded to the car.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 7:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> He said they came from the land of large women, so I assume they are made 
> from only the finest chinesium.
> 
> 
> Rick
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> 
> That was interesting. He didn’t say if the speed sensors were OE parts, 
> however. Since they sell the conductor plate as an assembly, I’m wondering if 
> they sell the sensors separately or those were aftermarket parts?
> 
> -D
> 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mrs Weezer needs ball joints on the ABC struts.
>> And...a 722.9 turbine speed sensor on the conductor plate.
>> 
>> It's worth watching for the conductor plate repair IMO.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5y3tX03qs
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

He said they came from the land of large women, so I assume they are made from 
only the finest chinesium.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

That was interesting. He didn’t say if the speed sensors were OE parts, 
however. Since they sell the conductor plate as an assembly, I’m wondering if 
they sell the sensors separately or those were aftermarket parts?

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 3:15 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Mrs Weezer needs ball joints on the ABC struts.
> And...a 722.9 turbine speed sensor on the conductor plate.
>
> It's worth watching for the conductor plate repair IMO.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5y3tX03qs
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That was interesting. He didn’t say if the speed sensors were OE parts, 
however. Since they sell the conductor plate as an assembly, I’m wondering if 
they sell the sensors separately or those were aftermarket parts?

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 3:15 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> Mrs Weezer needs ball joints on the ABC struts.
> And...a 722.9 turbine speed sensor on the conductor plate.
> 
> It's worth watching for the conductor plate repair IMO.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5y3tX03qs
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Mrs Weezer needs ball joints on the ABC struts.
And...a 722.9 turbine speed sensor on the conductor plate.

It's worth watching for the conductor plate repair IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5y3tX03qs

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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

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This is in my future so I am (not?) encouraged!  I would probably go 
with the rebuilds from TH and be done with it, probably not worth the 
time and bother associated with zylinder DIY rebuild.   And with the 
cars going upupup in value it would not be a bad expenditure to get it 
right.  Does not sound like a pleasant job but that's whatchagottado.


The German guy commenting on the vid made some interesting points about 
the wiring too -- apparently the biodegradable wiring was not a German 
gummint mandate but some cheap-out by MB with some suppliers of certain 
wiring, not all of the wires in the looms.  He also said there were at 
least 2 or 3 Euro suppliers for "new" looms.  i checked out one of them, 
and I think I had looked at another one, so there are parts out there.  
And again rewiring the looms is a DIY job but it is tricky and 
time-consuming.  I have not dug into the wiring yet but I am sure that 
and the throttle bodies are going to need some work.


I got the new rear spheres in but since I have the car up on blocks and 
the rad out I have not fired it up and pumped up the suspension system 
yet.  That will have to wait.


The joys of a 90s German supercar!  I am comforted it is not Italian 
with unobtanium parts.


--FT

On 4/14/22 11:01 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

So here’s what I have to say about R129 top cylinders:

1.) There are numerous suppliers of “kits” on eBay and elsewhere for seal 
replacement. While this allegedly is a simple job, as Floyd mentioned, even the 
slightest scratch on the chrome plated cylinder rods can permanently ruin them. 
That and there’s no telling how long the seals will last. This should be a once 
in a ownership job, ideally, and in my opinion, justifies the complete rebuild 
of the cylinders by a competent firm such as Top Hydraulics, who guarantees 
their work *and* provides excellent support. Not only that, but some 
components, such as the top locks in the top of the windshield frame, are 
easily damaged if you attempt to disassemble them, and also require careful 
alignment when reassembling for them to work correctly. Top Hydraulics aligns 
and adjusts them when they rebuild them, cutting down the time it takes to get 
everything working again after reassembly. Sure, it’s easily $800 (or more) for 
a complete cylinder rebuild depending on the model, but it cuts to the 
potential for future issues down to almost nothing. Not only that, but if you 
goof up a cylinder, you’re buying a new one, which will cost you more than what 
a rebuild of the complete set costs.

2.) R is an unpleasant job, mainly because you have to disassemble the back section 
of the interior. Other than that, it’s just a brute force, time consuming job that requires 
a lot of arm scratching gyrations to get to everything. Again, Top Hydraulics provides some 
really good documentation on R of the cylinders and what to watch out for, as there 
are some microswitches on the top frame that are critical to proper operation that are 
easily damaged or goofed up when R’ing if you’re not careful.

It takes all of a day to remove and another day to install. Again, it’s a lot of 
R that you can’t shortcut, you just have to take your time and do it 
properly. It’s not difficult nor does it require special tools, it just takes time.

-D


On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:

My car had a package of o-rings for the top zylinders in the trunk which suggests 
the top is inop.  I have had the hardtop off once but have not tried to raise the 
soft top. From what I read it is not hard to replace the o-rings, you just have to 
be careful not to scratch the metal and to get them in right. I think Dan said he 
did the R in like 10-12 hr. A lot of the time is pulling and replacing panels.

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
wrote:

On 2022-04-14 09:44, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
the 560 SEL.  See:
   http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010

I spent $9 on parts for it.  That was 12 years ago, and it's
still holding up.  (Not getting driven a lot, though.)

Somebody in the comments claimed that the parts to reseal the little latch 
cylinders in the windshield header were $2/per cylinder.

Hey Dan, was the weezurd's estimate of 10-11 hours to R all the cylinders 
reasonable, or can it be done quicker than that?

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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

So here’s what I have to say about R129 top cylinders:

1.) There are numerous suppliers of “kits” on eBay and elsewhere for seal 
replacement. While this allegedly is a simple job, as Floyd mentioned, even the 
slightest scratch on the chrome plated cylinder rods can permanently ruin them. 
That and there’s no telling how long the seals will last. This should be a once 
in a ownership job, ideally, and in my opinion, justifies the complete rebuild 
of the cylinders by a competent firm such as Top Hydraulics, who guarantees 
their work *and* provides excellent support. Not only that, but some 
components, such as the top locks in the top of the windshield frame, are 
easily damaged if you attempt to disassemble them, and also require careful 
alignment when reassembling for them to work correctly. Top Hydraulics aligns 
and adjusts them when they rebuild them, cutting down the time it takes to get 
everything working again after reassembly. Sure, it’s easily $800 (or more) for 
a complete cylinder rebuild depending on the model, but it cuts to the 
potential for future issues down to almost nothing. Not only that, but if you 
goof up a cylinder, you’re buying a new one, which will cost you more than what 
a rebuild of the complete set costs.

2.) R is an unpleasant job, mainly because you have to disassemble the back 
section of the interior. Other than that, it’s just a brute force, time 
consuming job that requires a lot of arm scratching gyrations to get to 
everything. Again, Top Hydraulics provides some really good documentation on 
R of the cylinders and what to watch out for, as there are some microswitches 
on the top frame that are critical to proper operation that are easily damaged 
or goofed up when R’ing if you’re not careful.

It takes all of a day to remove and another day to install. Again, it’s a lot 
of R that you can’t shortcut, you just have to take your time and do it 
properly. It’s not difficult nor does it require special tools, it just takes 
time.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My car had a package of o-rings for the top zylinders in the trunk which 
> suggests the top is inop.  I have had the hardtop off once but have not tried 
> to raise the soft top. From what I read it is not hard to replace the 
> o-rings, you just have to be careful not to scratch the metal and to get them 
> in right. I think Dan said he did the R in like 10-12 hr. A lot of the time 
> is pulling and replacing panels. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2022-04-14 09:44, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
>>> It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
>>> harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
>>> the 560 SEL.  See:
>>>   http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010
>>> 
>>> I spent $9 on parts for it.  That was 12 years ago, and it's
>>> still holding up.  (Not getting driven a lot, though.)
>> 
>> Somebody in the comments claimed that the parts to reseal the little latch 
>> cylinders in the windshield header were $2/per cylinder.
>> 
>> Hey Dan, was the weezurd's estimate of 10-11 hours to R all the cylinders 
>> reasonable, or can it be done quicker than that?
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

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My car had a package of o-rings for the top zylinders in the trunk which 
suggests the top is inop.  I have had the hardtop off once but have not tried 
to raise the soft top. From what I read it is not hard to replace the o-rings, 
you just have to be careful not to scratch the metal and to get them in right. 
I think Dan said he did the R in like 10-12 hr. A lot of the time is pulling 
and replacing panels. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-04-14 09:44, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
>> It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
>> harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
>> the 560 SEL.  See:
>>http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010
>> 
>> I spent $9 on parts for it.  That was 12 years ago, and it's
>> still holding up.  (Not getting driven a lot, though.)
> 
> Somebody in the comments claimed that the parts to reseal the little latch 
> cylinders in the windshield header were $2/per cylinder.
> 
> Hey Dan, was the weezurd's estimate of 10-11 hours to R all the cylinders 
> reasonable, or can it be done quicker than that?
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-04-14 09:44, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
the 560 SEL.  See:

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010


I spent $9 on parts for it.  That was 12 years ago, and it's
still holding up.  (Not getting driven a lot, though.)


Somebody in the comments claimed that the parts to reseal the little 
latch cylinders in the windshield header were $2/per cylinder.


Hey Dan, was the weezurd's estimate of 10-11 hours to R all the 
cylinders reasonable, or can it be done quicker than that?


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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
the 560 SEL.  See:

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010 


I spent $9 on parts for it.  That was 12 years ago, and it's
still holding up.  (Not getting driven a lot, though.)

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I engaged in discussions with the owner and some others in the comments. The 
owner says he knew the issues and was ok with the deal (more money than sense I 
guess) and that the weezurd gets a lot of views from the drama which makes 
sense. 

One guy, a German maybe, had interesting comments about the wire insulation 
issue. 

Mine in probably similar condition but better spec was $2250 which I think was 
quite reasonable but I can address the issues myself. It will take some dineros 
for parts and time buts that’s the deal with owning a 90s supercar. You know, 
being an inthoooseeass and all. 

—FT

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> On Apr 14, 2022, at 8:27 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> Mr Wizard checks out the faults in a R129.
> And explains why the $7500 price should have been more like $2700.
> 
> For starters, the roof hydraulics want to splooge all over you...
> 
> (which explains why pre purchase inspections beat post purchase inspections)
> 
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[MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Mr Wizard checks out the faults in a R129.
And explains why the $7500 price should have been more like $2700.

For starters, the roof hydraulics want to splooge all over you...

(which explains why pre purchase inspections beat post purchase 
inspections)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO0LM7WFWVw

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