Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-07 Thread Allan Streib
Lwb250  writes:

> I had a 1959 barn door panel van with the original 36 hp engine. Probably the 
> only vehicle I ever owned that a 240D could outrun.
>
> That being said, it was geared in a way that allowed it to do quite
> well off-road, along with the high ground clearance.

The diesel Vanagons reportedly do OK as urban cargo vans (parcel
delivery, etc) the gearing and low end torque plus moderate speed limits
are suitable for that.  For a van they are also really manuverable, they
have a surprisingly tight turning radius which is good for small
european side streets.  What kills the diesels in the Vanagon are when
people hold them at or above red-line trying to keep up with traffic on
the highway.

Allan

-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-07 Thread Lwb250
I had a 1959 barn door panel van with the original 36 hp engine. Probably the 
only vehicle I ever owned that a 240D could outrun.

That being said, it was geared in a way that allowed it to do quite well 
off-road, along with the high ground clearance.

And the only thing it *could* pass was a gas station...

Dan

Sent from my iPod

On Aug 7, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

We are talking about an engine that was really designed to pull around the 
Rabbit right? Sort of makes sense it wouldn't handle a Vanagon for very long.

The great Bob Hoover (not that Bob Hoover, the other one who is into aircooled 
VWs) said he loved the diesel Vanagons because they were the only thing slower 
than a split window VW bus.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:58:35 -0400
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D
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Mitch Haley  writes:

That's right Curt, Back in the 50's my father drove Mack diesels over
the road-he has always said to me about diesels- 'drive it as if you
stole it'. At 89 he still tells me that.

But if you do it to a Vanagon it blows up?

Yeah, a 1.5 liter, 50 hp VW diesel of that era is just not a robust
engine when you're asking it pull around a 4100 lb vehicle.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D



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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-07 Thread Curt Raymond
It'll smooth out after a week of proper hard runs. I'm convinced an "Italian 
Tune up" takes at least a week.
Actually I guess if you ran it hard for 300-400 miles straight you could do it 
in a day or two but its not a 20 mile thing...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 03:54:16 -0400
From: Walt Zarnoch 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D
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Bwahahaha! That's great! Going in reverse up a mountain. Priceless. I've got
images of clouds of smoke and 10 people pushing...

I wonder if my 617 will smooth out a bit once she gets a proper hard run in
her. Must try that after she gets transplanted for the second (and hopefully
final) time.

Walt

On Aug 6, 2010 11:21 PM, "Alex Chamberlain"  wrote:

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Yeah...
My parents drove one of the early 30-hp Microbuses all through the
'60s, and I seem to remember them talking about going over mountain
passes in the slow lane backwards because reverse was geared lower
than 1st.

Alex


  
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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-07 Thread Curt Raymond
We are talking about an engine that was really designed to pull around the 
Rabbit right? Sort of makes sense it wouldn't handle a Vanagon for very long.

The great Bob Hoover (not that Bob Hoover, the other one who is into aircooled 
VWs) said he loved the diesel Vanagons because they were the only thing slower 
than a split window VW bus.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:58:35 -0400
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D
Message-ID: 
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Mitch Haley  writes:

>> That's right Curt, Back in the 50's my father drove Mack diesels over
>> the road-he has always said to me about diesels- 'drive it as if you
>> stole it'. At 89 he still tells me that.
>
> But if you do it to a Vanagon it blows up?

Yeah, a 1.5 liter, 50 hp VW diesel of that era is just not a robust
engine when you're asking it pull around a 4100 lb vehicle.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D


  
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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-07 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Bwahahaha! That's great! Going in reverse up a mountain. Priceless. I've got
images of clouds of smoke and 10 people pushing...

I wonder if my 617 will smooth out a bit once she gets a proper hard run in
her. Must try that after she gets transplanted for the second (and hopefully
final) time.

Walt

On Aug 6, 2010 11:21 PM, "Alex Chamberlain"  wrote:

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Yeah...
My parents drove one of the early 30-hp Microbuses all through the
'60s, and I seem to remember them talking about going over mountain
passes in the slow lane backwards because reverse was geared lower
than 1st.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Yeah, a 1.5 liter, 50 hp VW diesel of that era is just not a robust
>> engine when you're asking it pull around a 4100 lb vehicle.
>
> Don't you mean 'push'?
>

My parents drove one of the early 30-hp Microbuses all through the
'60s, and I seem to remember them talking about going over mountain
passes in the slow lane backwards because reverse was geared lower
than 1st.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Mitch Haley

Allan Streib wrote:


Yeah, a 1.5 liter, 50 hp VW diesel of that era is just not a robust
engine when you're asking it pull around a 4100 lb vehicle.


Don't you mean 'push'?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Allan Streib
Mitch Haley  writes:

>> That's right Curt, Back in the 50's my father drove Mack diesels over
>> the road-he has always said to me about diesels- 'drive it as if you
>> stole it'. At 89 he still tells me that.
>
> But if you do it to a Vanagon it blows up?

Yeah, a 1.5 liter, 50 hp VW diesel of that era is just not a robust
engine when you're asking it pull around a 4100 lb vehicle.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Must not be a REAL diesel then? Don't know -I have blown up a couple VW
gassers of the 60's and 70's. 


Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 182K miles.
Wickford, RI


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 9:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
> That's right Curt, 
> Back in the 50's my father drove Mack diesels over the road-he has always
> said to me about diesels- 'drive it as if you stole  it'. At 89 he still
> tells me that. 

But if you do it to a Vanagon it blows up?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Mitch Haley

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
That's right Curt, 
Back in the 50's my father drove Mack diesels over the road-he has always

said to me about diesels- 'drive it as if you stole  it'. At 89 he still
tells me that. 


But if you do it to a Vanagon it blows up?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr

That's right Curt, 
Back in the 50's my father drove Mack diesels over the road-he has always
said to me about diesels- 'drive it as if you stole  it'. At 89 he still
tells me that. 
Dwight Giles

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 182K miles.
Wickford, RI
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 12:34 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

Translation: The engine is all carboned up and I expect it to stay that way.

An Italian tune up takes DAYS to work its magic. I've been driving Dwight's
'78 240D hard on my 60 mile daily commute. Its opened up a LOT in the last 4
days, hardly the same car now. Much more peppy, starts easier, idles much
smoother. I should hire myself out as an MB diesel tune up specialist.

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread LWB250
Yeah, it's called "excise tax."  Along with county "wheel tax," etc., etc.

Amazingly, it's less than it used to be, at least the way I recall it.

There are (legal) ways around this, too.  I just bought my son's car last month 
and only paid $41.00 to put it on the road (not including the 7% sales tax.)  
That's title and registration.

In September it gets titled in Florida for less than that.

Dan



--- On Fri, 8/6/10, Allan Streib  wrote:

> From: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 4:54 PM
> "j...@windwireless.net"
> 
> writes:
> 
> >>"The DMV won't believe you got it for less than
> $7500."
> >>Yes, I've heard that WA state DMV has certain
> revenue enhancement 
> > procedures in 
> >>place. Perhaps Mr. Cathey (or Gump's owner) could
> elaborate.
> >
> > Yes, a bill of sale is not adequate to establish
> value.  The DMV has a form 
> > that you both sign,
> >
> > use that instead of a bill of sale.
> 
> In Indiana, to transfer title you pay sales tax based on
> the bill of
> sale or stated sale price.  You also pay a yearly tax
> based on the value
> of the vehicle (determined by vehicle model and age, not
> sale price)
> which is part of the yearly registration renewal.
> 
> Allan
> 
> -- 
> 1983 300D
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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Mitch Haley

Allan Streib wrote:


In Indiana, to transfer title you pay sales tax based on the bill of
sale or stated sale price.  You also pay a yearly tax based on the value
of the vehicle (determined by vehicle model and age, not sale price)
which is part of the yearly registration renewal.


Same here in Michigan.
Our vehicle property tax goes down for three years and then stays there, with a 
3 year old car paying half of new, and a 24 year old car also paying half of 
new. At 25 years, you've got a pretty good incentive to license and insure it as 
a historic vehicle. If I were to license my 16v normally, the annual license fee 
would be more than the sales tax from when I bought it. So every year I license 
my 1977 Saab for $32, and then pay $8 to transfer the plate to the 2.3-16. Saves 
me about $95 that way, and the state has to give me a new plate every year. I 
don't make the rules, I just play by them.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Allan Streib
"j...@windwireless.net"  writes:

>>"The DMV won't believe you got it for less than $7500."
>>Yes, I've heard that WA state DMV has certain revenue enhancement 
> procedures in 
>>place. Perhaps Mr. Cathey (or Gump's owner) could elaborate.
>
> Yes, a bill of sale is not adequate to establish value.  The DMV has a form 
> that you both sign,
>
> use that instead of a bill of sale.

In Indiana, to transfer title you pay sales tax based on the bill of
sale or stated sale price.  You also pay a yearly tax based on the value
of the vehicle (determined by vehicle model and age, not sale price)
which is part of the yearly registration renewal.

Allan

-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:06 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> So, what's the e-mail address of the guy with the "slow" 240D; I'm wondering
> if he still has it.
>

sale-ycxb3-1875715...@craigslist.org   ---until the ad expires and he
posts a new one with a more reasonable price (though that doesn't seem
likely given the guy's attitude).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread WILTON
So, what's the e-mail address of the guy with the "slow" 240D; I'm wondering 
if he still has it.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D


I could do that, too.  We could start a corp. or something; you do the 
North part; I'll do the South part.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D


Translation: The engine is all carboned up and I expect it to stay that 
way.


An Italian tune up takes DAYS to work its magic. I've been driving 
Dwight's '78 240D hard on my 60 mile daily commute. Its opened up a LOT in 
the last 4 days, hardly the same car now. Much more peppy, starts easier, 
idles much smoother. I should hire myself out as an MB diesel tune up 
specialist.


-Curt

Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:00:48 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1875715587.html
"This is not a fast car. It was made to do 65 and under. I NEVER have
taken it over that and you shouldn?t either."



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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread WILTON
I could do that, too.  We could start a corp. or something; you do the North 
part; I'll do the South part.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D


Translation: The engine is all carboned up and I expect it to stay that way.

An Italian tune up takes DAYS to work its magic. I've been driving Dwight's 
'78 240D hard on my 60 mile daily commute. Its opened up a LOT in the last 4 
days, hardly the same car now. Much more peppy, starts easier, idles much 
smoother. I should hire myself out as an MB diesel tune up specialist.


-Curt

Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:00:48 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1875715587.html
"This is not a fast car. It was made to do 65 and under. I NEVER have
taken it over that and you shouldn?t either."



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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Translation: The engine is all carboned up and I expect it to stay that way.

An Italian tune up takes DAYS to work its magic. I've been driving Dwight's '78 
240D hard on my 60 mile daily commute. Its opened up a LOT in the last 4 days, 
hardly the same car now. Much more peppy, starts easier, idles much smoother. I 
should hire myself out as an MB diesel tune up specialist.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:00:48 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D
Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1875715587.html
"This is not a fast car. It was made to do 65 and under. I NEVER have
taken it over that and you shouldn?t either."


  
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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread j...@windwireless.net

>"The DMV won't believe you got it for less than $7500."
>Yes, I've heard that WA state DMV has certain revenue enhancement 
procedures in 
>place. Perhaps Mr. Cathey (or Gump's owner) could elaborate.

Yes, a bill of sale is not adequate to establish value.  The DMV has a form 
that you both sign,

use that instead of a bill of sale.

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-06 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Yes, that's right.  I used to cruise my 79 240D slush at 80-85 on I 95 all
the time-I always said it was a good mid lane car-the OM 602 turbo is fast
lane car. 
Now entrance ramps on an incline are another matter-the stick 240D handles
those quiet well. All 240D's require a bit of skill and a basic
understanding of gravity-esp. while cruising.
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D auto (Gone)
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 182K miles.
Wickford, RI
-Original Message-


Just what I was thinking... I wouldn't have thought there was a
slushbox 240D anywhere that needed an Italian tuneup (since they
pretty much get one at every green light)---but if there is, it's this
guy's.  The one time I drove a W123 240D, I remember it purring right
along at 75 or 80 on a flat freeway just fine... it just took a while
to get there!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-05 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Hendrik & Fay  wrote:
> Yeah, mao's 240D went better the further it climbed over 70, MB's are
> designed to be driven fast, even the Diesels like a good fang now and then.
>

Just what I was thinking... I wouldn't have thought there was a
slushbox 240D anywhere that needed an Italian tuneup (since they
pretty much get one at every green light)---but if there is, it's this
guy's.  The one time I drove a W123 240D, I remember it purring right
along at 75 or 80 on a flat freeway just fine... it just took a while
to get there!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-05 Thread Kevin kraly
Hahahaha sounds fun.

Kevin in hillsboro, oregon

-Original Message-
From: Rich Thomas 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

"Do not email me to ask if I still have the car. You may leave your 
information and I will call you. If you can’t come look at it yourself, 
I won’t sell it to you. Thanks! "

No, my friend, THANK YOU!!!  You will make me feel like a member of a 
very exclusive club!!!

How about everybody email him and ask if he still has the car?

--R

On 8/5/2010 10:00 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1875715587.html
> "This is not a fast car. It was made to do 65 and under. I NEVER have
> taken it over that and you shouldn’t either."
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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-05 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Yeah, mao's 240D went better the further it climbed over 70, MB's are 
designed to be driven fast, even the Diesels like a good fang now and then.


Hendrik
who has nerves of steel by breaking through the 65 barrier in a 240D

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Guy sounds like a real douche.

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On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1875715587.html
"This is not a fast car. It was made to do 65 and under. I NEVER have
taken it over that and you shouldn’t either."


  



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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-05 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Guy sounds like a real douche.

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On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1875715587.html
"This is not a fast car. It was made to do 65 and under. I NEVER have
taken it over that and you shouldn’t either."

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-05 Thread Mitch Haley

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1875715587.html
"This is not a fast car. It was made to do 65 and under. I NEVER have
taken it over that and you shouldn’t either."


"The DMV won't believe you got it for less than $7500."
Yes, I've heard that WA state DMV has certain revenue enhancement procedures in 
place. Perhaps Mr. Cathey (or Gump's owner) could elaborate.


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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-05 Thread Peter Frederick

Foo, it's go 85!  Downhill, maybe, but it'll get there!

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-05 Thread Rich Thomas
"Do not email me to ask if I still have the car. You may leave your 
information and I will call you. If you can’t come look at it yourself, 
I won’t sell it to you. Thanks! "


No, my friend, THANK YOU!!!  You will make me feel like a member of a 
very exclusive club!!!


How about everybody email him and ask if he still has the car?

--R

On 8/5/2010 10:00 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1875715587.html
"This is not a fast car. It was made to do 65 and under. I NEVER have
taken it over that and you shouldn’t either."

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[MBZ] extra-slow 240D

2010-08-05 Thread Alex Chamberlain
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1875715587.html
"This is not a fast car. It was made to do 65 and under. I NEVER have
taken it over that and you shouldn’t either."

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