Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Connie is a prayerful, careful driver...she's gonna have to learn to DRIVE IT LIKE SHE STOLE IT! Now THAT will be something to see! Chris --- Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will work fine as an errand vehicle (with the trap removed). Just make sure it gets a good Italian tuneup at least once every few tankfuls to clear out the carbon that WILL accumulate from periods of light throttle and/or stop go. :) -dm -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! uh...and driving one in the city extreme abuse! Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan for this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids and groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more miles of higway per capita than any other city, so you are always on a highway going somewhere...Also will use it for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is it going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle? Thanks, Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
And this would be your wife? On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Connie is a prayerful, careful driver...she's gonna have to learn to DRIVE IT LIKE SHE STOLE IT! Now THAT will be something to see! Chris --- Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will work fine as an errand vehicle (with the trap removed). Just make sure it gets a good Italian tuneup at least once every few tankfuls to clear out the carbon that WILL accumulate from periods of light throttle and/or stop go. :) -dm -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! uh...and driving one in the city extreme abuse! Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan for this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids and groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more miles of higway per capita than any other city, so you are always on a highway going somewhere...Also will use it for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is it going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle? Thanks, Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf ( http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
What is the German phrase for, When God told Adam and Eve to go forth and populate the earth, he wasn't giving you an assignment? Do not see this as your personal responsibility. I have but four words for you, Chris, having reared three kids, now age (guessing here about the oldest, I am bad in math) ... well, youngest is 18, biological kids were born 1976 and 1978 [do NOT say it!] ... CAR INSURANCE UNIVERSITY TUITION(s) Dude, you are screwed! Don On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which is cute...especially since it will mainly haul around my wife and 4 (soon to be 5) daughters. -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Yes: http://www.pictureblogger.com/album01/DSCN2202 She will just have to learn to floor it :-) Chris --- LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this would be your wife? On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Connie is a prayerful, careful driver...she's gonna have to learn to DRIVE IT LIKE SHE STOLE IT! Now THAT will be something to see! Chris --- Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will work fine as an errand vehicle (with the trap removed). Just make sure it gets a good Italian tuneup at least once every few tankfuls to clear out the carbon that WILL accumulate from periods of light throttle and/or stop go. :) -dm -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! uh...and driving one in the city extreme abuse! Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan for this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids and groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more miles of higway per capita than any other city, so you are always on a highway going somewhere...Also will use it for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is it going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle? Thanks, Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf ( http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Yes, wouldn't have even looked at it otherwise. Chris --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I assume it has the 3rd seat? Christopher McCann wrote: Apparently the man I bought it from's grand kids called it Little Red Riding Hood...which is cute...especially since it will mainly haul around my wife and 4 (soon to be 5) daughters. I have to say I'm partial to a German name...Ursula...? translation: kleine rot ___ __? Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Uh, yea, ... I think I've seen those pics. NOW, tell me how you are going to pay for car insurance on two Benz diesels and five TransAms. And do NOT fool yourself into thinking that any of your daughters will want Daddy's car! On 9/28/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes: http://www.pictureblogger.com/album01/DSCN2202 She will just have to learn to floor it :-) Chris --- LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this would be your wife? On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Connie is a prayerful, careful driver...she's gonna have to learn to DRIVE IT LIKE SHE STOLE IT! Now THAT will be something to see! Chris --- Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will work fine as an errand vehicle (with the trap removed). Just make sure it gets a good Italian tuneup at least once every few tankfuls to clear out the carbon that WILL accumulate from periods of light throttle and/or stop go. :) -dm -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! uh...and driving one in the city extreme abuse! Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan for this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids and groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more miles of higway per capita than any other city, so you are always on a highway going somewhere...Also will use it for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is it going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle? Thanks, Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf ( http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf ( http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
they are already programmed to want benzes...maybe an SLK700 by that time :-) PART TIME JOB. It's not like I invented the idea of a large family. I know lots of people who do it. Also, I get a raise with each additional kid...nice to work for a company with a (Catholic) conscience. Only thing I need to do is keep the $ coming in (I'm marketing), which I've increased 300% in the last 5 years. Chris --- LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, yea, ... I think I've seen those pics. NOW, tell me how you are going to pay for car insurance on two Benz diesels and five TransAms. And do NOT fool yourself into thinking that any of your daughters will want Daddy's car! On 9/28/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes: http://www.pictureblogger.com/album01/DSCN2202 She will just have to learn to floor it :-) Chris --- LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this would be your wife? On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Connie is a prayerful, careful driver...she's gonna have to learn to DRIVE IT LIKE SHE STOLE IT! Now THAT will be something to see! Chris --- Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will work fine as an errand vehicle (with the trap removed). Just make sure it gets a good Italian tuneup at least once every few tankfuls to clear out the carbon that WILL accumulate from periods of light throttle and/or stop go. :) -dm -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! uh...and driving one in the city extreme abuse! Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan for this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids and groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more miles of higway per capita than any other city, so you are always on a highway going somewhere...Also will use it for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is it going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle? Thanks, Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf ( http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf ( http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
I had almost the same symtoms. I have records from the previous owner but it doesn't show when the trap was replaced. I had a bad temp sensor in car (plus other issues) and managed to overheat the engine on the way home one time. That was enough to start the process of coolant loss. I was only using the 300TD to go back and forth to the bus stop so I lived with it for a while, but the clouds of white smoke in the cool mornings were really getting outrageous and so I went out and found a #17 head. I think I paid $850 + shipping from TN to PA. And that was my cheapest find and it took a while to locate. I'd pay attention to what Dave's saying. He may be overly cautious on this one, but you don't want to have to find a head, take it from me. ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k miles Dave M. said: My 617 also likes to keep some pressure in the system when cold, but it's not the 15-20psi that I observed with the 603 cracked heads. I wouldn't worry about it on a 61x engine, or even 601/602, unless there are other symptoms. On a 603 however I'd be monitoring the situation very closely. Some of you may remember Justin Dobbs from a previous MB email list, who had the perssure syndrome and ignored it, as most people do. About a year later it started using coolant and then hydrolocked. I think he ended up getting a used engine to swap in, something about damage to the block surface (I forget though.) I think I heard of nearly a dozen failed heads in the past 18 months or so, from the email list and various MB web forums. FWIW, a brand new head is about $1600 (wholesale) from Rusty... less than half that for a good used #17 head. =) -dm -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:01:21 -0700 From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! My '84 OM617 also maintains pressure in the cooling system for long periods, and it hasn't shown any signs of overheating or coolant loss to date. Until I observe some other signs of cooling system anomalies, I'll continue to happily drive both engine types like I stole em. MMMV unter Druck Casey Olympia, WA ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
I've heard of the #14 head issue...where do you look to find that #? I am HOPING that the a/c is simply a re-charge. He didn't drive it much...but am prepared for the worst. Chris --- Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:16:33PM -0700, Christopher McCann wrote: No rust (a little around the rear jack points), 145K miles, red. I couldn't believe how fast it accelerates. Incredibly smooth ride...excellent handling. Wow. Trap has been gutted. Bought from a farmer in IA (who drove it down to KC for me to look at it cuz it rained and he couldn't combine today). When I sell the van, he'll deliver it back on his flatbed trailer. He has been overhauling MB diesel engines for decades and used to do it for my local indy (subcontractes). He never overhauled the TD. Perfect interior except for the normal cracks in the wood around the gear selector and the ashtray has come out and I think might be missing some wood trim around it. A/C does not work, not sure if it needs recharged or if it's more serious - otherwise VERY nice. Will post a pic on my picture blogger once I get it in my possession and give it a good waxing. The two usual S124 warnings apply: fixing the AC will likely be expensive, and if you have a #14 head on that engine, you would do well to make sure your cooling system is up to snuff and that the engine doesn't clear 100 degrees C appreciably for risk of cracking the weak casted head. Cool find, hope it gives you years of good service. K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
From my archive -- Head model on 603 diesel engines: For the head question, look at the casting number near #2/#3 cylinder. Should be 603-016-xx-20 or something like that. If xx is 14, it's the old bad head. If 17, it's the newer head from a 3.5L. And if it's 22, it's a REALLY new head. Thanks, Wray, for saving me the trouble! ;) To clarify my previous post, if the head is number 17 or higher, it is the good, reinforced head. A number 15 or lower is the old, weak head. I have heard of 5 variations... 14 (1987 version), 15 (?), 17 (3.5L, 1990 to 1995), 20 (newer than 1995-ish), and 22 (last revision, AFAIK). I forget if number 15 exists or if it's a figment of my imagination, but the other 4 are real. The head I bought from Rusty in spring 2002 was a #22. - -dm :) Also - verify that the serpetine belt tensioning pulley is in line with the other pulleys. If not, repair before it pulls out of the front case. I don't remember the mileage, but the vacuum pump was improved because the original one could come apart and drop little parts into the engine. I don't remember the specifics of that though -- -- -- On 9/26/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard of the #14 head issue...where do you look to find that #? Chris -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Hey Chris...don't listen too much to the #14 head stories, its exagerated...My #14 head has gone to the overheating point a few times, for for what I was told was a bad thermostat. Ironically I was told in this forum by almost everyone that the reason i was overheating was because of my #14 head! Let me tell you that I don't treat my car nice...I make at least 3 trips to Vegas during the summer and I go as fast traffic permits with full blown AC...getting me really high up on the temp guage...my head and engine don't have any problems. P.S. a better bit of advise: oil those sun roof rails if your sunroof is working. On 9/26/05, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:16:33PM -0700, Christopher McCann wrote: No rust (a little around the rear jack points), 145K miles, red. I couldn't believe how fast it accelerates. Incredibly smooth ride...excellent handling. Wow. Trap has been gutted. Bought from a farmer in IA (who drove it down to KC for me to look at it cuz it rained and he couldn't combine today). When I sell the van, he'll deliver it back on his flatbed trailer. He has been overhauling MB diesel engines for decades and used to do it for my local indy (subcontractes). He never overhauled the TD. Perfect interior except for the normal cracks in the wood around the gear selector and the ashtray has come out and I think might be missing some wood trim around it. A/C does not work, not sure if it needs recharged or if it's more serious - otherwise VERY nice. Will post a pic on my picture blogger once I get it in my possession and give it a good waxing. The two usual S124 warnings apply: fixing the AC will likely be expensive, and if you have a #14 head on that engine, you would do well to make sure your cooling system is up to snuff and that the engine doesn't clear 100 degrees C appreciably for risk of cracking the weak casted head. Cool find, hope it gives you years of good service. K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
THANKS! Chris --- OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my archive -- Head model on 603 diesel engines: For the head question, look at the casting number near #2/#3 cylinder. Should be 603-016-xx-20 or something like that. If xx is 14, it's the old bad head. If 17, it's the newer head from a 3.5L. And if it's 22, it's a REALLY new head. Thanks, Wray, for saving me the trouble! ;) To clarify my previous post, if the head is number 17 or higher, it is the good, reinforced head. A number 15 or lower is the old, weak head. I have heard of 5 variations... 14 (1987 version), 15 (?), 17 (3.5L, 1990 to 1995), 20 (newer than 1995-ish), and 22 (last revision, AFAIK). I forget if number 15 exists or if it's a figment of my imagination, but the other 4 are real. The head I bought from Rusty in spring 2002 was a #22. - -dm :) Also - verify that the serpetine belt tensioning pulley is in line with the other pulleys. If not, repair before it pulls out of the front case. I don't remember the mileage, but the vacuum pump was improved because the original one could come apart and drop little parts into the engine. I don't remember the specifics of that though -- -- -- On 9/26/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard of the #14 head issue...where do you look to find that #? Chris -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
sunroof - gleitungspaste standing by... head - the trap is gutted, so that will help. Chris --- Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Chris...don't listen too much to the #14 head stories, its exagerated...My #14 head has gone to the overheating point a few times, for for what I was told was a bad thermostat. Ironically I was told in this forum by almost everyone that the reason i was overheating was because of my #14 head! Let me tell you that I don't treat my car nice...I make at least 3 trips to Vegas during the summer and I go as fast traffic permits with full blown AC...getting me really high up on the temp guage...my head and engine don't have any problems. P.S. a better bit of advise: oil those sun roof rails if your sunroof is working. On 9/26/05, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:16:33PM -0700, Christopher McCann wrote: No rust (a little around the rear jack points), 145K miles, red. I couldn't believe how fast it accelerates. Incredibly smooth ride...excellent handling. Wow. Trap has been gutted. Bought from a farmer in IA (who drove it down to KC for me to look at it cuz it rained and he couldn't combine today). When I sell the van, he'll deliver it back on his flatbed trailer. He has been overhauling MB diesel engines for decades and used to do it for my local indy (subcontractes). He never overhauled the TD. Perfect interior except for the normal cracks in the wood around the gear selector and the ashtray has come out and I think might be missing some wood trim around it. A/C does not work, not sure if it needs recharged or if it's more serious - otherwise VERY nice. Will post a pic on my picture blogger once I get it in my possession and give it a good waxing. The two usual S124 warnings apply: fixing the AC will likely be expensive, and if you have a #14 head on that engine, you would do well to make sure your cooling system is up to snuff and that the engine doesn't clear 100 degrees C appreciably for risk of cracking the weak casted head. Cool find, hope it gives you years of good service. K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Chris, congrats on the new car! Nice ride you have there. :-) 1) For more info, click this link... better to save as a text file, then turn on word wrap. (I need to fix that - d'oh.) http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/articles/124.1x3_buying_tips.txt 2) If the A/C has any pressure in the system, a recharge may cure it. DO NOT convert to R-134a if it's still a virgin R-12 system. Use a mineral-oil compatible alternative if you don't want to use R-12. (I'd recommend R-12 hands down but that's another discussion.) If the system is opened for any reason, replace the old green pressure switch with the new red style, and consider a new hi/lo pressure safety switch as well (mine failed on the 300E). :-) Best regards, Dave M. Boise, ID -- Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! I've heard of the #14 head issue...where do you look to find that #? I am HOPING that the a/c is simply a re-charge. He didn't drive it much...but am prepared for the worst. Chris
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Apparently the man I bought it from's grand kids called it Little Red Riding Hood...which is cute...especially since it will mainly haul around my wife and 4 (soon to be 5) daughters. I have to say I'm partial to a German name...Ursula...? translation: kleine rot ___ __? Chris --- Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris wrote: I'm trying to think of a good name...suggestions welcome Lil Red Wagon. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Marshall, You don't want a gutted trap - you want Mercedes to remove the trap and put on a new exhaust system FREE! 1. Is a gutted trap bad, in the sense of doing harm? 2. How does one go about getting a free exhaust from the stealership on an 18 year old car? Thanks! Chris --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: sunroof - gleitungspaste standing by... head - the trap is gutted, so that will help. You don't want a gutted trap - you want Mercedes to remove the trap and put on a new exhaust system FREE! Fewer than 20% (less than 1 in 5) of the 14 heads have cracked and the frequency of heads cracking seems to have diminished to almost none. I believe that most of the few cracked heads showing up now are ones that cracked when the traps were still in place, but didn't actually fail until someone fooled with them. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Reminds me a little of the current condition of the central console on the AKP-Wagen - I removed evaporator...haven't gotten around to putting it back together yet. Chris --- George Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 5:16 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a nice '87 300TD today for the wife. She was tired of the mpg's on the Sienna, so we gave the man $100 earnest and he's holding it till the van sells. Should not be too hard to unload it. Congratulations! Besides worrying about the head, try this: http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/300TD_Evap0.htm But really, I wish I had my 124 300TD back again. +-- Deneal Schilmeister MBCA Gateway 1991-2005 1997 SL500 (93k) http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm http://homepage.mac.com/deneals +-- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Little Red,,,loosly Bob Rentfro '77 300D 140K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! Apparently the man I bought it from's grand kids called it Little Red Riding Hood...which is cute...especially since it will mainly haul around my wife and 4 (soon to be 5) daughters. I have to say I'm partial to a German name...Ursula...? translation: kleine rot ___ __? Chris --- Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris wrote: I'm trying to think of a good name...suggestions welcome Lil Red Wagon. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Dave, I noticed on the file that there was a comment to Richard to NOT LOSE THE COMMENTS FROM MARSHALL BELOW. The doc has 20 or so points, but I didn't see Marshall's comments...do you or anyone else (Marshall?) have them? Thanks. Should-a had this sheet B4 I looked at the car! Even if I had, I would know more, but I think I would have bought it anyway, even with a #14 head...(which I'm still not sure I even have)...although I could have used that as a negotiation point. Chris --- Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, congrats on the new car! Nice ride you have there. :-) 1) For more info, click this link... better to save as a text file, then turn on word wrap. (I need to fix that - d'oh.) http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/articles/124.1x3_buying_tips.txt 2) If the A/C has any pressure in the system, a recharge may cure it. DO NOT convert to R-134a if it's still a virgin R-12 system. Use a mineral-oil compatible alternative if you don't want to use R-12. (I'd recommend R-12 hands down but that's another discussion.) If the system is opened for any reason, replace the old green pressure switch with the new red style, and consider a new hi/lo pressure safety switch as well (mine failed on the 300E). :-) Best regards, Dave M. Boise, ID -- Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! I've heard of the #14 head issue...where do you look to find that #? I am HOPING that the a/c is simply a re-charge. He didn't drive it much...but am prepared for the worst. Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Dave, It is definitely there, gutted and welded shut. What are the consequences of that? Also, what is high cold pressure - oil pressure? coolant pressure? How do you know/test for? Chris --- Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion is that the number is more like 20-40%. And I firmly believe there are a LOT of them running around with the high cold pressure symptom that nobody thinks is a big deal - toss those in and I bet we're over 50% easily. They can go tens of thousands of miles like that before it gets worse. Both of mine went at a little over 200k. However I don't think mileage is nearly as important as how hot the car got on a regular basis (Phoenix? Sacramento?), and if the trap oxidizer was kept clean by frequent Italian tuneups. Chris, look at this photo to tell if you still have the trap installed (gutted or otherwise): http://www.w124performance.com/images/OM603_exhaust/trap_oxidizer.jpg :) -dm -- Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:02:07 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! Christopher McCann wrote: sunroof - gleitungspaste standing by... head - the trap is gutted, so that will help. You don't want a gutted trap - you want Mercedes to remove the trap and put on a new exhaust system FREE! Fewer than 20% (less than 1 in 5) of the 14 heads have cracked and the frequency of heads cracking seems to have diminished to almost none. I believe that most of the few cracked heads showing up now are ones that cracked when the traps were still in place, but didn't actually fail until someone fooled with them. Marshall ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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right, but what about the riding hood part? how do you say that? Chris --- Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Little Red,,,loosly Bob Rentfro '77 300D 140K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! Apparently the man I bought it from's grand kids called it Little Red Riding Hood...which is cute...especially since it will mainly haul around my wife and 4 (soon to be 5) daughters. I have to say I'm partial to a German name...Ursula...? translation: kleine rot ___ __? Chris --- Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris wrote: I'm trying to think of a good name...suggestions welcome Lil Red Wagon. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Chris asked again: right, but what about the riding hood part? how do you say that? Duh...now I understand your question Kleines Rotkäppchen I think.. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 140K Litchfield Park, AZ
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Chris, I think Marshall's comments are long gone. Richard didn't read my warning and replaced the old page with just my notes, not Marshalls. And he had no backup to pull from. So unless they're saved on someone's personal drive, or Marshall can add to it from memory, they're gone. That was about a year ago back when the MBZ.org site was still alive... =) -dm -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:11:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! Dave, I noticed on the file that there was a comment to Richard to NOT LOSE THE COMMENTS FROM MARSHALL BELOW. The doc has 20 or so points, but I didn't see Marshall's comments...do you or anyone else (Marshall?) have them? Thanks. Should-a had this sheet B4 I looked at the car! Even if I had, I would know more, but I think I would have bought it anyway, even with a #14 head...(which I'm still not sure I even have)...although I could have used that as a negotiation point. Chris
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Hi Chris, 1) Go to the dealer and get it replaced with the straight pipe. You get a free new exhaust too. They probably won't notice, or care, that the trap was modified. 2) My text file has the information on the high pressure syndrome... it's high pressure in the cooling system after the engine has cooled down (say, overnight). That's not normal. It should have very low pressure or even a slight vacuum after cooldown. :-) -dm On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, It is definitely there, gutted and welded shut. What are the consequences of that? Also, what is high cold pressure - oil pressure? coolant pressure? How do you know/test for? Chris --- Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion is that the number is more like 20-40%. And I firmly believe there are a LOT of them running around with the high cold pressure symptom that nobody thinks is a big deal - toss those in and I bet we're over 50% easily. They can go tens of thousands of miles like that before it gets worse. Both of mine went at a little over 200k. However I don't think mileage is nearly as important as how hot the car got on a regular basis (Phoenix? Sacramento?), and if the trap oxidizer was kept clean by frequent Italian tuneups. Chris, look at this photo to tell if you still have the trap installed (gutted or otherwise): http://www.w124performance.com/images/OM603_exhaust/trap_oxidizer.jpg :) -dm -- Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:02:07 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! Christopher McCann wrote: sunroof - gleitungspaste standing by... head - the trap is gutted, so that will help. You don't want a gutted trap - you want Mercedes to remove the trap and put on a new exhaust system FREE! Fewer than 20% (less than 1 in 5) of the 14 heads have cracked and the frequency of heads cracking seems to have diminished to almost none. I believe that most of the few cracked heads showing up now are ones that cracked when the traps were still in place, but didn't actually fail until someone fooled with them. Marshall ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 94kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 258kmi (Sportline)
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Chris, It's Rotkäppchen sorta' pronounced rowtkepshen. Will defer to the experts tho... And here's a translator site: http://dictionary.reference.com/translate/text.html Back in Phoenix. Uneventful return trip.. Total 5700 miles - averaged 25 MPG at 70-75 mph - Odo now reads 345,000... Take care, Chuck 1980 300SD On Sep 27, 2005, at 6:49 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: Apparently the man I bought it from's grand kids called it Little Red Riding Hood...which is cute...especially since it will mainly haul around my wife and 4 (soon to be 5) daughters. I have to say I'm partial to a German name...Ursula...? translation: kleine rot ___ __? Chris --- Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris wrote: I'm trying to think of a good name...suggestions welcome Lil Red Wagon. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/ My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I think Marshall's comments are long gone. Richard didn't read my warning and replaced the old page with just my notes, not Marshalls. Thank Sherman for the wayback machine... http://web.archive.org/web/20040414225233/http://buying.articles.mbz.org/checklists/124/ Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD
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SWEET! Thanks Rick, I'll add that to my file. :) +dm On 9/27/05, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Marshall's comments are long gone. Richard didn't read my warning and replaced the old page with just my notes, not Marshalls. Thank Sherman for the wayback machine... http://web.archive.org/web/20040414225233/http://buying.articles.mbz.org/checklists/124/ Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 94kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 258kmi (Sportline)
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Dave M. wrote: Hi Chris, 1) Go to the dealer and get it replaced with the straight pipe. You get a free new exhaust too. They probably won't notice, or care, that the trap was modified. 2) My text file has the information on the high pressure syndrome... it's high pressure in the cooling system after the engine has cooled down (say, overnight). That's not normal. It should have very low pressure or even a slight vacuum after cooldown. I have a 190D 2.5 that displays excess pressure in the cooling system even after it's cooled for several days! Has since I bought it in 1997. Doesn't have any other symptoms. I also had a 190D 2.2 that sometimes displayed the same symptoms for 10 years, but not regularly. Pressure in the cooling system MIGHT mean a cracked head (and I'd suggest investigating), but that is NOT conclusive. It may mean nothing but a defective cap - or some other anomaly. As to the number of cracked heads - no way there are more than about 1 in 5 (20%). Many of the people that sell their 124.133 and 124.193s sell them because they have the symptoms of head cracks, but many/most of the people that have 124.133 and 124.193 without cracked heads tend to NOT want to sell them. These are VERY desirable cars and there are very few of them in the US (fewer than 6000 124 sedans and wagons with OM603.960 engines were ever brought to the US)! If 20% had cracked heads that would be about 1200 124s with cracked heads. Then there were the almost 13,000 1986 '87 300SDLs. If 5% of the '86s and 20% of the '87s failed, that would add about 2000 more cracked heads and still fewer than 20% of the 14 series heads would have cracked! MOST 603.96 engine heads will not crack and fail unless abused. Most ALL of the OM60x heads (even 17 series and later) WILL show some signs of cracking when they are removed after years of service, but MOST of the cracks are superficial and will seldom result in catastrophic failure. This is common to almost ALL of the 1st (and many 2nd) generation aluminum diesel heads. The trick is sort out and separate the fatal and inconsequential cracks - and that is VERY difficult to do. Even Mercedes points out that the pressure testing procedure in the engine manual is NOT 100% reliable and occasionally a head that passes the pressure test will fail when put back into service. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Marshall Booth wrote: MOST 603.96 engine heads will not crack and fail unless abused. To clarify - I consider driving an OM603.96 WITH a trap oxidizer in place abuse of the engine and driving one in the city extreme abuse! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
I agree - the pressure symptom is NOT conclusive that the head is cracked. But IMO it creates a strong possibility. Marshall's two 190D's are about the only ones I know of that had this with no apparent ill effects, but remember neither of them were OM603's. I know that my car would usually have slight vacuum in the system after a cold-soak. When the head cracked I had high pressure (15-20psi). After I replaced the cracked head, it went back to slight vacuum. The excess pressure can also cause other problems... my one car's water pump would be leak-free when hot, but after a cold-soak the cold pressure caused it to leak. (I'm still using that pump with the new head, leak-free.) In another instance (different 87 300D) the radiator would leak due to the cold pressure, but didn't leak when hot. YMMV, but I stand by my belief that HIGH pressure when cold is not normal (remember, I'm talking 15-20psi here, not 3psi.) I also have no plans to sell my 1987 300D and actually wouldn't mind getting another one, regardless of what head it currently has. =) +dm On 9/27/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 190D 2.5 that displays excess pressure in the cooling system even after it's cooled for several days! Has since I bought it in 1997. Doesn't have any other symptoms. I also had a 190D 2.2 that sometimes displayed the same symptoms for 10 years, but not regularly. Pressure in the cooling system MIGHT mean a cracked head (and I'd suggest investigating), but that is NOT conclusive. It may mean nothing but a defective cap - or some other anomaly. As to the number of cracked heads - no way there are more than about 1 in 5 (20%). Many of the people that sell their 124.133 and 124.193s sell them because they have the symptoms of head cracks, but many/most of the people that have 124.133 and 124.193 without cracked heads tend to NOT want to sell them. These are VERY desirable cars and there are very few of them in the US (fewer than 6000 124 sedans and wagons with OM603.960 engines were ever brought to the US)! If 20% had cracked heads that would be about 1200 124s with cracked heads. Then there were the almost 13,000 1986 '87 300SDLs. If 5% of the '86s and 20% of the '87s failed, that would add about 2000 more cracked heads and still fewer than 20% of the 14 series heads would have cracked! MOST 603.96 engine heads will not crack and fail unless abused. Most ALL of the OM60x heads (even 17 series and later) WILL show some signs of cracking when they are removed after years of service, but MOST of the cracks are superficial and will seldom result in catastrophic failure. This is common to almost ALL of the 1st (and many 2nd) generation aluminum diesel heads. The trick is sort out and separate the fatal and inconsequential cracks - and that is VERY difficult to do. Even Mercedes points out that the pressure testing procedure in the engine manual is NOT 100% reliable and occasionally a head that passes the pressure test will fail when put back into service. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Dave M. wrote:
Chris,
I think Marshall's comments are long gone. Richard didn't read my
warning and replaced the old page with just my notes, not Marshalls.
And he had no backup to pull from. So unless they're saved on
someone's personal drive, or Marshall can add to it from memory,
they're gone. That was about a year ago back when the MBZ.org site was
still alive...
In addition to the head problem(s):
Marshall Booth (on the subject of 300TD purchase): The OM60x engines
used in the W201/124/'86+ 126s are much quieter then the older OM61x
engine. Part of that IS the engine and part is the sound encapsulation
used in and under the engine compartment (be SURE the one you buy HAS
these panels - some misguided mechanics throw them away and they are
expensive to replace)! The hydraulic valve lifters CAN make quite a
racket if the car has had a steady diet of conventional oil. Changing to
synthetic oil WILL considerably reduce and eventually may even eliminate
all but an occasional clack/clatter from these noisemakers ;-) The '87
300TD is probably my favorite MB ever!
There are LOTS of little things to look at when buying a 13 year old
car. Ones that I would look for are: AC system - it must produce good
cooling (compressor replacement will usually be well over $1000), the
sunroof must work properly in all modes (sunroof repair can be $1000),
The tail gate must open, stay up and close flawlessly and the pull in
motor must engage and pull the gate shut without effort once contact is
made, check that the serpentine belt idler pulley (right below the
horizontal expanse of fan belt at the front to of the engine) MUST be
aligned parallel with the belt - if it's a degree or two cocked, then it
MUST be repaired (the costs could be from $100-$1000 depending on what
is actually worn or broken), the engine MUST start promptly when dead
cold and idle should smooth out within 20-30 seconds! There must be NO
evidence of transmission fluid on the grate at the bottom of the bell
housing (where the torque converter lives ;-) as that would be evidence
of leaking seals (minimum of $500 to fix) and the transmission should
shift very smoothly after the 1st few cold shifts. The power seats
should all move effortlessly and all the windows should work at about
the same speed. The cruise control should be tested! The radio, antenna
and cassette player SHOULD work (though a refurbished radio is available
on an exchange basis from Becker for about $130). Wipers (front and
rear) should work smoothly. Finally, the car should ride and handle
about as well as your 300SD - but just a bit more agile and it should
feel more powerful ('cause it is).
---
Let me add that the 124 is notorious for having the wires from the B
pillar to the rear doors break - seems that the wire was made from
stranded wire with too few strands of wire that was too thick to be
sufficiently flexible. The 201s and 126s made during the same period did
NOT suffer from this failure.
Marshall
--
Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
awesome, thanks! Chris --- Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Marshall's comments are long gone. Richard didn't read my warning and replaced the old page with just my notes, not Marshalls. Thank Sherman for the wayback machine... http://web.archive.org/web/20040414225233/http://buying.articles.mbz.org/checklists/124/ Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
My '84 OM617 also maintains pressure in the cooling system for long periods, and it hasn't shown any signs of overheating or coolant loss to date. Until I observe some other signs of cooling system anomalies, I'll continue to happily drive both engine types like I stole em. MMMV unter Druck Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (209k) '84 300D (204k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K)
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
uh...and driving one in the city extreme abuse! Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan for this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids and groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more miles of higway per capita than any other city, so you are always on a highway going somewhere...Also will use it for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is it going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle? Thanks, Chris --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall Booth wrote: MOST 603.96 engine heads will not crack and fail unless abused. To clarify - I consider driving an OM603.96 WITH a trap oxidizer in place abuse of the engine and driving one in the city extreme abuse! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Ugh - just talked to the seller and Rotkaeppchen has a #14 head...as does his wife's 603 with 400,000 miles. He says it's the trap, not the head...well, whatever. The problem I can see is that he guttted the trap WHEN HE GOT THE CAR 4 years ago (21,000 miles ago). That means the trap was on for 120,000+ miles...I hope it's not screwed up already. He DID advise driving it nice and easy till it gets to temp and nice and easy to give a little cool down after it is hot b/c of the Aluminum head - is that wise or overkill? I normally do that anyway with my SD, except teh cool down part. Thanks, Christopher --- Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 617 also likes to keep some pressure in the system when cold, but it's not the 15-20psi that I observed with the 603 cracked heads. I wouldn't worry about it on a 61x engine, or even 601/602, unless there are other symptoms. On a 603 however I'd be monitoring the situation very closely. Some of you may remember Justin Dobbs from a previous MB email list, who had the perssure syndrome and ignored it, as most people do. About a year later it started using coolant and then hydrolocked. I think he ended up getting a used engine to swap in, something about damage to the block surface (I forget though.) I think I heard of nearly a dozen failed heads in the past 18 months or so, from the email list and various MB web forums. FWIW, a brand new head is about $1600 (wholesale) from Rusty... less than half that for a good used #17 head. =) -dm -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:01:21 -0700 From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! My '84 OM617 also maintains pressure in the cooling system for long periods, and it hasn't shown any signs of overheating or coolant loss to date. Until I observe some other signs of cooling system anomalies, I'll continue to happily drive both engine types like I stole em. MMMV unter Druck Casey Olympia, WA ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Hi Chris, I wouldn't sweat it. Make sure the coolant tank is clean and doesn't show signs of oil in there. The #14 head could last a long time before you need to replace it (if ever!). It's generally wise not to use WOT until the engine reaches operating temp, however you also should not let it idle more than 30 seconds or so after startup. Just drive away gently after oil pressure stabilizes. No cooldown is needed unless it's right after a period of full load, like stopping at the top of a steep grade. More importantly, watch the temp gauge when test driving... should be in the 85-95C range and should not go over 100C unless it's *hot* out, or you're doing a top-speed run. Temps over 110C almost always indicate a cooling system problem that needs attention (which could be a simple as dirt bugs in the condenser fins.) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 94kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 258kmi (Sportline) === On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh - just talked to the seller and Rotkaeppchen has a #14 head...as does his wife's 603 with 400,000 miles. He says it's the trap, not the head...well, whatever. The problem I can see is that he guttted the trap WHEN HE GOT THE CAR 4 years ago (21,000 miles ago). That means the trap was on for 120,000+ miles...I hope it's not screwed up already. He DID advise driving it nice and easy till it gets to temp and nice and easy to give a little cool down after it is hot b/c of the Aluminum head - is that wise or overkill? I normally do that anyway with my SD, except teh cool down part. Thanks, Christopher
[MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
Got a nice '87 300TD today for the wife. She was tired of the mpg's on the Sienna, so we gave the man $100 earnest and he's holding it till the van sells. Should not be too hard to unload it. No rust (a little around the rear jack points), 145K miles, red. I couldn't believe how fast it accelerates. Incredibly smooth ride...excellent handling. Wow. Trap has been gutted. Bought from a farmer in IA (who drove it down to KC for me to look at it cuz it rained and he couldn't combine today). When I sell the van, he'll deliver it back on his flatbed trailer. He has been overhauling MB diesel engines for decades and used to do it for my local indy (subcontractes). He never overhauled the TD. Perfect interior except for the normal cracks in the wood around the gear selector and the ashtray has come out and I think might be missing some wood trim around it. A/C does not work, not sure if it needs recharged or if it's more serious - otherwise VERY nice. Will post a pic on my picture blogger once I get it in my possession and give it a good waxing. I'm trying to think of a good name...suggestions welcome. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:16:33PM -0700, Christopher McCann wrote: No rust (a little around the rear jack points), 145K miles, red. I couldn't believe how fast it accelerates. Incredibly smooth ride...excellent handling. Wow. Trap has been gutted. Bought from a farmer in IA (who drove it down to KC for me to look at it cuz it rained and he couldn't combine today). When I sell the van, he'll deliver it back on his flatbed trailer. He has been overhauling MB diesel engines for decades and used to do it for my local indy (subcontractes). He never overhauled the TD. Perfect interior except for the normal cracks in the wood around the gear selector and the ashtray has come out and I think might be missing some wood trim around it. A/C does not work, not sure if it needs recharged or if it's more serious - otherwise VERY nice. Will post a pic on my picture blogger once I get it in my possession and give it a good waxing. The two usual S124 warnings apply: fixing the AC will likely be expensive, and if you have a #14 head on that engine, you would do well to make sure your cooling system is up to snuff and that the engine doesn't clear 100 degrees C appreciably for risk of cracking the weak casted head. Cool find, hope it gives you years of good service. K
