[MBZ] HP printer commercial
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Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad Dual Boot
Our cameras work, and so do all the apps, on cm7. But it's more gingery and less creamy. I've never booted back to Webos since the transition. Of course the camera quality is awful, even the children don't like them - so you aren't missing much. Glad you are having a good time with it! :) Best, Tim On Mar 1, 2012 10:30 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Success! With very good instructions from the Android forum, and the help of the wife's PC, I loaded and am now running a dual boot environment on my HP TouchPad with WebOS on one partition and Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) on the other. The boot loader allows me to choose the OS upon power-up. Just about everything but the camera works in Android. Gotta spend some time playing with it to see exactly what it can do Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad Dual Boot
Well, as I may have mentioned earlier, I will be swapping the 16GB TouchPad for a 32GB model next week, which I will promptly jailbreak. Then the 16GB one will go to eBay to be purchased for a stupid price (I can't believe what people are paying for these used!) I like the dual boot capabilities. Since I have no experience with either OS at this point I am trying to use both and decide which will become the permanent one. Wifi is a little sketchy still, and battery consumption is high. These are known issues, so I expect them to be dealt with in future beta releases. The foundation is good, however. My only real complaint is with the wifi being wonky at this point. There are lots of reports in this regard, do I am sure it will get fixed shortly. Dan On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: Our cameras work, and so do all the apps, on cm7. But it's more gingery and less creamy. I've never booted back to Webos since the transition. Of course the camera quality is awful, even the children don't like them - so you aren't missing much. Glad you are having a good time with it! :) Best, Tim On Mar 1, 2012 10:30 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Success! With very good instructions from the Android forum, and the help of the wife's PC, I loaded and am now running a dual boot environment on my HP TouchPad with WebOS on one partition and Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) on the other. The boot loader allows me to choose the OS upon power-up. Just about everything but the camera works in Android. Gotta spend some time playing with it to see exactly what it can do Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] HP TouchPad Dual Boot
Success! With very good instructions from the Android forum, and the help of the wife's PC, I loaded and am now running a dual boot environment on my HP TouchPad with WebOS on one partition and Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) on the other. The boot loader allows me to choose the OS upon power-up. Just about everything but the camera works in Android. Gotta spend some time playing with it to see exactly what it can do Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
Unfortunately not. I saw it as an embedded link that when clicked on revealed the message text and accompanying HTML. Hmm. Dan On Feb 25, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Came through fine. It was just HTML instead of plain text. I would think there is a tweak in the email program for that. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
On Feb 25, 2012 10:09 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Came through fine. It was just HTML instead of plain text. I would think there is a tweak in the email program for that. You'd think that because you never used WebOS. :) Actually it isn't that bad, but everything else got better over the last few years, while Palm stagnated. We used WebOS on the Touchpads for about a month, but there was just so much more stuff available on Android. (And as a former Pre user I knew my way around!) Definitely haven't looked back. Android I can see as a laptop replacement, WebOS was more of a portable internet device with a barely-decent browser. Best, Tim Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
I will continue to play with the native OS (WebOS) for a little while longer before I install the latest alpha build of Android ICS. Since it will dual boot, unless I feel the need for lots of space I will probably run both until I decide which one I like better Dan On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Tim C wrote: On Feb 25, 2012 10:09 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Came through fine. It was just HTML instead of plain text. I would think there is a tweak in the email program for that. You'd think that because you never used WebOS. :) Actually it isn't that bad, but everything else got better over the last few years, while Palm stagnated. We used WebOS on the Touchpads for about a month, but there was just so much more stuff available on Android. (And as a former Pre user I knew my way around!) Definitely haven't looked back. Android I can see as a laptop replacement, WebOS was more of a portable internet device with a barely-decent browser. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] HP TouchPad
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Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
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Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
Came through fine. It was just HTML instead of plain text. I would think there is a tweak in the email program for that. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] HP TouchPad
Just scored a 16GB HP TouchPad, brand new in the box, from a Mac buddy. Definitely an impulse purchase. What will I be able to do with this thing? A neighbor tells me that they have been heavily jail broken and can do all sorts of fun things. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
Is that Android OS? I love my Android phone and have thought a tablet running that OS would be a very handy thing. Mike On Feb 20, 2012 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Just scored a 16GB HP TouchPad, brand new in the box, from a Mac buddy. Definitely an impulse purchase. What will I be able to do with this thing? A neighbor tells me that they have been heavily jail broken and can do all sorts of fun things. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
I believe it's a Palm OS of some sort. Haven't had a chance to really look into it yet. I did see a reference to jail breaking them and getting some sort of Android port working... Dan On Feb 20, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Is that Android OS? I love my Android phone and have thought a tablet running that OS would be a very handy thing. Mike On Feb 20, 2012 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Just scored a 16GB HP TouchPad, brand new in the box, from a Mac buddy. Definitely an impulse purchase. What will I be able to do with this thing? A neighbor tells me that they have been heavily jail broken and can do all sorts of fun things. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
I used to use Palm OS years ago. I remember it was very business oriented and very capable for it's time. Probably not any comparison to what it is now. Mike On Feb 20, 2012 12:42 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe it's a Palm OS of some sort. Haven't had a chance to really look into it yet. I did see a reference to jail breaking them and getting some sort of Android port working... Dan On Feb 20, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Is that Android OS? I love my Android phone and have thought a tablet running that OS would be a very handy thing. Mike On Feb 20, 2012 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Just scored a 16GB HP TouchPad, brand new in the box, from a Mac buddy. Definitely an impulse purchase. What will I be able to do with this thing? A neighbor tells me that they have been heavily jail broken and can do all sorts of fun things. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
Palm OS sucks. nbsp;I can't wait to be rid of this Palm Pre and using an android smartphone. Luther KB5QHU Forest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)nbsp; -- mobile my Palm Pre+ On Feb 20, 2012 11:42 AM, Dan Penoff lt;lwb...@yahoo.comgt; wrote: I believe it's a Palm OS of some sort. Haven't had a chance to really look into it yet. I did see a reference to jail breaking them and getting some sort of Android port working... Dan On Feb 20, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Michael Canfield lt;slozuk...@gmail.comgt; wrote: gt; Is that Android OS? I love my Android phone and have thought a tablet gt; running that OS would be a very handy thing. gt; gt; Mike gt; On Feb 20, 2012 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff lt;lwb...@yahoo.comgt; wrote: gt; gt;gt; Just scored a 16GB HP TouchPad, brand new in the box, from a Mac buddy. gt;gt; gt;gt; Definitely an impulse purchase. gt;gt; gt;gt; What will I be able to do with this thing? gt;gt; gt;gt; A neighbor tells me that they have been heavily jail broken and can do all gt;gt; sorts of fun things. gt;gt; gt;gt; Dan gt;gt; ___ gt;gt; http://www.okiebenz.com gt;gt; For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com gt;gt; To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ gt;gt; gt;gt; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: gt;gt; http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com gt;gt; gt; ___ gt; http://www.okiebenz.com gt; For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com gt; To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ gt; gt; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: gt; http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
That'll be WebOS I believe. I got a Kindle Fire for my birthday, its a fun little toy. I wanted it mostly for watching movies on flights. I came back from California last Saturday, the Kindle worked perfectly. -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:39:03 -0500 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad Message-ID: CALHJ_1Bk7FZOZJbTjatVCGs9khSvGU9rAfE2JsSH_=rtpl4...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is that Android OS? I love my Android phone and have thought a tablet running that OS would be a very handy thing. Mike On Feb 20, 2012 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Just scored a 16GB HP TouchPad, brand new in the box, from a Mac buddy. Definitely an impulse purchase. What will I be able to do with this thing? A neighbor tells me that they have been heavily jail broken and can do all sorts of fun things. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] HP Calculators (was Re: editers)
There is definitely an iPod/Pad app for the 12C financial calculator. And I recall reading recently that HP had reissued several of the older models, but not using the original electronics... the new one actually emulate the original processors in a more modern CPU. There have been some complaints that the buttons and cases seemed a lower quality than the originals though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP Calculators (was Re: editers)
The HP 48 series actually emulates much of one of the older processors, rather interesting when you get under the hood of it! Walt On Nov 23, 2011 11:04 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: There is definitely an iPod/Pad app for the 12C financial calculator. And I recall reading recently that HP had reissued several of the older models, but not using the original electronics... the new one actually emulate the original processors in a more modern CPU. There have been some complaints that the buttons and cases seemed a lower quality than the originals though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye
Only if you didn't actually READ the press release. They're not ending production they're SELLING production. Lenovo did an admirable job when they took over from IBM, no reason why HP should be different. Their workstations are substantially better than any other PC maker, especially right now, the Z400 and Z800 that we spec are actually better than their Mac counterparts. -Curt Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 00:00:04 EDT From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye Message-ID: 2ce21.de6abdc.3b91a...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ...They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99.? Market devalued HP by 20% upon these announcements... So, acquiring an HP PC and expecting any sort of after sales support seems a bit optimistic. Similar to buying an Oldsmobile or Pontiac or anything French. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Only if you didn't actually READ the press release. They're not ending production they're SELLING production. Lenovo did an admirable job when they took over from IBM, no reason why HP should be different. The thing is that unless the purchaser of their PC division is allowed to use the H-P name, a terrific brand with tremendous goodwill (in the business sense) attached is being squandered. They may have lost a lot of momentum in the past ten years, but to people old enough to remember the old Laserjets, HP's first bulletproof laptops, etc. the brand is still a marker of quality. Next thing you know, they'll stop making the 12C calculator... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye
I should get one to compliment my HP50g... Walt On Sep 2, 2011 1:33 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Only if you didn't actually READ the press release. They're not ending production they're SELLING production. Lenovo did an admirable job when they took over from IBM, no reason why HP should be different. The thing is that unless the purchaser of their PC division is allowed to use the H-P name, a terrific brand with tremendous goodwill (in the business sense) attached is being squandered. They may have lost a lot of momentum in the past ten years, but to people old enough to remember the old Laserjets, HP's first bulletproof laptops, etc. the brand is still a marker of quality. Next thing you know, they'll stop making the 12C calculator... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye
I recently sold my HP 32sII for 2-1/2 times what I paid for it back in 1993! Brian On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I should get one to compliment my HP50g... Walt On Sep 2, 2011 1:33 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Only if you didn't actually READ the press release. They're not ending production they're SELLING production. Lenovo did an admirable job when they took over from IBM, no reason why HP should be different. The thing is that unless the purchaser of their PC division is allowed to use the H-P name, a terrific brand with tremendous goodwill (in the business sense) attached is being squandered. They may have lost a lot of momentum in the past ten years, but to people old enough to remember the old Laserjets, HP's first bulletproof laptops, etc. the brand is still a marker of quality. Next thing you know, they'll stop making the 12C calculator... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP XW8200 was: OT Computer reliability
Curt Raymond wrote: The W123 of the computer world right now is the HP xw8200. Super reliable and built like a brick outhouse. How do they do with Linux? Any proprietary hardware that requires non-open/free drivers? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye
Just got a note in the daily trades - there is an anniversary model of the HP12C being sold right now Dan From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye Would it say, My, Mr. HP50g, you are one nice machine! --R On 9/2/11 2:19 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: I should get one to compliment my HP50g... Walt On Sep 2, 2011 1:33 PM, Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Only if you didn't actually READ the press release. They're not ending production they're SELLING production. Lenovo did an admirable job when they took over from IBM, no reason why HP should be different. The thing is that unless the purchaser of their PC division is allowed to use the H-P name, a terrific brand with tremendous goodwill (in the business sense) attached is being squandered. They may have lost a lot of momentum in the past ten years, but to people old enough to remember the old Laserjets, HP's first bulletproof laptops, etc. the brand is still a marker of quality. Next thing you know, they'll stop making the 12C calculator... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 3:25 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Just got a note in the daily trades - there is an anniversary model of the HP12C being sold right now Bah, humbug. The new 12Cs aren't like the old ones. They're superficially similar, but they have a different processor and different firmware. You can even switch them to an algebraic entry mode instead of RPN! Heresy! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:32:28 -0700 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 3:25 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Just got a note in the daily trades - there is an anniversary model of the HP12C being sold right now Bah, humbug. The new 12Cs aren't like the old ones. They're superficially similar, but they have a different processor and different firmware. You can even switch them to an algebraic entry mode instead of RPN! Heresy! And besides, I'd want a 15C, not a 12C! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye
Craig wrote: And besides, I'd want a 15C, not a 12C! I bought a new 11C in the 1980s for $40. I bought a used 15C in 1991 for $40 with manual. Even my old 11C had enough program memory to duplicate a 12C, plus it had scientific functions that weren't available on a 12C, which cost the same as a 15C. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, they are considering selling or spinning off the PSG unit. They expect to make a decision in 12 to 18 months. Nothing is a sure deal yet. I still can't get an answer whether it includes the commercial lines or just the consumer lines, the thin clients, etc. On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Only if you didn't actually READ the press release. They're not ending production they're SELLING production. Lenovo did an admirable job when they took over from IBM, no reason why HP should be different. Their workstations are substantially better than any other PC maker, especially right now, the Z400 and Z800 that we spec are actually better than their Mac counterparts. -Curt Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 00:00:04 EDT From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye Message-ID: 2ce21.de6abdc.3b91a...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ...They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99.? Market devalued HP by 20% upon these announcements... So, acquiring an HP PC and expecting any sort of after sales support seems a bit optimistic. Similar to buying an Oldsmobile or Pontiac or anything French. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All this enthusiasm about HP surprises me a bit considering all the news about the company this week. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We do several millions of dollars of business with HP a year. They are so worried about the public's perception of the current situation a rep from their HQ came in to address the School Board the other night. Collectively we have probably purchased 10-20 million worth of product from them over the last 6-8 years. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2011, at 3:13 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: All this enthusiasm about HP surprises me a bit considering all the news about the company this week. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Roger, I can't vouch for their consumer grade machines, but the enterprise and business grade equipment we buy from them has done quite well, in my opinion. And this is coming from someone who was responsible for supporting it. The education environment is a brutal one, especially at the school and classroom level. The HP products we have had in place have held up quite well, and have a minimal amount of downtime and warranty work. I was responsible for about 4000 workstations and maybe 60 servers, so I think my opinion is valid. My peers in the district report similar experiences, as does our in-house maintenance system. That being said, I wouldn't touch one of their consumer grade products Dan Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2011, at 3:13 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: All this enthusiasm about HP surprises me a bit considering all the news about the company this week. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wife bought a consumer-grade HP (Compaq Presario) a few years ago and it's pretty low budget. That said, the only real trouble it's given us so far is a dead power supply, easily replaced generic off-the-shelf component at Best Buy. Allan On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:37 -0400, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Roger, I can't vouch for their consumer grade machines, but the enterprise and business grade equipment we buy from them has done quite well, in my opinion. And this is coming from someone who was responsible for supporting it. The education environment is a brutal one, especially at the school and classroom level. The HP products we have had in place have held up quite well, and have a minimal amount of downtime and warranty work. I was responsible for about 4000 workstations and maybe 60 servers, so I think my opinion is valid. My peers in the district report similar experiences, as does our in- house maintenance system. That being said, I wouldn't touch one of their consumer grade products Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:13:31 EDT relng...@aol.com wrote: All this enthusiasm about HP surprises me a bit considering all the news about the company this week. I guess I have been off in a different world. What news about HP this week? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig wrote: I guess I have been off in a different world. What news about HP this week? They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99. Market devalued HP by 20% upon these announcements. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 20:18:50 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: I guess I have been off in a different world. What news about HP this week? They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99. Market devalued HP by 20% upon these announcements. Now that you mention it, I think I did hear some comments about that. Thanks for the reminder. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Update: due to popular demand, they are un-cancelling the tablet. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 6:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] HP PCs Craig wrote: I guess I have been off in a different world. What news about HP this week? They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99. Market devalued HP by 20% upon these announcements. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If they seriously un cancel the WebOS Tablet, they are going to have to find a way to keep it at $99. That's the only reason anyone bought one. EdB On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Update: due to popular demand, they are un-cancelling the tablet. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 6:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] HP PCs Craig wrote: I guess I have been off in a different world. What news about HP this week? They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99. Market devalued HP by 20% upon these announcements. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Greg Fiorentino wrote: Update: due to popular demand, they are un-cancelling the tablet. Yep, pay $306 to make it, lower the price from $500 to $400, lower the price from $400 to $100, and sell so many at $100 that you have to restart the production line to keep up. They're losing $200 a unit, but they hope to make it up on volume ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think they had a committed production run, probably cost more to cancel the run than just eat it. --R On 9/1/11 10:04 PM, Ed Booher wrote: If they seriously un cancel the WebOS Tablet, they are going to have to find a way to keep it at $99. That's the only reason anyone bought one. EdB On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Greg Fiorentinogf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Update: due to popular demand, they are un-cancelling the tablet. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 6:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] HP PCs Craig wrote: I guess I have been off in a different world. What news about HP this week? They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99. Market devalued HP by 20% upon these announcements. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99. Market devalued HP by 20% upon these announcements... So, acquiring an HP PC and expecting any sort of after sales support seems a bit optimistic. Similar to buying an Oldsmobile or Pontiac or anything French. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A guy at work has an Infinity thats got 300+hp. To me, in a car, it always begs the question but why would you care? people get so hung up on the numbers. I'd done perfectly well commuting over the last 6 years with a pair of 72hp cars. The 190D does a little better than the 240D but the added zip isn't required, just handy. I'd say in most cars 150hp is really all you'd ever need. I'd suggest we tax more powerful cars more, a green tax as it were... Of course there is the thought that gas tax, which is a useage tax after all, is more fair. I dunno... Is there a luxury tax on sports cars? I'd be surprised if there wasn't... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:26:57 EDT From: relng...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] hp To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d5e.52f49104.37991...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ..The 1992 LT1 in the Y-body (Corvette) was factory rated at 300 hp.. And my '63 Sting Ray's 327 was rated at 300hp. So, no progress at Chebby at 29 years? RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090723/fd09e6ad/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My wife's Kawasaki 454 gets 32hp from 450cc! One ci is 16.3cc so 27.85ci, scale up to 327 and it'd be making ~375.68hp... In '89 Kawasaki made a big deal about the 454 (a woman's bike) being able to handily beat a Corvette in a quarter mile. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:11:55 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] hp To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 9e886944-f869-49dd-83de-033b4a272...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The change was in the early 70's, and GM grossly over-estimated hp before that. Ford and Chrysler weren't much better, but GM was the worst (no alternator, no oil pump, no water pump, etc). Actually, 300 hp from 327 ci isn't all that good anyway -- my 72 280 SE gets 232 hp from 276 ci, after all, and the 3.5L M117 got the same hp from 215 ci. And that's as installed, with all accessories including tranny. Not to say the 327 was a slug by any means, but not record output per cubic inch! Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090723/7062fc5e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Built to move fast in a straight line... A friend picked up an old Mustang as a favor for his brother. I went with him to deliver it, you get a feel for how suspension technology has improved over the years. A guy at work has an '80s Corvette, theres some twistys on the way into work and I can take them nearly as fast as he can (50mph in my 190D, 54mph in his 'Vette) because the 'Vette really wants to get sideways. A 190D 2.5 turbo would best him handily. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:45:29 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] hp To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 3485b4230907221945k745853c7xfe266a64ed5f6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Peter wrote: Actually, 300 hp from 327 ci isn't all that good anyway Yabbut - it was a memorable ride - i.e. no airbags, no ars, atb, att, etc. I was given a ride in a classic vette onetime - engine on rails, that was all that beast was. No real creature comforts - built to move fast. Kids these days... mao -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090723/cf95e23f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The last Fuely 327 was rated at 325hp. Drag racing sanctioning body re-rated it to 425. During the early 60's, these type high compression engines (13.5:1) using 104 octane fuel were awesome to drive. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:51:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] hp My wife's Kawasaki 454 gets 32hp from 450cc! One ci is 16.3cc so 27.85ci, scale up to 327 and it'd be making ~375.68hp... In '89 Kawasaki made a big deal about the 454 (a woman's bike) being able to handily beat a Corvette in a quarter mile. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:11:55 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] hp To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 9e886944-f869-49dd-83de-033b4a272...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The change was in the early 70's, and GM grossly over-estimated hp before that. Ford and Chrysler weren't much better, but GM was the worst (no alternator, no oil pump, no water pump, etc). Actually, 300 hp from 327 ci isn't all that good anyway -- my 72 280 SE gets 232 hp from 276 ci, after all, and the 3.5L M117 got the same hp from 215 ci. And that's as installed, with all accessories including tranny. Not to say the 327 was a slug by any means, but not record output per cubic inch! Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090723/7062fc5e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090723/3de91e0b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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300 hp in a plastic shell is more than enough! The later 'Vettes are slugs in comparison, they got rather heavy as they became MUCH more crash-resistant. Lots more luxurious, too, not like the basic performance machines they were in the early 60's. Bastard of a rear end though Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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..The 1992 LT1 in the Y-body (Corvette) was factory rated at 300 hp.. And my '63 Sting Ray's 327 was rated at 300hp. So, no progress at Chebby at 29 years? RLE ** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood0009) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090722/98a9b7cc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That would be net HP vs. Gross HP as they changed the standards sometime after 1963. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:26 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ..The 1992 LT1 in the Y-body (Corvette) was factory rated at 300 hp.. And my '63 Sting Ray's 327 was rated at 300hp. So, no progress at Chebby at 29 years? RLE ** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood0009) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090722/98a9b7cc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The change was in the early 70's, and GM grossly over-estimated hp before that. Ford and Chrysler weren't much better, but GM was the worst (no alternator, no oil pump, no water pump, etc). Actually, 300 hp from 327 ci isn't all that good anyway -- my 72 280 SE gets 232 hp from 276 ci, after all, and the 3.5L M117 got the same hp from 215 ci. And that's as installed, with all accessories including tranny. Not to say the 327 was a slug by any means, but not record output per cubic inch! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter wrote: Actually, 300 hp from 327 ci isn't all that good anyway Yabbut - it was a memorable ride - i.e. no airbags, no ars, atb, att, etc. I was given a ride in a classic vette onetime - engine on rails, that was all that beast was. No real creature comforts - built to move fast. Kids these days... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The change was in the early 70's, and GM grossly over-estimated hp before that. 1972 I believe. A few engines were actually under-rated, during the sixties. The Camaro 302 in the early Z-28 was rated at 290 hp. The L-88 427 was rated at 435 hp. Both engines produced more than their rated power. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I learned to drive in the parental units' 66 Pontiac Bonneville, 389 4bbl. Stomping the pedal on that thing would push you into the back seat and lay a coupla strips of rubber as far as you wanted. Of course it wallowed like a pig, had no steering to speak of, was big and heavy, but did it sound good and make you feel good. The 64 Pontiac I got to drive mostly was very similar, also a 389, but not quite as beastly. --R Rick Knoble wrote: The change was in the early 70's, and GM grossly over-estimated hp before that. 1972 I believe. A few engines were actually under-rated, during the sixties. The Camaro 302 in the early Z-28 was rated at 290 hp. The L-88 427 was rated at 435 hp. Both engines produced more than their rated power. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
