Re: [MBZ] tires, again
I betcha it is. My Dad's favorite part about the Jeep Cherokee they used to own was the long lasting car tires it had. I think they were 60,000 mile tires and that thing was absolutely helpless in snow and ice even in 4wd. I'd rather have my 190D with the cheap Contis... Of course my 240D with el'cheapo snows was the best snow vehicle I've ever had... Just put it in gear, dump the clutch and it'd dig until it found something solid to push off of. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:43 -0500 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] tires, again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have had good service from Michelins, long miles on them, which I think must be due to a fairly hard compound. A hard compound is probably not the best for all-weather use, if I understand that soft is generally better in rain, snow, etc. Perhaps the mile warranty might be indicative of the hardness of the tire? --R - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
Kumho --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: [MBZ] tires, again Looks like I'll be needing new tires for the 300D this fall. We don't usually have enough snow here to justify snow tires, so I'm looking for recommendations for a good all-season tire so I can start watching for sales. I currently have Michelin X-1 tires which I got on sale and have been pretty happy with them, but they're almost down to the tread wear limits. Looking for good wet performance and quiet. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] tires, again
Looks like I'll be needing new tires for the 300D this fall. We don't usually have enough snow here to justify snow tires, so I'm looking for recommendations for a good all-season tire so I can start watching for sales. I currently have Michelin X-1 tires which I got on sale and have been pretty happy with them, but they're almost down to the tread wear limits. Looking for good wet performance and quiet. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Michelins are ok, but high-priced. Best price/value I have found is Conti Touring. The higher-end major brand tires are often ok, but are high-priced. Avoid Wal-mart/Sams. At 09:10 AM 7/13/2007, you wrote: Looks like I'll be needing new tires for the 300D this fall. We don't usually have enough snow here to justify snow tires, so I'm looking for recommendations for a good all-season tire so I can start watching for sales. I currently have Michelin X-1 tires which I got on sale and have been pretty happy with them, but they're almost down to the tread wear limits. Looking for good wet performance and quiet. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
i spent my whole life worshiping at the shrine of michelin. my neighbor sells goodyear tires and told me to try goodyear assurance, which he'd sell me at cost. best tire i've ever used by far. On 7/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I'll be needing new tires for the 300D this fall. We don't usually have enough snow here to justify snow tires, so I'm looking for recommendations for a good all-season tire so I can start watching for sales. I currently have Michelin X-1 tires which I got on sale and have been pretty happy with them, but they're almost down to the tread wear limits. Looking for good wet performance and quiet. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 7/13/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelins are ok, but high-priced. Best price/value I have found is Conti Touring. I like how the Contis ride and handle, but they don't last in my experience. I like the mid-priced Dunlops, anything in the All-Season High Performance or All-Season Touring categories on tirerack.com. Currently have D60 Sports (I think---they superseded the D40M2, which was my favorite) on the 124. Smooth quiet ride and grip to match the suspension. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
If you do get occasional snow, check out the Nokian WR So far as I know it's still the only all season tire that is also rated as a snow tire, but they wear as long as most other all season tires http://www.nokiantires.com/en/tire_wr.aspx?season=summer In some places, if you get tangled up with another car on snowy surfaces, having the snow rating symbol on your tire can keep you from getting a ticket, and in some cases if you have the snow tires and the other guy doesn't, they'll rule it the other guys fault on the spot due to improper equipment for conditionsjust a thought. Personally I look at good tires for winter conditions as cheap insurance, costs about the same as an insurance deductable, and they're a lot more fun than spending the night in a ditch. and it only snows a couple of times a year here, but we usually get a nice dose of ice with it. Robert Allan Streib wrote: Looks like I'll be needing new tires for the 300D this fall. We don't usually have enough snow here to justify snow tires, so I'm looking for recommendations for a good all-season tire so I can start watching for sales. I currently have Michelin X-1 tires which I got on sale and have been pretty happy with them, but they're almost down to the tread wear limits. Looking for good wet performance and quiet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think Michelins are highly overrated. I have Goodyears on my car and they have outlasted every Michelin I've ever owned. I have Dunlops on my bike, and they are far more popular among bike people than Michelins. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard a biker suggest a Michelin in a conversation. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i spent my whole life worshiping at the shrine of michelin. my neighbor sells goodyear tires and told me to try goodyear assurance, which he'd sell me at cost. best tire i've ever used by far. On 7/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I'll be needing new tires for the 300D this fall. We don't usually have enough snow here to justify snow tires, so I'm looking for recommendations for a good all-season tire so I can start watching for sales. I currently have Michelin X-1 tires which I got on sale and have been pretty happy with them, but they're almost down to the tread wear limits. Looking for good wet performance and quiet. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
3 of the 4 Dunlops on my SDL slipped belts on the same weekend. It was a very rough, slow ride home. Wear is a tradeoff with traction. I prefer softer tires with traction and a 40k or so wearlife over longer lasting tires that send you into the ditch if you spit in front of them. IMHO, sticky tires are the cheapest and best insurance you can buy. Loren who has driven about 1.75 million miles without being off the road unintentionally. Maybe 1/3 in MB At 11:31 AM 7/13/2007, you wrote: On 7/13/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelins are ok, but high-priced. Best price/value I have found is Conti Touring. I like how the Contis ride and handle, but they don't last in my experience. I like the mid-priced Dunlops, anything in the All-Season High Performance or All-Season Touring categories on tirerack.com. Currently have D60 Sports (I think---they superseded the D40M2, which was my favorite) on the 124. Smooth quiet ride and grip to match the suspension. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
I have had good service from Michelins, long miles on them, which I think must be due to a fairly hard compound. A hard compound is probably not the best for all-weather use, if I understand that soft is generally better in rain, snow, etc. Perhaps the mile warranty might be indicative of the hardness of the tire? --R LWB250 wrote: I think Michelins are highly overrated. I have Goodyears on my car and they have outlasted every Michelin I've ever owned. I have Dunlops on my bike, and they are far more popular among bike people than Michelins. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard a biker suggest a Michelin in a conversation. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i spent my whole life worshiping at the shrine of michelin. my neighbor sells goodyear tires and told me to try goodyear assurance, which he'd sell me at cost. best tire i've ever used by far. On 7/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I'll be needing new tires for the 300D this fall. We don't usually have enough snow here to justify snow tires, so I'm looking for recommendations for a good all-season tire so I can start watching for sales. I currently have Michelin X-1 tires which I got on sale and have been pretty happy with them, but they're almost down to the tread wear limits. Looking for good wet performance and quiet. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
On Jul 13, 2007, at 11:14 AM, LWB250 wrote: I think Michelins are highly overrated. I have Goodyears on my car and they have outlasted every Michelin I've ever owned. Although I've Michelins on the two diesel wagons, and a set of Yokohama Avids on the S class I did note Consumer reports they really liked the Goodyear tires in mostly no snow conditions http:// www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GoodyeartireModel=Assurance +TripleTred But I've not tried them, perhaps my next tire set. The S-Class usually had Michelins, the continental tire I want isn't offered in north america (europe only), I tried W rated Kumos but send the 4 back to tirerack since the guys doing the force balancing said they were all faulty and wouldn't balance. The last of Michelins I had on it when out of round, so were replaced earlier this year with Yokohama, undecided if ok yet, rubber certainly is way softer tho, reports say they are crummy in snow but the rule here is if it snows (rare event)) the s-class stays in the garage because the other clueless never driven in snow drivers might whack it no matter what tires it has on it. Fortunately the W123 and W124 are less picky about tires. John 1983 300TDt 386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 198k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm of the feeling that i want tire to perform, first and foremost; if it won't do that well, i don't care how long they last! i've got Pirelli P3000 Cinturatos on the '85 300D right now that i'm happier with than the Michelins i had on there before these; i disliked the handling of those Michelins enough that i actually returned them. (i know it makes a difference, but sorry, i can't recall this many years later which model Michelin it was.) quiet, stable and comfortable, i don't have any issue with the Pirellis in the wet, but frankly i haven't a great deal of experience with them in the wet, either, as i'd typically be driving the J**p XJ given the choice of vehicles when things get sloppy. (OT warning; motorcycle content follows) FWIW, i have Michelins on my moto and love them (as do most who've tried them in a similar application); the Michelin Anakee is the best non-knobby tire i've had on the BMW GS, and while it wears slightly faster than the traditional GS favorite (the Metzler Tourance), the grip in wet and dry seems much better. for dirt use, the GS wears Continental TKC-80 knobbies (a.k.a. Twinduros); an amazing all around performer on and off pavement, but made of such a sticky rubber that they can go away fast in hard use under 800 lbs of machine and rider... cheers! e '85 300D '02 BMW GS Adventure LWB250 wrote: I think Michelins are highly overrated. I have Goodyears on my car and they have outlasted every Michelin I've ever owned. I have Dunlops on my bike, and they are far more popular among bike people than Michelins. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard a biker suggest a Michelin in a conversation. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i spent my whole life worshiping at the shrine of michelin. my neighbor sells goodyear tires and told me to try goodyear assurance, which he'd sell me at cost. best tire i've ever used by far. On 7/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I'll be needing new tires for the 300D this fall. We don't usually have enough snow here to justify snow tires, so I'm looking for recommendations for a good all-season tire so I can start watching for sales. I currently have Michelin X-1 tires which I got on sale and have been pretty happy with them, but they're almost down to the tread wear limits. Looking for good wet performance and quiet. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
On 7/13/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer softer tires with traction and a 40k or so wearlife over longer lasting tires that send you into the ditch if you spit in front of them. IMHO, sticky tires are the cheapest and best insurance you can buy. Oh, I agree strongly! But my issue with the Continentals I've tried is that they seem to last half as long as tires of essentially equal stickiness and price. I only got 20K useful miles out of the last set, whereas Dunlops seem to last about twice as long---same car, same driver. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I put a pair of Jokohamas on a 124 and within a month one came apart on the interstate, and did $2500 damage to the car. no warranty or repair from Jokohama. You will NEVER find Jokohama on MY car ever again!!! At 04:35 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote: replaced earlier this year with Yokohama, undecided if ok yet, Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ah, thank you for that information. Hopefully as a Japanese company which usually strive for zero defects any issue with tires exploding were addressed. Of course it's hard to know if it was a manufacturing issue or nail lurking for you that day. I would think if it was widespread we would have heard more about it like the exploding Firestone Ford Explorer mess. Even a few tires exploding now can get NHTS to wake up like say for http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/27/autos/chinese_tire_recall/index.htm I note the warranty seems to be 60 months in the USA, but on only 4 years or 100K km in canada, that and they cheerfully take no responsibility outside of any issue than the tire, I'm not sure any other tire company would assume responsibility for other damages either? Well all of which doesn't make you a happy consumer either... On Jul 13, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: I put a pair of Jokohamas on a 124 and within a month one came apart on the interstate, and did $2500 damage to the car. no warranty or repair from Jokohama. You will NEVER find Jokohama on MY car ever again!!! At 04:35 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote: replaced earlier this year with Yokohama, undecided if ok yet, Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
I have NOT been pleased with any Contis I've tried in the last 20 years. They don't last and their traction on light snow in NIL. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Marshall Booth wrote: I have NOT been pleased with any Contis I've tried in the last 20 years. One of my cars came with a pair of new Conti touring tires. Don't remember where they were made, but I do remember it was not Germany. They both went egg shaped on me within 30k. I can't remember the last time another tire went out of round. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
I have Kumhos on 3 of the 4 MBs now - and so far they're great tires - but I haven't had any of them any longer than two years/20k miles. They are quiet, sticky, and do fine in the rain. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Interesting. I guess there is no consensus, which is why everyone hates oil and tire threads on the list. Conti is the only brand and have never had a slipped belt with. I will admit that 20-30 years ago, when Eurotire was in business, I always bought German made Contis. I am not sure I trust American made Contis, but so far so good. I think I have 8 or 10 of them on various cars with no problems so far. As I stated previously, I trust softer tires much more than hard tires. I used to deliver papers in the mud and snow on gravel roads, which is about the worst punishment for a tire. The Contis never failed. I have always found them good in snow and ice, but again, I do NOT buy the high end tires, but the touring or S-T rated tires for my Diesels, and even the Ford van and the Datsun pickup. H or V tires are entirely different. I have little experience with high speed tires. For me the midrange Contis have delivered high reliability, and a very good price/value ratio. Another thing that makes a big difference is size. We had an old set of Hercules tires on a farm truck for 30 years. They were 7.50- 17 and although they didn't have much traction, they never failed. This truck would make several 400 mile trips a year, and shorter ones. Almost every other 7-50-17 we had on various trucks would come apart long before they wore out. In every other size, the tire dealers had trouble with Hercules truck tires. Our old Hercules tires were on the truck when it was underwater in the Flood of '73 before we bought it. Loren Bowing to Herr Booth and to Mitch, acknowledging their dissimilar results. At 08:19 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote: Marshall Booth wrote: I have NOT been pleased with any Contis I've tried in the last 20 years. One of my cars came with a pair of new Conti touring tires. Don't remember where they were made, but I do remember it was not Germany. They both went egg shaped on me within 30k. I can't remember the last time another tire went out of round. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've never been fond of michelins either. They last a long time, but they're just plain squirilly. I've had about the same luck with Yokohamas. I had a set of those on a car for over 80k miles, but they scared me half to death when it rained or on a mountain road ---Robert LWB250 wrote: I think Michelins are highly overrated. I have Goodyears on my car and they have outlasted every Michelin I've ever owned. I have Dunlops on my bike, and they are far more popular among bike people than Michelins. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard a biker suggest a Michelin in a conversation. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i spent my whole life worshiping at the shrine of michelin. my neighbor sells goodyear tires and told me to try goodyear assurance, which he'd sell me at cost. best tire i've ever used by far. On 7/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I'll be needing new tires for the 300D this fall. We don't usually have enough snow here to justify snow tires, so I'm looking for recommendations for a good all-season tire so I can start watching for sales. I currently have Michelin X-1 tires which I got on sale and have been pretty happy with them, but they're almost down to the tread wear limits. Looking for good wet performance and quiet. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jul 13, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: Interesting. I guess there is no consensus, which is why everyone hates oil and tire threads on the list. The sad thing is that oil is a $50 and 5K miles decision roughly, where as tires are a $500 (or much more) and 50K mile decision and the oil you bought last year is the same stuff, but those tires from 4 years back aren't available anymore and the new ones are made in china? John 1983 300TDt 386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 198k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have Falkens on my Subaru Forester AWD. They stopped the hydroplaning on wet roads that the factory tires did. Forget what they were. Tire Rack rated Falkens very highly-don't have them on either of my MB's. Dwight Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Tires Again - I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have Falken RV tires on my E350 van. They are GREAT. Price was just over 4 bills for the set of 4. Mileage could be better at around 20K for the set but they get great traction in the snow and rain. Will hold her own in the snow pulling my trailer(through Erie, PA on Rte 90 she was pushing snow with the front bumper.) Seem to keep the balance well. I never rotated them so I could probably get better life from them but the diesel is very hard on the rear tires. Mike, who wishes that there was another Falken dealer nearby.(and who likes to put stuff here like Philip..) - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - I have Falkens on my Subaru Forester AWD. They stopped the hydroplaning on wet roads that the factory tires did. Forget what they were. Tire Rack rated Falkens very highly-don't have them on either of my MB's. Dwight Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Tires Again - I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I personally had some Continentals Contact Extreme tires. I threw them away with only 10k miles on them. They were the worse tires In the mornings it felt like you were driving over 2x4s in the road. Additionally when the tires had bad road noise. The bumping in the mornings was so bad I kept wanting to pull over and check that the tires were not flat. I did not feel safe to have my wife drive the car. I replaced them with Michelin MXV4 tires. Note that I tried to get tires from Mercedes dealer, but they wanted an arm and a leg because they were special order. When I took car to dealer to get alignment the sales guy said yea we do not carry them. I laughed and said that is funny because your sales display there has 4 MXV4 in the size I needed. He looked at me and laughed like I was joking, then he checked. Note that I could have ordered rims with tires preinstalled from Tire Rack for $100 more than Mercedes quoted me for the tires. I also consulted other people I trust and generally the most recommended is the MXV4s and the Harmony from Michelin. BTW the local Mercedes dealer is advertising their great customer service. So it was real funny as I sat their for 30 minutes waiting to give them my keys. The friend giving me the ride said, If they had great customer service they would not need to advertise it. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - My vote is for German made Contis, hands down. I can't find anyplace to buy them anymore. I have several US made Contis on several vehicles with no complaints SO FAR*** Last night, one of the Jokohamas I had on the 300TE came apart on the interstate and cause $2000 damage to the TE. The steel belts and tread came off, flapped around and then flew off. It took out the plastic inner fender liner, broke the front bumper cover, took off the bottom fender trim, bent the rocker and took the paint off the fender, door and hood. The tire had less than 2000 miles. I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are going on. I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles, with never a problem or slipped belt. Keep in mind though, that those were German made Contis. Loren 88 300 TE et al ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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rumor has it that Loren wrote: I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are going on. going on. I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles, with never a problem or slipped belt. Keep in mind though, that those were German made Contis. I'm sorry you had problems. I happen to have driven many hundreds of thousands of safe miles on Yokohamas. Passanger car, light truck, and heavy truck tires. I have been happy with every set. But I suspect this is like the pickup truck debate... --Philip, with Yokohama on everything but the farm truck.
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Bet that farm truck could use a set of Geolander MT's.. Mike, Who must think Philip's farm truck needs lot's of tractionlol - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - rumor has it that Loren wrote: I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are going on. going on. I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles, with never a problem or slipped belt. Keep in mind though, that those were German made Contis. I'm sorry you had problems. I happen to have driven many hundreds of thousands of safe miles on Yokohamas. Passanger car, light truck, and heavy truck tires. I have been happy with every set. But I suspect this is like the pickup truck debate... --Philip, with Yokohama on everything but the farm truck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Most of the Frenchy tires I have had also slipped belts. However the Frenchys on the TD when we bought it have been ok. They are still overpriced. You need to remember I drive diesels, not SLs or corvettes. I only have bought the touring grade Contis. I know some ppl have good luck with the Frenchys, and some have even good luck with good years. I have even had a few of them (goodyears) that did not slip belts or come apart. One of the best sets I have had were dunlops. Last summer I had 3 of 4 dunlops slip belts really bad in the span of 100 miles or so. Most of the time Generals are pretty good, but some do not have good wet traction. Toyos come apart. Remingtons seem to be ok but have poor wet/snow traction. Conti Contact touring, the current incarnation, are not noisy in my experience, and come out of the box needing .5 oz or less to balance. They have good traction, reasonable durability, and IHMO a good balance of tire qualities for the price. I just rebel at $100 each for ordinary car tires. But, as I indicated in the earlier post, the jury is still out on the US made (General) Contis. My personal preference is for stickiness over long wearing. This is only my experience. YMMV And, I am only talking about various 13, 14 and 15 tires on MBs. Truck tires are a different story. Loren Lotsa MB over the years. At 07:12 PM 7/10/2006, you wrote: I personally had some Continentals Contact Extreme tires. I threw them away with only 10k miles on them. They were the worse tires In the mornings it felt like you were driving over 2x4s in the road. Additionally when the tires had bad road noise. The bumping in the mornings was so bad I kept wanting to pull over and check that the tires were not flat. I did not feel safe to have my wife drive the car. I replaced them with Michelin MXV4 tires. Note that I tried to get tires from Mercedes dealer, but they wanted an arm and a leg because they were special order. When I took car to dealer to get alignment the sales guy said yea we do not carry them. I laughed and said that is funny because your sales display there has 4 MXV4 in the size I needed. He looked at me and laughed like I was joking, then he checked. Note that I could have ordered rims with tires preinstalled from Tire Rack for $100 more than Mercedes quoted me for the tires. I also consulted other people I trust and generally the most recommended is the MXV4s and the Harmony from Michelin. BTW the local Mercedes dealer is advertising their great customer service. So it was real funny as I sat their for 30 minutes waiting to give them my keys. The friend giving me the ride said, If they had great customer service they would not need to advertise it. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - My vote is for German made Contis, hands down. I can't find anyplace to buy them anymore. I have several US made Contis on several vehicles with no complaints SO FAR*** Last night, one of the Jokohamas I had on the 300TE came apart on the interstate and cause $2000 damage to the TE. The steel belts and tread came off, flapped around and then flew off. It took out the plastic inner fender liner, broke the front bumper cover, took off the bottom fender trim, bent the rocker and took the paint off the fender, door and hood. The tire had less than 2000 miles. I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are going on. I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles, with never a problem or slipped belt. Keep in mind though, that those were German made Contis. Loren 88 300 TE et al ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've never had Kuhmos on a car, but their big truck tires are very nice, impressive handling and braking even when empty. My personal favourite for cars anymore is Nokians. you just can't beat those things for traction, especially in adverse conditions, and the price isn't bad either. -Robert LarryT wrote: I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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rumor has it that Mike wrote: Bet that farm truck could use a set of Geolander MT's.. Mike, Who must think Philip's farm truck needs lot's of tractionlol - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] rumor has it that Loren wrote: But I suspect this is like the pickup truck debate... --Philip, with Yokohama on everything but the farm truck. Oh, it sure would! But it needs 16.5in, load range E - so they would cost more than the whole truck did!!! As much highway driving as that truck sees, I'll probably never replace the tires because of wear. -- Philip, wishing the farm truck had a diesel engine
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I had good luck with the Conti's too, but couldn't find the replacement for my Passat. The dealer had them, but there was no way I was going to pay more than $100 a tire. I ended up getting a BF Goodrich Traction TA for $85 a tire at Sears. A little stiffer in the sidewell and noisier than the Conti, but a good tire for the money. Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:17:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - rumor has it that Loren wrote: I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are going on. going on. I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles, with never a problem or slipped belt. Keep in mind though, that those were German made Contis. I'm sorry you had problems. I happen to have driven many hundreds of thousands of safe miles on Yokohamas. Passanger car, light truck, and heavy truck tires. I have been happy with every set. But I suspect this is like the pickup truck debate... --Philip, with Yokohama on everything but the farm truck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question
Now that you mention the rolling resistance I seem to remember one of the car magazines doing a test of all the popular tires. Michelin, BF Goodrich, Goodyear, Conti's, Pirelli etc. I think it was on performance tires though and the test vehicle was a BMW M3. I do believe they included rolling resistance in the test as well as wet and dry performance. Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:55:24 EDT Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:17:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I put Conti's on my 280 and I like the way they feel in the wet and they are so quet even when you run them hard. Yep, lots of choices out there, good and bad Harry and all, I tried the Contis as well, and they rolled true and handled well. I noted that the rolling resistance was much higher than the previous set of Yokohamas , probably costing me 1-2 MPG. I had both sets of tires mounted on identical Bundt MB wheels so I did some coast down comparisons and even used a spring scale to move the car on my flat concrete driveway. There was a significant difference, easily noticeable between the sets of tires. There is currently renewed interest in publishing rolling resistance in tire ratings, this is, of course, because of $3 fuel in the US. To my knowledge, no US magazine has dared to add the rolling resistance test and publish the results. Has anyone found this information in a Euro car mag? They have been dealing with high fuel prices for a long time and should be in the fore front of reporting this info. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Everyone has really provided some great experiences - one more question about tires - are the tires put on new tire different than those bought from retailers? I had some Firestones on a pickup we bought new - those tires were bald by 16k miles - For that poor experience I'll never buy F'stones again. But maybe that's not fair - perhaps those were some manufacturers specials that are not as good as those bought at retailers. Not a goood marketing decision but you never know what happens to win a huge (Nissan) tire contract. Comments? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - I personally had some Continentals Contact Extreme tires. I threw them away with only 10k miles on them. They were the worse tires In the mornings it felt like you were driving over 2x4s in the road. Additionally when the tires had bad road noise. The bumping in the mornings was so bad I kept wanting to pull over and check that the tires were not flat. I did not feel safe to have my wife drive the car. I replaced them with Michelin MXV4 tires. Note that I tried to get tires from Mercedes dealer, but they wanted an arm and a leg because they were special order. When I took car to dealer to get alignment the sales guy said yea we do not carry them. I laughed and said that is funny because your sales display there has 4 MXV4 in the size I needed. He looked at me and laughed like I was joking, then he checked. Note that I could have ordered rims with tires preinstalled from Tire Rack for $100 more than Mercedes quoted me for the tires. I also consulted other people I trust and generally the most recommended is the MXV4s and the Harmony from Michelin. BTW the local Mercedes dealer is advertising their great customer service. So it was real funny as I sat their for 30 minutes waiting to give them my keys. The friend giving me the ride said, If they had great customer service they would not need to advertise it. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - My vote is for German made Contis, hands down. I can't find anyplace to buy them anymore. I have several US made Contis on several vehicles with no complaints SO FAR*** Last night, one of the Jokohamas I had on the 300TE came apart on the interstate and cause $2000 damage to the TE. The steel belts and tread came off, flapped around and then flew off. It took out the plastic inner fender liner, broke the front bumper cover, took off the bottom fender trim, bent the rocker and took the paint off the fender, door and hood. The tire had less than 2000 miles. I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are going on. I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles, with never a problem or slipped belt. Keep in mind though, that those were German made Contis. Loren 88 300 TE et al ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question
I'm not quite sure I agree with the brand seeming to be about 95% of the only thing I'm hearing here... You know each brand makes good tires and they make shitty tires. It all depends on which particular model you're talking about. Bridgestone makes Blizzaks which are just plain awesome snow and ice tires. They also make the Potenza model which comes(or did come) stock on a lot of the Subaru's, and I've heard nothing but complaints about them from other Subaru drivers. However, I think there is even a different Potenza model which gets good reviews. It's down to exact model specificness as to what are good tires and which are not. And what you want to get out of them... Levi (: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:55:24 EDT Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:17:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I put Conti's on my 280 and I like the way they feel in the wet and they are so quet even when you run them hard. Yep, lots of choices out there, good and bad Harry and all, I tried the Contis as well, and they rolled true and handled well. I noted that the rolling resistance was much higher than the previous set of Yokohamas , probably costing me 1-2 MPG. I had both sets of tires mounted on identical Bundt MB wheels so I did some coast down comparisons and even used a spring scale to move the car on my flat concrete driveway. There was a significant difference, easily noticeable between the sets of tires. There is currently renewed interest in publishing rolling resistance in tire ratings, this is, of course, because of $3 fuel in the US. To my knowledge, no US magazine has dared to add the rolling resistance test and publish the results. Has anyone found this information in a Euro car mag? They have been dealing with high fuel prices for a long time and should be in the fore front of reporting this info. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know what you mean.My M37 is in need of a set of tires..9.00-16's stock.The 11.00-16's I want are over 400 bucks each. OUCH Mike, Who thinks Philip should just get a new farm truck so he can have a diesel and new tires. - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - rumor has it that Mike wrote: Bet that farm truck could use a set of Geolander MT's.. Mike, Who must think Philip's farm truck needs lot's of tractionlol - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] rumor has it that Loren wrote: But I suspect this is like the pickup truck debate... --Philip, with Yokohama on everything but the farm truck. Oh, it sure would! But it needs 16.5in, load range E - so they would cost more than the whole truck did!!! As much highway driving as that truck sees, I'll probably never replace the tires because of wear. -- Philip, wishing the farm truck had a diesel engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question
Also to be mentioned is where the tires are purchased and at what store. Tires bought in the warmer climates seem to be harder and therefore get less traction. I assume this is to compensate for the hotter conditions the tire must operate under. I have bought General tires from Sam's clubJUNK from the word go. Balance issues and very low treadlife. Bought the same tires from a Christiansen tire and had great luck with them. I askedApparently, just like everything else, the large chains have the manufacturers make them a line of tires to their specs so they can sell them cheaperBuyer beware. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question I'm not quite sure I agree with the brand seeming to be about 95% of the only thing I'm hearing here... You know each brand makes good tires and they make shitty tires. It all depends on which particular model you're talking about. Bridgestone makes Blizzaks which are just plain awesome snow and ice tires. They also make the Potenza model which comes(or did come) stock on a lot of the Subaru's, and I've heard nothing but complaints about them from other Subaru drivers. However, I think there is even a different Potenza model which gets good reviews. It's down to exact model specificness as to what are good tires and which are not. And what you want to get out of them... Levi (: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:55:24 EDT Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:17:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I put Conti's on my 280 and I like the way they feel in the wet and they are so quet even when you run them hard. Yep, lots of choices out there, good and bad Harry and all, I tried the Contis as well, and they rolled true and handled well. I noted that the rolling resistance was much higher than the previous set of Yokohamas , probably costing me 1-2 MPG. I had both sets of tires mounted on identical Bundt MB wheels so I did some coast down comparisons and even used a spring scale to move the car on my flat concrete driveway. There was a significant difference, easily noticeable between the sets of tires. There is currently renewed interest in publishing rolling resistance in tire ratings, this is, of course, because of $3 fuel in the US. To my knowledge, no US magazine has dared to add the rolling resistance test and publish the results. Has anyone found this information in a Euro car mag? They have been dealing with high fuel prices for a long time and should be in the fore front of reporting this info. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question
oh boy, here we ago again. Mike Canfield wrote: Also to be mentioned is where the tires are purchased and at what store. Tires bought in the warmer climates seem to be harder and therefore get less traction. I assume this is to compensate for the hotter conditions the tire must operate under. I have bought General tires from Sam's clubJUNK from the word go. Balance issues and very low treadlife. Bought the same tires from a Christiansen tire and had great luck with them. I askedApparently, just like everything else, the large chains have the manufacturers make them a line of tires to their specs so they can sell them cheaperBuyer beware. Mike - Original Message - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question
How true! I also tried the generals from Sams. Wear fast and slip belts. The goodyear allegra from sams, also in 205/65 15 for the SDL have held up ok. They just cost more than they are worth, and you have to put up with all the Sams BS. Sears, Sams and all such places have lines only sold there, and they don't purchase the Mfgr warranty. The warranty is only good at t the joint you bought them from. They may carry the same brand and type as those available at your friendly local tire store, but they are NOT the same. In general, the big name tires sold retail that are the same sizes as they sell to carmakers are the rejects the carmaker won't take. When dealing with US tiremakers, and I include Bridgerock in that lot, you often get better tires not wearing the big-name brand. Way back when, the snears MIchelins were as good as the Michelins for a lot less money. (They all slipped belts) Not so any more. I have found in the past 2-3 years that i can buy Contis (Contact touring) for less than the price just about anything else available that is a decent tire. (S rated or better) I do not consider the wallyland 29.95 Douglas tires to be decent tires. At 08:47 AM 7/11/2006, you wrote: Apparently, just like everything else, the large chains have the manufacturers make them a line of tires to their specs so they can sell them cheaperBuyer beware.
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Firestone in general are all shit and should be avoided at any coststhey consistently perform at the bottom of the charts in testing against their peers. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
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Loren Faeth wrote: I have found in the past 2-3 years that i can buy Contis (Contact touring) for less than the price just about anything else available that is a decent tire. (S rated or better) I do not consider the wallyland 29.95 Douglas tires to be decent tires. I bought a couple of those Douglas tires last December, seem at least as good as the 5 year old Conti Touring that are on the other two wheels. Have about 40k on the Conti and 5k on the Douglas now.
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It's not about how long they last. It's about how scary they are in the wet. PO put cheapy Douglas tires on my old W123 (probably just to get it to pass inspection so he could sell it), and it would try to swap ends quite often in the rain. Not a good thing. These were relatively new tires. I managed to live with them for about 8000 miles before I replaced them with Khumo 795's. Much more sure footed, and quieter to boot. Not much more expensive either. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 7/11/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: I have found in the past 2-3 years that i can buy Contis (Contact touring) for less than the price just about anything else available that is a decent tire. (S rated or better) I do not consider the wallyland 29.95 Douglas tires to be decent tires. I bought a couple of those Douglas tires last December, seem at least as good as the 5 year old Conti Touring that are on the other two wheels. Have about 40k on the Conti and 5k on the Douglas now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gary Thompson wrote: It's not about how long they last. It's about how scary they are in the wet. I've got the Douglas Xtra-Trac, drove them through a Michigan winter. No traction problems noted, except on ice. Went through a pond twice a day at 50mph for a couple of weeks in March. (I knew where the high ground was, so I only had to go through 1-2 of water most of the time) Have on occasion driven hard in wet and snow with the Xtra-Trac on the front and the Contis on the back, only major disparity noted was the back tires broke loose first in snow, but the Contis have more miles on them so that's not unexpected. Subject vehicle is a 1995 Taurus, all tires 205/65/15. Mitch.
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Thanks for the reminder, Harry, I have Conti's on my 911 and am very happy with them - I believe they're original equipment on the 911 and other Porsche models. And they *do* handle great and are quiet. There certainly are a lot of tire choices!! Choice, fruit from the tree of capitalism. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - Just my 2 cents, don't rule out Continental if you want quietness and good wet weather performance. Then there's BF Goodrich if you want something that lasts, a little noisier, but a darn good tire Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:55:35 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Tires Again - I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I put Conti's on my 280 and I like the way they feel in the wet and they are so quet even when you run them hard. Yep, lots of choices out there, good and bad Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:30:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - Thanks for the reminder, Harry, I have Conti's on my 911 and am very happy with them - I believe they're original equipment on the 911 and other Porsche models. And they *do* handle great and are quiet. There certainly are a lot of tire choices!! Choice, fruit from the tree of capitalism. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - Just my 2 cents, don't rule out Continental if you want quietness and good wet weather performance. Then there's BF Goodrich if you want something that lasts, a little noisier, but a darn good tire Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:55:35 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Tires Again - I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:17:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I put Conti's on my 280 and I like the way they feel in the wet and they are so quet even when you run them hard. Yep, lots of choices out there, good and bad Harry and all, I tried the Contis as well, and they rolled true and handled well. I noted that the rolling resistance was much higher than the previous set of Yokohamas , probably costing me 1-2 MPG. I had both sets of tires mounted on identical Bundt MB wheels so I did some coast down comparisons and even used a spring scale to move the car on my flat concrete driveway. There was a significant difference, easily noticeable between the sets of tires. There is currently renewed interest in publishing rolling resistance in tire ratings, this is, of course, because of $3 fuel in the US. To my knowledge, no US magazine has dared to add the rolling resistance test and publish the results. Has anyone found this information in a Euro car mag? They have been dealing with high fuel prices for a long time and should be in the fore front of reporting this info. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
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Thanks for the reminder, Harry, I have Conti's on my 911 and am very happy with them - I believe they're original equipment on the 911 and other Porsche models. And they *do* handle great and are quiet. There certainly are a lot of tire choices!! Choice, fruit from the tree of capitalism. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . Larry: The Kumho Solus at Sears is a hybrid made for Sears only; last generation carcass w/current tread, IIRC. Mileage warranty is 40k vs. 60k for the current KH16. Also, made in China vs. Korea for every other Kumho I've bought. While I've not had these on a Mercedes, I've bought a total of 22 for our cars ranging from a Taurus, Volvo wagon and Passat. Most were Ecsta KH-something, which was replaced by the KH16 about a year ago. Most of my tires have come from Tire Rack, but with the hassle of arranging mounting and balancing locally. Tony Wirtel 300e, others
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My vote is for German made Contis, hands down. I can't find anyplace to buy them anymore. I have several US made Contis on several vehicles with no complaints SO FAR*** Last night, one of the Jokohamas I had on the 300TE came apart on the interstate and cause $2000 damage to the TE. The steel belts and tread came off, flapped around and then flew off. It took out the plastic inner fender liner, broke the front bumper cover, took off the bottom fender trim, bent the rocker and took the paint off the fender, door and hood. The tire had less than 2000 miles. I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are going on. I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles, with never a problem or slipped belt. Keep in mind though, that those were German made Contis. Loren 88 300 TE et al
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I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ .
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I've had great experience with Kuhmo's. Never tried the Falken or Sumitomo. Personally, I'd just order the Kuhmo's from tirerack and then have Sears install them (assuming you like Sears over some other place for some reason). Levi (: On 7/9/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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- Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - I've had great experience with Kuhmo's. Never tried the Falken or Sumitomo. Personally, I'd just order the Kuhmo's from tirerack and then have Sears install them (assuming you like Sears over some other place for some reason). Levi (: On 7/9/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We put Falkens on the wife's '98 Mustang after she wore out the Eagle GTs. They performed just as well and lasted a heck of a lot longer. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 156K '01 VW Beetle TDI 66K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again - I've had great experience with Kuhmo's. Never tried the Falken or Sumitomo. Personally, I'd just order the Kuhmo's from tirerack and then have Sears install them (assuming you like Sears over some other place for some reason). Levi (: On 7/9/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In a message dated 7/9/2006 5:57:57 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) Larry, For my 79 300SD, I got my Falkens at Sears and their price was very competitive when on sale. I have the ZIEX 225/60 X 14 and it is H rated. Unfortunately, they are wearing fast and may not make 20K, this on a 50K warranty. I have been very careful with tire pressures, preferring to run them on the hard side of the range. Wear is even across the tread, and handling is very good. Their service has been good, with free rotations and balancing, so I am sure they will prorate the tires towards new ones. In addition, I have a vibration which is likely the beginning of a tread separation. They have checked the car twice and have not confirmed the problem. I also have Kuhmos 716s on my 95 Mustang. They also are H rated and are sized 225/60 X 15. Two of the tires suffered sidewall damage due to freeway road debris, and were unrepairable. These tires turn in very sharply and on the Mustang this translates into great handling. They seem to be wearing well and will probably go 40K at least Rain is NOT our best subject here in Phoenix. In my limited wet driving, I think the Kuhmos might be a bit slippery, though. I run Michelins on my ML, My Eldorado, and my Bravada. They ARE the best and will likely rot away before the tread wears out. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
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Goodyear Assurance. I've always bought Michelins as this is the gospel and i'm prone to religious faith, but my neighbor is a goodyear dealer and sold me these at cost, assuring they were better than any michelin They are really, really good, certainly a lot better than the michelin symmetrys i could have bought for the same money. On 7/9/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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my kuhmo experience hasn't been all that great. i guess they are best of the cheap tires, but being better than the pep boys specials is anything to rave about On 7/9/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had great experience with Kuhmo's. Never tried the Falken or Sumitomo. Personally, I'd just order the Kuhmo's from tirerack and then have Sears install them (assuming you like Sears over some other place for some reason). Levi (: On 7/9/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon. I'm also looking at Sumitomo and Falken. Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we normally run Michelins on it. I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is even the worst tires will likely never see the max dry weather performance but wet weather can sneak up on us - anyway - Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or Kuhmo in a street application? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
