Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Ned, Thanks for the confirmation! Just found your reply in my spam filter, along with a few others... -Max From: ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 10:19:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Max, I'm on my second '95 E300D and I believe these things seem to take a while to warm up. My old 300 TD, a naturally aspirated 123, always automatically started the heater blower at the same spot less than 1.5 miles from my house, at any OAT (outdoor air temp). On the other hand, these NA 606's take at least 3 or 4 miles before the temp gauge rises enough to audibly kick up the fan. Even with a brand new water pump and thermostat. Ned ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
you have to get one of the blinking light tools from ebay, or build your own. On 2/8/2011 10:27 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Really! I'd love to be able to pull codes for the HVAC, if that is indeed possible. If you know how, please share! -Max From: Peter Frederickpsf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:22:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Most likely a bad temperature sensor thermistor or a bad connection of the PBCU -- I need to resolder the one in my mom's TE. I think the connections at the large connectors on the sides have cracked, as I get constant clicking from the vacuum control solenoid as it switches modes. You should be able to pull trouble codes from a 95. Peter -Original Message- From: Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Thanks Peter. Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant temperature, so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future. The fan also seems to go to high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit. -Max From: Peter Frederickpsf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? That is my experience as well. Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear about a mile and a half from the house. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3428 - Release Date: 02/07/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3432 - Release Date: 02/09/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
The difference is quite simple. The 87 is turbo the 95 is not. The turbo is a very efficient heat pump. -Rolf On 02/07/2011 07:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Thanks to Curt and Loren for their inputs. Tonight I timed the warm-up, and it was about 4 minutes once I left work at ambient temperature of about 50 degrees. When it was below freezing earlier this winter, it took longer but I think 10 minutes is an exaggeration. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:38 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Rolf, Yes, I think I'm beginning to understand now that what I'm observing is normal. Thanks, Max From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 1:06:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? The difference is quite simple. The 87 is turbo the 95 is not. The turbo is a very efficient heat pump. -Rolf On 02/07/2011 07:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Thanks to Curt and Loren for their inputs. Tonight I timed the warm-up, and it was about 4 minutes once I left work at ambient temperature of about 50 degrees. When it was below freezing earlier this winter, it took longer but I think 10 minutes is an exaggeration. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:38 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Usually on a cold morning as soon as I'm moving I will keep it in the 3k range just to get it warmed up quickly. -Rolf On 02/09/2011 03:09 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Rolf, Yes, I think I'm beginning to understand now that what I'm observing is normal. Thanks, Max From: Rolfr...@winmutt.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 1:06:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? The difference is quite simple. The 87 is turbo the 95 is not. The turbo is a very efficient heat pump. -Rolf On 02/07/2011 07:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Thanks to Curt and Loren for their inputs. Tonight I timed the warm-up, and it was about 4 minutes once I left work at ambient temperature of about 50 degrees. When it was below freezing earlier this winter, it took longer but I think 10 minutes is an exaggeration. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:38 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
So we're talking about the data port under the hood next to the battery? No money for buying more tools now, I tapped out that well last fall with my suspension work. Maybe closer to summer when AC becomes a requirement... -max From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 12:09:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? you have to get one of the blinking light tools from ebay, or build your own. On 2/8/2011 10:27 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Really! I'd love to be able to pull codes for the HVAC, if that is indeed possible. If you know how, please share! -Max From: Peter Frederickpsf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:22:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Most likely a bad temperature sensor thermistor or a bad connection of the PBCU -- I need to resolder the one in my mom's TE. I think the connections at the large connectors on the sides have cracked, as I get constant clicking from the vacuum control solenoid as it switches modes. You should be able to pull trouble codes from a 95. Peter -Original Message- From: Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Thanks Peter. Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant temperature, so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future. The fan also seems to go to high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit. -Max From: Peter Frederickpsf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? That is my experience as well. Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear about a mile and a half from the house. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3428 - Release Date: 02/07/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3432 - Release Date: 02/09/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
yep On 2/9/2011 11:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: So we're talking about the data port under the hood next to the battery? No money for buying more tools now, I tapped out that well last fall with my suspension work. Maybe closer to summer when AC becomes a requirement... -max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3432 - Release Date: 02/09/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
The fan probably needs to oiled (M1) if you can hear it a mile and a half from your house. :) hehe. Mike Sent from my iPad On Feb 7, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: That is my experience as well. Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear about a mile and a half from the house. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
It does need to be replaced, but what I was saying is that it blows hard enough to hear, meaning the heater air temp is higher than that inside the car. 4 miles is a bit long, I'd check to make sure the aux pump is running to circulate water to the heater core. If it is not, it takes a long, long time to heat up, in spite of the fact that the engine temp comes up faster than that. Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Esh michael...@me.com Sent: Feb 8, 2011 7:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? The fan probably needs to oiled (M1) if you can hear it a mile and a half from your house. :) hehe. Mike Sent from my iPad On Feb 7, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: That is my experience as well. Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear about a mile and a half from the house. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
As in coolant circulating pump? Yes. My question arises due to the difference in engine temperature (gauge) behavior, not in how quickly heat is produced in the passenger compartment. I'm suspicious of my t-stat, but I'd like confirmation from some other owners that long warm-up compared to a OM603 turbo is normal. -Max From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 10:11:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Does it have an auxiliary pump like a 123? Gerry From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I know the OM603 is slower to warm up than the iron head Diesels. It is because the engine is more thermally efficient. It might make sense that the 606 takes a little longer. But those with 606s are in a better position to answer. I've never driven one. x Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Thanks Peter. Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant temperature, so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future. The fan also seems to go to high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit. -Max From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? That is my experience as well. Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear about a mile and a half from the house. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Not only do they warm up slowly, but if you get stuck sitting somewhere (like for a slow train crossing) in bitter cold weather, they will cool off while you are stopped! A bad t-stat usually shows up as an engine that never gets up to operating temp in the winter (80C). My first 300D had a bad one, ran fine in the summer, but once fall got here, the temp would never get up to 80. Peter -Original Message- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Feb 8, 2011 9:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? As in coolant circulating pump? Yes. My question arises due to the difference in engine temperature (gauge) behavior, not in how quickly heat is produced in the passenger compartment. I'm suspicious of my t-stat, but I'd like confirmation from some other owners that long warm-up compared to a OM603 turbo is normal. -Max From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 10:11:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Does it have an auxiliary pump like a 123? Gerry From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I know the OM603 is slower to warm up than the iron head Diesels. It is because the engine is more thermally efficient. It might make sense that the 606 takes a little longer. But those with 606s are in a better position to answer. I've never driven one. x Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Most likely a bad temperature sensor thermistor or a bad connection of the PBCU -- I need to resolder the one in my mom's TE. I think the connections at the large connectors on the sides have cracked, as I get constant clicking from the vacuum control solenoid as it switches modes. You should be able to pull trouble codes from a 95. Peter -Original Message- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Thanks Peter. Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant temperature, so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future. The fan also seems to go to high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit. -Max From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? That is my experience as well. Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear about a mile and a half from the house. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Thanks Peter - if you're seeing similar behavior with you OM606 then I feel better. I've got plenty of other parts I need to change, don't need to add to the list... -Max From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:20:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Not only do they warm up slowly, but if you get stuck sitting somewhere (like for a slow train crossing) in bitter cold weather, they will cool off while you are stopped! A bad t-stat usually shows up as an engine that never gets up to operating temp in the winter (80C). My first 300D had a bad one, ran fine in the summer, but once fall got here, the temp would never get up to 80. Peter -Original Message- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Feb 8, 2011 9:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? As in coolant circulating pump? Yes. My question arises due to the difference in engine temperature (gauge) behavior, not in how quickly heat is produced in the passenger compartment. I'm suspicious of my t-stat, but I'd like confirmation from some other owners that long warm-up compared to a OM603 turbo is normal. -Max From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 10:11:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Does it have an auxiliary pump like a 123? Gerry From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I know the OM603 is slower to warm up than the iron head Diesels. It is because the engine is more thermally efficient. It might make sense that the 606 takes a little longer. But those with 606s are in a better position to answer. I've never driven one. x Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Really! I'd love to be able to pull codes for the HVAC, if that is indeed possible. If you know how, please share! -Max From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:22:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Most likely a bad temperature sensor thermistor or a bad connection of the PBCU -- I need to resolder the one in my mom's TE. I think the connections at the large connectors on the sides have cracked, as I get constant clicking from the vacuum control solenoid as it switches modes. You should be able to pull trouble codes from a 95. Peter -Original Message- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Thanks Peter. Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant temperature, so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future. The fan also seems to go to high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit. -Max From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? That is my experience as well. Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear about a mile and a half from the house. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Mine's a 603, 87 300D, but you can pull basic codes from the code reader socket. I believe there is a procedure using the front panel on the later models, but I'm not sure if that applies to W210 and later only or later model W124s. Peter -Original Message- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Really! I'd love to be able to pull codes for the HVAC, if that is indeed possible. If you know how, please share! -Max From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:22:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Most likely a bad temperature sensor thermistor or a bad connection of the PBCU -- I need to resolder the one in my mom's TE. I think the connections at the large connectors on the sides have cracked, as I get constant clicking from the vacuum control solenoid as it switches modes. You should be able to pull trouble codes from a 95. Peter -Original Message- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Thanks Peter. Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant temperature, so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future. The fan also seems to go to high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit. -Max From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? That is my experience as well. Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear about a mile and a half from the house. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
I know the OM603 is slower to warm up than the iron head Diesels. It is because the engine is more thermally efficient. It might make sense that the 606 takes a little longer. But those with 606s are in a better position to answer. I've never driven one. x Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
I don't have a lot of experience with turbo diesels but I don't think that my NA diesels (2x 240D, 2x 190D) take particularly long to warm up. In fact compared to my gas vehicles ( Dodge Dakota V8, Ford Ranger v6, GMC S15 v6) I think the NA diesels warm up faster... I figure on having heat by the time I hit the center of town when its above freezing, thats about 1 mile or 2.5 minutes after first starting the car in the morning. If its below freezing I'd figure on about twice that distance. Thats not full heat mind you but I figure the heater starts to do something about the time the temp needle rises off the peg. Overall I think 123 cars have slightly better heat than 201, I don't know what the factor is that makes that true but I seem to get warm sooner. That said my current 190D has working ACC and I do like the set it and forget it nature of the temp wheel vs the manual in the 240D. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Message-ID: 300292.87957...@web180008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Thanks to Curt and Loren for their inputs. Tonight I timed the warm-up, and it was about 4 minutes once I left work at ambient temperature of about 50 degrees. When it was below freezing earlier this winter, it took longer but I think 10 minutes is an exaggeration. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:38 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp? Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Max, I'm on my second '95 E300D and I believe these things seem to take a while to warm up. My old 300 TD, a naturally aspirated 123, always automatically started the heater blower at the same spot less than 1.5 miles from my house, at any OAT (outdoor air temp). On the other hand, these NA 606's take at least 3 or 4 miles before the temp gauge rises enough to audibly kick up the fan. Even with a brand new water pump and thermostat. Ned ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
That is my experience as well. Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear about a mile and a half from the house. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
Does it have an auxiliary pump like a 123? Gerry From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I know the OM603 is slower to warm up than the iron head Diesels. It is because the engine is more thermally efficient. It might make sense that the 606 takes a little longer. But those with 606s are in a better position to answer. I've never driven one. x Dieselvolk, I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the big issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up (compared to my '87 300TD for instance). I'd like to know if anyone else with an E300 (or a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines need more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ degrees C. When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my '87, and longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe with each generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more time to warm up? Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for opening and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the t-stat installation. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 333k miles '95 E300 278k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
