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on 3/10/07 17:05, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: illegals and incorrigibles roam the streets with impunity as the government workers stand helpless at the donut shop while a trail of blood is left and you guys worry about whether some ancient dude who burns veggie is getting over on you for a couple of bucks on his fair share of paying for the road As someone else used to say, NAIL HEAD BANG. This reminds me of people defending used tire disposal fees, which mostly go to anything but exploring tire recycling methodologies. And NO ONE picked up the irony of a Canadian arguing against gummermint intrusions while a bunch of Americans defend it. That, as they say in the commercials is priceless. Plant a tree to mark the spot, etc. What next, the Swiss invade Spain? Mac
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on 3/10/07 15:27, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rail is MUCH cheaper and you don't have to drive the train Yeah, and it's been in decline ever since GM got out of the locomotive business and got into fleet buses big-time, hence the campaign in the 60s to scrap streetcars all over North America. Here in Canada we lost our truly national passenger rail system back in the 80s. By amazing coincidence, the prime minister at the time had close (cough) ties with Power Corp., which coincidentally at that time controlled the Canadian equivalent of Greyhound Lines. With the current trends in diesel prices, however, the final irony is that in some cases you can now travel by rail cheaper than by bus. The problem that we no longer have passenger rail service outside the busiest traffic corridors. Mac
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Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've spent the last few months traveling the busiest rail corridor in the US every couple weeks. The Accella express is pretty amazing, although I was less than impressed on Tuesday when several of the doors were frozen shut and dumbass rail employees left us waiting 10 minutes while they tried to open the doors rather than directing us to the doors that opened correctly... The three times I've taken Amtrack it was nothing less than total incompetence on display. From broken down equipment, lost luggage, a first class compartment that would not stay below about 90 degrees F, a disaster each and every time. Never again. Three strikes and yer out. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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The federal Gv't gives an exemption of 400 gallons per quarter to homebrew biodiesel people. There are a handful of states that do this also. On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:10:22 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The purpose of road fuel taxes is to fund roads and transit systems. As long as you don't use the roads - you shouldn't have to pay road fuel taxes (and as far as I can tell - it's NOT required). When you make your own fuel, you still need to pay to use the roads! If you don't pay for the roads - WHO SHOULD pay for them? Marshall -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) head case? '83 300SD (242 kmi) for sale '82 300CD (163 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine '85 300D (280,176) parts car
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ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the current regulatory hurdle here has to do with actually getting the oil itself; you're supposed to be licensed to handle used Veggie Oil, as it's listed as a Hazardous Substance (watch those French Fries!), and technically can only be handled by a licensed authority! This is no doubt to prevent fly-by-nighters from removing old oil from restaurants and dumping it down the nearest storm drain. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If all road fuel and other road related income (tolls) were spent on roads, there would be an absolute EXPLOSION in road and bridge building. This is what is happening in Missouri. Actually, they are paving roads that don't even need paved becuase they HAVE to spend road income on roads. Really? Guess they didn't consider cutting the tax? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt I once lived in the great state of SillyNoise for a year. Makes Taxachewsetts and Commiefornia look reasonable by comparison. The whole political scene is dominated by the same idiots in Chicago who put Daleys in the mayors office and Carol Moseley Braun in the Senate. They seem to WANT the government to interfere with everything their neighbors do, and are willing to put up with the same happening to them as long as they can watch it happen to everybody else. Mitch.
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The purpose of road fuel taxes is to fund roads and transit systems. As long as you don't use the roads - you shouldn't have to pay road fuel taxes (and as far as I can tell - it's NOT required). When you make your own fuel, you still need to pay to use the roads! If you don't pay for the roads - WHO SHOULD pay for them? Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The purpose of road fuel tax is to generate more income for the state. It IS NOT REQUIRED OF ANY STATE EXCEPT MISSOURI that road fuel taxes be spent on roads, bridges, etc. Your road fuel taxes probably pay the salaries of the governor's housekeeping staff. If all road fuel and other road related income (tolls) were spent on roads, there would be an absolute EXPLOSION in road and bridge building. This is what is happening in Missouri. Actually, they are paving roads that don't even need paved becuase they HAVE to spend road income on roads. The point - if road money were all spent on roads, we'd have a much beeter infrastructure and much lower road fuel taxes/tolls. Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The purpose of road fuel taxes is to fund roads and transit systems. As long as you don't use the roads - you shouldn't have to pay road fuel taxes (and as far as I can tell - it's NOT required). When you make your own fuel, you still need to pay to use the roads! If you don't pay for the roads - WHO SHOULD pay for them? Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Mar 10 19:26:28 2007 Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net ([204.127.192.85]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HQ7D2-0007IA-MC for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:26:28 + Received: from [192.168.1.6] (c-71-199-114-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.199.114.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with ESMTP id 20070310192621m15002c30pe; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:26:22 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:26:18 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Latest oil analysis X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:26:29 - Curt Raymond wrote: So I just got the latest oil analysis report on my 190D. If you remember on previous reports I was seeing elevated levels of iron that were making Larry say the rings were wearing and the car was in trouble. Historically by 7000 miles the iron would be above the 100ppm limit that causes the report to slip into abnormal. Well today at 8602 miles iron is still at 72ppm. Sodium is lower than in previous reports, so is Potassium, molybdenum, and boron. The PO told me he used conventional oil changed at 5,000 miles. I don't remember if he told me what brand he used but based on his other shoddy maintenance I bet it was the cheapest oil the could get and I bet he didn't replace the filter at every oil change. My theory is that the oil had gunk buildup in it and the Mobil 1 is slowly cleaning it out (very slowly its been like 30,000 miles... Another point is that after about the first 8,000 miles oil consumption rose to about a quart in 10,000 miles. Its slowly falling again, I think this is the typical seals getting cleaned out and rejuvenated. It was about 40kmi before Mobil/Delvac 1 completely cleaned out one of my engines and allowed the rings and lifters to reseat. Once it was cleaned out, I used about a qt in 6-8kmi and oil pressure was about 1.8 bar at hot idle. Lifter clatter was seldom present unless the engine sat unused for several days, then they would sometime clatter until he engine was well warmed up. The engine would start reliably on the first or second compression stroke down to 10 below zero (F) without using the block heater. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint
In most states, road taxes do not supply sufficient moniey for maintenance, let alone construction. FEDERAL highway/fuel taxes are used for construction only, with the famous 90/10 split federal/state money. The result is a vast interstate system in very poor repair. To properly maintain roads, and build decent ones instead of the crap we get usually, would take a couple dollars a gallon - rail is MUCH cheaper and you don't have to drive the train Peter
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gotta love you guys illegals and incorrigibles roam the streets with impunity as the government workers stand helpless at the donut shop while a trail of blood is left and you guys worry about whether some ancient dude who burns veggie is getting over on you for a couple of bucks on his fair share of paying for the road of course, if it was just about paying his share, as was suggested, they could have just sent him a bill. so what are they up to after all? perhaps trying to put a little fear in the hearts of anyone who dares cross the oil companies? perhaps just trying to instill fear in general? my thought would be to put a towel on his head, claim the veggie oil is a weapon of mass destruction and torture him as an insurgent. and i suggest that you are naive if you don't think that if your government felt they could get away with that, they would. and what they can do they won't. is this a political rant, kleb? On 3/10/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The purpose of road fuel taxes is to fund roads and transit systems. As long as you don't use the roads - you shouldn't have to pay road fuel taxes (and as far as I can tell - it's NOT required). When you make your own fuel, you still need to pay to use the roads! If you don't pay for the roads - WHO SHOULD pay for them? Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Let me propose an alternate title for this item: When public servants have too much time on their hands OR When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax That is truly pathetic, one has to assume someone resented someone else actually taking a (cheap) alternative fuel initiative and ratted him out. The state sending out a tax inspector on the public dime is no less pathetic. I had the same reaction when the Government of Canada sent not one, but TWO, law enforcement officers (a customs investigator an RCMP constable) to my house, all on account of me trying to import $26 worth of a health supplement not approved for sale in Canada, via mail order. Okay, I get two suits (combined annual gross, over $140k I would imagine) to lecture me at my front door (no, you can't come in) over $26 worth of a pretty much harmless substance. Keeeriiist. Mac on 3/9/07 14:48, Rich Thomas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I'm a geezer I think I want to be like this guy. Maybe we'll collect a bunch of guns and make the stuff in a compound lighted with 12V LEDs driven by veggie oil diesel generators lubricated with Delo or Mobil1 (proper blend to be determined), with Apple Pismos as our computers, and when the gummint comes, well, look out! --R 79 year old veggie oil maker David Wetzel, 79, makes his own fuel from recycled vegetable oil for his 1986 Volkswagen Golf, gets 46 miles per gallon - pretty neat huh? Well, the Illinois Department of Revenue visited and want him to pay a motor fuel tax (retroactively) and he might be hit with a $2,500 bond, a class 3 felony and a lot of other awful stuff - or it might just end up being $244 in taxes for the fuel he made. State makes big fuss over local couple's vegetable oil car fuel, Thanks NovySan! - Link. http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/03/79_year_old_veggie_oil_ma.html?CM P=OTC-0D6B48984890 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Why should he get to use the roads for free just because he burns vegetable oil in his Golf? Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT worth going after, but on principal Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me propose an alternate title for this item: When public servants have too much time on their hands OR When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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I suggest the issue is not so much using the roads for free as it is being singled out for such treatment. If the Govt wishes to concern itself with such then it needs to make a clear policy statment so that everyone knows where they stand. I hope that is not coming soon with alternate energy sources but I suppose some day it will. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint Why should he get to use the roads for free just because he burns vegetable oil in his Golf? Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT worth going after, but on principal Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me propose an alternate title for this item: When public servants have too much time on their hands OR When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i only know of one state where fuel taxes must be spent on roads - Missouri, by constitutional amendment. His other taxes pay for the roads he uses. His fuel taxes probably pay for high school condom distribution. Chris Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should he get to use the roads for free just because he burns vegetable oil in his Golf? Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT worth going after, but on principal Steve MacSween writes: Let me propose an alternate title for this item: When public servants have too much time on their hands OR When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, happy customer of austerlitzshepherds.com Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht! -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz. -1985 300SD, 220K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 09 21:51:47 2007 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.186]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HPn07-000158-Dt for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:51:47 + Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout16/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l29LpuFk019959 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (ip70-176-192-168.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.192.168]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l29Lpr4t021747 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:51:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:51:53 -0700 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:51:47 - Just a thought. If we all drove cars that get 50-60 mpg of whatever fuel and halved the road tax revenue, what's the next step? Double the road/fuel tax? If I read the article correctly, the Geezer w/the Golf was willing to pay the $244 outstanding road tax. Why not just send a letter? Absolutely no need to send the militia! From another Geezer... Not making bio, just buying gas! Price here in AZ went up $0.21/gal in last 10 days. Now $2.73 for premium. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Mar 9, 2007, at 1:27 PM, R A Bennell wrote: I suggest the issue is not so much using the roads for free as it is being singled out for such treatment. If the Govt wishes to concern itself with such then it needs to make a clear policy statment so that everyone knows where they stand. I hope that is not coming soon with alternate energy sources but I suppose some day it will.
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in California, i believe a small amount of BioD is allowed to be made for personal use (allegedly to encourage the use of non-petroleum fuels). beyond that, you're invited to list it as part of your regular tax return,... the current regulatory hurdle here has to do with actually getting the oil itself; you're supposed to be licensed to handle used Veggie Oil, as it's listed as a Hazardous Substance (watch those French Fries!), and technically can only be handled by a licensed authority! cheers! e Allan Streib wrote: Why should he get to use the roads for free just because he burns vegetable oil in his Golf? Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT worth going after, but on principal Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me propose an alternate title for this item: When public servants have too much time on their hands OR When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax Allan
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There is a clear policy, that motor fuels are taxed. Avoiding that tax might be tempting, but it is pretty clear that whatever fuel you put in a vehicle on public roads, needs to have a tax paid on that fuel. The Government will also respond unfavorably to the user who puts #2 home heating fuel in their car/truck. They have been known to stop vehicles on the road and check the fuel in the tank - if its red, you're busted. Fuels used for home heating, farm use, generators, etc., are not taxed as motor fuels. So home brew all the french fry oil you want for those uses! Werner - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint I suggest the issue is not so much using the roads for free as it is being singled out for such treatment. If the Govt wishes to concern itself with such then it needs to make a clear policy statment so that everyone knows where they stand. I hope that is not coming soon with alternate energy sources but I suppose some day it will. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint Why should he get to use the roads for free just because he burns vegetable oil in his Golf? Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT worth going after, but on principal Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me propose an alternate title for this item: When public servants have too much time on their hands OR When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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Right on, Chuck - but you're still getting cheap gas in relation to a lot of places. Here in South Jersey, Diesel fuel is again less expensive than regular,as of this week. Paid $2.37on Tuesday, regular gas was $2.40! I don't even bother to look at higher octane gas, as my lawn tractor and F-150 only use regular Werner - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint Just a thought. If we all drove cars that get 50-60 mpg of whatever fuel and halved the road tax revenue, what's the next step? Double the road/fuel tax? If I read the article correctly, the Geezer w/the Golf was willing to pay the $244 outstanding road tax. Why not just send a letter? Absolutely no need to send the militia! From another Geezer... Not making bio, just buying gas! Price here in AZ went up $0.21/gal in last 10 days. Now $2.73 for premium. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ
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The gummint ought to make it like homebrew beer -- you can make some amount a year (200 gal?) without being taxed. After all, we're contributing to all manner of good things when we brew beer, oops, I mean biodiesel. --R (fixin to make a batch of rangpur lime 'ritas here in a minute, crack a homebrew too, and have some good Texas Q!)
